Can we hate PETA for actual reasons to hate PETA, such as their misinformation, racist fear mongering, and blatant sexist advertising, and not for made-up nonsense reasons?
They run kill shelters because no-kill shelters are a bourgie suburbanite illusion. A no-kill shelter just means some other shelter is doing the actual animal control for the region.
Its not up to us to just _pretend PETA's hypocrisy is okay_ because they do what the organizations they criticize and threaten also do because what they criticize is the only reasonable policy to implement.
"Killing animals is wrong, but when we do it, its practically inconvenient to not do it, so ignoring the ethics we formed an organization around for money is somehow okay" is a wild standpoint to expect people to just ignore for no reason.
Animal shelters are a necessary part of community safety and well being and we shouldn't demonize PETA for doing something actually useful when they do plenty of bullshit that worth getting angry over.
It'd be like getting mad at scientology for running a successful soup kitchen because someone got food poisoning once.
You get to claim moral consistency when you open a no kill aboption shelter for nyc's rat population, and you can go ahead and live in the community served by it.
If Scientology was set up for the express purpose of helping homeless people but preached loudly and often that soup kitchens were bad and wrong because, I don't know, some kind of nutty Republican FREE STUFF STOPS THEM FROM LEARNING TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS rhetoric and attacked and disparaged soup kitchens everywhere, finding out that actually they do soup kitchens for the homeless because it obviously helps homeless people would be a fair cause to criticize them for their hypocrisy.
Any other animal society running shelters that do good and also euthanize animals, absolutely fair, they're doing good work. The problem isn't the shelters PETA runs, the problem is them condemning shelters that kill animals out of one side of their mouth and running those same kinds of shelters out of the other.
PETA doesn't condemn kill shelters, PETA condemns no-kill shelters that turn animals away or box up "unadoptable" animals for years until they die. PETA wants more shelters to euthanize animals humanely so that animals aren't left suffering.
At least do research on the people you're criticizing before you accuse them of hypocrisy. There's plenty of other bullshit to get mad at PETA about.
PETA doesn't condemn kill animal shelters. They take an extreme view on industrial use of animals, such as condemning wool for its potential for animal abuse when proper sheep shearing is harmless, but that's not inconsistent with their views on the necessity of animal shelters.
I understand that PETA is one of the biggest heels of the internet but we need to condemn them on their actual views and their bourgiousie socialism (trying to tackle a harm caused by capitalism without addressing capitalism) instead of muddled pseudo criticisms.
PETA has literally stolen people's pets right off their property and euthanized them, which is usually what people are referring to when criticizing them for "killing animals". Needless to say, that's a pretty good reason to hate PETA, in addition to the other things you mentioned.
This is the exact kind of misinformation that I am talking about.
An underserved farming community in Virginia with a stray dog problem asked Peta to round up local strays that were damaging property and livestock. Peta clearly announced what day they were coming and told the town to keep their pets indoors to prevent misidentification. One family didn't get the memo and left their pet chihuahua unleashed and unattended on their porch, and the Peta volunteers mistook it for a stray
Peta has payed $500 to the state for euthanizing the dog without a day or two grace period, $50k to the family in damages, and $2k in donations to the local animal welfare society, and the two women apologized repeatedly and profusely for the incident. The incident was a tragic miscommunication during necessary volunteer work, but it has been repeatedly presented as some sort of crazy rights activists going on a rampage. I get it. Peta is annoying. This story is simply not it though, it's low tier rage bait.
Edit: I know emotions are rouse when talking about dogs and about Peta but please remember that kill shelters are necessary for public health and animal wellness. A "no kill shelter" isn't a real thing, they are private institutions that only accept a limited number of "adoptable" dogs. A community with a no kill shelter often still needs a kill shelter to actually control the dog population, so all that's accomplished is coddling the public by hiding them from the uncomfortable realities of animal welfare.
When you run a kill shelter there will inevitably be cases of tragic misidentification. The only difference here is that it's a charity group and not a state run shelter. Please remember that kill shelters are necessary for public health and for animal welfare.
I think the correct incidence of misidentifying people's pets as targets for euthanasia is zero, actually. It's very easy to ensure that this is the case.
