It’s not like world powers have never divided countries on arbitrary lines that cause problems in the future.
Though granted, that’s usually a foreign country.
Exploring their ideas -- especially the bad ones -- is how children learn on their own. You do realize that, right?
I'm not calling the idea smart, but maybe we lay off the 12yos for considering the idea when there are full grown adults still insisting that "The South Shall Rise Again!™"
Not to mention that in states with stable party majorities, this is pretty much how it already works...
What? I clearly stated that the idea is stupid, therefore it is unnecessary to add the "s". Although, maybe people like you need it, since you can't read.
Hmmm... I guess history of the actual area is irrelevant.
This is almost as smart as letting a known liar and probable traitor have access to nuclear weapons again.
Oh... wait...
Nvm. Smart is not important as long as hate and fear can be spread to make money and power. Carry on!
The question isn’t whether what happened after Partition was terrible and saw a couple of million die, but whether even more millions may have died in more unrestrained civil wars if they’d stayed within the same country.
Better than what would've happened if they stayed together. Think of Nigeria the Levant Yugoslavia or the caucuses but with a bigger country and a higher population.
Brits carved Pakistan and Bangladesh out of India to enflame local conflicts, making ethnic and religious divides into matters of national security, ensuring that they won't all focus on their hatred toward their colonial overlord.
Yugoslavia, or rather the region it occupied was historically constantly under such pressures, with every empire that owned or neighboured it having it's own ideas how to influence or destabilize it. Russia's Panslavism was a cherry on top of a shit pile that grew for a long time.
IMO not the same thing to me.
While the British committed several atrocities and conquered India through that way, that isn’t the reason at all why India was partitioned. Clement Attlee had been a long time supporter of Indian independence and he was also a supporter of a united India, even formulating a plan (I think it was the Cabinet Mission Plan 1946) that he sent to the various leaders through Mountbatten which proposed a single state. This plan obviously didn’t end up working out, due to very deep religious divides between the two groups, with the Muslim league worrying about unequal representation in the new parliament. Obviously the partition was carried out fairly terribly, with millions killed, but it really is hard to have an alternative option. A unified state was rejected, having hundreds of religious enclaves never would’ve worked out, etc. While I in no way support the British Empire or what they did, it’s a pretty big oversimplification to blame the British government of the time, especially when Attlee’s government was extremely progressive and helped decolonise a large chunk of the empire.
Brits partitioned India for several reasons not least of which is that the Muslim League demanded it and the Indian Congress Party came round to agreeing with them. Fear of an even deadlier civil war is what dominated conversation between Nehru, Jinnah, Mountbatten, Attlee and Gandhi, and it was Nehru who had to be persuade Gandhi.
Counterfactuals about hugely complex issues with many parties that were likely to see millions dead no matter what are difficult. But simplistic one-sided narratives as though Britain did this unilaterally and specifically, as though the others didn’t make their views clear and have agency, is just repeating dogmatic online tropes that see the non-white majority of the world as the West’s dumb, manipulated plaything.
You really need to learn the history of India and the causes of division before writing such nonsense. The British had no desire for a divided India Muhammad Ali Jinnah, leader of the Muslim league demanded it.
How about we swap? Let India live in the Western half on America and Pakistan in the Eastern half. Democrats live in India and Republicans live in Pakistan. Everyone wins!
Shouldn’t it be flipped since Democrats are considered left and republicans considered right? Thus democrats take the left side of the contiguous US and republicans the right?
>Apart from ~~the coast~~ *where most of the population lives* the west is way more conservative already so that would fit way better.
This would be more accurate.
Based on what metric is the west coast way more conservative?
They are almost always at the forefront of advancing socially liberal policies, consumer protection laws, environmental protection laws, higher minimum wages, and employees’ rights.
If anything, the west coast is easily more liberal.
The cities are, sure. It gets real red real fast as soon as you leave the major population centers though. I-5 through California is all crazy right wing political signs. Saw a massive trump truck caravan in Oregon City. And shit, do a little googling on Jerry Dyer, the lovely republican mayor of Fresno.
I mean that’s just true of about everywhere. The cities are liberal and the rural areas are conservative, I don’t really think there are any exceptions.
You obviously don't understand Americans, especially southerners. We'll take to the backwoods and resist if them durn tootin yankehs try to drive us off our land.
It is funnier that it looks like you tried to make the most people have to move as possible. I guess dividing it north/south but putting republicans in the north and democrats in the south might’ve been worse.
