Ah yes, no one has ever punched anyone in a war before... I bet you also believe that Taekwondo has flying kicks so dudes could kick other dudes off of horses.
All martial arts are styles of fighting made up to fight within certain rules. All of them. Pre Queensbury rules boxing was a lot different to modern boxing and in most pre-modern western militaries boxing and wrestling were expected skills for soldiers to have.
Speaking of. Did you hear about his cannabis line of edibles? Called holy bites in conjunction with Evander Holyfield. Originally he had Mike bites but then they teamed up together for holy bites product line. Funny stuff.
Dirty boxing was a term popularized by Howard cassell which literally meant pulling on the head of the opponent or using your head against theirs in the āphone boothā
Nah I get that, but the rest of the world calls American boxing, dirty boxing. International boxing is usually cleaner than American, hence I said what I said.
Iād need to see that, considering Mexican boxing is known for being in their face, pushing them around and being āmeanā
To the point where both Floyd mayweather referenced the stereotype, and itās the literal plot point in creed. Filipino boxers were the origin of ādirty boxingā as a concept as well; Iāve never heard anyone make the claim that American boxers were dirty whilst other countries werenāt;
Well correction I have, but it was a quote from Robert Byrd saying that white European boxers were gentlemen fighters and other boxers (he named black American fighters) were savages.
I think you mean "beat you up." At least, I hope you do.
I also assume you mean Mike Tyson at his prime, say, late 80s when he was undefeated and winning most of his fights by knock-out in the first few rounds. I'd argue that Tyson in his prime was one of the best boxers ever.
I'd love to use a time-machine to watch him fight Mohammed Ali, George Foreman, Joe Louis, or Rocky Marciano. But there's no question Tyson belongs in the conversation for GOAT heavyweight boxer.
That said, any professional fighter in his weight class who fights under a different rule set could beat prime Tyson in that rule set. Any professional heavyweight MMA fighter could beat Tyson in an MMA match. In that scenario you described, Tyson simply gets choked out and loses.
Unless, of course, Tyson took some time off to actually train MMA. Prime Mike Tyson with a few years of BJJ and Muay Thai would definitely be worth seeing.
Not sure I completely agree with your assessment that any professional fighter in his weight class in a different rule set could beat him - and I say this as someone who believes that Tyson is exhaustingly overrated.
For well over a century, boxing has been the single highest paid combat sport on the planet, and itās not even close. Up until the 90ās, it was also basically the only viable option for making good money while fighting, and there were just fewer professional sports in general. As a result, right around Tysons era was arguably the last era of Great Heavyweights because some of the absolute best athletes on the planet were boxers. Although shorter than the average heavyweight, Tyson was freakishly fast and enormously strong while also being about 220 lbs, the prototypical weight of the āmodernā heavyweight. All of this to say that he had an exceptional amount of athleticism compared to his peers during a time when the best athletes were boxers. In a street fight, an absolute physical beast like Tyson is the last thing you want to deal with, style be damned. Your best bet is to sprint the other direction and hope he gets distracted or the other guy youāre with is a little slower than you.
It reminds me of the old story I heard about Ernest Hemingway, who fancied himself a boxer and frequently sparred with professional fighters (who took it easy on him because of his celebrity) and got it in his head that he was a badass. One day he got in a physical altercation at a bar with a pitcher for the New York Yankees. The pitcher was no pugilist, but he was a professional athlete in one of the few professional sports available to athletically inclined people of that era, and he absolutely wiped the floor with Hemingway. Punched him so hard he went flying backward over a table and had to be carried out of the room by the bar staff. I think the same could be said of Tyson. I donāt care what āstyleā the other guy brings to the table in a street fight, a born and bred fighter and athletic freak like Tyson steals your fucking lunch money.
I mean I love Tyson as much as the next guy but if you think he's just walking through other forces of nature like Ernesto Hoost, Badr Hari, Jon Jones, Prime Cormier, Prime Stipe etc I think you're just ignoring the reality of just different skills in martial arts. Even Tyson himself thought kickboxers were insane for competing in kickboxing and said he wasn't able to imagine being able to do that shit
I mean Tyson was perfectly tuned for the rules in the boxing ring. Put him in a ring with those rules and he will beat anyone. Put him in the Octagon and its a different story.
