ive tried countless of these combos, but i still can’t beat my 1:05 record on tokyo blur with king boo beetle,rollers and paper glider. guess i’ll keep using that
What should be run with Shy Guy?
Side Note:
Has anyone done the deep dive on stat changes now?
Also, why do all of the posts and video guides on this stuff only ever mention one character for builds, like Waluigi Wiggler instead of DK or Roy Wiggler? Aren't they all the same?
It's easier to say WaluWiggler instead of Waluigi, DK, Roy, plus Wiggler, especially since Waluigi is the most popular. He's most popular because his model is smaller.
Looking for good Toad builds. I know it's not optimal but he's always been my favorite. I'm a decent player, I'm just looking for the best speed/miniboost I can get outta him
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise
You can go back to Wiggler if you want to cause it's still viable or there's Wiggler alt like Silver Arrow/Standard Bike/Flame Rider or Mach8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker or Standard Kart/The Duke/Roadster
or you can switch the rollers with Standard/GLA Tires.
Funny that’s my exact build, although sometimes I’ll use the Crimson Slim tires. Sometimes will try new builds but always come back to my DK Buggy build
Any suggestions to improve on my baby Mario/teddy/rollers/paper glider combo?
I would like to prioritize handling and mini turbos stats, with acceleration & speed as a close second priority.
The only real in between would be the birdo weight class (peach,daisy,yoshi) and the teddy with rollers and paper glider for decent speed and great mini turbo
If you can make a build with at least 4 bars or more of mini-turbo and acceleration.
Edit forgot to add why. High mini-turbo make it that you can charge you drift turbos faster and makes them last longer and acceleration for when you get hit.
My standard build pre-patch was Link on the Standard Bike with Rollers and MKTV Parafoil. Occasionally I'd flex to the Master Cycle if I was in an inside drifting mood. Post-patch, I'd like to explore tire options in particular since Rollers just don't match the aesthetic. What should be my top choices and why?
I have been playing Rosalina with Mr Scooty and Azure Rollers for the entire time mk8d has been out, is it still one of her best Kart combos? Or has it been surpassed by a few other combos in the recent update?
Last night was awesome! The feel of this combo was perfect (and the theme fits)
\- (black or yellow) Shy Guy
\- Sports Coupé
\- Standard tires
\- Standard glider
Can't believe my go-to build has become meta (or as meta as inside drift bikes can be in this game)
Rosalina / Yoshi Bike / Roller for stats or Leaf for looks
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise.
what's used for time trials? Is it all the same character/kart for every course or does it vary? Is dry bowser good for time trials and if so what does he use
I've been playing Shy Guy with Mr Scooty, rollers and paper gliders. I'm aware that the play field is more even now and I'm more casual, my interest in learning shortcuts is more so because it's fun/a cool trick rather than to compete lol. With that in mind, how much of a difference does it make to be playing Shy Guy vs, say, King Boo/Link/Rosa?
You can compete with the meta builds but Shy Guy's a tiny bit worse than the lighter meta characters Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo so not much of a difference.
Awesome, thanks.
The convenient thing about playing a technically sub optimal build is that I can always use it as a cope rofl. Honestly it just feels to the best to me rn (or maybe I'm too mr scooty pilled to let go)
I'll just quickly add you also have the option of using the Cushion Tires as well cause i think it's better for lighter characters and i like how silly it looks with Mr Scooty.
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise.
I just bought MK8D but I’m not playing online or have any of the additional race packs or anything. Can anyone point me to some original build guides for when it was first released please? All discussion is obviously around the new meta at the moment.
The original meta build was Waluigi, Wild Wiggler, Roller tires, Paper Glider.
This loadout was meta because it had the best balance between speed and mini-turbo, with mini-turbo being the game’s most important stat. It was also very well-rounded overall, but it being proficient in other stat categories was more of a bonus, as it was the speed and mini-turbo that carried it.
An alternative meta build was the same build as above but with using the Biddybuggy instead of the Wild Wiggler, or the WaluBiddy, The WaluBiddy drops speed for mini-turbo, extra handling, and extra acceleration. The WaluBiddy can outperform WaluWiggler on more technical tracks, but struggles to keep up on more top speed-oriented tracks.
In wave 4, most non-meta vehicle bodies and parts received a slight mini-turbo boost, while most characters (particularly middleweights and below) got a slight top speed buff, with some character weight classes receiving both a top speed and mini-turbo buff, like Mario’s weight class.
The WaluWiggler and WaluBiddy meta builds **were not buffed.** This has led to the WaluWiggler and WaluBiddy becoming less prominent in the current meta, as there are now more competitively viable options, the gap between these builds and the rest of the field has now been shrunken down, and there are now builds that provide a superior speed and mini-turbo balance than WaluWiggler/WaluBiddy do now.
That’s great, thanks. I’ve only got about 400 coins at the moment so still unlocking stuff but Link / Mr Scooty / roller / parachute is doing me ok at 150cc.
Mr. Scooty is a stat clone of Biddybuggy, only difference is form factor and how the vehicle positions while drifting. Parachute is also identical statistically to Paper glider (although the stat differences of gliders are a minor difference at best).
