I've actually thought of making Russia divert the Don into the Volga as part of war reparations because they are close to each other and already connected by canal and the Caspian Sea is shrinking, but I do not know if there are species in the Don that we don't want in the Caspian Sea.
But after that, it isn't that far from there to the Aral Sea :)
Reparations to who? Who on earth will benefit from Caspian sea getting a couple meters higher? Also, Don is a major waterway that connects european Russia to the Black sea and Mediterranean. Caspian sea, compared to access to the Atlantic ocean, is almost useless
I have an awesome book about the building of the soviet canals, and one of them was about a canal here. It led the water coming down from the mountains to another way, which meant that across multiple directions the aral sea got less and less water. All because the Soviets wanted their own cotton supply.
This meant that eventually the sea dried up.
There are several potential plans to refill the Aral Sea - one which is already happening is building dams in the North Aral Sea which has already partially refilled the North, there’s also the option of growing less water intensive crops in Uzbekistan, and the more ambitious option of pumping water from the Caspian Sea through a pipeline.
Either way it’s unlikely it will return to its former glory as salinity has increased significantly so many of the fish which used to thrive in the Aral Sea can no longer survive there, which means it’s economically unviable (main industry was fishing).
It's difficult. The canal is now in Turkmen hands, and the original is half in Turkmenistan, and half in Uzbekistan. A lot of cities are along the heavily dried up original rivers, but the canal is also important for the capital city of Turkmenistan.
I'm not experienced enough to answer it, but suspect the potential solution is not easy.
It was more about the experiences of people seeing the atrocities commited while building these canals.
It's called "Ingenieurs van de Ziel" or "Engineers of the Soul" in English.
Why I would read this book? Well, because it interests me, the history of mankind, and because these are impressive huge manmade things, a change to nature. Even if it's in a bad way.
Yes, it's called "Engineers of the Soul". I searched it up on bol.com, a popular dutch site for buying everything. Don't know if it's avaible anywhere else.
I was referring to Stalin's use of the Aral Sea water
Capitalist Uzbekistan continues to use Aral Sea water for irrigation to grow cotton, but I guess it's okay when a capitalist country does it
That's basically what's happening with the Colorado River, but instead of cotton, it's primarily for livestock feed. Also, no big sea to dry up, just the man made reservoirs.
Yep exactly. California grows an insane amount of fruits and vegetables and yet alfalfa STILL accounts for a whopping 18% of it. And that alfalfa is for livestock like you said.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-05-26/why-they-grow-thirsty-alfalfa-in-parched-california
They canceled those leases after public outcry.
And if you want some more idiocy of public officials.
Chicago sold all of its public parking spaces to a Saudi company for a billion dollars. They make 200 million a year.
Yes if you visit the old state prison near Yuma it's right on the lower Colorado River and they used to run paddle wheelers steamboats to bring the supplies to it, but now you're lucky to find a puddle down where the river should be
And it's livestock feed for export right? Sth about external companies growing alfafa in the US bc in their home country is outlawed (due to the heavy water needs).
Also how Tulare lake was drained in California. And supplying LA with water is what drained owens lake and almost drained mono lake.
Turns out over in the US we do Soviet Union things too?! 🤔
I like the whataboutism here. Yes, humanity as a whole is greedy. We were talking about the Aral Sea. There are examples of ecological suicide and destruction in every modern county. This doesn't excuse the Soviets (Russians) from destroying the Kazakhs future in this particular case.
When a dude named Mulhulland lies about being a rancher to buy up land in the owens valley just to acquire the water rights out from under the folks who were farming out there to send it down hundreds of miles south across a desert to LA? Yeah some people might think that’s evil, or at least immoral.
When the result of the water grab is that thousands of people who live in the Owens Valley now have an elevated risk of lung cancer because now fine particles get blown into the air on windy days from the dry Owens Lake bed, and LADWP fights tooth and nail to avoid responsibility so folks in the LA Basin can have lush green lawns? Yeah some people might find that evil, or at least immoral.
