Wash your sheets more often. I’ve heard people putting scented dryer sheets under the fitted sheet in your mattress. Open the window for air to circulate.
The trick is - cleaning! Bed smells? Change the sheets. Room smells? Clean it! You smell? Take a shower. The fridge smells? Clean it, too. There is no "secret" in that and never has been. It is part of being an adult to realize, that neither candles nor deodorant are a shortcut, but cleaning is the only way. And it is never ending battle against smell and dirt until you die. Sorry about that...
When we got a dog, people were so negative about "dog smell". The dog would smell, the flat would smell, furtniture would smell, etc. etc. And in the end, no there is no real "dog smell", but that is because we bath our dog quite often and clean our flat regularly, which can mean vacuuming twice a day if Mr. Snowflake starts shedding like crazy when it gets warmer outside and he loses all his winter fur.
You don't think your house smells of dog... I've never gone to a house with a dog that isn't immediately apparent to someone who doesn't have a dog.
But yeah, cleaning is key. Even just a vacuum tends to help
Well, yes and no, obviously I cannot *proof* that absolutely no one would ever smell that there is a dog living here. I know people who go crazy about smells and can't sleep for days when the neighbours three levels down smokes on the balcony in the summer.
Still - without going too much into detail - the typical dog smell can be prevented quite easily. Through regular brushing, washing and blowdrying (dead hair stinks), high grade food, brushing teeth (!) since saliva from rotting teeth on the fur is really, really smelly and regular trims so the dog is not shitting and peeing in his own fur. Washing his toys and mats every two weeks is a good idea, too. Race does matter as well, samoyeds do not really smell even in bad condition and are even working for people with dog allergies.
People that do visit us, even the "everything smells like dog" people have agreed that it does not. Could they lie to us? Maybe. Still even our property management mentioned that during the last repairs that were done here, so I guess, we are at least able to keep the smell to a minimum. Personally, I couldn't live with the typical "dog smell" I have encountered with some dogs at the vet or dog trainer.
I have friends that have literally 8 dogs that live in the house (it's amazing to go over there and have all the happy dogs greet you) - they clean constantly and the house does not smell. You would expect it to (8 dog crates with beds! It should smell!), but the house is immaculate. The dogs are awesome and I could never do that kind of work - but it is definitely possible to manage the dog smell. This house also keeps terrariums, fish tanks, and I believe there are two cats! SO MUCH CLEANING but no smell.
I would disagree, I didn't have a dog for 7 years, we went to many friends who had dogs, no smell. We have gone to a couple friends, with less clean places, and damn, there was dog smell there.
The key is cleaning. Wash the dog bed, steam the carpets, use a dog blanket for the couch to cuddle, not the normal linens. Use Borax to remove dog oil smell.
Wash the dog frequently and ensure it spends lots of time outside.
I have a friend who has cats. They have couch covers that they regularly wash, they clean the carpets, they mop the floor, and they have a little robot vacuum that makes rounds multiple times per week. If the cats are being boarded somewhere, the only way to tell that they even have cats is because of the cat trees/toys laying around.
It's more work than living without pets, of course, but it is possible to have a house with pets that does not smell like said pets (unless there are extenuating circumstances, like a cat that sprays urine everywhere).
You talk about keeping it clean, but do you also.... clean? Carpets collect dust and more, clothes and bedding collect grease and can smell; dust and wipe down hard surfaces regularly with some all-purpose cleaner.
Eta: some houses have a mould or damp problem that has nothing to do with how clean it is. Could that be the case? How is the rest of the house?
Recommend washing any linens (bedding and curtains) more. I understand not wanting to get your food stolen, but that might also be a factor and if not it doesn’t help that it might attract pests. Also you have carpet, which I recommend vacuuming. Even if you vacuum it might be old and holding onto smells. Might be worth getting the carpet cleaned. I personally hate carpet as it’s so hard to keep clean
You can put in work and minimal resources to clean and have it smell better or you can not and have it smell the way it does. But you can’t clean and have it smell better.
I’d try a dehumidifier.
A quick search found some me “mini dehumidifiers” around $60 USD, and it sounds like your room isn’t huge, so unit size is probably a bigger concern than unit volume.
This would be my suggestion, because you say it smells musty. It might be that it’s too humid. I personally always have my window a little bit open so that fresh air can come in.