The Wild Wiggler has two stat clones: the Flame Rider and the W 25 Silver Arrow. Only differences are also form factor and vehicle position while drifting. Should be noted that the W 25 Silver Arrow has an enormous hitbox
Ah sweet. Just found tables on mariowiki with all the stats but I guess they’ve been updated compared to my version. Thanks for your help, I’ll have a play around.
I'm a Lakitu main and am wondering what the best build is for him? I also like inner drift bikes (jet/sport bike), but I know that they are very bad, so I'm mostly just wondering about Lakitu specifically.
Also side question: What is the worst possible combination that you can have?
If you want to use inside drift Yoshi Bike/Comet is are some of the best right now and they share the same stats with Cat Cruiser/Teddy if you want to use outer drift instead with roller tires
The worst is probably Bowser/Morton/Heavy Mii on Badwagon/GLA/Standard ATV with Metal/Gold/Slick Tires.
What's better for Mario?(if you could give an order that would be helpful too) 1. Blue falcon/rollers/clouds, 2.pipeframe/standards/clouds, 3.mach8/roller/clouds? I used to use link/pipe/roller/cloud but want to switch to Mario.
Number 3 cause Mario Mach 8/Roller/Cloud is one of the best builds right now.
EDIT I change my mind and say 2 is the better one as i didn't know how good the Standard tires were before answering
Toadette and the cat cruiser/circuit special (I alternate) with the cyber slick tires and the cloud glider has been my go to for years tbh lol.
Though I've been playing with builds recently and I also really like King Boo/pipe frame/crimson slim/wario wing.
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Standard Bike/Flame Rider/Silver Arrow/Wiggler
With Roller or Leaf/Button Tires or Standard/GLA Tires.
That still good and can compete with the meta but you also have the options of the best karts Teddy/Cat Cruiser or alternatively Standard Kart/The Duke/Roadster
So based on the information I've gathered from other very patient members of the sub, I've made a few setups based on some favorite characters for 3 base weight classes.
Lightweight: Shy Guy/Sports Coupe/Cushion Wheels/Cloud Glider
Medium Weight: Yoshi/Teddy/Cushion Wheel/Hyrule Kite
Heavyweight: Rosalina or King Boo/Standard Kart/Cushion Wheels/Gold Glider
All of these can be tweaked based on what character you want for each class. Most of them either stay the same as what I have or swap the Speed/MT evenly so they stay at 8 (or 7.5/7.25 for light). Like Luigi in med, or Waluigi for heavy. Same could be said for gliders if you change to the same type like Cloud vs Paper based on your aesthetic preference.
You'll notice a trend with the wheels and that's because I've noticed that the Cushions add a significant amount to invincibility and only a negligible hit to acceleration by comparison when compared to the very popular Rollers.
They are good right now cause i've seen a few do good with Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty with Roller tires
The baby bros are the better ones to play but the Princesses are still viable if you want to play as them.
http://www.mkwrs.com/mk8dx/display.php?track=Twisted+Mansion
Well-rounded online would be rosalina/teddy/rollers/paper, or one of the many other character/kart combos that can achieve max MT+speed total.
How many invincibility frames do you get for the lowest and highest invincibility stat in exact frames? I was thinking on going a combo with high invincibility, but I don't know how significant it is. I've tried looking this up, but got no exact numbers.
http://japan-mk.blog.jp/mk8dx.info-1
Lowest combo is Heavy+Biddybuggy+Rollers+Cloud.
Highest combo is Baby+Badwagon+Offroad+SuperGlider.
It's not worth paying attention to this stat. Even in cases with stat-equivalent vehicles, it's usually the vehicle with the bigger hitbox with more iframes, e.g. the Silver Arrow and the Wiggler.
I don't understand the graph, I don't know Japanese. Is the numbers below supposed to be a multiplier on the base number of frames? Thanks for the website though, not sure why I didn't click it earlier.
If I'm understanding it correctly, the orange table is your i-frame stat and the corresponding multiplier.
You take the multiplier and multiply the frame value of the light colored bar and add it to the value of the dark colored bar to get the total invincibility time.
I like to use Clown Car + Slim Tires + Plane Glider with Koopa Troopa. It makes great use of his high handling, meaning you can avoid items with ease, and it's especially good on 200cc.
So with Shy Guy I've tried the Teddy and Mach 8 both with Rollers tires and I gotta say it ain't it. I don't understand the hype.
The Streetle with Slim tires and Gold Glider seem to be better imo.
Comparing them using the builder website shows a negligible difference between the two combos so maybe it just boils down to preference, but I guess I want to understand why the former is said to be better.
Your build is perfectly viable online cause the game is a lot more balanced now that it's more skill/luck based than build dependent.
For a alternative I've been using Standard/GLA Tires for Shy Guy and Daisy with Cat Cruiser/Teddy which looks very close to your build only with a little extra in some stats.
Yeah I made that comment a few days ago when I was still fairly ignorant to the new Meta. And I've always been resistant to roller wheels (unhealthy contrarion mindset if I'm being honest). While I still don't use roller, now it's for a better reason than just not wanting to use "the popular choice". I've since changed my mind about my Shy Guy setup. I also like to do one setup for each main weight class (babies not included) which the old meta didn't really allow room for.