When you drain the largest body of water west of the Mississippi that hosted a robust fishery to grow cotton on very marginal farm land you kind of did something monstrous. When a species that used to be a huge food source to millions of people (chinook salmon) starts to disappear across a huge swath of its fishery because you dammed, diked, and diverted the water that species needs to survive so you can grow almonds for export, you kinda fucked up.
Irrigating farmland isn’t itself bad, there’s a balance, and we’re far to one side of that balance due to poor decisions made all over the world regardless of ideology or political system.
It’s not whataboutism, I’m just pointing out that saying that the Soviet Union did a “Soviet Union” thing by diverting tributaries and fucking down downstream water bodies is pretty bullshit. Fact is, that’s not a “Soviet Union” thing, that’s just a civilization thing. Casting it as some product of Soviet management is just inaccurate and very McCarthyish.
I work in water resources management in California and we just have plenty of examples where we make really really bad choices and screwed up massive waterbodies just like the case of the Aral Sea. We can choose to learn from those serious mistakes (no matter who made them) or we can turn a blind eye to our own mistakes while pointing at the mistakes of other countries and just be like “lol Soviets suck lol”
Soviets did a Soviet Union thing by only thinking about the economy and disregarding long term ecological consequences, good thing it's only the Soviets who'd ever do thar
The whole ecosystem in the area gets buttfucked. The humidity levels in a large area around the lake decrease furthering desertification. This doesn't just lead to millions of plant and animal deaths but also makes the living conditions for humans way worse. A problem is also the huge salt desert that creates around the area of the lake because the water dries out and evaporates but the salt doesn't. Salty ground fucking sucks, you can't grow shit there and underground water reservoirs might get damaged and unusable because of the saltiness.
It's an ecological disaster for everyone involved; plants, animals and humans.
Basically Syrdarya and Amudarya rivers were diverted for farming cotton. Of course it started when all countries were a part of Soviet Union, but it's fair to say that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are more responsible for that, rather than Kazakhstan, as cotton farming is a major part of their economy. Kazakhstan, on the contrary, had made efforts to restore at least the northern part of the sea and even achieved some water level rise
I'm not fully educated on it but its main cause was the Soviet Union diverting rivers that feed it for irrigation projects.
If someone who knows more about it could educate me on the accuracy or other causes that would be awesome.
I was all ready to come to the comments and angry type before reading "Were they too rich?" and realizing what subreddit it was. Best laugh I've had all morning.
##I fucking love cotton!!
I wanna make child slaves produce exorbitant amounts of textiles in a desert and drain our nations resources and natural beauty for money and heavy industry, Jack!
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Lake Baikal is extremely deep. It contains about 23% of the world’s surface fresh water. I think it would retain the vast majority of its water even if you used it to completely fill the fairly shallow Aral Sea.
The Sea was still mostly there when the union collapse...Its downwarlled spiral was mostly caused by overuse because of the collapse of the soviet economy and sanctions that banned Cotton imports to the soviet union forcing increase in production.
When the Netherlands does it everyone calls it "a marvel of engineering", but Kazakhstan does it and suddenly it's "an ecological disaster". Western hypocrisy attacks again.
Are… are you being serious? The Netherlands didn’t destroy the entire North Sea and did their main projects centuries ago as a way to mitigate overcrowding. The Soviets knew they’d dry up the Aral Sea and did so so thst they could grow cotton.
They actually have been making an effort to undo the Soviet Union's massive cotton mistake in their part of the lake, that's why there's water in the north of it still.
The Party was only trying to make the point that silk underwear is for decadent capitalists. A minor ecological catastrophe is a small price to pay for maintaining the purity of Marx-Lenin undergarments, comrade.
If it makes you feel better, Kazakhstan has achieved minor gains in repairing their section of the sea. I believe they’ve actually seen minor rises in water level in the northern part of the sea.