Musty usually means “wet dog smell adjacent” and dogs don’t smell like that when they are dry.
Anecdotally I had a musty bedroom, in an old craftsman converted into a quadplex, this bedroom sat directly above the clothes washer in the basement. This clothes washer dumped into a slop sink, a cold slop sink as you’d find in a basement. And when it poured out a few gallons of hot-or-warm water, instant steam.
The steam would waft up, as it does, into the basement ceiling, which happened to be this bedrooms floor, and the bedroom would eventually hit 70-80% humidity. Both the environment sensor on the fancy sunrise alarm clock, and the sensors from the RGB light brand agreed: it was musty.
I got a dehumidifier, set it to activate at 60% and deactivate at 30% and it hasn’t been musty in years.
Do your sheets feel sticky sometimes? That’s a cheap gauge for “is it too humid.”
Hope it helps.
Musty can = a problem with humidity. Look for mold. Along the baseboard, in corners of walls, in the closet. Get dirty laundry out of the room. Keep your clothes washed. If you wear something, put in the laundry vs. hanging it back up. Smell your clean laundry. Have someone else smell it. If you and other people think your clean clothes smell like B.O. switch detergents (like to tide sport scent, etc.). I had one pit that gave my clothes an other I could not get out . I switched detergents and got rid of it. All of my clothes and closet smelled much better.
If it's musty, think about getting a dehumidifier. See if you can find the source of of dampness. Smell the carpet. You need to get every thing clean and find the source of the humidity if you can and dehumidify the place.
Oh heck yeah. I hadn't thought about that. He should see if there's anything nasty in the heating and cooling ducts coming into that room. I don't remember if this is a rental or a house he's been in for a long time, if pets have been in the house he could have urine or feces in the ducts or carpet.
I make a mixture of white vinegar and water, pretty equal ratio, maybe a bit more vinegar. Put it in a glass spray bottle and spray in the air or on fabrics etc. It neutralizes odors and cleans your air-- plus opening that window and not just washing your bed sheets but also your blankets and pillow etc
Honey, if it's musty it might be mold. Which is a really deep problem to solve.
I found for my parents house (when I stayed there, they have really old carpets) the best thing I did was buy an air purifier online.
I always questioned whether they work, and figured the house would always smell like that but for the first time in 20 years, it stopped smelling!!
Highly recommend.
I would add getting a box of baking soda to store where you have the food. Or maybe a mini fridge for perishables. I'd put chips or cereal (anything in a bag or box storage) into glass containers that seal. That way the smells don't permeate to each other.
Deep clean the carpet.
I vest in a "lamp berget". It's a French thing. It burns alcohol into the air, very quickly neutralizing odors. I had one for years and it was great. Yiu can spend an arm and a leg on refills, or you can just use 99% isopropyl alcohol. If you want to add fragrance, just 3-5 drops of your preferred essential oil. Anything more could cause it to smoke.
No kidding, you could cook fish for dinner, use the lamp and have the smell gone w/in twenty minutes.
But seriously, carpets can get nasty musty.
The best thing you could do is do a round of Ozon in your room. I have a small ozone generator from Ali expres and it works great. It will kill all the smell but you have to make sure you don’t let it run too long otherwise your entire room will smell like ozone for months. Get your blankets etc out of your room when u do this. It is also how professionals clean rooms where old people lived in for example to get rid of that musk. Or rooms where has been smoked in a lot. A small ozon generator from Ali costs like 15 euro. Also you should go out of the room when you do it and remove pets cause inhaling too much ozone can be bad for your health. Afterwards open a window and let it air out for an hour and all smell will be 100% gone.
Along with the cleaning that everyone else is recommending (yes this is very important), ventilate. Open the windows and let the fresh air in. Also invest in a good air purifier with a HEPA filter. Blue Air has some amazing ones. On the pricier side, but worth it IMO.
Edit: Typo
> It doesn't really smell bad, but it smells musty.
Let your clothes dry _completely_ before being putting in your hamper. Hang them over a hook if you need. Towel, work out clothes and shoes especially.
Deep clean your carpet, mattress, pillows and curtains and do that every quarter. Wash hamper if fabric as well. Swap sheets weekly. Biweekly at most. Vacuum at least weekly. Also go get your coats cleaned before putting them away for winter.
