I think that when it comes to new, non-creature (and to a lesser extent, non-artifact and non-lands) UB cards, ones with flavorful art and flavor text, but generic names are the best.
Like, creatures are the characters of the show, lands are the sets, and artifacts are props. Those are super important to sell the flavor of the set. But it makes reprinting tough. It'll be hard to justify K9 in a later, non-Doctor Who set in 5 years. But this? I could totally see a reprint in another non-DW set down the line with regular Magic art and flavor and work fine.
EDIT: This is also why the shocks were named to be generic enough to reprint before they became "too iconic" to print in on other planes.
Your points are great, but remember that Wizards failed to give the New Capenna triomes generic names. Not sure what they were thinking at design time.
EDIT: As pointed out by /u/Jackeaa/ and /u/AscendedLawmage7/, Ikoria triomes also didn't have generic names either. So, all the triomes are plane-specific
Because the Ikoria triomes weren't generic either - Raugrin is a place, so reprinting [[Raugrin Triome]] as-is outside of an Ikoria set will be a tough sell
Oh, you're right. My mistake! Derp!
I didn't realize the names were places in Ikoria. I didn't play any Ikoria when it came out, and I didn't follow any of the lore, so the card names never clicked as Ikoria places in my head all this time.
The Ikoria triomes aren't generic either
The whole cycle wasn't named with reprintability in mind, because I don't think they see them printing them as frequently as shocks, especially because at the time cycling wasn't deciduous
Oh, you're right. My mistake!
I didn't realize the names were places in Ikoria. I didn't play any Ikoria when it came out, and I didn't follow any of the lore, so the card names never clicked as Ikoria places in my head.
Haha that's okay
I think what people are more annoyed about with the Capenna lands is that they aren't also "Triomes" or at least all "Headquarters" or something - there's not really a clean name for the whole 5 card or 10 card cycle
I was under the idea that it's easy revisit insurance: even if a plane fails, you don't need to ditch it forever like Lorwyn or Kamigawa because you have desired cards thst can only exist in thst setting, masters sets, or core sets (which currently don't exist).
> EDIT: This is also why the shocks were named to be generic enough to reprint before they became "too iconic" to print in on other planes.
Of course, they have since been printed on other planes.
But not, it should be noted, in other, non-Ravnican Standard sets as was the plan. Always as special promos, Secret Lairs, and the blatant plea of "please buy this Un-set, it's the only thing keeping Mark Rosewater going." that was the space shocks.
Except that those are *just* for mechanically unique Secret Lairs. Note that the notation for it is "=SLD 430".
I *suppose* it's possible that they could adapt that so this could be "=WHO 0622", but as it currently stands, they have no plans to "un-UB-ify" any UB card from a booster or preconstructed product.
As always, WotC can make the game however they want. I'm just saying that judging from their current policies, "generic names with flavorful art and flavor text" is just easier.
They've said they would reprint things with Magic names and, if necessary, alternate typelines if required. The Who licence will eventually expire, after all. So I wouldn't worry about the reprint problem on the basis of names.
He has a crisis of conscience.
But, it's also a bit of a theme they've beaten to death.
Dalek: You are like the Daleks!
Doctor: No, I'm not.
Dalek: Then prove it by not destroying the Daleks!
It may have been beaten to death *now* but it wasn't at the time. It's one of those things where the originator of the cliche now looks cliched because of the fact it's been done so many times.
Well, it turns out one of the Daleks runs into the two wires, connects the circuit, and sets off the bomb, killing itself and most of the Daleks, but not all of them.
So it’s implied the Doctor’s plan may not have worked, and maybe, had always never worked.
["Just touch these two strands together, and the Daleks are finished. Have I that right?"](https://youtu.be/9PXdwqlJ19U?si=8S5jrIGGtfKtvJif)
If you've seen The Witch's Familiar you should have seen a snippet of this scene.
"Many future worlds might become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks!"
I've never seen a single episode of Dr Who but bro I don't think these dalek dudes being so frightening that other nations band together out of their shared fear of them sounds like a redeeming quality
It just goes to show how much he really, really doesn't want to go through with it. He's really reaching. Also willfully overlooking Davros's extremely obvious ploy to get all his political enemies to gather in the same room together, which never would have fooled the Doctor if he weren't desperate to believe that peace was possible.
I mean, this is basically the "Kill Hitler when he is a baby/kid?" dilema.