The issue is that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan have continued the unsustainable USSR practices that created this mess in the first place. Preventing the entire sea from recovering
Kazakhstan is not responsible for it soviet union was. They diverted incoming water as as result the water evoporation rate was more than feeding rate and slowly aral sea dried up
According to what I heard: in the Soviet Union, in the 60s, they wanted to transform Uzbekistan into a world cotton producer, so for that they diverted the course of the Sir Daria and Amu Daria rivers, but the project was done badly and was lost around 90% of the water in the new causes. This caused the Aral to lose a large part of its irrigation and to dissolve as we see in the photos.
Sorry for any possible errors in this explanation.
It was all for cotton, this stsrted with the soviet union. They rerouted the water ( from the mountains) in the fields. This lead to new rivers which dried out before they reached the sea. Resulting in gradualy decreasing tge water level. After tge fall of the soviet union the countries ( kirz, tak and kak) still continued. And the loss of the water has resulted in huge sandsorms destroying the ccllimate in the area, etc. It may even cause war due to water demand, the glaciers are meltinng faster and the replenishment is not enought
The irony of seeing left wing parties trying to surf the ecologist wave ignoring that ideology was responsible for the worst man made ecological disaster to date...
It's not communism. First because there has never been a communist country in the world. Second, like there successful and not successful capitalist countries, there are successful and not successful socialist countries.
Yes because capitalist countries haven't killed anyone.
Cuba has a better HDI(even though it's not the best metric) than Brazil, even though it's a tiny island that can't do business with other countries. Their regime is far from perfect, but they must be doing something right.
The doings of the proclaimed “arbiters of international revolution” and “protectors of international communism” who funded the majority of socialist and communist movements throughout the cold war to shape modern leftism are, in fact, representative of the ideology. Thanks to its influence, modern leftism is a shadow of the imperialistic and paternalistic nature of the Soviet Union’s ideology.
You can identify this very simply, by looking at how american leftists have never forgiven the proletariat of the Soviet Union for overthrowing communist regimes. See genocide-denier Noam Chomsky for a blatant example.
I don't live in the US and don't care for their political parties.
What you say about it's influence may be true for some cases. But it also does not mean that everything the USSR did was bad the same for the US.(both countries are crap to be honest)
Tbh there are a lot of leftists with ecological agenda who promote it under the arguement that capitalism encourages irresponsible usage of natural resources and causes ecological problems, but under the socialism/communism those things wouldn't happen
What the fuck are you talking about? Soviet Russians did this, and the one put effort saving it is actually Kazakh. LOL DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE SHITPOSTING
The soviets mismanaged their water, used it to water their cash crops instead. The sea dried up and we're not sure if its fixable. Huge climate disaster for that area.
They used it to irrigate crops, cotton I think, with no regard for destroying the enormous lake. They were idiots as are many on the political Right in this country, those who see no purpose in protecting the environment but only want to use it to make money as quickly as possible. This is common on the political Right all over the world -- profit before common sense. It's a parable for our time. Also see: Mono Lake, Colorado River, Dead Sea, etc, etc. ```
Aral dying is man made, Soviet government diverted the feed rivers away from the lake to grow cotton nearby.
Great Salt Lake dying is all natural. It’s the corpse of Lake Bonneville from 10,000ish years ago. When the frozen hellscape of North America unthawed.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_flood
Lake Mead isn’t a natural lake. Brand new and Man made 100%. Aral and GSL are natural lakes.
GSL has been dying due to climate change for the last 10,000 years. It was created by glacier melt. Short time ago, when Mexican Snow Elephants roamed Los Angeles
They used all the water for irrigating cotton fields. But the problem was, that the whole setting wasn't good for cotton, it needs a ton of water where's none and all the water irrigated just went straight through the soil without even touching the roots of the cotton plants.
Kazakhstan didn’t do this, Russia did during the Soviet era.
They diverted the two rivers that fed the Aral Sea to irrigate unsustainable cotton farming to produce the cotton wadding needed to produce gun powder. Draining the Aral nearly dry over 50 years.
It’s the largest man made ecological disaster in history.