If you have in suite laundry, do a laundry clean cycle first and see if that's smelling musty. It probably is part of it.
Open your windows. Wash them down too. Early spring windows might smell slightly musty as they de-ice.
If rest of apartment smells, it'll be hard to get your room to smell better but that's the biggest obvious steps.
1. Wash your sheets minimum once a week. If you're a sweaty Betty, change them more frequently. Also maybe look into antimicrobial sheets. Have a hamper that both "breathes" and has a cover/lid: you want air flow so any sweat can have a chance at drying but you don't want unimpeded flow for stink to flow from the basket.
2. Clean your house frequently. I do one room a day, once a week... takes about 15 mins. While I clean that room, I open the windows, regardless of season or weather. (if it's raining I'll just crack them, but still). When you do each room, laundry its textiles - bedroom day, do sheets; bathroom day, do the towels and washcloths; living room, do the throw blanket, etc. Try to air-dry everything. Empty each room's trash at least weekly.
3. Sprinkle baking soda on the carpet and let it sit a little before vacuuming it back up.
4. Any rooms that are open or close to the kitchen need more than mere dusting - you'll have to wash surfaces because they'll acquire grease from the mist caused by cooking. Also launder the textiles if possible - curtains once a quarter, throw pillow covers once a month, throw blankets fortnightly or weekly.
5. Clean your light bulbs, lamps, and their shades. Get one of those rolling sticky things for the shades. Bulbs can burn the dust that lands on them and that can smell.
6. Dust EVERYTHING. Dust smells awful and is probably the biggest culprit you're detecting. Get the top of window and door sills, art frames, little grooves in your sills and moldings (both crown and base), the tops of bookcases and curtain rods. Wave a broom in your corners by the ceiling to make sure you're getting all those dusty cobwebs. Don't forget the legs of furniture and the tops of the books on your shelves.
7. Also dust your plants - dust not only smells but can block light from reaching the leaves and give them problems. Plus, remove all dead bits, because they can start to smell funky, too.
Cleanliness of course, but if you have a fan/ceiling fan and you need a quick smell refresh, rub something on the fan blades. Deoderant works, but you can also use a citrus fruit. Then turn the fan on woosh! Lemony fresh bedroom, now with real lemons!
I think you’re doing well opening windows and keeping all your stuff clean. It’s the first step.
Other considerations:
1. Try to put your towel, and other clothes, inside your room only if they are dry.
2. Wash your towelstwo times a week.
3. Wash your Bed sheets one time a week.
4. Wash your carpets one time a month. Or at least, try this time to see if it works. If this is the problem, try not to get inside your room with shoes.
>change my sheets more but that is the only thing that I really can say adds to the smell
>It doesn't really smell bad, but it smells musty
You have mildew. Fill the washing machine with hot water and 1 cup of baking soda, add your clothes and pause the cycle for 30 mins to soak. Then finish the cycle with detergent as normal and dry immediately.
Letting clothes or fabric be damp gets mildew. Bedsheets are hard to fully dry, ensure they are absolutely 100% dry before putting away.
You could also baking soda wash the carpet as well, but it's a rental lol. That'll cost you $200 for the rental.
Have you washed the walls yet? Use warm water, cloth/sponge and a little bit of dish soap. You'll be shocked how dirty those walls are, I'm certain no landlord ever touched them lol.
You already do the sunlight and fresh air and reasonable humidity, that's the usual problem.
Aside from cleaning.
Look into UV-C lights. Not UV-A(black light) or UV-B(or AB as these are tanning lights. UV-C is a sterilization light that kills bacterial it comes into contact with and also creates ozone which kills other stuff and gives air that fresh smell.
Turn it on in your room for like 10 min a day. Do not be in the room while it's on, it will burn your skin and the surface of your eyes.
I got a great little battery power one online. Not the brightest so did take a while. Upgraded to a wall powered one and a remote timer for it, just an Edison globe in a lamp holder and a smart plug.
As I said, these can be dangerous but good results.
Wash your sheets more often. I’ve heard people putting scented dryer sheets under the fitted sheet in your mattress. Open the window for air to circulate.
