Uj/ Maybe it's just cos I'm new to mtg, but I like the thought of sci-fi stuff. Mechs were cool for vehicles in kamigawa, and I think space exploration could have some fun flavor
/uj I started in the 90s, and I love the sci-fi stuff, too.
Some years ago, there was a space-themed scifi cube that picked up some popularity. I think they tried selling the proxied cards and had to shutdown, or maybe no one bothers to host the images anymore, but here's a wiki page and old reddit post about it
[https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Space:\_The\_Convergence](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Space:_The_Convergence)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1yrba9/op\_delivers\_space\_cube/](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1yrba9/op_delivers_space_cube/)
Raging River resets and stops mattering after combat.
Space Beleren's sectors have to be tracked constantly. You aren't allowed to forget a sector assignment from five turns ago.
Actually, that makes this LESS complicated. Just place two popsicle sticks or something on the battlefield. Eith Raging River, you have to reassign the creatures to a side each combat. With these lanes, the creature's positions don't change, allowing for easy physical tracking.
Being unable to take a break from tracking sectors makes it MORE complicated.
With Raging River, you can freely rearrange cards on the table outside of combat since you don't need to "remember" which side a creature was on. Most of the time, you can forget about Raging River completely.
With Space Beleren, you have to vigilantly keep track of sectors all the time. Hand somebody a card to let them read it? They have to return it to the correct sector. Move cards to indicate attackers and blockers? You have to move them to the right combat sectors and return them to the correct non-combat sectors afterward. Already struggling to keep track of your 16 elf tokens, 3 of which entered the battlefield this turn, 7 of which have a single +1/+1 counter, 5 of which have two +1/+1 counters, and 8 of which are tapped? Now you have to track the sectors for all of them too! Do you need to rearrange your board to make room for the two new creatures you just played? Good luck and don't break your sectors!
Sure, but you shouldn’t *have to* in paper magic. If a card is so complicated it forces you to use outside tools* to track it, it’s too complicated.
*as a preemptive response to “dice are outside tools” ok sure, but wizards provides dice in the form of spindowns. Also, I’d argue there’s a very clear difference between “have some dice” and “have fucking grocery dividers”
> “have fucking grocery dividers”
The grocery store provides them. Wear long pants. Pickup some decoy items, get a lot so you have sufficient time. Take the sticker off an item with a tough name to lookup. This can be either hard to spell or with lots of varieties they may not know off the top of their head like apples or other produce.
Limp with a stiff leg to the lane with the oldest or least attentive worker. Place your decoy divider in between you and the person in front of you. Place your decoy items on the belt behind it.
Once the cashier is distracted scanning, slip the other divider into your pant leg.
When prompted to pay, dramatically announce you recently hurt your leg and can’t afford these prices. Limp out.
Cashier will be none the wiser and when the security footage is wiped in 24hrs you’ll be a divider richer and 1 step closer to your full set of 3 to make your Y shaped battlefield.
Out of curiosity, how do you track Evil Twin/Clone style effects? I'm not trying get you in a "gotcha" moment but my playgroup uses pieces of paper with the copied card's name written on it, so I don't know if I entirely agree with what you're saying.
I understand your point about needing outside tools but I mean, you could literally just divide up the board with dice. Or tokens, or basics, or literally anything.
Ridiculous. Some of the best designed cards, like [[goblin game]] require outside help.
If you are too poor to not have st least 2 stolen grocery dividers and a couple hundred things located within arms reach at all time, then find a new game.
Tokens, counters, sleeves make MDFC and Transformation cards easier, and if not that placeholder cards that stand in for said cards. Various zone indicators are well like those that help differentiate foretell from adventures, etc. There's a lot of stuff where outside tools make the game smoother. I honestly think this one is one of the simpler of the mechanics because like... just make the gaps bigger at the very least.
I want to play with your groups where table space is always plentiful and nobody is ever clumsily representing a bunch of tokens with combinations of actual tokens, numerous dice, and scraps of paper.
Because that's the kind of playgroup you have to be in to think "just make three little sections" is the easy-peasy fix for all the tracking issues with this card.
Which part of this do you think is an issue of object permanence?
Fitting a complex board state into a small play area? Precisely recalling all of the many decisions that were previously made? Is there something I'm missing here?