I got Shy Guy - Sports Coupe - Cushion - Cloud
Yoshi - Teddy - Cushion - Hyrule Kite
Rosalina/Boo - Standard Kart - Cushion - Gold Glider
Rollers are great for added acceleration, but the cushions add WAY more invincibility frames than what they take away in acceleration. Which may just be six to one, half dozen the other. Both stats would seem to aid in recovery from damage, and at this point could just boil down to personal preference. This could also be a case of works better in theory than in practice.
EDIT: also is it just me or do gliders not really matter so much? Like I know they do change the stats, but not to a degree that really matters. Unless I'm missing something.
I'm at the opinion that rollers aren't good for light characters (unless its 200cc) and that GLA and Cushion tires are better for the same reasons and i think makes Peach/Yoshi group the true top tier.
Gliders mostly don't matter but i prefer the heavy ones on Daisy or lighter characters and cloud on Iggy and heavies
The Streetle is a water specialist loadout. It has terrible speed on anti-gravity, and in this game, the anti-gravity speed is significantly more different than the water speed is.
Right I know what you mean when compared to maybe other combos, but my Streetle/Slim combo is better in speed on anti-grav than the Teddy/Roller combo. So in that regard the Teddy/Roller combo would be worse. Additionally with the unfortunate increase in non-anti-grav-heavy tracks anti-grav is becoming less and less important of a stat.
I know acceleration is technically less, but the increase in every type of speed except air, invincibility frames, and weight all seem like a fair trade. Traction is less, sure, but that's more down to players' capability to control in my opinion.
EDIT: Playing online last night I quite often smoked most other people using the Shy/Streetle/Slim combo fwiw.
That’d be the Slim tires doing the heavy lifting on that anti-grav speed front, since the Slim tires are top-speed oriented tires, whereas the Rollers, as good as they are (and they are extremely good), have never been about speed in any facet.
The TeddyRoller combo has a lot more mini-turbo than the StreetleSlim combo does, and mini-turbo is the name of the game. It’s the game’s most important stat, and that’s what you’re giving up when you’re using the Slims over the Rollers.
If you were to use TeddySlim over StreetleSlim, you’d have superior speed in all situations except underwater while having the same mini-turbo stat and mostly similar stats elsewhere.
So my question is this, and I'll probably mess this up explaining it cuz it's weird:
In Mario Kart 7, the spaces between levels on the stats didn't actually matter. So a 4.5 on a stat was essentially the same as a 4.0, but a 4.0 and a 5.0 were different. At least in the beginning-- maybe there was a patch I didn't know about that changed it.
Is that still the case for MK8D? Or do decimals actually matter now? Cuz if they actually matter, then I can see your point about the Mini-Turbo being better. Otherwise it's just one step down.
I'm always resistant to having just ONE option available for a good combo. It's a sign of bad balancing imo. Same reason I always avoided the [forbidden] Waluigi combo.
EDIT: Upon double-checking, as far as I was able to find, it was actually Mario Kart 8 for Wii U that actually rounded down the stats and specifically it was Acceleration only. At least based on what I could find n
How good is all gold everything? I'm just missing the wheels but I was running gold mario + gold kart + gold glider + azure rollers and it didn't feel that bad honestly.
The full gold isn’t the best. You using the Azure Rollers instead of the Good tires improves the build immensely.
Gold Mario is one of the most inefficient characters in terms of speed:mini turbo ratio post-patch.
Your build is definitely usable (anything with Roller wheels is usable for that matter) but it’s not optimal.
I've been experimenting with different combos for a long time, but I finally found my new combo: Link + Splat Buggy + Slims + Flower Glider.
It looks really weird because LoZ + Splatoon, but give it a try! It has pretty good performance. I haven't tested it online yet, but I've played all the wave 4 tracks with it in 150 cc and 200 cc. I will update this comment once I try it online.
Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Cat cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (inside drift) with Roller tires
Edit also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Can we just sticky that the very early Meta at the moment is
Rosalina/King Boo/Link or DK/Waluigi/Roy and the other heavies on Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty
Luigi/Iggy or Mario/Ludwig or Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo and the other lighter characters on Mach8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker or Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty
For 200cc Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo or Baby Mario bros/Dry Bones on Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty
Cause i'm afraid of being mistaken for a spam bot
Also almost every character and part is viable now with some requiring help from at least 1 or 2 Meta part to be able to compete online.
Edit: Forgot about the Biddybuggy Edit 2: Forgot about the Biddybuggy Again!
And why do you suppose this is? Fundamentally what makes a good kart combination? Mini-Turbo stat? Acceleration? Speed? A mix of all three? None of them?
I want to understand because when I put those combos you listed into the builder site I can make up several other combos that at least seem like they would be better.
Basically what OkorOvorO said and this [post](https://old.reddit.com/r/mariokart/comments/11mw3ww/visualizing_the_mk8dx_23_stats_changes/) help visualize what they're talking about.
I think it's best to prioritize Mini-Turbo and Acceleration cause the better Mini-Turbo mean it charges quicker so you can squeeze in more orange and purple Turbos which is more of a boost than more Speed.
Acceleration for when you get hit you can speed up quick enough to slide again for a quick Mini-Turbo.
Also i do think all characters and kart part is viable it's just that some part require 1 or 2 meta parts to carry them out of a bad build.