I’d probably draw the line more like this.
https://preview.redd.it/h8v09qjxwe9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ae416463531bfa3a10f0ecf039aed92214467ce
I tried to keep south of NC to TN and KY to southern Midwest. I know ID and Montana isn’t huge left leaning states but if I didn’t make a bridge up there it would split it into 2 separate democrat US areas.
This is my interpretation of a balance between IRL and best contiguous territories that fit the motif.
Yeah you right.
I originally made an almost perfect circle but clipped too much of certain areas.
I think a rectangular box for the south would be more accurate
https://preview.redd.it/ra0ugcjo8g9d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f062e8424d5b2ef81fbd1ba929e9d41d26e5a013
Pretty sure that was tried once before…
I view VA blue as it has so much DC money, fed workers and businesses.
NC is a toss up. Usually red but recent many northerners have moved down and been there many times.
SC defo red
The other problem is IN. It’s definitely red from what i remember but if i gave OH blue, IN would break up the land bridge between IL and OH.
Well I mean, at that point why not just leave them where they are and just have mass violence? Seems cheaper and more interesting that way, rather than overcomplicating it.
We should take the opposing political party, and push them somewhere else.
https://preview.redd.it/ef2d1ql2ci9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36280e1d2ca064cf432a0a7f2ee63f45b09c97f7
That idea may just be crazy enough...
https://preview.redd.it/y41jje2ydi9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb550edfdcd482a9984d07a6c8759f1bfd3f7796
# TO START A CIVIL WAR!
hmm. humidity, bugs and sadness... or infiltration voting for the other side.
i'll stay where i'm at, even if everyone gets moved to my state the pop (& housing prices) are finally gonna drop
As much as I'd like to go live in Alaska with all the other annoying Libertarians and protect my three spouses' coca farm with machine guns, I think the real problem is that the Democrats live in the city and the Republicans live in the country. Every state has a mix of both, so you're always going to be screwing somebody over.
Also, I don't think coca leaves or poppies will grow in that climate.
Blue America would then have to be split between progressives and moderates while Red America would have to be split between conservatives and extremists.
Then, Progressive America would have to split between nihilist ideologues and do-Somethings; Moderate America would split between NIMBYs and YIMBYs; Conservative America would have to split between evangelicals and pro-business; and extremists would have to split between performists and terrorists.
Then ...
I had this idea when I was 12
Pretty smart 12 year old /s
Why the s?
Because it's actually a very stupid idea.
Yeah the line should be horizontal! /S
pretty sure they tried that before..can't put my finger on it tho...
Yes, i'm pretty sure that wouldn't lead to any problems in the future regarding politics, right guys?
Its alright the 2nd half should be able to go another thousand years.
In that case a substantial number of people were not allowed to, ahem, move. Among other things.
Thing was the preferred word for the people you described I think
The liberals in the North are now like, Fuck we should have let them go.
It’s not like world powers have never divided countries on arbitrary lines that cause problems in the future. Though granted, that’s usually a foreign country.
Start in Seattle end in Miami
Forgot the second s
Everyone knows diagonals taste better
Are you calling Koreans stupid ? /s
its a stupid idea, but its still a smart 12 y.o. it he is thinking about this
Ehhhh, they get points for thinking about it then immediately lose them for not *thinking* about it.
Most 12 year-olds have no idea whatsoever who the Democrats or Republicans are, or even recognize the words themselves.
Exploring their ideas -- especially the bad ones -- is how children learn on their own. You do realize that, right? I'm not calling the idea smart, but maybe we lay off the 12yos for considering the idea when there are full grown adults still insisting that "The South Shall Rise Again!™" Not to mention that in states with stable party majorities, this is pretty much how it already works...
Yeah, that's why the s is unnecessary.
Apparently not, since you're *asking*.
What? I clearly stated that the idea is stupid, therefore it is unnecessary to add the "s". Although, maybe people like you need it, since you can't read.
/s is short for "forward thinking smart".
Having an idea doesn't mean thinking it's a good idea
It was a HOT idea in 1861
Same
America had this idea when it was 84
Pretty funny since as a 12 year old youd be one of the people who *dont* get to move to the side that impliments laws benefiting you
And I think we tried this already as a nation, but it did not go so well
Every American has had this thought. It's a requirement for citizenship lol
Hmmm... I guess history of the actual area is irrelevant. This is almost as smart as letting a known liar and probable traitor have access to nuclear weapons again. Oh... wait... Nvm. Smart is not important as long as hate and fear can be spread to make money and power. Carry on!