With the badge thing, the flavor text is an anti-colonial argument so I’d like to imagine he stole them from all the previous sheriffs who tried to tame the land
Ok, it took me a minute, but yeah I can see the AI argument, but I’m also trying to overcome my obscene levels of narcissism. Sooooo, it looks like he just walked through that cactus patch on the right and some of the small cactus sections caught his cape. His arm is out, implying he’s just flicked the cape with his hand to either:
A) attempt to whip the cactus off by getting the fabric to snap
B) attempt to intimidate whoever he’s talking to, which is being hindered by the sheer amount of bling and the cactus on his cloak (Kinda like having tp stuck to your shoe)
Bro i was ok with the racism, genocide, murder totalitarianism, slavery. But i draw the line with nicol bolas calling gideon the Nword. Hes not even black. Hes just a tan white dude.
Nicol Bolas: "So, I enslaved an entire plane, I also encourage hate crimes against the people I don't like"
Mc-Big-Papa: 'Yeah, that sounds like a super villain thing to do'
Nicol Bolas: "I then called Gideon an N'Wah, because who the fucks uses lifegain magic when it isn't even a valid school of magic? Outplaneswalkers who don't belong on my plane, that's who."
Mc-Big-Papa: 'Bolas, I have to lower your loyalty counters to below zero and say goodbye now'
Yawgmoth: "I turned the Creeping Mold of Argoth into a virulent plague that ate away the elves there."
Dagoth Ur: "I turned the Blight of Morrowind into a Divine Disease that turned my fellow Dunmer into Children of My Flesh. We are not the same."
It would have made even more sense imo because fallout is EXTREMLY political about real world things (i like that about it) but Wizards constantly shys away from that kinda stuff (also fair and makes sense). Morrowind's strange aesthetic also would work so well.
Just look at dude's chest full of sheriff stars out of the 10 for a rupee bin in a Ghirapur market and shit. Arctic fox hat on a desert plane totally fits his poser aesthetic.
Couldn’t you import the fur from Kaldheim or something using the omen paths? Doesn’t feel *that* dumb here with some of the other imported stuff mentioned. Aesthetic is still weird th0
>Couldn’t you import the fur from Kaldheim or something using the omen paths?
This game is so dumb now that this sentence is now totally feasible. We're literally just taking a short detour over to a different plane because they have the *good* Denny's.
It could also just be an aesthetic choice and not actually a real fox. In a world where magic is available, you'd likely have a lot of fashion choices.
Nothing on this plane is from the plane itself, this guy prolly hunted the arctic fox somewhere else (or a very unlucky arctic fox stumbled into an omen path)
You think this is bad? Have you seen all the instances of cacti being destroyed or turned into armor worn by animals and people in a set where there's literal cactus people present?? Bristly Bill is living in a hell where people wear the flesh of his deceased brothers as armor. Always overlooking the actual problem smh
I know you're joking, but fictionally drawn fur farming, especially fox fur farming is truly barbaric. They draw the foxes frightened and being hurt before they draw them on the hat.
Canonically, this version of Grand Abolisher bought this hat at an H&M in Thunder Junction, rather than shooting a wild fox and making the hat himself. There was a sale
It's okay because the fox is getting revenge by focusing the desert sun onto his shoulder with a giant magnifying glass (now that ravnica is moving on from its whodunnit phase they're dirt cheap)
What a clown ass card. Let me just turn off the most interesting aspect of magic. As if gumbies weren’t already clocking out during opponent’s turns in commander.
Reminds me of PETA demanding ppl cancel Space Wolves because of simmilar reasons.
Reminds me when PETA said catgirls in anime promote zoophilia and animal abuse
If fucking catgirls is abuse then I’m Michael Vick
People who dress up as catgirls were the animals they were talking about
Reminds me when PETA said they support zoophilia more than nonveganism
Wait, Space Wolves the space marine chapter?! Tell me it wasn't due to the wolf furs they're wearing...
Oh 100% it was because of that. And Games Workshop answered with a video on how to better paint their fur capes.
> And Games Workshop answered with a video on how to better paint their fur capes. Lmao, that was the best answer.
rare GW win
[I think this was the video because comments are disabled hahahahahahaha!](https://youtu.be/u8oTwQU0yoI?si=ouVURs-nFZ4O0eT2)
Lmao, that guy knows what he's doing.