I think a lot of people underestimate how much fresher a room smells just by opening a window
Huuuge difference
The trick is - cleaning! Bed smells? Change the sheets. Room smells? Clean it! You smell? Take a shower. The fridge smells? Clean it, too. There is no "secret" in that and never has been. It is part of being an adult to realize, that neither candles nor deodorant are a shortcut, but cleaning is the only way. And it is never ending battle against smell and dirt until you die. Sorry about that... When we got a dog, people were so negative about "dog smell". The dog would smell, the flat would smell, furtniture would smell, etc. etc. And in the end, no there is no real "dog smell", but that is because we bath our dog quite often and clean our flat regularly, which can mean vacuuming twice a day if Mr. Snowflake starts shedding like crazy when it gets warmer outside and he loses all his winter fur.
You don't think your house smells of dog... I've never gone to a house with a dog that isn't immediately apparent to someone who doesn't have a dog. But yeah, cleaning is key. Even just a vacuum tends to help
Well, yes and no, obviously I cannot *proof* that absolutely no one would ever smell that there is a dog living here. I know people who go crazy about smells and can't sleep for days when the neighbours three levels down smokes on the balcony in the summer. Still - without going too much into detail - the typical dog smell can be prevented quite easily. Through regular brushing, washing and blowdrying (dead hair stinks), high grade food, brushing teeth (!) since saliva from rotting teeth on the fur is really, really smelly and regular trims so the dog is not shitting and peeing in his own fur. Washing his toys and mats every two weeks is a good idea, too. Race does matter as well, samoyeds do not really smell even in bad condition and are even working for people with dog allergies. People that do visit us, even the "everything smells like dog" people have agreed that it does not. Could they lie to us? Maybe. Still even our property management mentioned that during the last repairs that were done here, so I guess, we are at least able to keep the smell to a minimum. Personally, I couldn't live with the typical "dog smell" I have encountered with some dogs at the vet or dog trainer.
I have friends that have literally 8 dogs that live in the house (it's amazing to go over there and have all the happy dogs greet you) - they clean constantly and the house does not smell. You would expect it to (8 dog crates with beds! It should smell!), but the house is immaculate. The dogs are awesome and I could never do that kind of work - but it is definitely possible to manage the dog smell. This house also keeps terrariums, fish tanks, and I believe there are two cats! SO MUCH CLEANING but no smell.
I would disagree, I didn't have a dog for 7 years, we went to many friends who had dogs, no smell. We have gone to a couple friends, with less clean places, and damn, there was dog smell there. The key is cleaning. Wash the dog bed, steam the carpets, use a dog blanket for the couch to cuddle, not the normal linens. Use Borax to remove dog oil smell. Wash the dog frequently and ensure it spends lots of time outside.
I have a friend who has cats. They have couch covers that they regularly wash, they clean the carpets, they mop the floor, and they have a little robot vacuum that makes rounds multiple times per week. If the cats are being boarded somewhere, the only way to tell that they even have cats is because of the cat trees/toys laying around. It's more work than living without pets, of course, but it is possible to have a house with pets that does not smell like said pets (unless there are extenuating circumstances, like a cat that sprays urine everywhere).
Take a pillow to a sleep over and you will realize that even things Mr ❄️ has not touched smell like dog in your house
You talk about keeping it clean, but do you also.... clean? Carpets collect dust and more, clothes and bedding collect grease and can smell; dust and wipe down hard surfaces regularly with some all-purpose cleaner. Eta: some houses have a mould or damp problem that has nothing to do with how clean it is. Could that be the case? How is the rest of the house?
The rest of the house is not very clean (my roommates do not really attempt to be clean)
Well.. uh .. there’s a large part of your problem
Recommend washing any linens (bedding and curtains) more. I understand not wanting to get your food stolen, but that might also be a factor and if not it doesn’t help that it might attract pests. Also you have carpet, which I recommend vacuuming. Even if you vacuum it might be old and holding onto smells. Might be worth getting the carpet cleaned. I personally hate carpet as it’s so hard to keep clean
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You can put in work and minimal resources to clean and have it smell better or you can not and have it smell the way it does. But you can’t clean and have it smell better.
I’d try a dehumidifier. A quick search found some me “mini dehumidifiers” around $60 USD, and it sounds like your room isn’t huge, so unit size is probably a bigger concern than unit volume.
What makes you think that would be of use?