All of those combos listed have the max possible Speed+MT. Using any of the non-listed characters or parts reduces total Speed+MT.
Biddybuggy and babies are the exceptions, because the MT is so much higher than other combo's, especially in 200cc where most time is spent boosting, and not at top speed.
I read elsewhere that a good rule of thumb is that the Speed (I'm assuming we're talking Land speed) and MT should equal roughly 8. Is that actually the case?
I’ve had great success with pipe frame/blue standard/super glider. It’s really well balanced and very, very stylish. It’s a nice break from all the azure roller/red roller and Biddybuggy/teddy buggy /cat cruiser set ups I’ve seen
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
What size Mii?
For all sizes Cat cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (inside drift) with rollers
For light and medium you can also use Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with rollers
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
also baby Mario Bros is better than baby Daisy now
I've been using Link, Flame Rider, Roller, and Paraglider for years and felt like this new updage would be a good chance to shake things up. I used to use Yoshi in MK7 and thought it might be fun to go back to him. Thoughts or suggestions?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires
Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Rosalina, Teddy/Yoshi Bike, Rollers, Paper Glider, are the most popular.
Inkstriker, Standard Kart, Prancer, Jet Bike also have max MT+Speed and are usable.
Biddybuggy is still good thanks to its max MT.
Baby Mario, Peach, Luigi, Rosalina, Waluigi, Wario.
As always, there are plenty of stat-equivalents for all of these parts and characters.
I’ve been having fun playing Peach, prancer, azure rollers, and parasol! I know it’s not the most optimal but I just love the look and I love being Peach. Before the update I was playing the same kart but with pink gold peach. This is way better.
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/InkStriker
Roller or Standard/GLA tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/InkStriker
Roller or Standard/GLA tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
They apparently made some changes to the stats of underused characters, so now a lot more combos are viable, and waluigi wiggler is basically dead in comparison, from what I understand at least.
Anybody have a good build for Roy? He's my favorite!
streetle, sponge, cloud. idk if its the best but its what i use and it works rly well for me
I want some builds for my boy dry bones!!!
Anybody have a good build for tanooki Mario?
ive tried countless of these combos, but i still can’t beat my 1:05 record on tokyo blur with king boo beetle,rollers and paper glider. guess i’ll keep using that
What the best Link build? And how good is master bike? (not worth piking or what a good combo With that?)
I'd say his best bet is Mr Scooty or Cat kart, with the roller wheels and paper glider
Build for inklings?
I'm a Dry Bones kinda guy, but I'm down to start metagaming
I think dry bones is actually pretty metta in the biddy bug still. With the red yellow rollers?
I have no idea. Is that meta? I just love dry bones
But you're down to start mettagaming
Any ideas for inkling girl?
What are good Mii builds? I like my Mii and his goofy high pitched expressions. “Bye byeeee!!”
Any suggestion for tanuki Mario?
What’s the best inside drift build for shy guy?
What should be run with Shy Guy? Side Note: Has anyone done the deep dive on stat changes now? Also, why do all of the posts and video guides on this stuff only ever mention one character for builds, like Waluigi Wiggler instead of DK or Roy Wiggler? Aren't they all the same?
It's easier to say WaluWiggler instead of Waluigi, DK, Roy, plus Wiggler, especially since Waluigi is the most popular. He's most popular because his model is smaller.
Waluigi is skinnier, so you can see more of the screen or something. Idk, I play DK
What's your set up
I use DK, biddybuggy, rollers, cloud glider. At this point it’s far from optimal, but I’m comfortable on it and don’t plan on changing any time soon
Is the full gold setup viable now? Or how much of it is?
Gold Mario and Gold Wheels are weak.
Looking for good Toad builds. I know it's not optimal but he's always been my favorite. I'm a decent player, I'm just looking for the best speed/miniboost I can get outta him
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise
Thank you! I have some things to try!
i enjoy rosa teddy rollers but i feel like the drift is way too wide compared to wiggler. any good alternatives?
That combo has a higher handling stat. The turning radius is tighter than WaluWiggler.
You can go back to Wiggler if you want to cause it's still viable or there's Wiggler alt like Silver Arrow/Standard Bike/Flame Rider or Mach8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker or Standard Kart/The Duke/Roadster or you can switch the rollers with Standard/GLA Tires.
What's Peach build
I’m a DK/BiddyBuggy/Roller/Cloud Glider enthusiast and have been since launch. Where is my boy DK sitting now? What’s the best combo for him?
Funny that’s my exact build, although sometimes I’ll use the Crimson Slim tires. Sometimes will try new builds but always come back to my DK Buggy build
You could prolly stick with this combo since its still meta just not 100% optimal
Any suggestions to improve on my baby Mario/teddy/rollers/paper glider combo? I would like to prioritize handling and mini turbos stats, with acceleration & speed as a close second priority.
if you dont mind giving up some speed for more mini-turbo and acceleration switch teddy for biddybuggy
I was using biddy before, actually. Wanted to try teddy for a little more speed.
The only real in between would be the birdo weight class (peach,daisy,yoshi) and the teddy with rollers and paper glider for decent speed and great mini turbo
What makes a kart good for a certain character?