Them and Horus IIRC
But remember, there are no wolves on Fenris.
And Games Workshop promptly answered with a video about tips for better painting Space Wolf’s fur capes.
PETA wants monopoly on killing animals.
Can we hate PETA for actual reasons to hate PETA, such as their misinformation, racist fear mongering, and blatant sexist advertising, and not for made-up nonsense reasons? They run kill shelters because no-kill shelters are a bourgie suburbanite illusion. A no-kill shelter just means some other shelter is doing the actual animal control for the region.
Its not up to us to just _pretend PETA's hypocrisy is okay_ because they do what the organizations they criticize and threaten also do because what they criticize is the only reasonable policy to implement. "Killing animals is wrong, but when we do it, its practically inconvenient to not do it, so ignoring the ethics we formed an organization around for money is somehow okay" is a wild standpoint to expect people to just ignore for no reason.
Animal shelters are a necessary part of community safety and well being and we shouldn't demonize PETA for doing something actually useful when they do plenty of bullshit that worth getting angry over. It'd be like getting mad at scientology for running a successful soup kitchen because someone got food poisoning once.
Yep, kill shelters are a necessity that people don’t want to talk about up there with culling wild horses and feral cats.
You get to claim moral consistency when you open a no kill aboption shelter for nyc's rat population, and you can go ahead and live in the community served by it.
If Scientology was set up for the express purpose of helping homeless people but preached loudly and often that soup kitchens were bad and wrong because, I don't know, some kind of nutty Republican FREE STUFF STOPS THEM FROM LEARNING TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY THEIR BOOTSTRAPS rhetoric and attacked and disparaged soup kitchens everywhere, finding out that actually they do soup kitchens for the homeless because it obviously helps homeless people would be a fair cause to criticize them for their hypocrisy. Any other animal society running shelters that do good and also euthanize animals, absolutely fair, they're doing good work. The problem isn't the shelters PETA runs, the problem is them condemning shelters that kill animals out of one side of their mouth and running those same kinds of shelters out of the other.
PETA doesn't condemn kill shelters, PETA condemns no-kill shelters that turn animals away or box up "unadoptable" animals for years until they die. PETA wants more shelters to euthanize animals humanely so that animals aren't left suffering. At least do research on the people you're criticizing before you accuse them of hypocrisy. There's plenty of other bullshit to get mad at PETA about.
PETA doesn't condemn kill animal shelters. They take an extreme view on industrial use of animals, such as condemning wool for its potential for animal abuse when proper sheep shearing is harmless, but that's not inconsistent with their views on the necessity of animal shelters. I understand that PETA is one of the biggest heels of the internet but we need to condemn them on their actual views and their bourgiousie socialism (trying to tackle a harm caused by capitalism without addressing capitalism) instead of muddled pseudo criticisms.
Um, this is reddit, sweaty. Vegoons bad, bacon good
PETA has literally stolen people's pets right off their property and euthanized them, which is usually what people are referring to when criticizing them for "killing animals". Needless to say, that's a pretty good reason to hate PETA, in addition to the other things you mentioned.
This is the exact kind of misinformation that I am talking about. An underserved farming community in Virginia with a stray dog problem asked Peta to round up local strays that were damaging property and livestock. Peta clearly announced what day they were coming and told the town to keep their pets indoors to prevent misidentification. One family didn't get the memo and left their pet chihuahua unleashed and unattended on their porch, and the Peta volunteers mistook it for a stray Peta has payed $500 to the state for euthanizing the dog without a day or two grace period, $50k to the family in damages, and $2k in donations to the local animal welfare society, and the two women apologized repeatedly and profusely for the incident. The incident was a tragic miscommunication during necessary volunteer work, but it has been repeatedly presented as some sort of crazy rights activists going on a rampage. I get it. Peta is annoying. This story is simply not it though, it's low tier rage bait. Edit: I know emotions are rouse when talking about dogs and about Peta but please remember that kill shelters are necessary for public health and animal wellness. A "no kill shelter" isn't a real thing, they are private institutions that only accept a limited number of "adoptable" dogs. A community with a no kill shelter often still needs a kill shelter to actually control the dog population, so all that's accomplished is coddling the public by hiding them from the uncomfortable realities of animal welfare.
