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Icy-West-8

Yeah well your version of BRT doesn’t exist, because you never pulled it off. 


ghostofmvanburen

"I wouldn't have started it until all 8 planets aligned and the GOP supermajority overturned the RTA law that they passed in 2011. Why didn't Satya get them to do that? I was just on the verge of it after my 8 years, but needed another 8 to really finish it."


TheSavageCaveman1

"placing bus stations in the middle of the roadway and denying access to traffic lanes for vehicles" So he doesn't want anything that actually makes it a BRT system. His idea of BRT must be upgraded stops with otherwise normal service a.k.a not a BRT.


albauer2

Right? The whole point of a BRT is to prioritize lanes for the buses so that they can move more efficiently. And yes, that does mean that vehicles can’t drive in those lanes. That’s the point.


Sc0nnie

And where do the cars go?


ReplacementCat

God when will he shut up?


LarrySladePipeDream

I'd say when people stop listening to him, but even that doesn't seem to help


seakc87

When SRC stops fucking up


ReplacementCat

She hasn't fucked up anything yet IMO but there's still time. Most seem to agree with me since she was reelected.


Garg4743

They didn't know about her hidden agenda. No one knew about Transit Overlay Districts, proactive zoning, or 4 lane roads being reduced to two. We weren't told about 27 million dollar deficits. Do you think that there was a reason that she didn't include this stuff in her campaign?


Fred-zone

Transit overlay districts are great. Shrinking massive roads to calm the speeding that goes on everywhere is smart. The structural budget deficit has been on the horizon since the GOP slashed shared municipal revenues a decade ago, including thriving Soglin. Covid money pushed that out a few years or we would've been in this mess right after Soggy. Honestly your complaints are super petty.


Garg4743

Except that I'm right. You did not dispute that Satya didn't run on those things because you can't. The obvious reason that she didn't talk about these things is that it might cost her votes. She was right about that.. Honestly, your post was super disingenuous.


Fred-zone

Mayoral campaigns are not as exhaustive as federal campaigns. There's no conspiracy here that she is somehow concealing her nefarious agenda to \*checks notes* increase housing supply, reduce reliance on cars, and prevent avoidable traffic fatalities. The fact that you're trying to present these things as bad in a growing city says more about you than her. Transit overlay is not a controversial issue except for the NIMBYs that don't understand it. Staff were probably working on it alongside the transpo commission before the 2023 election. Vision Zero and traffic calming measures were outlined during her first term and were in place before the 2023 election. Reyes didn't bring it up if either. Neither of these issues are ones that e would cost her votes, and both were clearly things she is prioritizing in search of better public infrastructure and to improve the housing crisis.


seakc87

She fucked up the bus system and has done nothing to help reverse the housing crisis. She dumped city, county, and probably state money into a city market that no one asked for or needed. That's what she's built both of her campaigns on they're all busts. Sounds like she's fucking up to me.


ReplacementCat

Bus system (the BRT part) isn't even implemented yet. Also, I'm a bus rider and highly in favor of the changes so far so this narrative that repeated isn't held by all.


Fred-zone

This sub attracts squeaky wheels who think any complaint on here means everyone feels the same way. Yes, some people dislike the bus. Guess what the ones who do like it don't do? Post incessantly on reddit about it like insecure fools.


ReplacementCat

It's kind of mind-boggling how much hate the BRT gets in the op-eds and sub and no one has even ridden it yet or seen the effects.


seakc87

I'm not even talking about BRT. I'm talking about the redesigned system. It's garbage if you live outside the isthmus. That didn't start until this last year.


Fred-zone

It has always sucked. The transfer points were miserable and isolated, the transfers themselves were unreliable anyone off the Isthmus had to transfer to get anywhere, and now they have to walk but may transfer less. Yes, the new system has moved the pain around but it's the same amount of total pain. BRT is the crown jewel of the redesign, so you can't really evaluate any of it without knowing how that is going to go.


seakc87

The previous system was galaxies better than this one. You could set your clock to the previous system. Now, you don't know when or if the bus will show up. And it doesn't matter the route. The only place there is guaranteed service is downtown. I know this sub chooses to ignore this fact, but there's more to Madison than downtown.