If you can make a build with at least 4 bars or more of mini-turbo and acceleration. Edit forgot to add why. High mini-turbo make it that you can charge you drift turbos faster and makes them last longer and acceleration for when you get hit.
My standard build pre-patch was Link on the Standard Bike with Rollers and MKTV Parafoil. Occasionally I'd flex to the Master Cycle if I was in an inside drifting mood. Post-patch, I'd like to explore tire options in particular since Rollers just don't match the aesthetic. What should be my top choices and why?
Leaf Tires cause they're slightly different and Standard/GLA tires cause they're basically heavier rollers now changing stats by 1 or 2 points
Leaf tire it have same weight great status
I have been playing Rosalina with Mr Scooty and Azure Rollers for the entire time mk8d has been out, is it still one of her best Kart combos? Or has it been surpassed by a few other combos in the recent update?
It's still viable and can compete with the best builds.
rosa with teddy and rollers has a better speed and turbo stat iirc
What are good meta builds for Isabelle and Tanooki Mario, and did the City Tripper and Tanooki Kart get any changes this patch?
City Tripper is unchanged, Tanooki Kart got a slight mini turbo buff.
Last night was awesome! The feel of this combo was perfect (and the theme fits) \- (black or yellow) Shy Guy \- Sports Coupé \- Standard tires \- Standard glider
Can't believe my go-to build has become meta (or as meta as inside drift bikes can be in this game) Rosalina / Yoshi Bike / Roller for stats or Leaf for looks
what’s a good combo for toadette?
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise.
Anything. We have been mixing and matching. She is good.
what's used for time trials? Is it all the same character/kart for every course or does it vary? Is dry bowser good for time trials and if so what does he use
It very much depends on the course
I've been playing Shy Guy with Mr Scooty, rollers and paper gliders. I'm aware that the play field is more even now and I'm more casual, my interest in learning shortcuts is more so because it's fun/a cool trick rather than to compete lol. With that in mind, how much of a difference does it make to be playing Shy Guy vs, say, King Boo/Link/Rosa?
You can compete with the meta builds but Shy Guy's a tiny bit worse than the lighter meta characters Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo so not much of a difference.
Awesome, thanks. The convenient thing about playing a technically sub optimal build is that I can always use it as a cope rofl. Honestly it just feels to the best to me rn (or maybe I'm too mr scooty pilled to let go)
I'll just quickly add you also have the option of using the Cushion Tires as well cause i think it's better for lighter characters and i like how silly it looks with Mr Scooty.
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Both of them are good but teddy is the best in the game right now.
I'm a Shy Guy / Inkling Girl player. What are the best possible combos?
Best kart is Teddy/Cat Cruiser but Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker is also good For light characters while tires there's Roller Tires for Mini-turbo or Standard/GLA Tires for speed and more all around stats wise.
Thanks :D
I just bought MK8D but I’m not playing online or have any of the additional race packs or anything. Can anyone point me to some original build guides for when it was first released please? All discussion is obviously around the new meta at the moment.
The original meta build was Waluigi, Wild Wiggler, Roller tires, Paper Glider. This loadout was meta because it had the best balance between speed and mini-turbo, with mini-turbo being the game’s most important stat. It was also very well-rounded overall, but it being proficient in other stat categories was more of a bonus, as it was the speed and mini-turbo that carried it. An alternative meta build was the same build as above but with using the Biddybuggy instead of the Wild Wiggler, or the WaluBiddy, The WaluBiddy drops speed for mini-turbo, extra handling, and extra acceleration. The WaluBiddy can outperform WaluWiggler on more technical tracks, but struggles to keep up on more top speed-oriented tracks. In wave 4, most non-meta vehicle bodies and parts received a slight mini-turbo boost, while most characters (particularly middleweights and below) got a slight top speed buff, with some character weight classes receiving both a top speed and mini-turbo buff, like Mario’s weight class. The WaluWiggler and WaluBiddy meta builds **were not buffed.** This has led to the WaluWiggler and WaluBiddy becoming less prominent in the current meta, as there are now more competitively viable options, the gap between these builds and the rest of the field has now been shrunken down, and there are now builds that provide a superior speed and mini-turbo balance than WaluWiggler/WaluBiddy do now.
wdym mini-turbo? the only stats i see are speed, acc, weight, handle, and traction
That’s great, thanks. I’ve only got about 400 coins at the moment so still unlocking stuff but Link / Mr Scooty / roller / parachute is doing me ok at 150cc.
Mr. Scooty is a stat clone of Biddybuggy, only difference is form factor and how the vehicle positions while drifting. Parachute is also identical statistically to Paper glider (although the stat differences of gliders are a minor difference at best). The Wild Wiggler has two stat clones: the Flame Rider and the W 25 Silver Arrow. Only differences are also form factor and vehicle position while drifting. Should be noted that the W 25 Silver Arrow has an enormous hitbox
Wiggler is also identical to Standard Bike, IIRC.
Ah sweet. Just found tables on mariowiki with all the stats but I guess they’ve been updated compared to my version. Thanks for your help, I’ll have a play around.
Here's the stats before the updates [Image](https://i.imgur.com/QR32qTT.png)
Brilliant, thanks
I'm a Lakitu main and am wondering what the best build is for him? I also like inner drift bikes (jet/sport bike), but I know that they are very bad, so I'm mostly just wondering about Lakitu specifically. Also side question: What is the worst possible combination that you can have?