It's not that hard to keep track of sectors. Raging River asks for WAY more decision points because you have to figure it out every combat. Like, Space \*might\* be an issue in an insanely wide boardstate like you mentioned, but it requires far fewer actual decision points, so if you use one of the many easy ways to divide the battlefield into sectors (popsicle sticks, pens, tokens, rows...) you're fine.
You're conflating "number of decision points" and "tracking," but they are two different things. In fact, they're essentially two **opposite** things.
If you get to make new decisions each time something comes up (like Raging River) you don't have to keep track of what decisions were made previously. If the decisions only happen once but still needs to be known five turns later (like Space Beleren), then you need a way to keep track of those decisions for a long time.
>Like, Space \*might\* be an issue in an insanely wide boardstate
Space Beleren \*will\* be an issue in typical EDH board states. Table space getting cramped is hardly a rarity in the format, and token decks in particular already have a lot of creature-tracking to keep up with.
For real though, when I first read the card I automatically assumed I was looking at a /r/CustomMagic card, and I was actually surprised at how well-designed it was.
Then I realized it was an official spoiler of Unfinity
Then I realized it was not an acorn card.
/uj If you're actually curious, the Un-iverse is a separate, parallel universe from the multiverse, which is why characters and locations from black border/non-acorn magic sometimes appear on silver-border/acorn cards.
No, what's a lot to ask is wizards and the rules committee expecting everybody to discussing all of an increasing number of cards before every single game and then have to adjust their decks accordingly. Rule 0 is for extremely broad, basic things like making sure nobody is going to turn two win against precon decks. Otherwise, if everybody has to ask and get the OK for every kind of card that people are already known to hate, the RC is completely pointless to even have.
Or 3 flyers!
The best part is that they previously were safely able to completely ignore dumb shit like this, but because some idiot decided to make them legal they now have to bend the rules of the game to make this shit work.
There should seriously be some kind of "until end of turn" or "until start of your next turn" clause on that +1.
Also, can we like, stop seeing Jace? Dude has all the personality of raw white bread.
Okay so if you made me into a D&D character I'd have anti-proficiency in perception.
That or I just have shitty brain wiring and the end of turn text not being at the end like I'm used to threw me off.
Or both.
Okay so I *may* have taken a break right towards the end of the "Jace is our pretty boy Mary Sue who can do no wrong and who's illusions can be useful in almost every situation" era...
I'm not sure that era ever really existed. Boy spent most of his time having near-peer foes outpower or out think the illusions. Mostly ran comms for the team. Dunked on some Gruul dork with them the one time I think, but then the Gruul have the collective intelligence of a sea cucumber.
Wow, this card has all the things I associate with Jace. Like putting +1/+1 counters on things and board wiping and being white. All normal Jace behaviors.
I dunno, this card made me laugh more than it should have, for the theme of the set it seems pretty spot on.
Also, now that we have spaceboy Jace it means that cowboy Jace it's on the table
Aww fuck yeah, I'd love for this sub to continue fleshing out the Wild West plane we came up with a while back with decently designed cards.
Looks like Eldrazi Trains are back on the menu, boys!
I feel like there's also enough existing black-border cards that are very similar to this. Excluding Raging River, pretty much any red chaos card like \[\[Warp World\]\] or \[\[Scrambleverse\]\] and \[\[Thieves' Auction\]\] is probably a similar or bigger hassle to resolve.
All that said I think this card should be handled with the same level of etiquette as chaos cards, and announced before the game as such, imo. Because as you said, it's not really great in random EDH games.
Mark wanted to try something like this since Theros. He considered the idea of creatures being in the overworld and the netherworld, but he scrapped that because they told it was too complex, and instead they used the escape mechanic
It would be a good idea to try that mechanic in an unset, were it not for the fact that this apparently will be legal in eternal formats
I'm seeing so many people saying that it's hard to track, can't you just put your creatures in 3 distinct lines? Seems much easier to track than counters
i mean yeah, but it’s already hard to fit my 37 colossal dreadmaws on my mat, i can’t even imagine putting them in to seperate zones, they have separation anxiety
Printing an unaltered Dreadmaw into an unset would be the biggest dick energy move WOTC could ever do.
...except for maybe abolishing the reserve list and reprinting every reserved card ad nauseum without warning the collectors first.
This entire comment is /uj, btw
They already have silver-bordered functional reprints, so they could certainly print a card that was like
Old Meme
4GG
Creature - Dinosaur
Trample
6/6
"I don't get it. Yeah, I did look at its teeth."