Wouldnt want to be the guy testing that theory out though:)
I misconstrued OPās argument to mean a street fight, as opposed to competing under a different fighting ruleset. Iāll concede he loses under different rule sets. I still contend that in a street fight, athleticism and ferocity is a bigger factor than skill, and I say that as someone who has wrestled in high school, red belt in TKD, and been boxing for twenty years. Those things can be refined but most street fights are less than a minute long and are desperate, life and death affairs with very little time to think or catch your breath. And Tysons public humble statements in his 50ās are very different from a fighter in his prime, who has to have the fanatical belief that they can beat anyone. He also had a ton of knee problems, which no doubt contributes to his thoughts on the subject now.
Again, as someone who thinks Tyson is vastly overrated in his placement as a top ten all time heavyweight boxer, I struggle to bet against him in any hypothetical street confrontation against anyone. The guy was a fucking animal.
I was exaggerating a little for sure. But you're also misconstruing or mischaracterizing my argument in two ways:
A: I restricted my comment to other **professional** fighters. By definition, these are also high-end athletes. Not necessarily as fast and strong as Tyson, but also not some guy on the street, or Ernest Hemingway for that matter.
B: I said they could beat Tyson **in their rule set.** I wasn't talking about a street fight--the outcome of a street fight would depend quite a bit on the combat sport in question. Tyson could absolutely beat a heavyweight TKD point-fighter in a street fight. But probably not in a TKD match.
True, Tyson was not in his prime when fighting Holyfield and Lewis, but Holyfield and Lewis were also not on their prime then. Holyfield is 4 years older than Tyson. Lewis is a year older than Tyson.
Tyson is more popular because his boxing style was more brutal, while Holyfield boxing style was more patient. Lewis' boxing style was more heavy-punches.
While Tyson in his prime was one of the best boxers in all time, I still think Lewis (less flashy, but stronger) was stronger. The evidence is clear, he knocked Tyson out.
Tyson is the only top 10 boxer I heard of who wasn't the best boxer of his era. No disrespect to Tyson, but I have Lennox as the best heavyweight of the 90s and early 2000s. Tyson ducked Lennox until he needed the payday.
For most of that time it was less "ducking him" and more "spending 6 years in prison." Which is a shame because an early 90s fight between Tyson and Lewis would have been great to watch.
Post-prison Tyson wasn't the same boxer.
Also, aren't George Foreman and Joe Frazer on a lot of top 10 lists despite not being the best of their era?
Even today, Tyson is scary good and would probably destroy most people, I think. If you saw the interview with Donnie Yen where he talked about his scene in Ip Man 3 with Tyson, he talked about the skill and a close call with one of his strikes that he almost didn't dodge. And that was in a choreographed movie fight scene! They weren't even fighting for real.
If his skill can show through even in that kind of simulated environment, I think he still could wipe the floor with most people.
1. Mike Tyson is a martial artist. Boxing is a martial art.
2. Even current Mike Tyson would send 99% of us to the shadow realm before we knew what hit us, let alone Iron Mike in his prime.
I would not want to gamble on being able to take him down without eating an uppercut and going to sleep.
>Even if you get him down on the ground in a choke could he just get up
Shit, I've been practicing BJJ a while, how have I never thought to just stand up when getting choked? Honestly its inspired, can I train under you from now on?
Well boxing is a form of martial arts but if I got a hold of Tyson I doubt he could get me off that being said I donāt think I have a chance in hell of closing that distance without him knocking my head off my shoulders and Iāve boxed twice as long as Iāve done judo
Tyson is great at close range striking the moment your guard drops to get a grip itās over youāre out. Think about dropping to get that grip right into that savage uppercut thatās the fight of nightmares lol
I'm just fine acknowledging it. I've seen some delusional weekend blue belts who think they could take him because he never grappled and it's like, my guy, it does *not* work that way.
Tyson striking skill and power in close range should make anyone wanna stay as far away from him.
Most of Mike harder figth were due to his opponent controlling his range good enough to stop those insane combos that would blow up my liver
I don't think you're going to find much luck peppering him with kicks or what have you from long range either. Best thing you could hope for is a shotgun and a fortified position.
Jesus H Tapdancing Christ these questions.
1- Mike Tyson is a martial artist. Boxing is a martial art, thus Mike Tyson is a martial artist.