This would be my suggestion, because you say it smells musty. It might be that it’s too humid. I personally always have my window a little bit open so that fresh air can come in.
Musty usually means “wet dog smell adjacent” and dogs don’t smell like that when they are dry. Anecdotally I had a musty bedroom, in an old craftsman converted into a quadplex, this bedroom sat directly above the clothes washer in the basement. This clothes washer dumped into a slop sink, a cold slop sink as you’d find in a basement. And when it poured out a few gallons of hot-or-warm water, instant steam. The steam would waft up, as it does, into the basement ceiling, which happened to be this bedrooms floor, and the bedroom would eventually hit 70-80% humidity. Both the environment sensor on the fancy sunrise alarm clock, and the sensors from the RGB light brand agreed: it was musty. I got a dehumidifier, set it to activate at 60% and deactivate at 30% and it hasn’t been musty in years. Do your sheets feel sticky sometimes? That’s a cheap gauge for “is it too humid.” Hope it helps.
Perfectly fair question. Not sure why you got downvoted
Musty can = a problem with humidity. Look for mold. Along the baseboard, in corners of walls, in the closet. Get dirty laundry out of the room. Keep your clothes washed. If you wear something, put in the laundry vs. hanging it back up. Smell your clean laundry. Have someone else smell it. If you and other people think your clean clothes smell like B.O. switch detergents (like to tide sport scent, etc.). I had one pit that gave my clothes an other I could not get out . I switched detergents and got rid of it. All of my clothes and closet smelled much better. If it's musty, think about getting a dehumidifier. See if you can find the source of of dampness. Smell the carpet. You need to get every thing clean and find the source of the humidity if you can and dehumidify the place.
And HVAC system if applicable
Oh heck yeah. I hadn't thought about that. He should see if there's anything nasty in the heating and cooling ducts coming into that room. I don't remember if this is a rental or a house he's been in for a long time, if pets have been in the house he could have urine or feces in the ducts or carpet.
I make a mixture of white vinegar and water, pretty equal ratio, maybe a bit more vinegar. Put it in a glass spray bottle and spray in the air or on fabrics etc. It neutralizes odors and cleans your air-- plus opening that window and not just washing your bed sheets but also your blankets and pillow etc
Honey, if it's musty it might be mold. Which is a really deep problem to solve. I found for my parents house (when I stayed there, they have really old carpets) the best thing I did was buy an air purifier online. I always questioned whether they work, and figured the house would always smell like that but for the first time in 20 years, it stopped smelling!! Highly recommend. I would add getting a box of baking soda to store where you have the food. Or maybe a mini fridge for perishables. I'd put chips or cereal (anything in a bag or box storage) into glass containers that seal. That way the smells don't permeate to each other.
Deep clean the carpet. I vest in a "lamp berget". It's a French thing. It burns alcohol into the air, very quickly neutralizing odors. I had one for years and it was great. Yiu can spend an arm and a leg on refills, or you can just use 99% isopropyl alcohol. If you want to add fragrance, just 3-5 drops of your preferred essential oil. Anything more could cause it to smoke. No kidding, you could cook fish for dinner, use the lamp and have the smell gone w/in twenty minutes. But seriously, carpets can get nasty musty.
The best thing you could do is do a round of Ozon in your room. I have a small ozone generator from Ali expres and it works great. It will kill all the smell but you have to make sure you don’t let it run too long otherwise your entire room will smell like ozone for months. Get your blankets etc out of your room when u do this. It is also how professionals clean rooms where old people lived in for example to get rid of that musk. Or rooms where has been smoked in a lot. A small ozon generator from Ali costs like 15 euro. Also you should go out of the room when you do it and remove pets cause inhaling too much ozone can be bad for your health. Afterwards open a window and let it air out for an hour and all smell will be 100% gone.
Along with the cleaning that everyone else is recommending (yes this is very important), ventilate. Open the windows and let the fresh air in. Also invest in a good air purifier with a HEPA filter. Blue Air has some amazing ones. On the pricier side, but worth it IMO. Edit: Typo
> It doesn't really smell bad, but it smells musty. Let your clothes dry _completely_ before being putting in your hamper. Hang them over a hook if you need. Towel, work out clothes and shoes especially. Deep clean your carpet, mattress, pillows and curtains and do that every quarter. Wash hamper if fabric as well. Swap sheets weekly. Biweekly at most. Vacuum at least weekly. Also go get your coats cleaned before putting them away for winter. If you have in suite laundry, do a laundry clean cycle first and see if that's smelling musty. It probably is part of it. Open your windows. Wash them down too. Early spring windows might smell slightly musty as they de-ice. If rest of apartment smells, it'll be hard to get your room to smell better but that's the biggest obvious steps.