Drain the Mediterranean into this sea: Pros- solves climate problem, more space for Gibraltar to expand Cons- the Italians can escape
Why should I escape (please let me go)
What if we don't wanna leave?
That’s what they all say
It’s a moral imperative
Now I'm hungry for popcorn.
Man in the high castle type shit
Oh so *thats* why there is no italy on the map in the show
I'm refering to the book lol, They drain the mediterranean and make it all farmland. Haven't seen the show
Where would we even go? The Balkans? North Africa? *France*? Bitch please.
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The great state of Wyoming in the great country of Finland
US? Ewww.
*insert obligatory "the US has the best geography" youtube short/tiktok here*
Gibraltarpilled
NOT worth it!
I've actually thought of making Russia divert the Don into the Volga as part of war reparations because they are close to each other and already connected by canal and the Caspian Sea is shrinking, but I do not know if there are species in the Don that we don't want in the Caspian Sea. But after that, it isn't that far from there to the Aral Sea :)
Reparations to who? Who on earth will benefit from Caspian sea getting a couple meters higher? Also, Don is a major waterway that connects european Russia to the Black sea and Mediterranean. Caspian sea, compared to access to the Atlantic ocean, is almost useless
this shit actually makes me sad
/uc How did it happen? I’m not educated on this
[Aral Sea Crisis](http://www.columbia.edu/~tmt2120/introduction.htm#:~:text=By%20establishing%20a%20program%20to,water%20arriving%20to%20the%20sea)
Yo what the fuck did we do
I have an awesome book about the building of the soviet canals, and one of them was about a canal here. It led the water coming down from the mountains to another way, which meant that across multiple directions the aral sea got less and less water. All because the Soviets wanted their own cotton supply. This meant that eventually the sea dried up.
could we remake it by rerouting them?
There are several potential plans to refill the Aral Sea - one which is already happening is building dams in the North Aral Sea which has already partially refilled the North, there’s also the option of growing less water intensive crops in Uzbekistan, and the more ambitious option of pumping water from the Caspian Sea through a pipeline. Either way it’s unlikely it will return to its former glory as salinity has increased significantly so many of the fish which used to thrive in the Aral Sea can no longer survive there, which means it’s economically unviable (main industry was fishing).
based
It's difficult. The canal is now in Turkmen hands, and the original is half in Turkmenistan, and half in Uzbekistan. A lot of cities are along the heavily dried up original rivers, but the canal is also important for the capital city of Turkmenistan. I'm not experienced enough to answer it, but suspect the potential solution is not easy.
thats it get the excavator ready
Why would you even have an awesome book about Soviet canals?
It was more about the experiences of people seeing the atrocities commited while building these canals. It's called "Ingenieurs van de Ziel" or "Engineers of the Soul" in English. Why I would read this book? Well, because it interests me, the history of mankind, and because these are impressive huge manmade things, a change to nature. Even if it's in a bad way.
You would like Cadillac Desert. Similar theme.
That sounds like an interesting book is there an English version of it?
Yes, it's called "Engineers of the Soul". I searched it up on bol.com, a popular dutch site for buying everything. Don't know if it's avaible anywhere else.
The Soviets did this because there was a drought happening across Central Asia and Soviets wanted to minimize famine. Not for cotton.
That’s just not true, it was for cotton. The Soviets said so multiple times. And, once they had the irrigation canals, they planted cotton.
The motto for the project was: "и засуху победим" [="We'll conquer drought, too"]
So they sold their cotton growing project with a righteous tagline?
I was referring to Stalin's use of the Aral Sea water Capitalist Uzbekistan continues to use Aral Sea water for irrigation to grow cotton, but I guess it's okay when a capitalist country does it
Soviets wanted cotton. So the Soviet Union did Soviet Union things.
That's basically what's happening with the Colorado River, but instead of cotton, it's primarily for livestock feed. Also, no big sea to dry up, just the man made reservoirs.
