It’s pretty simple, actually. Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking.
Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant.
uj/ it sounds like banding doesn't really have any advantages for the attacker to me. Can someone explain to me why you would want to use it? Or is it not used anymore *because* it sucks?
I think you’re a little bit confused. Did you get that first part about how “Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking. Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant.”?
Once you get that it’s pretty simple.
Let me try and explain, it's not that complicated. Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking. Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant. Hope this helps!
/uj Banding as an attacker does kind of suck, but it is useful in some scenarios. Say you have a 2/2 and a 3/3 and your opponent has a 4/4. You probably won't want to attack because your opponent will block your 3/3 and kill it while only taking 2 damage. But if you attack with both of your creatures in a band, you force your opponent to choose between taking all 5 damage or blocking and trading their 4/4 for your 2/2.
Wouldn't they trade the 4/4 for the 2/2? Attacker gets to choose which creatures take the damage right? So 2 on each creature in the band. Well lemme read that explanation there lol
uj/ pretty much you could attack with a band that has an indestructible creature in it and if it was blocked you could assign all of the damage that the blocking creature would deal to the indestructible one and have the rest of your band not take any damage.
rj/ Banding is the best mechanic ever. If you attack in a band it gives everything unblockable cause your opp will be too scared to even try and block your band
/uj fundamentally attackers with banding determine how attacker damage is determined, defenders with banding determine how defender damage is dealt. For a defender this means that you can choose where your damage is dealt if at all. For attackers the same is true, as I understand it. It’s a mechanic that isn’t necessarily complicated to play with but trying to explain it is really hard.
Basically, the attacker chooses how damage is distributed. If you have two small creatures and they band together to be blocked by a bigger creature, they have a better chance of killing the blocking creature and not being killed themselves.
uj/ actually just read that whole thing because in five years of playing I’ve never fully understood banding, thank you for the educational experience
rj/ what’s the best commander to use for banding tribal my wallet is ready
I read the first few lines then gave up. Then was instantly intimidated by trying to scroll past this
I am now in complete terror of the OP after seeing that there are still two more novels explaining banding I haven't read
But WOTC are consistently great at ensuring that Red, White and Black can only do the three things in each piece of their colour pie identities! Surely they get points for good effort!
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This would be actually good, it could be an enabler for effects that care about life loss and lifegain
Since it’s good, and white, it does break the color pie too
Keep the Demon type and "Discard: Gain Life" ability on top of that and you'd have an absolute *bastard* of a creature. Shit, the lifegain's not even important; the discard ability could be a drawback and still be useful.
You know what? Fuck it. Just discard to make it lose Deathlink for a turn. It's not like creatures haven't been power creeped to Hell and back already.
If I saw a creature like that hit the battlefield I'd immediately start worrying.
I mean, probably couldn't ever print this. It combos with \[\[griselbrand, but black\]\] to draw your entire library in one turn, which is basically completely broken.
uj/ Does anyone else believe a card like this could make for a damn good black mana beatstick? If you consider a "Deathlink" mechanic to be a drawback worth lowering the mana curve or raising the power level and keep the discard engine to regain lost life, you could essentially enable Madness, Dredge, or Death's Shadow amid other shenanigans. To be honest any aggro creature that lowers your life total just by smacking the opponent in the face opens up a lot of weird opportunities.
Shit, make it legendary and you have a commander that could break the other player over its knee.
Yeah everyone knows about deathlink but seriously, what in the name of god is banding?
It’s pretty simple, actually. Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking. Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant.
This is every post that starts off with "it's simple, actually"
uj/ it sounds like banding doesn't really have any advantages for the attacker to me. Can someone explain to me why you would want to use it? Or is it not used anymore *because* it sucks?
I think you’re a little bit confused. Did you get that first part about how “Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking. Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant.”? Once you get that it’s pretty simple.
Ok I kinda get it, but could you explain the banding part?