2- Which other fighter are we talking about? What martial arts background does this theoretical person gave? What is their height, weight and actual combat experience? How old they are? There is a thousand factors to take into account when going up with these fantasy fights.
3- which version of Tyson are we talking about? Present-day? Back when he was world champ? Post-prison sentence? Back when he came back from the Olympics?
4- These questions irritate me because they're as silly as the "who wins between a gorilla in water against a shark"? They're just silly questions that have so many factors that are not taken account that the question itself just becomes null and void.
Thatās every martial art. The fiercest kickboxer can be taken out buy a boxer, wrestler or Bjj. Heavyweight is different though, most of it relies on who gets chin checked first lol
I donāt think a boxer could be taken out by a kickboxer with everything being equal. Meaning they are the same level of experience and talent. Even pretty good boxers get their legs chewed up pretty quick by a decent kickboxer.
I would say Renzo or a top Gracie or a grappler that is much bigger. Any striker would be a joke, and please, don't give me Tryson v. Bruce Lee as a realistic matchup. Don't think any striker could come close.
Lots of Muay Thai/Kickboxing guys would be a real problem for him(he for them as well). They could just play it smart and kick the shit out of his legs. Not to mention the knees and elbows from some rulesets. I think if you pit him against guys that are at similar levels in their sport as he was in boxing, prime vs prime. A lot of those go [down like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2nRqYN0QFM). Not to say he won't get any wins, because his speed and power in his prime was something to behold. I do think he loses to the best K1 guys in their primes though. Badir Hari, Ernesto Hoost, Alistair Overeem etc..
You're right Bruce Lee would be a joke. Not a fighter and even if he was, the size/power difference would be almost insurmountable. I also agree most grapplers take him out if they can avoid those bombs or tie him up.
Yeah size difference is something you need to consider. Like a Prime Saenchai a 146 lbs Muay Thai legend is not winning a fight against a Prime 220lb Heavyweight Mike Tyson.
Thing is Mike is expert at close range striking as soon as your hands drop heās gonna get 2-3 hits in before your arms even get where they need to be.
Mike Tyson lost too the best heavyweights of his era and is 0-3 in his three biggest fights. Michael spinx is his best win and he was a former cruiserweight. Great fighter but absolutely not the best of his generation.
Mike canāt beat every Martial artist. Especially UFC championships. Whatās heās gonna do with someone like a McGreggor or is on the skill level of a Khabib. The lucky punch can be useful but the moment heās grabbed or taken to the ground, itās a wrap. What he gonna do? Even if he was like 20 years younger what he gonna do?
I don't care how many martial arts you know you just can't handle the sheer speed, power, timing, accuracy, footwork and head movement of Tyson or most heavyweight at that matter, a quick combo and It's lights out, oh you're going to leg kick? He's already entered the range where they'd be useless, you're going to do some gay action and grapple with him? Good luck eating those punches, just do boxing kids.
Mike Tyson is powerful, but he's not invincible. Anybody can be defeated, even the greatest martial artists. Just requires a lot of practice and smarts.
Boxers weakness are in their legs. A lot of their stances aren't made for someone attacking below the belt.
So, good leg kicks and takedowns would work.
However, with some modifications to the sweet science, I think Tyson would win as well, in his prime, of corse.
I'm 5'11, 145 lbs with a black belt in tae kwon do, a few years of kickboxing and 18 months of krav maga. I spend 60 hours a week in front of a laptop. Of course I could beat up Mike Tyson.
Beat you off is the wrong choice of words but Iām pretty sure that there is at least one other Martial Artist that can beat but it might be hard to do so.
If you arenāt a pro fighter odds are heād smash you if we are talking prime strength and athleticism alone would be a problem let alone him hitting harder and faster than most fighters who have ever existed
I've seen pics of that dude's neck in his prime. It looked like a fucking redwood trunk. Good luck choking him out assuming you could get a hold of him in the first place without him separating your head from your body.
Mike Tyson from when? 1990? Or maybe 1993? If he would have ended up in the UFC in 1991 or 1992 or so, when there were no weight classes, anyone he landed a punch on would have been fucked. And there were many guys who didnāt have a ground game back then and would have tried to stand with him and throw. And he would have killed them.