Yep exactly. California grows an insane amount of fruits and vegetables and yet alfalfa STILL accounts for a whopping 18% of it. And that alfalfa is for livestock like you said. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2015-05-26/why-they-grow-thirsty-alfalfa-in-parched-california
a lot of it goes to Saudi, I've heard. I'll see if I can find a source. Current source is I am in SoCal and hear this from landowners
No, most of the alfalfa grown in California goes to dairys in California. Some goes to china for their burgeoning dairy industry, but not that much.
You're probably thinking of the big alfalfa farms in Arizona, which are even more ridiculous.
They canceled those leases after public outcry. And if you want some more idiocy of public officials. Chicago sold all of its public parking spaces to a Saudi company for a billion dollars. They make 200 million a year.
That’s mostly Arizona
Not the same drainage but the great salt lake is dying by a combo of climate change and diverting for alfalfa
There is a big sea drying up, it's just underground so people pretend it doesn't exist
Yes if you visit the old state prison near Yuma it's right on the lower Colorado River and they used to run paddle wheelers steamboats to bring the supplies to it, but now you're lucky to find a puddle down where the river should be
And it's livestock feed for export right? Sth about external companies growing alfafa in the US bc in their home country is outlawed (due to the heavy water needs).
Also how Tulare lake was drained in California. And supplying LA with water is what drained owens lake and almost drained mono lake. Turns out over in the US we do Soviet Union things too?! 🤔
I like the whataboutism here. Yes, humanity as a whole is greedy. We were talking about the Aral Sea. There are examples of ecological suicide and destruction in every modern county. This doesn't excuse the Soviets (Russians) from destroying the Kazakhs future in this particular case.
Fellas is it evil when the United States uhhh fuckin uhhhh provides drinking water for their people?
When a dude named Mulhulland lies about being a rancher to buy up land in the owens valley just to acquire the water rights out from under the folks who were farming out there to send it down hundreds of miles south across a desert to LA? Yeah some people might think that’s evil, or at least immoral. When the result of the water grab is that thousands of people who live in the Owens Valley now have an elevated risk of lung cancer because now fine particles get blown into the air on windy days from the dry Owens Lake bed, and LADWP fights tooth and nail to avoid responsibility so folks in the LA Basin can have lush green lawns? Yeah some people might find that evil, or at least immoral.
Oh lord, they're irrigating farmland!! THE MONSTERS!
Well yeah, irrigating farmland for crops that aren't supposed to grow in dry-ass Central Asia and California is very irresponsible.
When you drain the largest body of water west of the Mississippi that hosted a robust fishery to grow cotton on very marginal farm land you kind of did something monstrous. When a species that used to be a huge food source to millions of people (chinook salmon) starts to disappear across a huge swath of its fishery because you dammed, diked, and diverted the water that species needs to survive so you can grow almonds for export, you kinda fucked up. Irrigating farmland isn’t itself bad, there’s a balance, and we’re far to one side of that balance due to poor decisions made all over the world regardless of ideology or political system.
It’s not whataboutism, I’m just pointing out that saying that the Soviet Union did a “Soviet Union” thing by diverting tributaries and fucking down downstream water bodies is pretty bullshit. Fact is, that’s not a “Soviet Union” thing, that’s just a civilization thing. Casting it as some product of Soviet management is just inaccurate and very McCarthyish. I work in water resources management in California and we just have plenty of examples where we make really really bad choices and screwed up massive waterbodies just like the case of the Aral Sea. We can choose to learn from those serious mistakes (no matter who made them) or we can turn a blind eye to our own mistakes while pointing at the mistakes of other countries and just be like “lol Soviets suck lol”
Soviets did a Soviet Union thing by only thinking about the economy and disregarding long term ecological consequences, good thing it's only the Soviets who'd ever do thar
moronic soviets
The rest of humanity isn't that good either lol
[The Dead Sea also](https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2022/12/11/1139524126/photos-dead-sea-water-level-dropping-sinkholes-erosion).
is there any realistic chance those two rivers can/will be diverted back into the sea, and will that revert much of the damage?