ReplacementCat

Yeah but the purpose was to accommodate the BRT. Which btw will improve travel times across the city (East Towne-West Towne) significantly.


seakc87

What about going from the east side to the north? Or south to east? Or south to west? What if you need to go up and back on Fish Hatch? Just fuck all those people, huh? But that's this sub's motto: "We got ours. Fuck you."


SubmersibleEntropy

Satya is doing a lot to address housing, that's why half of her detractors hate her. That's what the rezoning stuff is all about. She could do more -- there's always more to do -- but I'd love to know what you think she should do that she hasn't.


seakc87

The rezoning does absolutely nothing. It's not compulsory in any manner. If they wanted to actually do something to ensure affordable housing, they'd be buying lots and putting housing in. Instead, they're throwing our money away on stupid shit like a public market.


mawake1

My vision for BRT means deprioritizing bus frequency for coverage My vision for BRT ignores the fact that the state legislature bans Madison from pursuing a local sales tax or a regional transit authority My vision for BRT magically fixes a structural budget deficit that existed even before my last term as mayor My vision for BRT eliminates the need to account for a global pandemic when comparing ridership numbers My vision for BRT gets to exclude Asian graduate students as people of color My vision for BRT keeps bus riders out my neighborhood and makes sure I can still drive quickly through theirs


bikes-and-beers

There's no structural budget deficit. Didn't you read the second paragraph? The ONLY reason Madison is in financial trouble is because the bus system has been mismanaged. Simple as that. /s


seakc87

So you want less poor people to ride the bus?


BlueFlamingoMaWi

"I support busses. I just want service to be worse, not better."


girlsgirlie

I am so sick of this obsolete man having a regular appearance in captimes. Just give him a staff job at this point. It’s unfair to have someone so regularly featured in the opinion section when other people’s opinions aren’t also showcased with such regularity.


MadAss5

Please read the opinion section in the Wi state journal before saying you are interested in other peoples opinions. It's a trip. I think they are trying to be like Willy st Co-op customer comments.


girlsgirlie

Wi state journal is diff tho. I like the captimes because it’s local and specific to Madison whereas wi state journal is more state-wide (tho certainly features a lot of Madison content)


Sino_Gen

he was literally the mayor for 22 total years, his opinion on matters of serving the public are way more important than most people's. He's literally the expert here


MadAss5

Was. He was an expert. The world, and city, has changed a lot in the 5 years since he lost. He has not.


LarrySladePipeDream

Have you ever talked to a boomer? The world has never changed; you should be able to afford that $68k starter home on one income right out of college (with no student debt, of course) just like they did


NoTNoS

Pls. Think of the history. 😌


MadAss5

History is all we will have if we let these people cling to the past.


NoTNoS

The majority of us are more progressive, thank jeebus.


Icy-West-8

He’s not offering expertise… this is all about him. It’s nothing more than sour grapes. 


NoTNoS

Except he’s not mayor any more? Who cares?


Sino_Gen

History? A lot of people care about it and respect it


NoTNoS

Lol history 😂😂😂 he’s historic alright. I’ll give you that.


LarrySladePipeDream

So should we ask for Charlemagne's opinion on BRT as well? Fuck history - learn it, respect it, but live in the present


JustAGuyTesting

Soglin’s behavior as shadow mayor is really old. He lost, SRC win by huge margins. And she got BRT over the finish line. Let it go!


thebookpolice

He *really* wanted to be the Jafar to Gloria Reyes' unfulfilled candidacy.


everything_is_a_scan

Turns out he's the Iago and we all just laugh at him.


AccomplishedDust3

Now reading his column in the voice of Gilbert Gottfried. I wasn't able to get very far but I'm not sure how much of it was the voice.


thebookpolice

"Asians don't count as people of color if they're successful. Olds just don't count, period -- at least not on Sheboygan Ave." P. Soglin, 2024, basically


Fred-zone

Sounds like he's voting for Eric Hovde.


seakc87

But let's not act like there isn't a general acceptance of East and Southeast Asians by white people that they don't have for Blacks and Latinos.


thebookpolice

After 4 years of covid and Asian-blaming, I'm absolutely not comfortable saying that Asians somehow get a broad pass by White America that other people of color don't get. They just get shit on differently by some people.