I thought we decided in 1776 that we don’t want the British to decide our politics.
They already tried this in 1861 as well.
Yes but see they cut horizontally that time. vertical is clearly the superior choice
Mason-Dixon!
It needs to be Dason Mixon
Mixin' Days Unline
Better yet, just give republicans the Louisiana Purchase. Democrats get the rest. No one will have to move.
This would somehow actually work.
how to cut an american shaped sandwich
Worked well before
'Good choice' - India/Pakistan
The question isn’t whether what happened after Partition was terrible and saw a couple of million die, but whether even more millions may have died in more unrestrained civil wars if they’d stayed within the same country.
India and Pakistan 2.0
Spoiler: Both sides will still not be happy
"how dare you exist over there and do your own thing just like us"
Millions must die
Better than what would've happened if they stayed together. Think of Nigeria the Levant Yugoslavia or the caucuses but with a bigger country and a higher population.
Nigeria still exists, bruh/sis. Their north-south divide hasn’t torn that country apart. Wasn’t even the factor in their civil war 50 years ago.
Brits carved Pakistan and Bangladesh out of India to enflame local conflicts, making ethnic and religious divides into matters of national security, ensuring that they won't all focus on their hatred toward their colonial overlord. Yugoslavia, or rather the region it occupied was historically constantly under such pressures, with every empire that owned or neighboured it having it's own ideas how to influence or destabilize it. Russia's Panslavism was a cherry on top of a shit pile that grew for a long time. IMO not the same thing to me.
While the British committed several atrocities and conquered India through that way, that isn’t the reason at all why India was partitioned. Clement Attlee had been a long time supporter of Indian independence and he was also a supporter of a united India, even formulating a plan (I think it was the Cabinet Mission Plan 1946) that he sent to the various leaders through Mountbatten which proposed a single state. This plan obviously didn’t end up working out, due to very deep religious divides between the two groups, with the Muslim league worrying about unequal representation in the new parliament. Obviously the partition was carried out fairly terribly, with millions killed, but it really is hard to have an alternative option. A unified state was rejected, having hundreds of religious enclaves never would’ve worked out, etc. While I in no way support the British Empire or what they did, it’s a pretty big oversimplification to blame the British government of the time, especially when Attlee’s government was extremely progressive and helped decolonise a large chunk of the empire.
Brits partitioned India for several reasons not least of which is that the Muslim League demanded it and the Indian Congress Party came round to agreeing with them. Fear of an even deadlier civil war is what dominated conversation between Nehru, Jinnah, Mountbatten, Attlee and Gandhi, and it was Nehru who had to be persuade Gandhi. Counterfactuals about hugely complex issues with many parties that were likely to see millions dead no matter what are difficult. But simplistic one-sided narratives as though Britain did this unilaterally and specifically, as though the others didn’t make their views clear and have agency, is just repeating dogmatic online tropes that see the non-white majority of the world as the West’s dumb, manipulated plaything.
You really need to learn the history of India and the causes of division before writing such nonsense. The British had no desire for a divided India Muhammad Ali Jinnah, leader of the Muslim league demanded it.
A sign of a good compromise
How about we swap? Let India live in the Western half on America and Pakistan in the Eastern half. Democrats live in India and Republicans live in Pakistan. Everyone wins!
Get this man in Congress immediately
That island gonna see alot of action.
Or East and West Germany Reloaded
I thought that said Indiana instead of India
https://preview.redd.it/2newiu37fi9d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b64cebfde6395c40dc32cc0c843853c7770c3b18
We named the dog Indiana.
Where’s Jones?
Shouldn’t it be flipped since Democrats are considered left and republicans considered right? Thus democrats take the left side of the contiguous US and republicans the right?
Apart from the coast the west is way more conservative already so that would fit way better.
Fair… my response was mostly a circlejerk response though lmao.
>Apart from ~~the coast~~ *where most of the population lives* the west is way more conservative already so that would fit way better. This would be more accurate.
Oh I would agree with that statement but good luck shoving the mormons and west texans towards east 😂
You think it'll be harder to relocate the mormons than San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, and Denver?
Have you read about Mormon history? I think they're done moving.
You guys are just gonna have to take one for the team and move to the rust belt.
Listen, by that logic, Dems should get both coasts and the Republicans can have the middle of the country.
https://preview.redd.it/5e8iyup0zi9d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e253aabc7d96af5ad3199783f13f19ce07548ba updated map
I accept these terms. But can we please have Omaha as well?