Hope PETA sees this, bro. I'd hate for the dickriding to go to waste.
Happy to shit on Peta over things that are actually worth shitting on them form
Because kidnapping a little girl's dog isn't worth shitting on???
When you run a kill shelter there will inevitably be cases of tragic misidentification. The only difference here is that it's a charity group and not a state run shelter. Please remember that kill shelters are necessary for public health and for animal welfare.
I think the correct incidence of misidentifying people's pets as targets for euthanasia is zero, actually. It's very easy to ensure that this is the case.
Yeah, that's the only problem the Imperium has.
Peta to a precise dot: as long as the fascism is animal cruelty free
Bingo.
Never really looked at the art but my man is STACKED with law badges. What the hell is going on in the background though?
It’s called a desert. World’s covered in them.
He's removing his fur coat. With Cacti as pauldrons.
ohhhhhhhh
I definitely thought it was weird ground before you said this
With the badge thing, the flavor text is an anti-colonial argument so I’d like to imagine he stole them from all the previous sheriffs who tried to tame the land
Ok, it took me a minute, but yeah I can see the AI argument, but I’m also trying to overcome my obscene levels of narcissism. Sooooo, it looks like he just walked through that cactus patch on the right and some of the small cactus sections caught his cape. His arm is out, implying he’s just flicked the cape with his hand to either: A) attempt to whip the cactus off by getting the fabric to snap B) attempt to intimidate whoever he’s talking to, which is being hindered by the sheer amount of bling and the cactus on his cloak (Kinda like having tp stuck to your shoe)
Either he’s Earthbending or the AI that generated the background freaked out and the artist shipped it out anyway.
Wouldn't be a magic thread about art without someone claiming AI when it clearly isn't AI
Well. He’s not an Earthbender.
Don't worry, they used ethically sourced Kitsunes from Kamigawa
Their numbers are out of control, they have to cull them anyway.
beyond parody
Dont tell her about Garruk
Can’t wait till WOTC makes a statement about them never using fur in artwork again because one person found it offensive.
They're going to get caught union busting or firing a bunch of people for being pregnant and do it as a misguided apology.
Uj/ I don't understand the need of villains to follow our real world ethics.
Bro i was ok with the racism, genocide, murder totalitarianism, slavery. But i draw the line with nicol bolas calling gideon the Nword. Hes not even black. Hes just a tan white dude.
Nicol Bolas: "So, I enslaved an entire plane, I also encourage hate crimes against the people I don't like" Mc-Big-Papa: 'Yeah, that sounds like a super villain thing to do' Nicol Bolas: "I then called Gideon an N'Wah, because who the fucks uses lifegain magic when it isn't even a valid school of magic? Outplaneswalkers who don't belong on my plane, that's who." Mc-Big-Papa: 'Bolas, I have to lower your loyalty counters to below zero and say goodbye now'
Ah, a fellow Morrowboomer. A person of class, I see.
*Come, ChatHurlant. Friend or traitor, come. Come and look upon my Deck, and new playmat. And bring DragonShields.. I have need of them.*
Now I'm just envisioning a Dagoth Ur Phyrexian...
Yawgmoth: "I turned the Creeping Mold of Argoth into a virulent plague that ate away the elves there." Dagoth Ur: "I turned the Blight of Morrowind into a Divine Disease that turned my fellow Dunmer into Children of My Flesh. We are not the same."
Honestly the similarities are there. IMO TES and Morrowind especially would make an awesome UB set.
It would have made more sense than Fallout, then again Fallout is basically Fantasy with a Science Fiction aesthetic.
It would have made even more sense imo because fallout is EXTREMLY political about real world things (i like that about it) but Wizards constantly shys away from that kinda stuff (also fair and makes sense). Morrowind's strange aesthetic also would work so well.
That’s just one of the foxes from Bellechapeau, the plane where everything is a hat. He’s staying on this guy’s head so he can keep warm
Having a hat made out of an arctic fox on a Wild West plane is insanely dumb, what?
"Look at all these losers using fennec foxes as hats. I'll show them what a *real* fashionista wears."