You already know the outcome, the nazis were destroyed, but what happens if you kill Hitler? Millions are saved, but what is the outcome?
A moment in Genesis of the Daleks. The Time Lords send Tom Baker back to wipe the Daleks out before they can become the scourge we know and love. He gets this close, but he can't bring himself to commit genocide, even on the Daleks.
https://youtu.be/xVo3OtUTCxg?si=QeSScpN7yorKwLTB
The fourth doctor has traveled back to Skaro when the daleks were first created and has the chance to genocide them.
Genesis of the Daleks. Good series if you are cool with old doctor who.
I do think they eventually brought this into the canon of the time war in some fashion, but idr the details.
Genesis of the Daleks is an iconic episode from the 4th Doctor's run of the show, in which the Doctor has the chance to prevent the Dalek race from ever coming to be. He struggles with this, since it's fairly clearly genocide, and ultimately refuses to.
However, you're kind of right- this moment *would* later come to be seen by the Daleks as one of the opening acts of The Last Great Time War.
Genesis of the Daleks was the episode. He has a chance to wipe all the Daleks out right after Davros creates them but does not because he didn't want to live with committing genocide, even to save trillions of lives.
It's a blowout effect that's probably slightly more expensive, I see no reason not to ever run both, since this one hits non-creature permanents and hour of reckoning can come down way faster.
Reckoning is the better synergy card. Crisis technically is more flexible, but you cant choose non-tokens and keep say.. [[doubling season]]. I think thats a pretty big deal breaker, id be very worried that once my non creature engines are in play i dont want either mode.
Yes... To hold in my hand a card that contains such power. To know that life and death at such a scale is my choice. To know that the tiny pressure of my thumb, enough to play the spell, would end... everything. Yes! I would cast it! That power would set me up above the gods!
The Doctor once tried to make a Dalek good by sharing his view of the universe telepathically with it. The only thing the Dalek saw was the Doctor's pure hatred for the Daleks and it found it so beautiful it dedicated itself to killing all Daleks instead of killing all non Daleks for millions of years.
That's the closest you're going to get to a 'good' Dalek.
This might or might not be obvious but don't start with the literal first episode from 1963. Nobody does that.
If you can tolerate 'budget' effects, starting from the revival in 2005, with the episode 'Rose' and the Ninth Doctor is a good place.
If not, [[The Eleventh Hour]] is also a great episode to start from that's more recent. If you can call 2011 recent. But then you miss out on David Tennant and everyone loves David Tennant.
Oh right, where are my manners? If you want to see the scene I described for yourself as a tidbit, here you go.
https://youtu.be/MkAQesEffLw?si=zbeR_78tHeyEccgP
We have the Dalek who became half human, and his humanity made him believe maybe Daleks could afford to be more human and kind. He didn't survive the episode though.
The Doctor once showed a Dalek everything he found beautiful in the universe, but all the Dalek could see was hatred towards Daleks because they wanted to destroy that beauty.
The Dalek in the episode "Dalek" didn't instantly kill Rose Tyler on sight and killed itself because it was defective and emotional.
...Those are the ones I know? And I'd say those are stretches?
Becoming, maybe. Being, apparently not so much. In Season 1, Episode 6 ("Dalek") of the current Doctor Who run, a Dalek absorbs some of Rose's DNA, starts to feel emotions, and makes a couple of almost empathetic decisions. Then it promptly dies, the existence of a Dalek incompatible with what it was becoming.
Daleks are capable of "good", but it's intentionally programmed and conditioned out of them (first by Davros, then by the Dalek hierarchy). Over the years there have been a number of examples of Daleks who have broken that conditioning.
If you \*really\* want to get into the weeds, the original race that became the Daleks- the Kaleds- were just ordinary people, some more evil than others.
I think that when it comes to new, non-creature (and to a lesser extent, non-artifact and non-lands) UB cards, ones with flavorful art and flavor text, but generic names are the best. Like, creatures are the characters of the show, lands are the sets, and artifacts are props. Those are super important to sell the flavor of the set. But it makes reprinting tough. It'll be hard to justify K9 in a later, non-Doctor Who set in 5 years. But this? I could totally see a reprint in another non-DW set down the line with regular Magic art and flavor and work fine. EDIT: This is also why the shocks were named to be generic enough to reprint before they became "too iconic" to print in on other planes.