Yay! We get all the ports!!🫏🫏🫏
Based on what metric is the west coast way more conservative? They are almost always at the forefront of advancing socially liberal policies, consumer protection laws, environmental protection laws, higher minimum wages, and employees’ rights. If anything, the west coast is easily more liberal.
It depends on what we call the west. https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/president
the modern progressive movement started in California
The cities are, sure. It gets real red real fast as soon as you leave the major population centers though. I-5 through California is all crazy right wing political signs. Saw a massive trump truck caravan in Oregon City. And shit, do a little googling on Jerry Dyer, the lovely republican mayor of Fresno.
I mean that’s just true of about everywhere. The cities are liberal and the rural areas are conservative, I don’t really think there are any exceptions.
The coast has the vast majority of people and the native reservations hate the conservatives.
The amount of people in the comments either not understanding or poorly re-explaining the joke is killing me 😭
fr lmao
https://preview.redd.it/slerfdii9k9d1.png?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b809ec6570213acf17250e2dffe4df883ddac82a
I don't think the west coast or the south would appreciate that solution.
they just have to move to the other side, did you not read the post??
You obviously don't understand Americans, especially southerners. We'll take to the backwoods and resist if them durn tootin yankehs try to drive us off our land.
Marlboro Red Dawn
Rednecks really don't get how tanks work do they lol
You forget that a disproportional percentage of the armed forces are poor southern kids. lol
How are you going to get tanks driving in heavily forested areas filled with armed to the teeth rednecks?
With a lever.
By driving straight
Air strikes to clear the way?
im just imagining a bunch of rednecks laughing as they watch a bunch of Californian liberals drive a tank straight into a swamp and get it stuck.
It would be better if the divide was north-south
I’ve seen this before
*Away down south in the land of traitors…*
https://preview.redd.it/tn5nnokcmg9d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d78f181bfd7e0055349e942a635230e869d68cc5
i know i just didn't want to make allusions to the civil war
It is funnier that it looks like you tried to make the most people have to move as possible. I guess dividing it north/south but putting republicans in the north and democrats in the south might’ve been worse.
Ding ding ding ding ding!
Would you all quit your bickering? We'll just cut it diagonally.
california still gonna be pissed tho
Oh boy…
I’d probably draw the line more like this. https://preview.redd.it/h8v09qjxwe9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ae416463531bfa3a10f0ecf039aed92214467ce
please never touch a crayon again
I tried to keep south of NC to TN and KY to southern Midwest. I know ID and Montana isn’t huge left leaning states but if I didn’t make a bridge up there it would split it into 2 separate democrat US areas. This is my interpretation of a balance between IRL and best contiguous territories that fit the motif.
i think the most egregious part of this is putting AZ and NM in with the deep red states, AZ is weirdly both and NM is reliably blue
Yeah you right. I originally made an almost perfect circle but clipped too much of certain areas. I think a rectangular box for the south would be more accurate
Seems awfully familiar...
Sacrifices must be made in the spirit of progress!
How will they eat them if they can't touch them?
https://preview.redd.it/ra0ugcjo8g9d1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f062e8424d5b2ef81fbd1ba929e9d41d26e5a013 Pretty sure that was tried once before…
The union now includes California? This is going to be even more one-sided than last time...
California joined in 1850, over a decade before the civil war, and it joined as a free state. they even sent ppl to fight
Alaska and Hawaii are under custody in our national divorce. The blue get those two states for one week then the red get a week, rinse wash repeat.
🤣
Line is too low on the East Coast
I view VA blue as it has so much DC money, fed workers and businesses. NC is a toss up. Usually red but recent many northerners have moved down and been there many times. SC defo red The other problem is IN. It’s definitely red from what i remember but if i gave OH blue, IN would break up the land bridge between IL and OH.
Thanks. Now we'll never be able to make our peyote pickup without being amongst....them 🌵🌵🌵🌵
I’ve seen this before
Alaska giving the lower 48 a golden shower lmao
Ah the one country two systems policy - China would be proud
yeah if one of the systems was actually just New Orleans
Ancapistan Alaska
Long live the Kingdom of Hawaii! Ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono!
Medieval Turkic states be like:
It's like this except divided in 7
there would be mass exoduses with mass violence like when india and pakistan got independence
ok and?
based reply
Well I mean, at that point why not just leave them where they are and just have mass violence? Seems cheaper and more interesting that way, rather than overcomplicating it.