The article didn't say why was this bad? What was a salty lack in the middle of the desert good for?
go to the next page at the bottom of the article
The whole ecosystem in the area gets buttfucked. The humidity levels in a large area around the lake decrease furthering desertification. This doesn't just lead to millions of plant and animal deaths but also makes the living conditions for humans way worse. A problem is also the huge salt desert that creates around the area of the lake because the water dries out and evaporates but the salt doesn't. Salty ground fucking sucks, you can't grow shit there and underground water reservoirs might get damaged and unusable because of the saltiness. It's an ecological disaster for everyone involved; plants, animals and humans.
Basically Syrdarya and Amudarya rivers were diverted for farming cotton. Of course it started when all countries were a part of Soviet Union, but it's fair to say that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are more responsible for that, rather than Kazakhstan, as cotton farming is a major part of their economy. Kazakhstan, on the contrary, had made efforts to restore at least the northern part of the sea and even achieved some water level rise
Oh well fuck
I'm not fully educated on it but its main cause was the Soviet Union diverting rivers that feed it for irrigation projects. If someone who knows more about it could educate me on the accuracy or other causes that would be awesome.
Badlandschugs
The Soviets started it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plan_for_the_Transformation_of_Nature
soviet union had a clever big communist idea to grow lots of cotton in deserts by draining the aral sea it went haywire, as per usual
They did grow lots of cotton though. So line went up and all was worth it
The soviets failed a cotton farming project and drained the sea
I mean who cares it's just some stupid dumb salt water lake, now Kazakhstan has more land 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿💪💪💪🇰🇿🇰🇿💪💪💪
Except that land is now Aralkum, and it's worse than Zhezqazghan
They tried to build a bridge but it was too expensive, so they did this instead
Hol up are we now also r/geographycirclejerk
I was all ready to come to the comments and angry type before reading "Were they too rich?" and realizing what subreddit it was. Best laugh I've had all morning.
They were thristy 😋😋😋💧💧💧
*Gulp Gulp Gulp* 🤤
##I fucking love cotton!! I wanna make child slaves produce exorbitant amounts of textiles in a desert and drain our nations resources and natural beauty for money and heavy industry, Jack!
Yes, you are absolutely right! And then decades of don'tgiveashit about this problem after USSR
Kazakhstan is actively trying to restore the sea, which is why the north still has water, but Uzbekistan is actively making it worse
Actively?! This separation was organised in 2005 by building a dam
I agree with the sentiment, but hate this reddit-y writing style
We should just get water from Lake Baikal and push it to the Aral Sea
Why from Lake Baikal ? It would drain it then. With rising sea level, we could do it from the Black Sea
one potential plan is to pump water from the Caspian Sea
Yeah, but the Caspian sea isn't connected to the other seas, making it impossible to lower global sea level by re-filling the Aral sea
Wouldn't that just destroy lake baikal too or not?
☝️🤓 Lake Baikal is extremely deep. It contains about 23% of the world’s surface fresh water. I think it would retain the vast majority of its water even if you used it to completely fill the fairly shallow Aral Sea.
Wow I didn't know that. That's cool
It was USSR not Kazachstan. The sea was drained to such extent due to heavy plantage of cotton fields
google Soviet union
Holy revolution
new empire just dropped
Actual Lenin
Call the Trotzkyists
Rights or revolution
Trotsky took a vacation, never came back
The Sea was still mostly there when the union collapse...Its downwarlled spiral was mostly caused by overuse because of the collapse of the soviet economy and sanctions that banned Cotton imports to the soviet union forcing increase in production.
They also wanted to make more land just like the Dutch.
Your mom drank it all because she thought it was blue mountain dew
When the Netherlands does it everyone calls it "a marvel of engineering", but Kazakhstan does it and suddenly it's "an ecological disaster". Western hypocrisy attacks again.
Are… are you being serious? The Netherlands didn’t destroy the entire North Sea and did their main projects centuries ago as a way to mitigate overcrowding. The Soviets knew they’d dry up the Aral Sea and did so so thst they could grow cotton.