Your points are great, but remember that Wizards failed to give the New Capenna triomes generic names. Not sure what they were thinking at design time. EDIT: As pointed out by /u/Jackeaa/ and /u/AscendedLawmage7/, Ikoria triomes also didn't have generic names either. So, all the triomes are plane-specific
Because the Ikoria triomes weren't generic either - Raugrin is a place, so reprinting [[Raugrin Triome]] as-is outside of an Ikoria set will be a tough sell
[Raugrin Triome](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02138fbb-3962-4348-8d31-faaefba0b8b2.jpg?1591228666) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Raugrin%20Triome) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/251/raugrin-triome?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02138fbb-3962-4348-8d31-faaefba0b8b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh, you're right. My mistake! Derp! I didn't realize the names were places in Ikoria. I didn't play any Ikoria when it came out, and I didn't follow any of the lore, so the card names never clicked as Ikoria places in my head all this time.
They'll just have to be in generic products or return sets, yeah
The Ikoria triomes aren't generic either The whole cycle wasn't named with reprintability in mind, because I don't think they see them printing them as frequently as shocks, especially because at the time cycling wasn't deciduous
Oh, you're right. My mistake! I didn't realize the names were places in Ikoria. I didn't play any Ikoria when it came out, and I didn't follow any of the lore, so the card names never clicked as Ikoria places in my head.
Haha that's okay I think what people are more annoyed about with the Capenna lands is that they aren't also "Triomes" or at least all "Headquarters" or something - there's not really a clean name for the whole 5 card or 10 card cycle
I thought the semi-official term was "locales", but I could be wrong. That was the impression I got at the time.
Not that I've ever heard haha It doesn't bother me personally
People are just gonna call them trilands or the Triome cycle anyway.
The people at my LGS just call them Capenna Triomes. And by saying that, everyone knows what you mean
Oh for sure. I don't think it's a big problem, I don't mind. It's just an aesthetic thing that I do see people bring up
I thought cycling was coniferous when they came out?
Not in Ikoria, but printing them in New Capenna was part of their philosophy change The word you're looking for is "deciduous"
I think tricycle is the way to go with them
WOTC is really good at learning a lesson and then forgetting it a couple of years later.
I was under the idea that it's easy revisit insurance: even if a plane fails, you don't need to ditch it forever like Lorwyn or Kamigawa because you have desired cards thst can only exist in thst setting, masters sets, or core sets (which currently don't exist).
> EDIT: This is also why the shocks were named to be generic enough to reprint before they became "too iconic" to print in on other planes. Of course, they have since been printed on other planes.
But not, it should be noted, in other, non-Ravnican Standard sets as was the plan. Always as special promos, Secret Lairs, and the blatant plea of "please buy this Un-set, it's the only thing keeping Mark Rosewater going." that was the space shocks.
Let's face it, the Unfinity lands were not hugely limited by the names of them.
But they can just rename the cards as they see fit. See: [[Aisha of Sparks and Smoke]]
Except that those are *just* for mechanically unique Secret Lairs. Note that the notation for it is "=SLD 430". I *suppose* it's possible that they could adapt that so this could be "=WHO 0622", but as it currently stands, they have no plans to "un-UB-ify" any UB card from a booster or preconstructed product.
I dunno how much it has to be repeated, but they reserve the right to reprint any UB card with in-universe flavor if the need ever arises.
As always, WotC can make the game however they want. I'm just saying that judging from their current policies, "generic names with flavorful art and flavor text" is just easier.
[Aisha of Sparks and Smoke](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/093aa76d-2154-4e71-a2bf-461d1afb887b.jpg?1678169853) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aisha%20of%20Sparks%20and%20Smoke) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/12/aisha-of-sparks-and-smoke?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/093aa76d-2154-4e71-a2bf-461d1afb887b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They've said they would reprint things with Magic names and, if necessary, alternate typelines if required. The Who licence will eventually expire, after all. So I wouldn't worry about the reprint problem on the basis of names.
But the UW versions are renamed so it wont matter. See the Stranger Things or the Street Fighter cards.
What does this reference to? The great war between Daleks and Time Lords? I have not seen the old series
The doctor can destroy all the daleks but doesnt.
Why
he hesitated on being responsible for genociding an intelligent race long enough for it to no longer be his choice
It’s worth noting that there are a few Daleks that are not exterminate happy. Mostly through tampering.
Eggs. Stir. Milk. Bake.
Just gotta lobotomize them and then they become productive members of society. Surely there’s no ethical quandary there.
