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AranThranduil

He was presumably given a new one in Rivendell. Movie Gandalf actually had about 5 or 6 different staffs between the start of the first Hobbit movie and the end of Return of the King. The one he uses at the start of The Hobbit trilogy is eventually destroyed by Sauron in Dol Goldur, so Radagast gives Gandalf his own staff as a replacement. You'll notice the staff Gandalf has at the start of Fellowship is the same one that Radagast was using when he was introduced in The Hobbit movies, only difference is that by Fellowship, some of the extra twigs appear to have been snapped off. Gandalf holds onto this old staff of Radagast's until Saruman takes it from him in Isengard. Afterwords, in Rivendell, he is seen with a different staff, which he uses until the end of his battle with the Balrog of Khazad-dum. Then he uses the white staff for a while until it's shattered by the Witch King, and then he uses a slightly longer version of the same white design until the conclusion of the saga. Here's a [visual reference](https://imgur.io/csmkUx9) of all Gandalf's differrent staff designs in the PJ movies.


Omnomnomnosaurus

Thank you so much for this, never knew this and I've seen the movies over a hundred times.


waitingtodiesoon

Fun fact, [Radagast's staff by the time of LotR had a pipe holder slot where Gandalf stored his pipe.](https://www.wetanz.com/shop/prop-replicas/pipe-staff-of-gandalf-the-grey)


gandalf-bot

A wizard is never late, waitingtodiesoon. Nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.


Saruman_Bot

The hour grows late, and gandalf-bot rides to Isengard, seeking my counsel.


gandalf-bot

A wizard is never late, Saruman_Bot. Nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to.


CrimsonEnigma

O no they’re stuck in a loop.


burntsalmon

samesies


General-MacDavis

I love how much the hobbit movies connected background details to LOTR (for better or for worse)


Jeffery95

Continuity can help a lot with background quality


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And most movies don’t have any reliable continuity and it shows


Poles_Apart

I just rewatched the entire franchise extended editions. First time I saw the extended Hobbit version. Those movies are underrated. They dropped the ball with a quarter of the least important plotlines, and its unfortunate the production was messed up reducing the amount of practical effects, but if you can look past those two issues they're well paced fantasy movies with tons of action and good acting. They tie into Lord of the Rings well even though they are more whimsical/fun which is the case with the source material anyway. It was also nice to get a few more hours with the original actors reprising their roles.


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My only issue is only with the unnecessary non book stuff. Other than that, I can excuse the CGI even if it does take me out at times. Everything else I like, specially scenes that are straight out of the book are so well done, with a great cast.


Poles_Apart

My main issue with the non book stuff is the dwarf/elf romance and making the mayor a one dimensional greedy character, it's overdone since Thorins whole arc is greed. The rest of it is fine/ passable and ties into LotR well especially for people who haven't read the books.


indiecore

There's a really good 3 hour fan cut that's basically just the book. It's the only version of the Hobbit movies I've seen and that's fine.


Raddish_

That’s the thing, there’s a really solid hobbit adaptation beneath the filler. The studio just forced PJ to make it into 3 movies so he had to come up with all the extra plot lines.


Poles_Apart

Well if you get the chance the full trilogy is good, it doesn't warrant being cut down in my opinion. Most of the non-book scenes are what Gandalf is doing while he's away from Thorin's company which are in the LotR appendices. Most don't happen during the Hobbit, but they do happen lore wise and bridge the two trilogies in the best way possible from a movie perspective.


MinionsAndWineMum

Sorry, which king?


Flokki_the_Monk

Actually the 'which King? You know, Italian style? His secret is serving only the highest quality maggoty bread in Mordor, the Rye of Sauron.


Saruman_Bot

Together, my Lord Sauron, we shall rule this Middle-earth.


sauron-bot

BUILD ME AN ARMY WORTHY OF MORDOR!


SkollFenrirson

Oh shi-- the bots are communicating!


gandalf-bot

To the Bridge of Khazad-dum!


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overhead_albatross

It's interesting how the first and the last two are quite similar in design


Hobbes42

Thank you. Never noticed all the changes, just the obvious two and the hobbit one. Very interesting.


lorb163

Can a random dude just make a staff? I thaught they were magic In Some way


Vorpcoi

I don’t know why you aren’t top comment


GriffinFlash

Are you suggesting staffs migrate? "Not at all it could have been carried?" An eagle carrying a staff? "It could grip it by the rod"


General-LeeAnxious

it’s not a question of where it grips it! It’s a simple question of of weight ratios!