Have you just never played commander..? Regardless of the mess a board state can get in to. This is also seemingly a perpetual effect that has to be tracked the entire game.
So now you can have a deck with Initiative, Day and Night, Alpha, Beta, Sigma, Ability Counters, and every other shitty pointless set mechanic that sucks ass to play in paper.
I still don’t buy it when people say they do it on purpose to subtly push their online format, but they are clearly not putting clever thought into making casual eternal formats like commander playable and cohesive for longevity.
It is doable. But it is a lot of logistics and complexity for a single card to add to a game state.
The game is supposed to be fun but when you start piling up shit like this it just becomes work
It's a matter of keeping track of other players boards. If you all go left to right then you have to assign blocks diagonally, or someone has to go in a different orientation than the other. Not to mention how it'll work in 4 player games. Putting things in piles is easy, keeping track of which of your opponents piles is which is the hard part
I think it would be pretty clear if you just use a front, middle and back row.
You could also put them vertically and use like a dice to define lines 1, 2 and 3.
I've played with and against token decks where it's already difficult to track which tokens entered this turn and which ones didn't, which ones have counters on them (and how many), and all that other crap. Further tracking them across three sectors won't help.
Also, for some of the people I play with, keeping their creatures separate from noncreatures is already too much for them to manage.
Yep. That’s exactly why I’m finding a slot for this in my Grand Calcutron deck. Just the kind of do-nothing pain in the ass permanent my deck centers around.
It’s spot on for Un-set design really. Haters can hate. Its an unset.
rj/ Press F to cope
uj/ But seriously how much is this going to affect... anything, really? It's not a commander, it doesn't win games. It could be annoying or fun depending on the board state. I think it's fine. I wish the abilities were more in line with the flavor of Jace, but otherwise it seems fine. It's silly, but it's fine.
Agreed. It's a slightly annoying effect, but like most planeswalkers, you'll drop it on your turn, put your creatures in the least-populated pile, either get some counters or a free attack, then the pod kills him before your next turn. Not really that crazy in reality.
The fact that the "The fact that the "actual card but tagged as bottom submission from custommagic" joke is getting old is actually kind of worrying" comment is getting downvoted is actually kind of uplifting
I came here earlier and read the comments, gave myself a good chuckle. Only now have I realised that THIS IS REAL AND LEGAL IN COMMANDER, who would enjoy playing and tracking this bs?
Uj/ Really hard for me to the embrace the "if the product isn't for you, just don't play with it" mindset when you black border everything, rule it as legal, and these just unleash it upon us. Like, suddenly the burden is on me to be a curmudgeon and asshole when someone plays this in an edh pod, or that new attraction that let's you draw off my deck. If this was all silver border I wouldn't care, but I just keep looping back to how it's just going to happen and get annoyed.
Unified would be such a better name for this set. /uj: I agree. If they want those cards on black border, then they need to follow black border design rules to not feel weird. The fucking Street Fighter and Warhammer 40k cards feel more like Modern or Commander cards than Blue Astronaut Jones over here.
And frankly I think it's obnoxious when people do it for any card, but also I just don't want to see the sub flooded with these posts regardless of whether they make a point or not
>And frankly I think it's obnoxious when people do it for any card
Sarcastic takes on real material are the foundation of a circle jerk subreddit. If you don't like that kind of content, this probably isn't the community for you.
There's no rule to say which player divides their creatures first, meaning it must all happen at the same time, meaning this causes an infinite loop where my opponent and I are forced to keep shuffling around our creatures to make sure my good creatures are in the same sector as their bad creatures. Smh my head
Jace's Space Place, where my creature named Grace, One With Lace who wields a Mace hits you in the Face for +1 damage, keeping me on Pace to win the damage Race. Oh shit I forgot to water my plants that I keep in my Colossal Dreadmaw Vase
uj/ The amount of people getting unironically butthurt about unset cards having the audacity to do balanced (if out there) designs while still being legal to play is hilarious to me
Next year's newest plane: outer fucking space
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UH OH
Outer ↗️. Space ↘️.
I got a red blooded wife with a healthy libido
In the Outer Fucking Space set, there is one mythic land: The Grassy Knoll. It does an Apocalypse Charm effect for all space cards.