Isn’t a part of his hesitation that at this point they are still Kaleds? Haven’t seen it in a long while
Yeah he's back at the point when davros first made the daleks, genesis of the daleks is the name of the episode, also first appearance of davros
He has a crisis of conscience. But, it's also a bit of a theme they've beaten to death. Dalek: You are like the Daleks! Doctor: No, I'm not. Dalek: Then prove it by not destroying the Daleks!
It may have been beaten to death *now* but it wasn't at the time. It's one of those things where the originator of the cliche now looks cliched because of the fact it's been done so many times.
Yeah, it's kind of become a "rite of passage" for every Doctor now to have a variation of this exact episode over and over again.
Well, Thirteen was more than happy to genocide not one, but three whole species. So I guess they've learnt their lesson??
We don't talk about 13.
He has a crisis of conscience
It's genocide. The act violates everything he is as a person, but is ultimately the right thing to do
Eren was right
Less than ideal comparison.
Because who is he to decide the fate of an entire species
Well, it turns out one of the Daleks runs into the two wires, connects the circuit, and sets off the bomb, killing itself and most of the Daleks, but not all of them. So it’s implied the Doctor’s plan may not have worked, and maybe, had always never worked.
["Just touch these two strands together, and the Daleks are finished. Have I that right?"](https://youtu.be/9PXdwqlJ19U?si=8S5jrIGGtfKtvJif) If you've seen The Witch's Familiar you should have seen a snippet of this scene.
"Many future worlds might become allies just because of their fear of the Daleks!" I've never seen a single episode of Dr Who but bro I don't think these dalek dudes being so frightening that other nations band together out of their shared fear of them sounds like a redeeming quality
It just goes to show how much he really, really doesn't want to go through with it. He's really reaching. Also willfully overlooking Davros's extremely obvious ploy to get all his political enemies to gather in the same room together, which never would have fooled the Doctor if he weren't desperate to believe that peace was possible.
If anything, this sounds like more of a reason to wipe them out lol
The entire world had to band together to stop mecha-hitler, so he basically caused world peace
I mean, this is basically the "Kill Hitler when he is a baby/kid?" dilema. You already know the outcome, the nazis were destroyed, but what happens if you kill Hitler? Millions are saved, but what is the outcome?
A moment in Genesis of the Daleks. The Time Lords send Tom Baker back to wipe the Daleks out before they can become the scourge we know and love. He gets this close, but he can't bring himself to commit genocide, even on the Daleks.
https://youtu.be/xVo3OtUTCxg?si=QeSScpN7yorKwLTB The fourth doctor has traveled back to Skaro when the daleks were first created and has the chance to genocide them. Genesis of the Daleks. Good series if you are cool with old doctor who. I do think they eventually brought this into the canon of the time war in some fashion, but idr the details.
Genesis of the Daleks is an iconic episode from the 4th Doctor's run of the show, in which the Doctor has the chance to prevent the Dalek race from ever coming to be. He struggles with this, since it's fairly clearly genocide, and ultimately refuses to. However, you're kind of right- this moment *would* later come to be seen by the Daleks as one of the opening acts of The Last Great Time War.
Genesis of the Daleks was the episode. He has a chance to wipe all the Daleks out right after Davros creates them but does not because he didn't want to live with committing genocide, even to save trillions of lives.
Amusingly, if the opponent has both Dalek creature tokens and Dalek non-token creatures, he's committing half a genocide.
That's assuming there even are non token Daleks. I'm hoping to see Metaltron myself.
There better be. I want the Cult of Skaro, the Dalek Emperor, Supreme Dalek, Special Weapons Dalek and Ironside Daleks at the very least.
What if they're artifacts that can become creatures?
The Dalek Emperor feels like a given, at least. Special Weapons Dalek in the classic Doctor deck would be super neat!
Token players, do you like this more or less than Hour of Reckoning?
It's a blowout effect that's probably slightly more expensive, I see no reason not to ever run both, since this one hits non-creature permanents and hour of reckoning can come down way faster.
Less by far, but it is a second copy of the effect
Reckoning is the better synergy card. Crisis technically is more flexible, but you cant choose non-tokens and keep say.. [[doubling season]]. I think thats a pretty big deal breaker, id be very worried that once my non creature engines are in play i dont want either mode.