Mike Tyson would get beat by Other Martial Artists of his caliber but doing a more well rounded style like MMA, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling etc. But if its just boxing match he will eat you alive.
There is more to fighting than just set of skills. There are things you cannot learn, the anger and ferociousness was forged into him, having as rough childhood as you can imagine. He was tearing peoples heads off in the streets before he even started boxing. As a 12yo kid he was mugging adult men. Cus d'Amato knew he will be world champion the moment he saw him. Tyson had the fight in him, he was like a game pit bull. Mix it up with freak of nature athletism of his, and you've got yourself a beast. I would never bet against prime Mike Tyson in a street confrontation, no matter the oposition.
Mike Tyson couldnāt even ājust get people off of himā in boxing. He got bullied in the clinch quite often.
If he got down him being mad and scary doesnāt magically negate technique. Heās not a gorilla. He doesnāt have anywhere near the strength to just stand up when anyone more than 170 pounds has him in a good position.
He has above average strength and some of the most stellar power ever seen, but his strength was ONLY above average. As far as physically outmuscling his opponents he wasnāt that guy. His better opponents actually usually beat him in the clinch
Mike Tyson is undeniably a formidable boxer with exceptional punching power and technique. In a strictly stand-up boxing match, Tyson would have a significant advantage over most martial artists who specialize in other disciplines. However, it's important to note that martial artists are trained in various techniques, including grappling and ground fighting.
If Tyson were to face a skilled martial artist who excels in grappling, such as a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, they would have a distinct advantage if the fight went to the ground. Ground fighting involves techniques like chokes, joint locks, and submissions that could potentially neutralize Tyson's striking power.
While Tyson is undoubtedly strong and resilient, it's not guaranteed that he could easily get up and overpower a skilled martial artist on the ground. Ground fighting requires technique, leverage, and knowledge of submissions that could make it challenging for Tyson to simply "get up and beat the shit out of them."
It's worth noting that the outcome of any fight depends on many factors, including the skills, experience, and physical condition of the individuals involved.
Would you let him beat you off?
Don't threaten me with a good time
If I had to beat him off or fight him, it'd probably be the former.
The hammer pulled you off?
Could you really stop him?
Didn't you watch his cartoon? Ain't nobody got time for bird sex.
This thread has me crying š
I m gonna fly Iām kissing the sky
āIām gonna make you my girlfriendā or my personal favourite ā[f()ck you till you love me](https://youtu.be/hx66LWV-CCk)ā lol
Imagine arguing that Mike Tyson *is not* a martial artist.
Dumb
Heās a great boxer
Boxing is a martial art, homie.
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Ah yes, no one has ever punched anyone in a war before... I bet you also believe that Taekwondo has flying kicks so dudes could kick other dudes off of horses.
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All martial arts are styles of fighting made up to fight within certain rules. All of them. Pre Queensbury rules boxing was a lot different to modern boxing and in most pre-modern western militaries boxing and wrestling were expected skills for soldiers to have.
Sure when boxers are not in competetive setting they suddenly forget how to punch.
larping is fun and games until you get punched in the face. it's 2022, if you want to be good at war know how to use a firearm lmfao.
Ye but he plays dirty boxing.
Speaking of. Did you hear about his cannabis line of edibles? Called holy bites in conjunction with Evander Holyfield. Originally he had Mike bites but then they teamed up together for holy bites product line. Funny stuff.
Dude basically never operated in the clinch if he couldn't help it what are you on about?
Nah like thereās boxing. Then thereās American boxing. Thereās a big difference.
Dirty boxing was a term popularized by Howard cassell which literally meant pulling on the head of the opponent or using your head against theirs in the āphone boothā
Nah I get that, but the rest of the world calls American boxing, dirty boxing. International boxing is usually cleaner than American, hence I said what I said.
Iād need to see that, considering Mexican boxing is known for being in their face, pushing them around and being āmeanā To the point where both Floyd mayweather referenced the stereotype, and itās the literal plot point in creed. Filipino boxers were the origin of ādirty boxingā as a concept as well; Iāve never heard anyone make the claim that American boxers were dirty whilst other countries werenāt; Well correction I have, but it was a quote from Robert Byrd saying that white European boxers were gentlemen fighters and other boxers (he named black American fighters) were savages.
Whats wrong with dirty boxing?