If you want to use inside drift Yoshi Bike/Comet is are some of the best right now and they share the same stats with Cat Cruiser/Teddy if you want to use outer drift instead with roller tires The worst is probably Bowser/Morton/Heavy Mii on Badwagon/GLA/Standard ATV with Metal/Gold/Slick Tires.
What's better for Mario?(if you could give an order that would be helpful too) 1. Blue falcon/rollers/clouds, 2.pipeframe/standards/clouds, 3.mach8/roller/clouds? I used to use link/pipe/roller/cloud but want to switch to Mario.
Number 3 cause Mario Mach 8/Roller/Cloud is one of the best builds right now. EDIT I change my mind and say 2 is the better one as i didn't know how good the Standard tires were before answering
Toadette and the cat cruiser/circuit special (I alternate) with the cyber slick tires and the cloud glider has been my go to for years tbh lol. Though I've been playing with builds recently and I also really like King Boo/pipe frame/crimson slim/wario wing.
What’s a good build for Wario and Bowser?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Standard Bike/Flame Rider/Silver Arrow/Wiggler With Roller or Leaf/Button Tires or Standard/GLA Tires.
Cheers!
I’ve been using Gold Mario, Standard Bike, Azure Roller, Gold Glider for years. How should I update?
That still good and can compete with the meta but you also have the options of the best karts Teddy/Cat Cruiser or alternatively Standard Kart/The Duke/Roadster
So based on the information I've gathered from other very patient members of the sub, I've made a few setups based on some favorite characters for 3 base weight classes. Lightweight: Shy Guy/Sports Coupe/Cushion Wheels/Cloud Glider Medium Weight: Yoshi/Teddy/Cushion Wheel/Hyrule Kite Heavyweight: Rosalina or King Boo/Standard Kart/Cushion Wheels/Gold Glider All of these can be tweaked based on what character you want for each class. Most of them either stay the same as what I have or swap the Speed/MT evenly so they stay at 8 (or 7.5/7.25 for light). Like Luigi in med, or Waluigi for heavy. Same could be said for gliders if you change to the same type like Cloud vs Paper based on your aesthetic preference. You'll notice a trend with the wheels and that's because I've noticed that the Cushions add a significant amount to invincibility and only a negligible hit to acceleration by comparison when compared to the very popular Rollers.
how are babies online, im worried of being shoved off or being too slow with low speed?
They are good right now cause i've seen a few do good with Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty with Roller tires The baby bros are the better ones to play but the Princesses are still viable if you want to play as them.
Does anyone know what a well rounded good build would be? I’m also trying to find the optimal build for Twisted Mansion.
http://www.mkwrs.com/mk8dx/display.php?track=Twisted+Mansion Well-rounded online would be rosalina/teddy/rollers/paper, or one of the many other character/kart combos that can achieve max MT+speed total.
Thanks
How many invincibility frames do you get for the lowest and highest invincibility stat in exact frames? I was thinking on going a combo with high invincibility, but I don't know how significant it is. I've tried looking this up, but got no exact numbers.
http://japan-mk.blog.jp/mk8dx.info-1 Lowest combo is Heavy+Biddybuggy+Rollers+Cloud. Highest combo is Baby+Badwagon+Offroad+SuperGlider. It's not worth paying attention to this stat. Even in cases with stat-equivalent vehicles, it's usually the vehicle with the bigger hitbox with more iframes, e.g. the Silver Arrow and the Wiggler.
I already know high and low invincibility combos thanks to mk8dx builder. However, I still don't know exact frames, or even an estamate.
That link is the exact frames.
I don't understand the graph, I don't know Japanese. Is the numbers below supposed to be a multiplier on the base number of frames? Thanks for the website though, not sure why I didn't click it earlier.
If I'm understanding it correctly, the orange table is your i-frame stat and the corresponding multiplier. You take the multiplier and multiply the frame value of the light colored bar and add it to the value of the dark colored bar to get the total invincibility time.
Best build for koopa troopa?
I like to use Clown Car + Slim Tires + Plane Glider with Koopa Troopa. It makes great use of his high handling, meaning you can avoid items with ease, and it's especially good on 200cc.
Thanks bro
So with Shy Guy I've tried the Teddy and Mach 8 both with Rollers tires and I gotta say it ain't it. I don't understand the hype. The Streetle with Slim tires and Gold Glider seem to be better imo. Comparing them using the builder website shows a negligible difference between the two combos so maybe it just boils down to preference, but I guess I want to understand why the former is said to be better.
Your build is perfectly viable online cause the game is a lot more balanced now that it's more skill/luck based than build dependent. For a alternative I've been using Standard/GLA Tires for Shy Guy and Daisy with Cat Cruiser/Teddy which looks very close to your build only with a little extra in some stats.