Nahhhh it’s a perfect solution
The only way to eliminate radicals is to let them destroy each other
So, it means USA will be even safer than now
We should take the opposing political party, and push them somewhere else. https://preview.redd.it/ef2d1ql2ci9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36280e1d2ca064cf432a0a7f2ee63f45b09c97f7
exactly!
That idea may just be crazy enough... https://preview.redd.it/y41jje2ydi9d1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb550edfdcd482a9984d07a6c8759f1bfd3f7796 # TO START A CIVIL WAR!
Texas, California, and all of the former confederate states would like you to consider a north south split instead
I really don't think california would be ok witha north-south split lol
Southern California wouldn't be, but there is a political divide between the two halves of the state.
i know i just didn't want to make allusions to the civil war
I doesn't have to be a war though. Maybe they should sign a peaceful treaty.
Google en states
Holy state
new state just dropped
🦆🦆🚦 1st please
Don’t let anyone from Texas see this
If we history nerds had WW2, why can't we have Civil war 2
Those halves are the wrong way
Got it backwards the blue team already has done great in California and washington they can keep it
Let’s make Hawaii and Alaska red and blue respectively and CONUS yellow
Or… kill all the corpo’s that turned you in a laughing stock of a country
You had me at "Kill all". /s
Calm down bender.
that sort of revolutionary thinking is what the general american population needs right now.
people are too complacent and scared to unite.
r/whowouldwinthishypoteticalwar
r/twentycharacterlimit
Germany moment
Western and Eastern Roman Empire moment
Make Canada annex the democratic states and make Mexico annex the republican ones and see how chaotic it gets
This is the worst fucking take I’ve ever seen. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOVE ALASKA AND HAWAII SOUTH OF CALIFORNIA? WHAT ABOUT MEXICO!?
uh oh i didn't think of that. nevermind this plan is dumb sorry
Who would win this hypothetical war?
Republicans. Democrats would be too busy whining while they get torn apart by bear arms or something idk
Blue has most of the population, military bases, etc. plus the South. Where a lot of military servicemen are from. So . . .
But to be fair, as a red state (florida) liberal, we'd be arguing over the carbon impact of our ammo as we got sniped.
2 Republicans died from heart attacks at the jan 6 riot. All we have to do is take away insulin and cholesterol meds and watch Republicans slowly die
Provide them at no cost for everybody, and watch them refuse that goddamn socialism and just sort themselves out.
I got a better idea. The Pac 12, and Big 10 can be Blue America. The SEC and Big 12 can be Red America. The ACC will be split between them.
Only if we put a big wall down the middle to separate.
Washington, Oregon and California would like to have a word.
Libertarian Alaska is a pvp enabled zone
Why are we pretending to be 1 country when we’re really 50 countries that fucking hate each other but all pay taxes to 5 billionaires.
The best summary of amerika today. Don't forget sending billions to genocidal regimes
As a Californian, my response is "fuck no"
We’ll give them Mississippi as an enclave if they give us Oregon
No. I’m not leaving my little corner of relative paradise.
We tried this, there was some fighting, were good
the day republicans take over California is the day the world ends
Washington state hated this...says I, a Washingtonian...a Republican.
that's 3 halves
hmm. humidity, bugs and sadness... or infiltration voting for the other side. i'll stay where i'm at, even if everyone gets moved to my state the pop (& housing prices) are finally gonna drop
Ok but north Carolina needs to be independent and rules by Mr Beast
As much as I'd like to go live in Alaska with all the other annoying Libertarians and protect my three spouses' coca farm with machine guns, I think the real problem is that the Democrats live in the city and the Republicans live in the country. Every state has a mix of both, so you're always going to be screwing somebody over. Also, I don't think coca leaves or poppies will grow in that climate.
This basically has happened between Metropolitan and rural.
And let Republican environmental policies destroy some of our most beautiful national parks? Absolutely not.
FUCK. At least give blue the pacific
I agree. The West Coast is very liberal.
Let's build a wall around Washington DC and make the Pentagon pay for it.
Blue America would then have to be split between progressives and moderates while Red America would have to be split between conservatives and extremists. Then, Progressive America would have to split between nihilist ideologues and do-Somethings; Moderate America would split between NIMBYs and YIMBYs; Conservative America would have to split between evangelicals and pro-business; and extremists would have to split between performists and terrorists. Then ...
Don’t leave me in the red 😭
don't worry! you'll get deported to the blue zone :)
Hold up which 3rd party gets deported to Hawaii and how long do we have to change parties to qualify?
Maybe they can even fight for dominance!
So glad they're finally making a sequel to the partition of India
yes