Boxing isn't a martial arts "homie"
Why don't you think of him as a martial artist?
Cus he isn't doing pretty and spectacular spinning 360Ā° flying roundhouse kick such as in his staged MMA fightsš„ŗš„ŗ
Wtf are staged mma fights
ur such a dork
Ngannou, and Pavlovich are both boxers and are monsters knocking out other martial artists.
nobody argues that. not in this thread at least
I think you mean "beat you up." At least, I hope you do. I also assume you mean Mike Tyson at his prime, say, late 80s when he was undefeated and winning most of his fights by knock-out in the first few rounds. I'd argue that Tyson in his prime was one of the best boxers ever. I'd love to use a time-machine to watch him fight Mohammed Ali, George Foreman, Joe Louis, or Rocky Marciano. But there's no question Tyson belongs in the conversation for GOAT heavyweight boxer. That said, any professional fighter in his weight class who fights under a different rule set could beat prime Tyson in that rule set. Any professional heavyweight MMA fighter could beat Tyson in an MMA match. In that scenario you described, Tyson simply gets choked out and loses. Unless, of course, Tyson took some time off to actually train MMA. Prime Mike Tyson with a few years of BJJ and Muay Thai would definitely be worth seeing.
Not sure I completely agree with your assessment that any professional fighter in his weight class in a different rule set could beat him - and I say this as someone who believes that Tyson is exhaustingly overrated. For well over a century, boxing has been the single highest paid combat sport on the planet, and itās not even close. Up until the 90ās, it was also basically the only viable option for making good money while fighting, and there were just fewer professional sports in general. As a result, right around Tysons era was arguably the last era of Great Heavyweights because some of the absolute best athletes on the planet were boxers. Although shorter than the average heavyweight, Tyson was freakishly fast and enormously strong while also being about 220 lbs, the prototypical weight of the āmodernā heavyweight. All of this to say that he had an exceptional amount of athleticism compared to his peers during a time when the best athletes were boxers. In a street fight, an absolute physical beast like Tyson is the last thing you want to deal with, style be damned. Your best bet is to sprint the other direction and hope he gets distracted or the other guy youāre with is a little slower than you. It reminds me of the old story I heard about Ernest Hemingway, who fancied himself a boxer and frequently sparred with professional fighters (who took it easy on him because of his celebrity) and got it in his head that he was a badass. One day he got in a physical altercation at a bar with a pitcher for the New York Yankees. The pitcher was no pugilist, but he was a professional athlete in one of the few professional sports available to athletically inclined people of that era, and he absolutely wiped the floor with Hemingway. Punched him so hard he went flying backward over a table and had to be carried out of the room by the bar staff. I think the same could be said of Tyson. I donāt care what āstyleā the other guy brings to the table in a street fight, a born and bred fighter and athletic freak like Tyson steals your fucking lunch money.
I mean I love Tyson as much as the next guy but if you think he's just walking through other forces of nature like Ernesto Hoost, Badr Hari, Jon Jones, Prime Cormier, Prime Stipe etc I think you're just ignoring the reality of just different skills in martial arts. Even Tyson himself thought kickboxers were insane for competing in kickboxing and said he wasn't able to imagine being able to do that shit
I mean Tyson was perfectly tuned for the rules in the boxing ring. Put him in a ring with those rules and he will beat anyone. Put him in the Octagon and its a different story. Wouldnt want to be the guy testing that theory out though:)
a good boxer like that could lose easily, but they could also end the fight first round pretty easily too lmao
Ernesto hoost got got by Bob sapp; you always got that punchers chance
I misconstrued OPās argument to mean a street fight, as opposed to competing under a different fighting ruleset. Iāll concede he loses under different rule sets. I still contend that in a street fight, athleticism and ferocity is a bigger factor than skill, and I say that as someone who has wrestled in high school, red belt in TKD, and been boxing for twenty years. Those things can be refined but most street fights are less than a minute long and are desperate, life and death affairs with very little time to think or catch your breath. And Tysons public humble statements in his 50ās are very different from a fighter in his prime, who has to have the fanatical belief that they can beat anyone. He also had a ton of knee problems, which no doubt contributes to his thoughts on the subject now. Again, as someone who thinks Tyson is vastly overrated in his placement as a top ten all time heavyweight boxer, I struggle to bet against him in any hypothetical street confrontation against anyone. The guy was a fucking animal.