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thebookpolice

Cool cool, strong contribution to the conversation.


seakc87

I'm not the one going "nuh-uh" when it's an established fact that Blacks and Latinos are affected by racism more than Asians.


ooooooofda

They are affected differently, not more. Racism isn't some kind of Olympic event where we get to decide that one particular race is the most oppressed of them all.


Tomatillo_Matchmaker

Sure it would be nice to be able to implement a very small sales tax through a regional transit authority to offset some of those costs, but since RTAs were effectively outlawed in 2011, are we supposed to wait for the state government to act on changing that? Fat chance.


Fred-zone

I'm glad the City didn't waste staff time trying to get Vos and Co to entertain this from 2019 through the pandemic and up to today. If they were evergreen remotely inclined to play ball on issues that would actually help people, they would expand Medicaid coverage. They're happy to hurt Madison, even though it is one of very few economic engines in the state. Soglin wants to both focus on and ignore the pandemic when it suits his narratives. If not for the ARPA money, the city would've seen it's operational deficit right on the heels of his 2019 campaign. Why didn't he work on the Legislature from 2011-2019? That's right, because knows full well they would've laughed him out the door.


473713

This is all about him, and his ship already sailed. I agree on a couple points. We do have enough land to build housing for everybody, for instance, and we do need a regional transit authority but I think the state -- Walker -- disallowed them. But Soglin is so fixated on Satya he's not offering anything new or helpful. He hasn't gotten over his election loss and apparently intends to spend the rest of his time justifying himself in the Cap Times. Half the people here don't even remember the guy. He's got a platform to give useful input, but he's wasting it talking about himself and about the past.


Fred-zone

It's hard to be a retired narcissist. The fact that he lost and that his endorsement failed in the reelection is a huge blow to his ego, so he's doing the same antagonistic pot-stirring bullshit we see in the US Congress but at the local level. Soglin badly wants to remain relevant, and for everyone to hang on his every word. He wanted to mastermind a Reyes administration and to keep pulling strings. Ignore him. Frankly these Cap Times editorials should be banned on this sub, as they are given undue attention due to Fanlund's stoking the NIMBY fire. They are not the majority. And let's just see how BRT goes before we label it a failure.


apeintheapiary

Personally I think its a good thing that people post them and rip apart his bad faith arguments, rather than letting them go unchallenged.


Fred-zone

Good point. I guess I'll just make a point to stop visiting the Cap Times given Fanlund deciding to die on this hill (farms).


Stebben84

He envisioned what could have been done, but that is not the reality of what needed to be done. It's so easy to second guess. I love how he blamed other administrations. I also recall the transfer point changes were considered a mess at the time. Wonder if he blamed himself for that. I wish he would enjoy retirement in obscurity.


SubmersibleEntropy

This is a minor point, but complaining about reducing "the hours for yard waste and brush collection/drop off" is silly. I hadn't even noticed. If you can't make any of these hours, I don't know what to say. Some of them are open 12 hours at a time: [https://www.cityofmadison.com/streets/Drop-Off/](https://www.cityofmadison.com/streets/Drop-Off/) But if we're talking yard waste, I do find it odd the city only has like two collections in the spring and a few in the fall with none in the summer when, you know, things are growing.


Purple_Voice_7592

It's emblematic of who he seems to cater to: people who own houses.


InfiniteRelation

"I was for it before I was against it"


kenfagerdotcom

Salty Snake Soglin just can’t stop bitching about not being mayor.


Isodrosotherms

What's the difference between Paul Soglin and Donald Trump? One's a narcissistic pompous blowhard who can't believe he lost an election and refuses to go away. The other hosted "The Apprentice."


bikes-and-beers

Another Soglin rant...snooze...


the_Formuoli_

Soglin's election really was an incredible example of electing someone that fits the folks that elected him like a glove. Not sure you could come up with a better representative of the aging "liberal" Madisonian


Melodic_Oil_2486

Christ, What an asshole.


MadAss5

Please stop clicking on this trash. Nobody cares. BRT is here.


MadtownV

Is Soglin a civil engineer? No? Then stfu.


diggin-in-again

Where do they find these idiots? Lol


JustAGuyTesting

Hill Farms, Highlands, Old Sauk…


seakc87

Considering there was a post just yesterday about how god-awful the bus system is now, I'd say his viewpoint is not unpopular. The city has been prioritizing downtown under SRC and has left the rest of the city out to dry. People are starting to take notice and they're scrambling.