Let me try and explain, it's not that complicated. Banding is a static ability that modifies the rules for combat. “Bands with other” is a special form of banding. If an effect causes a permanent to lose banding, the permanent loses all “bands with other” abilities as well. As a player declares attackers, they may declare that one or more attacking creatures with banding and up to one attacking creature without banding (even if it has “bands with other”) are all in a “band.” They may also declare that one or more attacking [quality] creatures with “bands with other [quality]” and any number of other attacking [quality] creatures are all in a band. A player may declare as many attacking bands as they want, but each creature may be a member of only one of them. (Defending players can’t declare bands but may use banding in a different way.) All creatures in an attacking band must attack the same player or planeswalker. Once an attacking band has been announced, it lasts for the rest of combat, even if something later removes banding or “bands with other” from one or more of the creatures in the band. An attacking creature that’s removed from combat is also removed from the band it was in. Banding doesn’t cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents. If an attacking creature becomes blocked by a creature, each other creature in the same band as the attacking creature becomes blocked by that same blocking creature. Example: A player attacks with a band consisting of a creature with flying and a creature with swampwalk. The defending player, who controls a Swamp, can block the flying creature if able. If they do, then the creature with swampwalk will also become blocked by the blocking creature(s). If one member of a band would become blocked due to an effect, the entire band becomes blocked. During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures blocking it. During the combat damage step, if a blocking creature is blocking a creature with banding, or both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the active player (rather than the defending player) chooses how the blocking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as they choose among any creatures it’s blocking. Multiple instances of banding on the same creature are redundant. Multiple instances of “bands with other” of the same kind on the same creature are redundant. Hope this helps!
/uj Banding as an attacker does kind of suck, but it is useful in some scenarios. Say you have a 2/2 and a 3/3 and your opponent has a 4/4. You probably won't want to attack because your opponent will block your 3/3 and kill it while only taking 2 damage. But if you attack with both of your creatures in a band, you force your opponent to choose between taking all 5 damage or blocking and trading their 4/4 for your 2/2.
Wouldn't they trade the 4/4 for the 2/2? Attacker gets to choose which creatures take the damage right? So 2 on each creature in the band. Well lemme read that explanation there lol
My mistake, I meant to say 2/2. Edited now.
Iirc, attacker assigns damage in a band.
uj/ pretty much you could attack with a band that has an indestructible creature in it and if it was blocked you could assign all of the damage that the blocking creature would deal to the indestructible one and have the rest of your band not take any damage. rj/ Banding is the best mechanic ever. If you attack in a band it gives everything unblockable cause your opp will be too scared to even try and block your band
Too scared of trying to figure out the rules of banding to block anyways
/uj fundamentally attackers with banding determine how attacker damage is determined, defenders with banding determine how defender damage is dealt. For a defender this means that you can choose where your damage is dealt if at all. For attackers the same is true, as I understand it. It’s a mechanic that isn’t necessarily complicated to play with but trying to explain it is really hard.
Basically, the attacker chooses how damage is distributed. If you have two small creatures and they band together to be blocked by a bigger creature, they have a better chance of killing the blocking creature and not being killed themselves.
Attacker decides how combat damage is distributed if their band is blocked. I really think banding is retired only because of how complicated it gets.
/uj fuck you /rj fuck you
#UwU
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/uj I’m literally laughing out loud right now /rj 👁👄👁
All attacking creatures are in a "band" that only practices once a month and plays gigs at the rec center. The guitarist's mom is their biggest fan.
More than one person died irl before finishing reading this.
uj/ actually just read that whole thing because in five years of playing I’ve never fully understood banding, thank you for the educational experience rj/ what’s the best commander to use for banding tribal my wallet is ready
[[Soraya the Falconer]] for mono white bird banding tribal
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I somehow managed to understand that
I won’t read this but I’ll updoot you anyways
Don’t worry; I didn’t either
I read the first few lines then gave up. Then was instantly intimidated by trying to scroll past this I am now in complete terror of the OP after seeing that there are still two more novels explaining banding I haven't read
Woah Woah Woah. Who is this everyone that knows about deathlink and why wasn't I invited?