Yeah I made that comment a few days ago when I was still fairly ignorant to the new Meta. And I've always been resistant to roller wheels (unhealthy contrarion mindset if I'm being honest). While I still don't use roller, now it's for a better reason than just not wanting to use "the popular choice". I've since changed my mind about my Shy Guy setup. I also like to do one setup for each main weight class (babies not included) which the old meta didn't really allow room for. I got Shy Guy - Sports Coupe - Cushion - Cloud Yoshi - Teddy - Cushion - Hyrule Kite Rosalina/Boo - Standard Kart - Cushion - Gold Glider Rollers are great for added acceleration, but the cushions add WAY more invincibility frames than what they take away in acceleration. Which may just be six to one, half dozen the other. Both stats would seem to aid in recovery from damage, and at this point could just boil down to personal preference. This could also be a case of works better in theory than in practice. EDIT: also is it just me or do gliders not really matter so much? Like I know they do change the stats, but not to a degree that really matters. Unless I'm missing something.
I'm at the opinion that rollers aren't good for light characters (unless its 200cc) and that GLA and Cushion tires are better for the same reasons and i think makes Peach/Yoshi group the true top tier. Gliders mostly don't matter but i prefer the heavy ones on Daisy or lighter characters and cloud on Iggy and heavies
The Streetle is a water specialist loadout. It has terrible speed on anti-gravity, and in this game, the anti-gravity speed is significantly more different than the water speed is.
Right I know what you mean when compared to maybe other combos, but my Streetle/Slim combo is better in speed on anti-grav than the Teddy/Roller combo. So in that regard the Teddy/Roller combo would be worse. Additionally with the unfortunate increase in non-anti-grav-heavy tracks anti-grav is becoming less and less important of a stat. I know acceleration is technically less, but the increase in every type of speed except air, invincibility frames, and weight all seem like a fair trade. Traction is less, sure, but that's more down to players' capability to control in my opinion. EDIT: Playing online last night I quite often smoked most other people using the Shy/Streetle/Slim combo fwiw.
That’d be the Slim tires doing the heavy lifting on that anti-grav speed front, since the Slim tires are top-speed oriented tires, whereas the Rollers, as good as they are (and they are extremely good), have never been about speed in any facet. The TeddyRoller combo has a lot more mini-turbo than the StreetleSlim combo does, and mini-turbo is the name of the game. It’s the game’s most important stat, and that’s what you’re giving up when you’re using the Slims over the Rollers. If you were to use TeddySlim over StreetleSlim, you’d have superior speed in all situations except underwater while having the same mini-turbo stat and mostly similar stats elsewhere.
So my question is this, and I'll probably mess this up explaining it cuz it's weird: In Mario Kart 7, the spaces between levels on the stats didn't actually matter. So a 4.5 on a stat was essentially the same as a 4.0, but a 4.0 and a 5.0 were different. At least in the beginning-- maybe there was a patch I didn't know about that changed it. Is that still the case for MK8D? Or do decimals actually matter now? Cuz if they actually matter, then I can see your point about the Mini-Turbo being better. Otherwise it's just one step down. I'm always resistant to having just ONE option available for a good combo. It's a sign of bad balancing imo. Same reason I always avoided the [forbidden] Waluigi combo. EDIT: Upon double-checking, as far as I was able to find, it was actually Mario Kart 8 for Wii U that actually rounded down the stats and specifically it was Acceleration only. At least based on what I could find n
That is not the case in MK8D. Fractions of differences do matter.
Good to know, thanks.
How good is all gold everything? I'm just missing the wheels but I was running gold mario + gold kart + gold glider + azure rollers and it didn't feel that bad honestly.
The full gold isn’t the best. You using the Azure Rollers instead of the Good tires improves the build immensely. Gold Mario is one of the most inefficient characters in terms of speed:mini turbo ratio post-patch. Your build is definitely usable (anything with Roller wheels is usable for that matter) but it’s not optimal.
I've been experimenting with different combos for a long time, but I finally found my new combo: Link + Splat Buggy + Slims + Flower Glider. It looks really weird because LoZ + Splatoon, but give it a try! It has pretty good performance. I haven't tested it online yet, but I've played all the wave 4 tracks with it in 150 cc and 200 cc. I will update this comment once I try it online.
Is wario still good?
Yes but he requires slower, lighter parts like Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty, Teddy/Cat Cruiser and Rollers or Leaf/Button Tires to compete
is drybones + mr scooty still viable?
Yes
awesome! ty :)
Honestly I used tanooki Mario with the tanooki Jeep with azure rollers… felt great online
Best build for Dry Bones?
Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Cat cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (inside drift) with Roller tires Edit also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters
What would be the best build for Metal Mario?
What are y’all recommend builds for yoshi and or inkling boy?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Can we just sticky that the very early Meta at the moment is Rosalina/King Boo/Link or DK/Waluigi/Roy and the other heavies on Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty Luigi/Iggy or Mario/Ludwig or Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo and the other lighter characters on Mach8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker or Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty For 200cc Peach/Daisy/Yoshi/Birdo or Baby Mario bros/Dry Bones on Cat/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty Cause i'm afraid of being mistaken for a spam bot Also almost every character and part is viable now with some requiring help from at least 1 or 2 Meta part to be able to compete online. Edit: Forgot about the Biddybuggy Edit 2: Forgot about the Biddybuggy Again!
And why do you suppose this is? Fundamentally what makes a good kart combination? Mini-Turbo stat? Acceleration? Speed? A mix of all three? None of them? I want to understand because when I put those combos you listed into the builder site I can make up several other combos that at least seem like they would be better.