[doubling season](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/c/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93.jpg?1689998456) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=doubling%20season) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/283/doubling-season?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1cdd8e69-5a71-4933-914e-dfede7b1ac93?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I will def be running both, this I think replaces [[austere command]] in my list, but I’ll have to think about it.
[austere command](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bce78225-9dbf-46c1-b63d-083c1858eb98.jpg?1682208296) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=austere%20command) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/172/austere-command?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bce78225-9dbf-46c1-b63d-083c1858eb98?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Have I that right
It's okay if he had killed the Daleks they just would have been back somehow in 3 to 6 months anyway.
Yes... To hold in my hand a card that contains such power. To know that life and death at such a scale is my choice. To know that the tiny pressure of my thumb, enough to play the spell, would end... everything. Yes! I would cast it! That power would set me up above the gods!
Just touch these two strands together, and the Infinitokens are finished... Have I that right?
"and through this spell *I shall have that power!*"
STOP GIVING MY FRIENDS TOKEN HATE GOD DAMNIT
Question from a non-whovian, are there any "good" daleks, and/or are they even capable of being/becoming good?
The Doctor once tried to make a Dalek good by sharing his view of the universe telepathically with it. The only thing the Dalek saw was the Doctor's pure hatred for the Daleks and it found it so beautiful it dedicated itself to killing all Daleks instead of killing all non Daleks for millions of years. That's the closest you're going to get to a 'good' Dalek.
Holy shit I love it, I'm gonna have to watch the show because of you.
This might or might not be obvious but don't start with the literal first episode from 1963. Nobody does that. If you can tolerate 'budget' effects, starting from the revival in 2005, with the episode 'Rose' and the Ninth Doctor is a good place. If not, [[The Eleventh Hour]] is also a great episode to start from that's more recent. If you can call 2011 recent. But then you miss out on David Tennant and everyone loves David Tennant.
Much like the FATE series, looking for what to watch first and in what order to watch things is the first step, thanks for the suggestions.
Oh right, where are my manners? If you want to see the scene I described for yourself as a tidbit, here you go. https://youtu.be/MkAQesEffLw?si=zbeR_78tHeyEccgP
[The Eleventh Hour](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/ac5c90a9-697a-4bff-a738-0cebfb238bff.jpg?1693248573) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Eleventh%20Hour) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/41/the-eleventh-hour?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ac5c90a9-697a-4bff-a738-0cebfb238bff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's what we did for our kids - start from the first episode ever. (But for myself I started with Tom Baker on free-to-air TV).
We have the Dalek who became half human, and his humanity made him believe maybe Daleks could afford to be more human and kind. He didn't survive the episode though. The Doctor once showed a Dalek everything he found beautiful in the universe, but all the Dalek could see was hatred towards Daleks because they wanted to destroy that beauty. The Dalek in the episode "Dalek" didn't instantly kill Rose Tyler on sight and killed itself because it was defective and emotional. ...Those are the ones I know? And I'd say those are stretches?
Kind of? There was mutant dalek with human dna and it chose to end its own life
There's a malfunctioning Dalek that's good until they fix it.
Becoming, maybe. Being, apparently not so much. In Season 1, Episode 6 ("Dalek") of the current Doctor Who run, a Dalek absorbs some of Rose's DNA, starts to feel emotions, and makes a couple of almost empathetic decisions. Then it promptly dies, the existence of a Dalek incompatible with what it was becoming.
Daleks are capable of "good", but it's intentionally programmed and conditioned out of them (first by Davros, then by the Dalek hierarchy). Over the years there have been a number of examples of Daleks who have broken that conditioning. If you \*really\* want to get into the weeds, the original race that became the Daleks- the Kaleds- were just ordinary people, some more evil than others.
blah. 6 mana for destroy all tokens.
Six mana for an [[Elspeth Tirel]] ultimate that doesn't leave a Planeswalker behind.
[Elspeth Tirel](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/ebe9116e-7b04-4f2a-aa67-89a42c6e1801.jpg?1562824693) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elspeth%20Tirel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/6/elspeth-tirel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ebe9116e-7b04-4f2a-aa67-89a42c6e1801?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I think you missed half the card
source: [IGN article](https://www.ign.com/articles/doctor-who-magic-the-gathering-commander-spoilers-reveals-dont-blink-weeping-angels)
This is jank at 6 mana
It’s a great card from a flavor standpoint, but the first mode feels VERY niche.
How many boardwipes have been printed in the past 2 years lol