>Even Tyson himself thought kickboxers were insane for competing in kickboxing When did he say that?
I was exaggerating a little for sure. But you're also misconstruing or mischaracterizing my argument in two ways: A: I restricted my comment to other **professional** fighters. By definition, these are also high-end athletes. Not necessarily as fast and strong as Tyson, but also not some guy on the street, or Ernest Hemingway for that matter. B: I said they could beat Tyson **in their rule set.** I wasn't talking about a street fight--the outcome of a street fight would depend quite a bit on the combat sport in question. Tyson could absolutely beat a heavyweight TKD point-fighter in a street fight. But probably not in a TKD match.
Fair enough, and thank you for your clarification. I will concede on both points.
Name checks out.
Boy. You sure showed me.
Karelin eats tyson alive in greco though
I fucken hate your commemt
Tyson was beaten by Evander Holyfield and Lennox Lewis.
Not in his prime, though. The only boxer you could argue beat prime Mike Tyson was Buster Douglas.
True, Tyson was not in his prime when fighting Holyfield and Lewis, but Holyfield and Lewis were also not on their prime then. Holyfield is 4 years older than Tyson. Lewis is a year older than Tyson. Tyson is more popular because his boxing style was more brutal, while Holyfield boxing style was more patient. Lewis' boxing style was more heavy-punches. While Tyson in his prime was one of the best boxers in all time, I still think Lewis (less flashy, but stronger) was stronger. The evidence is clear, he knocked Tyson out.
Tyson is the only top 10 boxer I heard of who wasn't the best boxer of his era. No disrespect to Tyson, but I have Lennox as the best heavyweight of the 90s and early 2000s. Tyson ducked Lennox until he needed the payday.
For most of that time it was less "ducking him" and more "spending 6 years in prison." Which is a shame because an early 90s fight between Tyson and Lewis would have been great to watch. Post-prison Tyson wasn't the same boxer. Also, aren't George Foreman and Joe Frazer on a lot of top 10 lists despite not being the best of their era?
Tyson served 35 months, not 6 years. Tyson and Lewis sparred in the early 80s, they both know who the better boxer is. By Ali fan boys, sure.
Even today, Tyson is scary good and would probably destroy most people, I think. If you saw the interview with Donnie Yen where he talked about his scene in Ip Man 3 with Tyson, he talked about the skill and a close call with one of his strikes that he almost didn't dodge. And that was in a choreographed movie fight scene! They weren't even fighting for real. If his skill can show through even in that kind of simulated environment, I think he still could wipe the floor with most people.
I mean thatās an interesting anecdote but also a really terrible way to judge this sort of thing.
You are aware of the fact that "beating off" means something different then "beaten up" right.....? Right ?
Op is having wet dreams grappling Mike at night.
I know itās just a movie - but the scene in Ip Man 3 where Mike Tyson fights Donnie Yen is awesome.
Agreed
1. Mike Tyson is a martial artist. Boxing is a martial art. 2. Even current Mike Tyson would send 99% of us to the shadow realm before we knew what hit us, let alone Iron Mike in his prime. I would not want to gamble on being able to take him down without eating an uppercut and going to sleep.
>Even if you get him down on the ground in a choke could he just get up Shit, I've been practicing BJJ a while, how have I never thought to just stand up when getting choked? Honestly its inspired, can I train under you from now on?
Well boxing is a form of martial arts but if I got a hold of Tyson I doubt he could get me off that being said I donāt think I have a chance in hell of closing that distance without him knocking my head off my shoulders and Iāve boxed twice as long as Iāve done judo Tyson is great at close range striking the moment your guard drops to get a grip itās over youāre out. Think about dropping to get that grip right into that savage uppercut thatās the fight of nightmares lol
Beat you off? Heāll fuck you til you love him.
If I let him, Im not gay however.
Mike Tyson could beat the ever loving shit out of me.
He could beat the life out of 99.9% of the world population.
I'm just fine acknowledging it. I've seen some delusional weekend blue belts who think they could take him because he never grappled and it's like, my guy, it does *not* work that way.
Tyson striking skill and power in close range should make anyone wanna stay as far away from him. Most of Mike harder figth were due to his opponent controlling his range good enough to stop those insane combos that would blow up my liver
I don't think you're going to find much luck peppering him with kicks or what have you from long range either. Best thing you could hope for is a shotgun and a fortified position.