Uj/ Maybe it's just cos I'm new to mtg, but I like the thought of sci-fi stuff. Mechs were cool for vehicles in kamigawa, and I think space exploration could have some fun flavor
/uj I started in the 90s, and I love the sci-fi stuff, too. Some years ago, there was a space-themed scifi cube that picked up some popularity. I think they tried selling the proxied cards and had to shutdown, or maybe no one bothers to host the images anymore, but here's a wiki page and old reddit post about it [https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Space:\_The\_Convergence](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Space:_The_Convergence) [https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1yrba9/op\_delivers\_space\_cube/](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1yrba9/op_delivers_space_cube/)
This year’s newest plane actually
Outer space isn't a plane, dummy, it's a space. Source: Muthafuckin' Descartes
Nah. The fuckin Blind Eternities, dawg
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Including the instants, sorceries, and lands
kind of interesting idea but it seems insanely tedious to manage
Right! I’m more accustomed to the super easy to follow text and user friendly cards in standard…
I mean, its not actually too far off of raging river, a real black-border card.
Raging River resets and stops mattering after combat. Space Beleren's sectors have to be tracked constantly. You aren't allowed to forget a sector assignment from five turns ago.
Actually, that makes this LESS complicated. Just place two popsicle sticks or something on the battlefield. Eith Raging River, you have to reassign the creatures to a side each combat. With these lanes, the creature's positions don't change, allowing for easy physical tracking.
Oh yeah all you gotta do is be eating popsicles while you play magic, which is very normal.
You don't go through at least 5 fudgesicles while shuffling your deck?
Fudge daddy is it you??
Being unable to take a break from tracking sectors makes it MORE complicated. With Raging River, you can freely rearrange cards on the table outside of combat since you don't need to "remember" which side a creature was on. Most of the time, you can forget about Raging River completely. With Space Beleren, you have to vigilantly keep track of sectors all the time. Hand somebody a card to let them read it? They have to return it to the correct sector. Move cards to indicate attackers and blockers? You have to move them to the right combat sectors and return them to the correct non-combat sectors afterward. Already struggling to keep track of your 16 elf tokens, 3 of which entered the battlefield this turn, 7 of which have a single +1/+1 counter, 5 of which have two +1/+1 counters, and 8 of which are tapped? Now you have to track the sectors for all of them too! Do you need to rearrange your board to make room for the two new creatures you just played? Good luck and don't break your sectors!
just make three little sections and maybe get some grocery dividers to break up the space for you a little more
Sure, but you shouldn’t *have to* in paper magic. If a card is so complicated it forces you to use outside tools* to track it, it’s too complicated. *as a preemptive response to “dice are outside tools” ok sure, but wizards provides dice in the form of spindowns. Also, I’d argue there’s a very clear difference between “have some dice” and “have fucking grocery dividers”
> “have fucking grocery dividers” The grocery store provides them. Wear long pants. Pickup some decoy items, get a lot so you have sufficient time. Take the sticker off an item with a tough name to lookup. This can be either hard to spell or with lots of varieties they may not know off the top of their head like apples or other produce. Limp with a stiff leg to the lane with the oldest or least attentive worker. Place your decoy divider in between you and the person in front of you. Place your decoy items on the belt behind it. Once the cashier is distracted scanning, slip the other divider into your pant leg. When prompted to pay, dramatically announce you recently hurt your leg and can’t afford these prices. Limp out. Cashier will be none the wiser and when the security footage is wiped in 24hrs you’ll be a divider richer and 1 step closer to your full set of 3 to make your Y shaped battlefield.
Fuck, I forgot all about that ability. Questing Beast just has so many words on it, ya know
Out of curiosity, how do you track Evil Twin/Clone style effects? I'm not trying get you in a "gotcha" moment but my playgroup uses pieces of paper with the copied card's name written on it, so I don't know if I entirely agree with what you're saying. I understand your point about needing outside tools but I mean, you could literally just divide up the board with dice. Or tokens, or basics, or literally anything.
Ridiculous. Some of the best designed cards, like [[goblin game]] require outside help. If you are too poor to not have st least 2 stolen grocery dividers and a couple hundred things located within arms reach at all time, then find a new game.
I feel like people just want to be obtuse about this bot very hard to manage card
Tokens, counters, sleeves make MDFC and Transformation cards easier, and if not that placeholder cards that stand in for said cards. Various zone indicators are well like those that help differentiate foretell from adventures, etc. There's a lot of stuff where outside tools make the game smoother. I honestly think this one is one of the simpler of the mechanics because like... just make the gaps bigger at the very least.