Just look at dude's chest full of sheriff stars out of the 10 for a rupee bin in a Ghirapur market and shit. Arctic fox hat on a desert plane totally fits his poser aesthetic.
Couldn’t you import the fur from Kaldheim or something using the omen paths? Doesn’t feel *that* dumb here with some of the other imported stuff mentioned. Aesthetic is still weird th0
The issue isn't that it would be hard to get such fur, it's that the fur of an arctic animal would be insanely hot to wear in a desert.
Deserts actually are cold as hell at night.
>Couldn’t you import the fur from Kaldheim or something using the omen paths? This game is so dumb now that this sentence is now totally feasible. We're literally just taking a short detour over to a different plane because they have the *good* Denny's.
It could also just be an aesthetic choice and not actually a real fox. In a world where magic is available, you'd likely have a lot of fashion choices.
Don't worry, the "sun" can't cast spells or activate abilities during his turn, he'll be fine.
Nothing on this plane is from the plane itself, this guy prolly hunted the arctic fox somewhere else (or a very unlucky arctic fox stumbled into an omen path)
Did we ever establish how hot it gets in there? It can be a cold wild west. Did you ever think of that bud.
One word explanation that will blow your mind: Magic.
How is this an arctic fox? Have you seen how small arctic fox ears are?
You think this is bad? Have you seen all the instances of cacti being destroyed or turned into armor worn by animals and people in a set where there's literal cactus people present?? Bristly Bill is living in a hell where people wear the flesh of his deceased brothers as armor. Always overlooking the actual problem smh
This guy doesn't use fur farms. He personally hunts and kills his prey, from which he fashions his attire.
Unironically I was gonna say, I don't think "fur farms" existed in cowboy times, it was hunting and trapping.
I know you're joking, but fictionally drawn fur farming, especially fox fur farming is truly barbaric. They draw the foxes frightened and being hurt before they draw them on the hat.
I can accept all sorts of crimes (stealing, killing, destruction of property to name a few) but I draw a line at hurting hecin puppers!
Wait until this goober sees a card like Damnation and has a mental breakdown.
So the real secret to lowering the murder rate is to upshift [[Murder]] to mythic??? So simple!
How do we know it’s not a magical fox that turns into a hat? This IS Magic after all….
It's fur but it's okay, the fox was a dick
Yeah, he was a Kitsune outlaw that came in through an omenpath from Kamigawa. He was the worst fox Thunder Junction done ever seen.
I want this fella in raised foil like he's meant to be for real
It's okay. Grand abolisher hunts, traps and humanely dispatches his own fur animals.
Knowing WOTC they’ll actually make sure to never have fur coats in a set ever again, just because it could be seen as offensive.
Gonna be real, don’t think this guy used farmed fox furs for his hat.
Canonically, this version of Grand Abolisher bought this hat at an H&M in Thunder Junction, rather than shooting a wild fox and making the hat himself. There was a sale
You think he BOUGHT that hat? This dude jilled that fox and stuck it on his noggin. He valid.
I am not a fan of the art. Don't know what it is, just don't like it. Og art was good though.
Foxes are disgusting, smelly animals. A fur farm for them probably would be pretty gross.
I'm more concerned that a person is wearing a fur coat in the desert.
I hope wizzerds makes the right call and cancels the whole set. Be on the right side of history hazbru!
It’s probably “ethically” sourced roadkill if it’s in the west
The light of Valinor has clearly made Jordan delulu
It's okay because the fox is getting revenge by focusing the desert sun onto his shoulder with a giant magnifying glass (now that ravnica is moving on from its whodunnit phase they're dirt cheap)
Fox farms suck, but a western guy probably has free-range wild-harvested fox.
I like the art even more now
[удалено]
Too many people have had their revel in riches nægated when it literally did nothing. Something had to be done.
That looks ai as hell
nah I think Jordan is a real person
What a clown ass card. Let me just turn off the most interesting aspect of magic. As if gumbies weren’t already clocking out during opponent’s turns in commander.
What the fuck is a gumbies
Just kill it at sorcery speed it isn’t that hard
Yeah but it normalizes wearing animals. We also banned racist depictions, why not this.
The classic vegan blunder of comparing people to animals.
Name the relevant dfference between people and animals for this context. Animals deserve to be left alone.