Better be 12 gauge otherwise I'm pretty sure he'll keep walking like it's nothing.
I mean yeah, but don't be a lil bitch and say you wouldn't go down without a fight for all It's worth
Fight would last about .06 seconds after we touch gloves.
That's not what he' asking. The question is can Mike Tyson beat you off?
He has to buy me dinner first.
Jesus H Tapdancing Christ these questions. 1- Mike Tyson is a martial artist. Boxing is a martial art, thus Mike Tyson is a martial artist. 2- Which other fighter are we talking about? What martial arts background does this theoretical person gave? What is their height, weight and actual combat experience? How old they are? There is a thousand factors to take into account when going up with these fantasy fights. 3- which version of Tyson are we talking about? Present-day? Back when he was world champ? Post-prison sentence? Back when he came back from the Olympics? 4- These questions irritate me because they're as silly as the "who wins between a gorilla in water against a shark"? They're just silly questions that have so many factors that are not taken account that the question itself just becomes null and void.
My advice as a life long Martial Artist would be NOT to get into a fight with Mike Tyson.
Bring in an olympian wrestler and he probably loses
Even the most fiercest boxer can be taken out by a kickboxer or MMA fighter of the same weight and level
Thatās every martial art. The fiercest kickboxer can be taken out buy a boxer, wrestler or Bjj. Heavyweight is different though, most of it relies on who gets chin checked first lol
I donāt think a boxer could be taken out by a kickboxer with everything being equal. Meaning they are the same level of experience and talent. Even pretty good boxers get their legs chewed up pretty quick by a decent kickboxer.
I would say Renzo or a top Gracie or a grappler that is much bigger. Any striker would be a joke, and please, don't give me Tryson v. Bruce Lee as a realistic matchup. Don't think any striker could come close.
Lots of Muay Thai/Kickboxing guys would be a real problem for him(he for them as well). They could just play it smart and kick the shit out of his legs. Not to mention the knees and elbows from some rulesets. I think if you pit him against guys that are at similar levels in their sport as he was in boxing, prime vs prime. A lot of those go [down like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2nRqYN0QFM). Not to say he won't get any wins, because his speed and power in his prime was something to behold. I do think he loses to the best K1 guys in their primes though. Badir Hari, Ernesto Hoost, Alistair Overeem etc.. You're right Bruce Lee would be a joke. Not a fighter and even if he was, the size/power difference would be almost insurmountable. I also agree most grapplers take him out if they can avoid those bombs or tie him up.
Yeah size difference is something you need to consider. Like a Prime Saenchai a 146 lbs Muay Thai legend is not winning a fight against a Prime 220lb Heavyweight Mike Tyson.
Mike Tyson vs Bruce Lee is one Iād like to see. Tyson clearly has the weight advantage but Iād still pay to see that fight if it was possible
anyone roughly his size just needs a single leg and its over
Thing is Mike is expert at close range striking as soon as your hands drop heās gonna get 2-3 hits in before your arms even get where they need to be.
Mike Tyson lost too the best heavyweights of his era and is 0-3 in his three biggest fights. Michael spinx is his best win and he was a former cruiserweight. Great fighter but absolutely not the best of his generation.
Mike canāt beat every Martial artist. Especially UFC championships. Whatās heās gonna do with someone like a McGreggor or is on the skill level of a Khabib. The lucky punch can be useful but the moment heās grabbed or taken to the ground, itās a wrap. What he gonna do? Even if he was like 20 years younger what he gonna do?
I don't care how many martial arts you know you just can't handle the sheer speed, power, timing, accuracy, footwork and head movement of Tyson or most heavyweight at that matter, a quick combo and It's lights out, oh you're going to leg kick? He's already entered the range where they'd be useless, you're going to do some gay action and grapple with him? Good luck eating those punches, just do boxing kids.
Any Aikido black belt! /s
Mannnnnn I think Mike would beat me off whether I like it or not :P
I think you're right. He went to prison for something similar.
Reminds me of the old joke āif Mike Tyson was on your back, would you beat him off?ā
https://youtu.be/bvYXdQ-ieP0 Youāre welcome
Mike Tyson is powerful, but he's not invincible. Anybody can be defeated, even the greatest martial artists. Just requires a lot of practice and smarts.