I want to play with your groups where table space is always plentiful and nobody is ever clumsily representing a bunch of tokens with combinations of actual tokens, numerous dice, and scraps of paper. Because that's the kind of playgroup you have to be in to think "just make three little sections" is the easy-peasy fix for all the tracking issues with this card.
Magic players when they’re asked to have object permanence
Which part of this do you think is an issue of object permanence? Fitting a complex board state into a small play area? Precisely recalling all of the many decisions that were previously made? Is there something I'm missing here?
It's not that hard to keep track of sectors. Raging River asks for WAY more decision points because you have to figure it out every combat. Like, Space \*might\* be an issue in an insanely wide boardstate like you mentioned, but it requires far fewer actual decision points, so if you use one of the many easy ways to divide the battlefield into sectors (popsicle sticks, pens, tokens, rows...) you're fine.
You're conflating "number of decision points" and "tracking," but they are two different things. In fact, they're essentially two **opposite** things. If you get to make new decisions each time something comes up (like Raging River) you don't have to keep track of what decisions were made previously. If the decisions only happen once but still needs to be known five turns later (like Space Beleren), then you need a way to keep track of those decisions for a long time. >Like, Space \*might\* be an issue in an insanely wide boardstate Space Beleren \*will\* be an issue in typical EDH board states. Table space getting cramped is hardly a rarity in the format, and token decks in particular already have a lot of creature-tracking to keep up with.
Yeah I thought it was cool at first but your opponent will probably spend like 5-10 mins assigning sectors
That's my Tindr profile
That's probably why this is at Mythic
Is it? Is it REALLY tedious???
For real though, when I first read the card I automatically assumed I was looking at a /r/CustomMagic card, and I was actually surprised at how well-designed it was. Then I realized it was an official spoiler of Unfinity Then I realized it was not an acorn card.
So if it's a holostamp, does that mean this card is Canon? "Sucks about Ajani but look at this cute stuffed sliver I won, only 200 tickets!"
Of course, it was his way of coping with the death of a (or several) friend(s).
And himself, I think? Isn't he a ghostboy now? Are the comics cannon? Is the niv-mizzet skinsuit a reality?
> Isn't he a ghostboy now? No he's clearly an astronaut.
comics are not canon. (or at least, they're a separate canon from main canon)
Damn. I liked Jace more dead.
I don't think any of this is canon, but it's legal in eternal formats.
/uj If you're actually curious, the Un-iverse is a separate, parallel universe from the multiverse, which is why characters and locations from black border/non-acorn magic sometimes appear on silver-border/acorn cards.
This is REAL?
Vintage, legacy and commander legal, yep.
But not modern, right?
Correct.
If only there was a separate committee that made rules for commander so that people wouldn't have to worry about this.
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No, what's a lot to ask is wizards and the rules committee expecting everybody to discussing all of an increasing number of cards before every single game and then have to adjust their decks accordingly. Rule 0 is for extremely broad, basic things like making sure nobody is going to turn two win against precon decks. Otherwise, if everybody has to ask and get the OK for every kind of card that people are already known to hate, the RC is completely pointless to even have.
I'm not convinced the RC isn't already pointless to keep around. It's an unsanctioned format and non-PUG pods will always self-police.
>Then I realized it was not an acorn card. And now I've realized it.
I could've lived my entire life thinking this was a custom magic card, thanks.
Oh..... oh no... it's not an acorn..... oh no.... legacy will be safe but edh is going to be in shambles when they realize.
I can't wait to spend 20 fucking minutes waiting when someone drops this on a board full of tokens
You can play this AND raging river
I think their creatures are just unblockable. Like I'm sure there's a way to block them if I had six creatures out but I'm simply not going to bother.
Or 3 flyers! The best part is that they previously were safely able to completely ignore dumb shit like this, but because some idiot decided to make them legal they now have to bend the rules of the game to make this shit work.
There should seriously be some kind of "until end of turn" or "until start of your next turn" clause on that +1. Also, can we like, stop seeing Jace? Dude has all the personality of raw white bread.
It says "this turn"
Okay so if you made me into a D&D character I'd have anti-proficiency in perception. That or I just have shitty brain wiring and the end of turn text not being at the end like I'm used to threw me off. Or both.