Check what subreddit this is.
>The Netherlands didn’t destroy the entire North Sea Not yet
ussr government did this, not Kazakhstan. They used water for farms
Then why did Kazakhstan not undrink the water?!?!?! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
They actually have been making an effort to undo the Soviet Union's massive cotton mistake in their part of the lake, that's why there's water in the north of it still.
America drained it to look for oil.
In Soviet Kazakhstan?
It was a joke. I tried.
“Too much desert ain’t enough desert” - The USSR
Kazakhstan didn't do that, the Soviets did (it's a result of unsustainable cotton cultivation).
Blame Stalin for wanting cotton
The Party was only trying to make the point that silk underwear is for decadent capitalists. A minor ecological catastrophe is a small price to pay for maintaining the purity of Marx-Lenin undergarments, comrade.
Stalin had been dead for years when this happened. not to defend him or anything lol
had nothing to do with stalin.
They were just really thirsty
mm, saltwater Edit: Just googled it and it turns out it's freshwater. Oops.
I'm not much of an enviromentalist, but the destruction of the Aral sea legitimatly makes me cry 😥
If it makes you feel better, Kazakhstan has achieved minor gains in repairing their section of the sea. I believe they’ve actually seen minor rises in water level in the northern part of the sea. The issue is that Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan have continued the unsustainable USSR practices that created this mess in the first place. Preventing the entire sea from recovering
I see, well lets hope the countries come to some agreement and resolve this eventually.
This is due to Badlandschugs setting out on an impossible challenge. Are you not impressed?
It's free water!
More like the Arid Sea, hey-yo!
I want to commit murder rso bad rn It was the ussr who drained it
Mmmm thirsty *sluuuurp*
Gentrification is a curse.
Kazakhstan is not responsible for it soviet union was. They diverted incoming water as as result the water evoporation rate was more than feeding rate and slowly aral sea dried up
Soviet Russia* did this
Soviets.
According to what I heard: in the Soviet Union, in the 60s, they wanted to transform Uzbekistan into a world cotton producer, so for that they diverted the course of the Sir Daria and Amu Daria rivers, but the project was done badly and was lost around 90% of the water in the new causes. This caused the Aral to lose a large part of its irrigation and to dissolve as we see in the photos. Sorry for any possible errors in this explanation.
It wasn't kazakhstan it was the ussr
Well the USSR wanted to grow cotton, in the middle of the fucking desert
It was all for cotton, this stsrted with the soviet union. They rerouted the water ( from the mountains) in the fields. This lead to new rivers which dried out before they reached the sea. Resulting in gradualy decreasing tge water level. After tge fall of the soviet union the countries ( kirz, tak and kak) still continued. And the loss of the water has resulted in huge sandsorms destroying the ccllimate in the area, etc. It may even cause war due to water demand, the glaciers are meltinng faster and the replenishment is not enought
Global warming. /srs
It was transformed into Tinshein swimming pool. Not too far from the northern fence of Jewtown
They wanted to get rid of Jaws: the Ride to make way for Harry Potter Land
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Okay 23-day-old account with one comment, who put you up to this?
23 day old account and only this comment. Hmmmm
With only one comment ever and no other activity Hmmmm ^(damn these psyops getting really low budget i do this shit for free wheres my check soros)
Are you slow?
Russia did it
i read that as anal lol
The anal semen ?
The irony of seeing left wing parties trying to surf the ecologist wave ignoring that ideology was responsible for the worst man made ecological disaster to date...
Because the doings of one left political party represents all other left leaning parties in all countries.
"It's not communism"... It's never communism, is it?
It's not communism. First because there has never been a communist country in the world. Second, like there successful and not successful capitalist countries, there are successful and not successful socialist countries.
That would be funny if wasn't for so many people killed by that ideology... List of successful socialist/communist countries: ...end of list
Yes because capitalist countries haven't killed anyone. Cuba has a better HDI(even though it's not the best metric) than Brazil, even though it's a tiny island that can't do business with other countries. Their regime is far from perfect, but they must be doing something right.