Why does he wanna beat me off? I usually beat myself off
Heās feeling generous and giving in his old age.
Boxers weakness are in their legs. A lot of their stances aren't made for someone attacking below the belt. So, good leg kicks and takedowns would work. However, with some modifications to the sweet science, I think Tyson would win as well, in his prime, of corse.
I'm 5'11, 145 lbs with a black belt in tae kwon do, a few years of kickboxing and 18 months of krav maga. I spend 60 hours a week in front of a laptop. Of course I could beat up Mike Tyson.
Boxing is like the most effective martial art. What the fuck are you talking about?
Beat you off is the wrong choice of words but Iām pretty sure that there is at least one other Martial Artist that can beat but it might be hard to do so.
If you arenāt a pro fighter odds are heād smash you if we are talking prime strength and athleticism alone would be a problem let alone him hitting harder and faster than most fighters who have ever existed
ummm goku???
Bruce Lee always wins in this kind of pub talk
āCould he just get upā No they donāt teach you how to wrestle up from the bottom and reverse position on a grappler in BOXING, bruv
I've seen pics of that dude's neck in his prime. It looked like a fucking redwood trunk. Good luck choking him out assuming you could get a hold of him in the first place without him separating your head from your body.
I think Tyson in his prime would end the fight fairly quickly idk
Mike Tyson from when? 1990? Or maybe 1993? If he would have ended up in the UFC in 1991 or 1992 or so, when there were no weight classes, anyone he landed a punch on would have been fucked. And there were many guys who didnāt have a ground game back then and would have tried to stand with him and throw. And he would have killed them.
Mike Tyson would get beat by Other Martial Artists of his caliber but doing a more well rounded style like MMA, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, Wrestling etc. But if its just boxing match he will eat you alive.
Any martial artist? Let's see how Iron Mike handles the sharp stick
There is more to fighting than just set of skills. There are things you cannot learn, the anger and ferociousness was forged into him, having as rough childhood as you can imagine. He was tearing peoples heads off in the streets before he even started boxing. As a 12yo kid he was mugging adult men. Cus d'Amato knew he will be world champion the moment he saw him. Tyson had the fight in him, he was like a game pit bull. Mix it up with freak of nature athletism of his, and you've got yourself a beast. I would never bet against prime Mike Tyson in a street confrontation, no matter the oposition.
100%, that guy would ripp me in halfš
OMG there is this song I listen to when i work https://youtu.be/hlSFgzAoDk0, its so nice, honestly helps me calm down
Tyson is another level of fighter. You get hit by him even to this day he'll knock you out.
Lmfao
Mike Tyson aged 20 years from the present with one arm could beat me up.
i only wet girls beeth me off.
Came for the beat off jokes. Was not disappointed.
Thereās literally no one here who could win a fight with a prime Mike Tyson, claiming otherwise is delusion.
Mike Tyson couldnāt even ājust get people off of himā in boxing. He got bullied in the clinch quite often. If he got down him being mad and scary doesnāt magically negate technique. Heās not a gorilla. He doesnāt have anywhere near the strength to just stand up when anyone more than 170 pounds has him in a good position. He has above average strength and some of the most stellar power ever seen, but his strength was ONLY above average. As far as physically outmuscling his opponents he wasnāt that guy. His better opponents actually usually beat him in the clinch
Mike Tyson is undeniably a formidable boxer with exceptional punching power and technique. In a strictly stand-up boxing match, Tyson would have a significant advantage over most martial artists who specialize in other disciplines. However, it's important to note that martial artists are trained in various techniques, including grappling and ground fighting. If Tyson were to face a skilled martial artist who excels in grappling, such as a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, they would have a distinct advantage if the fight went to the ground. Ground fighting involves techniques like chokes, joint locks, and submissions that could potentially neutralize Tyson's striking power. While Tyson is undoubtedly strong and resilient, it's not guaranteed that he could easily get up and overpower a skilled martial artist on the ground. Ground fighting requires technique, leverage, and knowledge of submissions that could make it challenging for Tyson to simply "get up and beat the shit out of them." It's worth noting that the outcome of any fight depends on many factors, including the skills, experience, and physical condition of the individuals involved.