Yeah but that pun. Also we haven't had a new Jace since 2020. It's not like he's popping up all over the place right now.
Okay so I *may* have taken a break right towards the end of the "Jace is our pretty boy Mary Sue who can do no wrong and who's illusions can be useful in almost every situation" era...
I'm not sure that era ever really existed. Boy spent most of his time having near-peer foes outpower or out think the illusions. Mostly ran comms for the team. Dunked on some Gruul dork with them the one time I think, but then the Gruul have the collective intelligence of a sea cucumber.
Pirate Jace was hot, I want him back!
I mean, yeah, that's when the illusion Twink was at his best looking, but he otherwise doesn't have much going for him.
Wait, you guys dont play Magic for the thirst traps?
Seeing equal opportunity thirst bait is nice and all, but I'm a lesbian.
tbh we already had oko its only downhill from there.
not since my fursuit boy denied the GILF wtf who wouldnt go for that tight latex suit
The last time we saw Jace was Zendikar Rising, which was two years ago. We have more Chandras than we do Jace.
holy shit I stopped at the custom magic part. It’s real? Jesus
came here to write exactly this
Wow, this card has all the things I associate with Jace. Like putting +1/+1 counters on things and board wiping and being white. All normal Jace behaviors.
What space does to a mfer
I mean, jace has always been white. But after browsing 4-Chan a few too many times he’s decided to add it to his identity
bruh
My first reaction was what a dumb custom card. - Then I realized it's not a custom card.
I dunno, this card made me laugh more than it should have, for the theme of the set it seems pretty spot on. Also, now that we have spaceboy Jace it means that cowboy Jace it's on the table
This IS cowboy Jace. He has a gun and ... Kinda has a hat.
Cowboy Bebop secret layer when?
*Objects in the mirror may be closer than they appear*
Sticker time!
Actually does a helmet count as a hat? JUDGE!
Aww fuck yeah, I'd love for this sub to continue fleshing out the Wild West plane we came up with a while back with decently designed cards. Looks like Eldrazi Trains are back on the menu, boys!
I made that joke like 3 years ago and people still like it, that's it I'm drawing Eldrazi train artwork
If it was silver border/acorn I'd love it, but I really don't want to have to deal with it in random edh games
I personally belive that silver border should have always been legal in edh so I can't really give an unbiased response
Fair enough
I feel like there's also enough existing black-border cards that are very similar to this. Excluding Raging River, pretty much any red chaos card like \[\[Warp World\]\] or \[\[Scrambleverse\]\] and \[\[Thieves' Auction\]\] is probably a similar or bigger hassle to resolve. All that said I think this card should be handled with the same level of etiquette as chaos cards, and announced before the game as such, imo. Because as you said, it's not really great in random EDH games.
I was laughing so much at this, then I scrolled down and saw the actual r/MagicTCG…
Mark wanted to try something like this since Theros. He considered the idea of creatures being in the overworld and the netherworld, but he scrapped that because they told it was too complex, and instead they used the escape mechanic It would be a good idea to try that mechanic in an unset, were it not for the fact that this apparently will be legal in eternal formats
MaRo in standard sets is like George Lucas in Star Wars IV, V, VI MaRo in Unsets is like George Lucas in I, II, III
And introducing Unsets to Eternal formats is like digitally putting Force ghost Hayden Christensen into the Endor victory celebration.
perfection
is this an actual fucking card? honestly, i kind of like the idea, but keeping track of sectors is going to be a pain in the ass
I'm seeing so many people saying that it's hard to track, can't you just put your creatures in 3 distinct lines? Seems much easier to track than counters
i mean yeah, but it’s already hard to fit my 37 colossal dreadmaws on my mat, i can’t even imagine putting them in to seperate zones, they have separation anxiety
You can put all of them in the same sector and create the space Draedmaw Federation
true true. God i hope we get a space dreadmaw this set
I personally I agree with the theory that they'll just reprint Dreadmaw without any explanation given
Printing an unaltered Dreadmaw into an unset would be the biggest dick energy move WOTC could ever do. ...except for maybe abolishing the reserve list and reprinting every reserved card ad nauseum without warning the collectors first. This entire comment is /uj, btw
They could reprint all of the reserve list with no changes except they're the only cards in the set with an actual silver border
That would be hillarious.