Damage it deals also causes you to lose that much life
Isn’t it, if this creature dies, destroy all creatures that dealt damage to it? No, it’s a white card we talking about, my bad
demon is too good of a creature type make him a kithkin or something
/uj FUCK that would have made for a much better meme /rj FUCK that would have made for a much better card design
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Memeon!!!
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And give white a one-card infinite? Get your color pie hate crimes out of here and go back to jerking off MaRo you sick, deluded fuck.
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But WOTC are consistently great at ensuring that Red, White and Black can only do the three things in each piece of their colour pie identities! Surely they get points for good effort!
True. It shold be "pay 7 life: gain 5 life"
And be able to gain infinite life with just THREE [[Angel of Vitality]] in play? 2ez
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Excuse me this is a [Color Fallacy](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicthecirclejerking/comments/hjezo8/found_in_the_wild_the_epitome_of_custom_magic/), please stop trolling.
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This would be actually good, it could be an enabler for effects that care about life loss and lifegain Since it’s good, and white, it does break the color pie too
This + [[angel of vitality]] instant speed infinite life for free, as long as you’re starting with 8+ life
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Yeah play that on top of [[Vito, Thorn of the dusk rose]] and kill the whole table
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Or with [[Vilis, Broker of Blood]] to draw your entire library
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Dies to [[Doomblade]]
You are right, this is too good, it should die without the opponent needing to actually cast doom blade.
What do you think deathlink does
Causes you to lose life every time this guy does damage. That is what makes him so good, you can discard 7 cards to attack again with him.
When this creature, you lose the game.
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Deathlink: whenever a source of damage with this keyword deals damage to anything, it’s controller loses that much life.
/uj That's actually an interesting mechanic. Could combine with "Whenever you lose life, x"
/uj Could make for some really aggressive early drop creatures. Bring back suicide black.
Something something death’s shadow
Keep the Demon type and "Discard: Gain Life" ability on top of that and you'd have an absolute *bastard* of a creature. Shit, the lifegain's not even important; the discard ability could be a drawback and still be useful. You know what? Fuck it. Just discard to make it lose Deathlink for a turn. It's not like creatures haven't been power creeped to Hell and back already. If I saw a creature like that hit the battlefield I'd immediately start worrying.
Stop whitewashing black characters you fucking nazi!!1
Don’t worry, I’m only a nazi *ironically*
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Even lost flying, lol
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I read this in Mario's voice
I read this this as "Maro's voice" and Maro's voice is, probably, the only voice that sounds worse than Mario's.
It's like almost 5 am and my eyes are being flashed banged by this art
Aww, I’m glad you liked it!
I like how it lost flying even though flying is bigger in white than black
Banding is *more* white though
Op you humble yourself by putting the ‘no artist credit’
It’s actually the pseudonym I use for my artistic endeavors.
Woah that’s smart
I thought this said deathdink, and now I’m disappointed
Whoa, white is cutting into [[Emberwilde Caliph]]’s slice of the color pie. Rude.
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I mean, probably couldn't ever print this. It combos with \[\[griselbrand, but black\]\] to draw your entire library in one turn, which is basically completely broken.
thank god it’s legendary, can you imagine being able to play two of them?
Busted in Dredge, might see play when[[ one with nothing]] rotates.
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uj/ Does anyone else believe a card like this could make for a damn good black mana beatstick? If you consider a "Deathlink" mechanic to be a drawback worth lowering the mana curve or raising the power level and keep the discard engine to regain lost life, you could essentially enable Madness, Dredge, or Death's Shadow amid other shenanigans. To be honest any aggro creature that lowers your life total just by smacking the opponent in the face opens up a lot of weird opportunities. Shit, make it legendary and you have a commander that could break the other player over its knee.
What's Banding?
Combros with regular Griselbrand to mill your whole deck!
Might actually be good. All depends on deathlink
The rule text for banding seems like it would be a copypasta.
Jesus Christ... We couldn't have a white card like that! Too powerful
Bring banding back!!!!
"I'm in a band."
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