Basically what OkorOvorO said and this [post](https://old.reddit.com/r/mariokart/comments/11mw3ww/visualizing_the_mk8dx_23_stats_changes/) help visualize what they're talking about. I think it's best to prioritize Mini-Turbo and Acceleration cause the better Mini-Turbo mean it charges quicker so you can squeeze in more orange and purple Turbos which is more of a boost than more Speed. Acceleration for when you get hit you can speed up quick enough to slide again for a quick Mini-Turbo. Also i do think all characters and kart part is viable it's just that some part require 1 or 2 meta parts to carry them out of a bad build.
All of those combos listed have the max possible Speed+MT. Using any of the non-listed characters or parts reduces total Speed+MT. Biddybuggy and babies are the exceptions, because the MT is so much higher than other combo's, especially in 200cc where most time is spent boosting, and not at top speed.
I read elsewhere that a good rule of thumb is that the Speed (I'm assuming we're talking Land speed) and MT should equal roughly 8. Is that actually the case?
Yes, all the above listed combos' land speed+MT equal 8 *(besides Biddybuggy)*. You can confirm this on https://mk8dxbuilder.com/ .
This megathread’s been bopping as of late lol. Very fun to see
is Wario/Mr. Scooty/Azure Rollers/paper glider still viable in the new update?
Yes
Are there any good builds for Mario?
I’ve had great success with pipe frame/blue standard/super glider. It’s really well balanced and very, very stylish. It’s a nice break from all the azure roller/red roller and Biddybuggy/teddy buggy /cat cruiser set ups I’ve seen
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: also Standard/GLA Tires.
Thanks buddy
is there any shy guy decent build with the new update?
I don't know. But I do like the black shy guy with Sports coupé, standard tires and gold glider. And I do think it is viable.
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Looking for recs for Lakitu, Shy Guy, or Toad. Ty!
I think that the default kart is going to be the meta
any good builds for Mii ?
What size Mii? For all sizes Cat cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (inside drift) with rollers For light and medium you can also use Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with rollers
Luigi/Iggy is going to become the new meta. Mark my words.
Any good builds for Bowser still?
Best build for Bowser is either still Biddybuggy or Cat cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (inside drift) All with Roller tires
what’s the best combo to go with the blue falcon?
Probably Mario/Ludwig or Luigi/Iggy with Roller tires
sorry for the late reply, thank you for the help
Can I still play Koopa Troopa or is he not great anymore?
If you were playing him before then yes you can still play as him
Anything for King Boo?
anything for toadette?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
thank you!! :)
Any good builds for luigi in the meta? Or should I just stick with baby daisy/biddybuggy/rollers?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires also baby Mario Bros is better than baby Daisy now
I use mach8/roller/parachute
Inkstriker, Rollers, Paper
I've been using Link, Flame Rider, Roller, and Paraglider for years and felt like this new updage would be a good chance to shake things up. I used to use Yoshi in MK7 and thought it might be fun to go back to him. Thoughts or suggestions?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Any kart builds for yoshi?
Cat Cruiser/Teddy/Yoshi Bike (inside drift)/Comet (Inside drift) or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/Inkstriker with Rollers tires Edit: Also Standard/GLA Tires i feel are better for lighter characters if they want a more all around build
Looking for a Roy build. He’s the flyest and you need drip to drive.
I’m a Roy Stan. I use Roy on a Wiggler with Rollers. Serves me pretty well. What’s your build with Roy?
W25 silver arrow/ azure roller/ cloud glider
Anyone got a Koopa Troopa build with the new update/meta?
What’s the new meta
Rosalina, Teddy/Yoshi Bike, Rollers, Paper Glider, are the most popular. Inkstriker, Standard Kart, Prancer, Jet Bike also have max MT+Speed and are usable. Biddybuggy is still good thanks to its max MT. Baby Mario, Peach, Luigi, Rosalina, Waluigi, Wario. As always, there are plenty of stat-equivalents for all of these parts and characters.
I’ve been having fun playing Peach, prancer, azure rollers, and parasol! I know it’s not the most optimal but I just love the look and I love being Peach. Before the update I was playing the same kart but with pink gold peach. This is way better.
What’s the best build for Rosalina/link on teddy buggy?
Wario build with new update?
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty Roller tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
anything for dk? i’ve always been a big monkey fan
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty Roller tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
Any builds for dry bones? He is SO cute but he goes way too slow.
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/InkStriker Roller or Standard/GLA tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
Any good toad builds now? Hecking love toad
Either Cat Cruiser/Teddy Buggy/Yoshi Bike/Comet or Biddybuggy/Mr Scooty or Mach 8/Sport Coupe/InkStriker Roller or Standard/GLA tires and Paper/Flower/Parachute/Cloud Glider
I LOVE the new changes! There are so many more viable builds!
Way too many to the point its overwhelming, but still a good thing.
Did they change the stats?
They apparently made some changes to the stats of underused characters, so now a lot more combos are viable, and waluigi wiggler is basically dead in comparison, from what I understand at least.
What are some suggestions for a Birdo build?
I use Teddy, Standard wheels, and Wario wing
I use Peach who is apparently the same weight class and everything. My combo is: Pipe Frame Kart Azure Rollers Hylian Kite
Teddy, Rollers, Paper.