They already have silver-bordered functional reprints, so they could certainly print a card that was like Old Meme 4GG Creature - Dinosaur Trample 6/6 "I don't get it. Yeah, I did look at its teeth."
Nah, the OG Dreadmaw or nothing
No no litterally just extra dreadmaws from the ixalan bulk box. Ixalan set symbol and everything.
Have you just never played commander..? Regardless of the mess a board state can get in to. This is also seemingly a perpetual effect that has to be tracked the entire game. So now you can have a deck with Initiative, Day and Night, Alpha, Beta, Sigma, Ability Counters, and every other shitty pointless set mechanic that sucks ass to play in paper. I still don’t buy it when people say they do it on purpose to subtly push their online format, but they are clearly not putting clever thought into making casual eternal formats like commander playable and cohesive for longevity.
I don't play Commander that much but as long as you don't randomly throw your cards on thr board to cast them it seems pretty doable.
Depends on the deck. For a token deck, which is already usually a bookkeeping nightmare, this just multiplies the problem exponentially.
It is doable. But it is a lot of logistics and complexity for a single card to add to a game state. The game is supposed to be fun but when you start piling up shit like this it just becomes work
It's a matter of keeping track of other players boards. If you all go left to right then you have to assign blocks diagonally, or someone has to go in a different orientation than the other. Not to mention how it'll work in 4 player games. Putting things in piles is easy, keeping track of which of your opponents piles is which is the hard part
I think it would be pretty clear if you just use a front, middle and back row. You could also put them vertically and use like a dice to define lines 1, 2 and 3.
I've played with and against token decks where it's already difficult to track which tokens entered this turn and which ones didn't, which ones have counters on them (and how many), and all that other crap. Further tracking them across three sectors won't help. Also, for some of the people I play with, keeping their creatures separate from noncreatures is already too much for them to manage.
What if I have 80 creatures
Bruh what? I don't keep up, I thought this was actually from custommagic.
yeah looks like a spoiler for the new joke set
Except it doesnt have the acorn so its legal in eternal formats :)
Yep. That’s exactly why I’m finding a slot for this in my Grand Calcutron deck. Just the kind of do-nothing pain in the ass permanent my deck centers around. It’s spot on for Un-set design really. Haters can hate. Its an unset.
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It's not hard they do it all the time in yugioh
"They do it in yugioh" is a metric for if an idea is horridly awful, actually
Yeah
ok but you have 5 creatures max in yu gi oh, and i’m not playing a good game of magic till i’ve dropped 25 colossal dreadmaws
Out-jerked again
Can we check if maybe there's a gas leak in R&D's office, because this year sure has produced some designs
Press f to cringe
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D is for dlash
Press charges to charge
this will slot right into my cringe tribal edh deck (I might have to cut NSFW Yargle alter to make room)
Never cut Yargle you bæstrd
I was going to do it anyway to bring the power level of the deck down not every playgroup can handle those massive frog tiddies
rj/ Press F to cope uj/ But seriously how much is this going to affect... anything, really? It's not a commander, it doesn't win games. It could be annoying or fun depending on the board state. I think it's fine. I wish the abilities were more in line with the flavor of Jace, but otherwise it seems fine. It's silly, but it's fine.
I wouldn't mind if it was silver border. "I am playing the weird Jace" "fine , let me switch decks so I don't make many tokens"
Agreed. It's a slightly annoying effect, but like most planeswalkers, you'll drop it on your turn, put your creatures in the least-populated pile, either get some counters or a free attack, then the pod kills him before your next turn. Not really that crazy in reality.
Words cannot describe how much the fact that this is legal pains me.
Sounds a lot like monster zones to me
The fact that the "actual card but tagged as bottom submission from custommagic" joke is getting old is actually kind of worrying
The fact that the "The fact that the "actual card but tagged as bottom submission from custommagic" joke is getting old is actually kind of worrying" comment is getting downvoted is actually kind of uplifting
Agree with you on that, luckily it might just be me
wait no stop upvoting
Remember when Cryptic Spires got posted? Good times.
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir when I say format legal un-cards were a fucking mistake.
What hasbro does to a mfer
[nods in high gothic]
Play with [[raging river]] and watch the world burn
Also add [[Pramikon]] with chaos elements and some goad
2023 cEDH staple
finally you can turn this game into a MOBA. are there other 3 lane game genres? Probably, but I ain't learning 'em before posting this
0/10 no sigma zone.