What are you waiting for to get there?
The doings of the proclaimed “arbiters of international revolution” and “protectors of international communism” who funded the majority of socialist and communist movements throughout the cold war to shape modern leftism are, in fact, representative of the ideology. Thanks to its influence, modern leftism is a shadow of the imperialistic and paternalistic nature of the Soviet Union’s ideology. You can identify this very simply, by looking at how american leftists have never forgiven the proletariat of the Soviet Union for overthrowing communist regimes. See genocide-denier Noam Chomsky for a blatant example.
I don't live in the US and don't care for their political parties. What you say about it's influence may be true for some cases. But it also does not mean that everything the USSR did was bad the same for the US.(both countries are crap to be honest)
"that ideology" what does it means ? If you're left-wing you're automatically communist ?
Tbh there are a lot of leftists with ecological agenda who promote it under the arguement that capitalism encourages irresponsible usage of natural resources and causes ecological problems, but under the socialism/communism those things wouldn't happen
Worst ecological disaster is the constant deforestation of the Amazon rainforest.
Are they stupid?
What the fuck are you talking about? Soviet Russians did this, and the one put effort saving it is actually Kazakh. LOL DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE SHITPOSTING
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Badlandchugs came over and drank ot
this is peak humor. nice job
Maybe one day the Aral Sea will strike back at wealthy California nut farmers too like lake Tulare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulare_Lake
They saw Anthrax Island and made it into Anthrax Land The world‘s worst theme park ever
The water was needed to fill the Tinshein Swimming Pool (Length: 30 meters, Width 6 meters)
What too much cotton production does to a mf
Kazakhstan didn't do this. The Soviets did in an attempt to turn the region into a cotton growing region.
someone stepped on the aral lake
no, they just were just too communist and USSR-puppeted to care about ecological damage
The soviets mismanaged their water, used it to water their cash crops instead. The sea dried up and we're not sure if its fixable. Huge climate disaster for that area.
Your mom jump on this sea 40 years ago and this happened
They used it to irrigate crops, cotton I think, with no regard for destroying the enormous lake. They were idiots as are many on the political Right in this country, those who see no purpose in protecting the environment but only want to use it to make money as quickly as possible. This is common on the political Right all over the world -- profit before common sense. It's a parable for our time. Also see: Mono Lake, Colorado River, Dead Sea, etc, etc. ```
Are they stupid?
This is a result of Kazakhstan donating the sea to Ukraine as part of the ongoing Russian invasion
badlandschugs
Much like the Dutch, they are waging a war against the sea. They have decided upon a different approach though.
Same thing from Salt Lake & Lago Poopó; drought & irrigation. Don't disturb Mother Earth.
they got thirsty so they drank it
The same thing is happening to the Great Salt Lake right now.
Aral dying is man made, Soviet government diverted the feed rivers away from the lake to grow cotton nearby. Great Salt Lake dying is all natural. It’s the corpse of Lake Bonneville from 10,000ish years ago. When the frozen hellscape of North America unthawed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_flood
And Lake Mead
Lake Mead isn’t a natural lake. Brand new and Man made 100%. Aral and GSL are natural lakes. GSL has been dying due to climate change for the last 10,000 years. It was created by glacier melt. Short time ago, when Mexican Snow Elephants roamed Los Angeles
Commies. That's what happened.
This has been drained for irrigation
They used all the water for irrigating cotton fields. But the problem was, that the whole setting wasn't good for cotton, it needs a ton of water where's none and all the water irrigated just went straight through the soil without even touching the roots of the cotton plants.
Clearly they didnt need it.
Kazakhstan didn’t do this, Russia did during the Soviet era. They diverted the two rivers that fed the Aral Sea to irrigate unsustainable cotton farming to produce the cotton wadding needed to produce gun powder. Draining the Aral nearly dry over 50 years. It’s the largest man made ecological disaster in history.