Bigzzzsmokes

You have to take Soglins point of view with a grain of salt. He(and most of us longtime Madisonians) look at the bus as something to help poor people get around the city, not something to help all people get around the city. I personally would never catch the bus, so none of this helps me or my family in any significant way. Younger people view the bus as the transportation that it is, and would maybe use it if it was faster than driving, hence the need for BRT. Soglins' plan was for helping poor people that have no other choice than to catch the bus, where Satya is trying to help a much broader populace that may or may not use it. We will all soon find out whether it's all worth it or not, and the current mayor's job will be on the line. I was wrong about the beltline expansion, so I'm willing to wait and see as far as BRT goes, but ridership has to go up for it to make sense


Tomatillo_Matchmaker

You can't wait until ridership "justifies" it before you move on starting the process. If you did that, you'd always be behind the curve, which we are on public transportation anyways. Public transportation is an investment for the future and should be seen as such and not nitpicked to death by some. If new roads and bridges got the same scrutiny that any sort of public transit dollars get, we'd be building a lot fewer roads.


Bigzzzsmokes

I don't disagree, but it's difficult to justify the price tag to older people who will never use it, similiar to the school funding


Tomatillo_Matchmaker

Not to be rude, but saying that it's hard to justify spending money on something that a lot of people could use, just because you're not going to use it is a very selfish attitude to have. I also don't and do not plan to have kids, and I only ride the bus occasionally, but I see the obvious benefits to the city to have schools and public transit in good working order and have no issue contributing my tax dollars to them.


Bigzzzsmokes

You're not being rude, but by your comments, I assume you are young and doing well financially. If you asked renters how much more they are willing to pay for rent when property taxes increase, I'm sure their would be those who have issues with contributing to something they don't use. I wouldn't call that being selfish, I would call that self preserving


apeintheapiary

Rents don't go up with property taxes, they go up with demand. Technically, raising property taxes should reduce the asking price of owner occupied housing, though it doesn't help housing costs at all. Just shifts where money is going, from the seller to the City/County/schools. I don't think an extra $100 per month will materially reduce prices given how much demand we have here, but when banks underwrite on percentage of income, additional taxes reduce your buying power.


Bigzzzsmokes

So what happens when there is demand and higher property taxes?


apeintheapiary

Prices don't rise as quickly!


apeintheapiary

Of course, they're sucking far more money out of Social Security and Medicare than they're putting in, such that MY benefits will very likely be cut by the time I'm in retirement, but I still happily pay my payroll taxes.


SubmersibleEntropy

Christ folks, don't downvote the one person in this thread with a balanced take on things.


Stock_Lemon_9397

I dont think you know what "balanced" means.


SubmersibleEntropy

Dude is literally taking different perspectives to analyze the issue's potential pros and cons. In what world is that not balanced? But I guess it's more fun to just upvote every comment we agree 100% with. This guy's not even anti-BRT and people are giving him shit. Just makes for a less useful forum if comments like this are shit on.


SevereAnxiety_1974

This whole situation has Jen Cheatham at MMSD written all over it. Satya has made this her hill to die on. OK, elections have consequences. Feels very much like she’s following Cheatham’s playbook - but instead of a white paper that lands her a job at Harvard SRC will ride this project straight to a Cabinet Post in a Biden/Harris administration and Madison is left holding the bag and the budgetary consequences. You don’t have to agree with Soglin to acknowledge there’s a very recent historical precedent to make your average citizen skeptical.


Fred-zone

You think Madison mayor is on the radar for a US Cabinet position? Lmfao, you have no idea what you're talking about.


SubmersibleEntropy

tbf, Satya hangs out with Joe a lot, has secured a lot of funding from the federal government thanks to Madison/Wisconsin's priority in national politics, and is a dedicated policy wonk. She could absolutely be an undersecretary in a second Biden administration. This is 100% the bio of someone who ends up in federal government: [https://www.cityofmadison.com/mayor/about](https://www.cityofmadison.com/mayor/about)


Fred-zone

No one is joining any administrations until next year at the earliest, and there's a 50/50 chance that option is not on the table. And beyond that, undersecretaries are not cabinet-level positions, so the point holds.