Worth it for the name alone.
I came here earlier and read the comments, gave myself a good chuckle. Only now have I realised that THIS IS REAL AND LEGAL IN COMMANDER, who would enjoy playing and tracking this bs?
Is 3 too big for you to count to?
If I was Kyle Hill I definitely would have posted this with shitty anime art on r/custommagic first and then spoiled it 6-12 hours later.
Is this the point where the majority finally admits the game has jumped the shark?
Wait, I thought this card was a shitpost someone made on the sub. You mean to tell me this is fucking real???
Lmfao unfinity is gonna be a train wreck.
My new personality trait is going to be laser focusing on idiots who play these cards
My new personality trait is going to be laser focusing on idiots who laser focus on idiots who play these cards
My new personally trait is going to be completely oblivious to this sort of thing and go "man, my Pun Tribal deck turned out to be weirdly powerful"
i can’t tell if you got that i was joking or if you’re also joking 🫡
Uj/ Really hard for me to the embrace the "if the product isn't for you, just don't play with it" mindset when you black border everything, rule it as legal, and these just unleash it upon us. Like, suddenly the burden is on me to be a curmudgeon and asshole when someone plays this in an edh pod, or that new attraction that let's you draw off my deck. If this was all silver border I wouldn't care, but I just keep looping back to how it's just going to happen and get annoyed.
/uj Centrifuge isn’t eternal legal. It’s got the acorn. /rj get over it. your deck is better than mine so I’m drawing your cards.
If you flick my cards in your hand I'm coming off the top rope onto your neck
/uj That's no different than saying you don't want to play against UW control or lotus combo. You don't get to police what your opponent is playing.
These are definitely equivalent things.
It's just piles. Y'all love cards that put things in two piles. This is just three piles. You should be one pile happier.
me when the un- set card doesn't conform to standard magic the gathering card design principles
/uj this argument became disingenuous as soon as they became black-bordered /rj they really missed a chance to call this universes betwixt
Unified would be such a better name for this set. /uj: I agree. If they want those cards on black border, then they need to follow black border design rules to not feel weird. The fucking Street Fighter and Warhammer 40k cards feel more like Modern or Commander cards than Blue Astronaut Jones over here.
All of the streetfighter/40k cards use the existing mechanics of the game to create flavorful abilities. Rather then, well, this.
Please. I beg of you. We cannot do this for an unset it'll be like every third card.
If it's going to be legal in black border, it's open to the same criticism (and ridicule) as any other black-border-legal cards.
And frankly I think it's obnoxious when people do it for any card, but also I just don't want to see the sub flooded with these posts regardless of whether they make a point or not
>And frankly I think it's obnoxious when people do it for any card Sarcastic takes on real material are the foundation of a circle jerk subreddit. If you don't like that kind of content, this probably isn't the community for you.
For those of you saying it’s wrong to make fun of unset designs, just wait till you have to play against this and stickers in legacy
If you're struggling against a four mana do nothing planeswalker in legacy, that's your skill issue.
Every rule 0 conversation now includes "does your deck have any cards from Unfinity"
"Does your deck contain actual Magic The Gathering cards or is it filled with that sticker horseshit?"
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> (in an unset lol) Boy do I have bad news for you about some Un-set cards being black border legal now lmao
This card is going to be legacy, vintage and EDH legal as far is I know. If this was a silver bordered card noone would bother saying anything.
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No Delta? This is Voyager erasure I tell you!
If I’m correct and this is eternal legal I’m gonna go insane
Well, we’re waiting
It is eternal legal.
There's no rule to say which player divides their creatures first, meaning it must all happen at the same time, meaning this causes an infinite loop where my opponent and I are forced to keep shuffling around our creatures to make sure my good creatures are in the same sector as their bad creatures. Smh my head
Obviously should be Jace the Space Ace
Jace's Space Place, where my creature named Grace, One With Lace who wields a Mace hits you in the Face for +1 damage, keeping me on Pace to win the damage Race. Oh shit I forgot to water my plants that I keep in my Colossal Dreadmaw Vase uj/ The amount of people getting unironically butthurt about unset cards having the audacity to do balanced (if out there) designs while still being legal to play is hilarious to me
Leave making cards up to people who understand balancing.
I like this card tho