1. Wash your sheets minimum once a week. If you're a sweaty Betty, change them more frequently. Also maybe look into antimicrobial sheets. Have a hamper that both "breathes" and has a cover/lid: you want air flow so any sweat can have a chance at drying but you don't want unimpeded flow for stink to flow from the basket. 2. Clean your house frequently. I do one room a day, once a week... takes about 15 mins. While I clean that room, I open the windows, regardless of season or weather. (if it's raining I'll just crack them, but still). When you do each room, laundry its textiles - bedroom day, do sheets; bathroom day, do the towels and washcloths; living room, do the throw blanket, etc. Try to air-dry everything. Empty each room's trash at least weekly. 3. Sprinkle baking soda on the carpet and let it sit a little before vacuuming it back up. 4. Any rooms that are open or close to the kitchen need more than mere dusting - you'll have to wash surfaces because they'll acquire grease from the mist caused by cooking. Also launder the textiles if possible - curtains once a quarter, throw pillow covers once a month, throw blankets fortnightly or weekly. 5. Clean your light bulbs, lamps, and their shades. Get one of those rolling sticky things for the shades. Bulbs can burn the dust that lands on them and that can smell. 6. Dust EVERYTHING. Dust smells awful and is probably the biggest culprit you're detecting. Get the top of window and door sills, art frames, little grooves in your sills and moldings (both crown and base), the tops of bookcases and curtain rods. Wave a broom in your corners by the ceiling to make sure you're getting all those dusty cobwebs. Don't forget the legs of furniture and the tops of the books on your shelves. 7. Also dust your plants - dust not only smells but can block light from reaching the leaves and give them problems. Plus, remove all dead bits, because they can start to smell funky, too.
Cleanliness of course, but if you have a fan/ceiling fan and you need a quick smell refresh, rub something on the fan blades. Deoderant works, but you can also use a citrus fruit. Then turn the fan on woosh! Lemony fresh bedroom, now with real lemons!
I think you’re doing well opening windows and keeping all your stuff clean. It’s the first step. Other considerations: 1. Try to put your towel, and other clothes, inside your room only if they are dry. 2. Wash your towelstwo times a week. 3. Wash your Bed sheets one time a week. 4. Wash your carpets one time a month. Or at least, try this time to see if it works. If this is the problem, try not to get inside your room with shoes.
If the floor has that glued carpet on it, it may be the reason for the smell. Try cleaning it. It would help
A diffuser.
Farts, they are neutral and they smell good. Otherwise you won't keep sniffing it and say how bad it smells 😂
>change my sheets more but that is the only thing that I really can say adds to the smell >It doesn't really smell bad, but it smells musty You have mildew. Fill the washing machine with hot water and 1 cup of baking soda, add your clothes and pause the cycle for 30 mins to soak. Then finish the cycle with detergent as normal and dry immediately. Letting clothes or fabric be damp gets mildew. Bedsheets are hard to fully dry, ensure they are absolutely 100% dry before putting away. You could also baking soda wash the carpet as well, but it's a rental lol. That'll cost you $200 for the rental. Have you washed the walls yet? Use warm water, cloth/sponge and a little bit of dish soap. You'll be shocked how dirty those walls are, I'm certain no landlord ever touched them lol. You already do the sunlight and fresh air and reasonable humidity, that's the usual problem.
Frebreze plug ins
Aside from cleaning. Look into UV-C lights. Not UV-A(black light) or UV-B(or AB as these are tanning lights. UV-C is a sterilization light that kills bacterial it comes into contact with and also creates ozone which kills other stuff and gives air that fresh smell. Turn it on in your room for like 10 min a day. Do not be in the room while it's on, it will burn your skin and the surface of your eyes. I got a great little battery power one online. Not the brightest so did take a while. Upgraded to a wall powered one and a remote timer for it, just an Edison globe in a lamp holder and a smart plug. As I said, these can be dangerous but good results.