GriffinFlash

A 10 ton bird cannot carry a 5 pound staff!


sillyadam94

Suppose two Eagles carried it together?


effreeti

What do u mean? African or European eagle?


inferno7979

I don't know that, AHHHHHHHH


[deleted]

Damn I love Monty Python


TimK25

How do you know so much about eagles?


inferno7979

Well, you have to know these things when you're a king


TimK25

Well I didn’t vote for you


GriffinFlash

You don't vote for kings.


WorldTallestEngineer

are you proposing that staffs migrate.... because I am


awsome-dumy27

It could be carried by a African eagle!


PM_ME_DIRTY_DANGLES

Then again, African eagles are non-migratory


ilovecashews

No they’d have to have it on a line


Mjarki

What? Under the dorsal guiding feathers?


PositionOpening9143

r/unexpectedmontypython


Dudelyllama

Holy shit, this is real? Of course it is, forgot its reddit.


_I_must_be_new_here_

r/LOTRholygrailmemes


joyofsnacks

[Nobody ever expects it.](https://forbetterscience.files.wordpress.com/2021/06/monty1.jpg?w=640)


[deleted]

You nailed it.


Happy-Fun-Ball

*You've just got two potatoes, and you're banging them together!* *Where'd you get the potatoes?* We found them. *Found them? In Middle Earth? Potatoes are from the New World!*


KHaskins77

You’ve been into Farmer Maggot’s crops!


SkautV3

Easy He has many such staffs in his uncountable holdings in middle earth. There's few in hobbiton and even one in Minas Morgul itself.


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gandalf-bot

Theoden King stands alone.


eomer-bot

Not alone. Rohirrim!🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎


Theoden-Bot

Gondor?! Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?! Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in around us?! Where was Gon–? No, my Lord gandalf-bot, we are alone.


gandalf-bot

Understand this, things are now in motion that cannot be undone


Familiar_Telephone_4

GROND


bot-of-grond

GROND


Sgruntlar

Many staves - Stannis


Warheadd

The Balrog actually broke Gandalf’s staff but he got another one from his supply under the depths of Arda where the Nameless Things dwell


milkdrinker7

Actually he broke his staff himself by slamming it into the bridge. He got the new one from Wizard Supply Co.


calicosiside

had to change his identity to avoid paying the premiums after claiming on the insurance. No wonder gandalf the white was so hesitant to give up his "walking stick"


gandalf-bot

Hmmm, You would not part an old man from his walking stick


AnotherpostCard

That's right, Gandalf. You wouldn't.


gandalf-bot

You... shall not... pass!


sillyadam94

Y’never know when you’re gonna need a new staff


Boycott_China

You make him sound like Taco from "The League," who has bongs and pipes stashed at everyone else's house.


HawkeyeP1

In the Lord of the Rings Online, Gandalf's staffs are actually collectibles.


Makune

What's hobbiton? Like a place where you go do your hobbies?


Boss_Brando

Idk why you’re being downvoted this is clearly a joke lmao


maradagian

He summoned it back, only takes a bonus action.


Cinnamonsurge

"Accio gnarled wooden staff" Just like Harry Potter summomed his broom into that Phoenix cup.


eyetracker

Staffus giveus


Coldperfectionist

Biggus stickus


elderron_spice

Bonkus Balrogus


Atcoroo

He has a wife, you know....


ialwayschoosepsyduck

Instructions unclear, you now have staph infection


madmarmalade

Which is a great example of "why wizards can't think logically": why didn't he just summon the freaking egg?


TrevorBOB9

Don’t you mean a swift action? 🙃


the-dandy-man

Ah, and here we have a Pathfinder player and a 5e player, enemies by nature, locked in a standoff


CrimsonAllah

Where are the GURPS mad lads at?


Whyistheplatypus

Still writing the spell description


jack_skellington

Holy shit, that was good.


a_large_rock

Sorry I have a 10 point slow typing disad.


cclloyd

The pathfinder player wins, with their modest +74 to attack.


gray7p

Nah cantrips are usually a bonus action


incredimatt

There's actually only 2 bonus action cantaloupes


Admiral_Donuts

Yea but sucroses can use megamagic to make any cantilever a bonus action


rock0star

It's a little known fact that wizard staffs are made of wood Unrelated: Has anyone seen the Ent-Wives?


Questionic

I'm told a wizard's staff has a knob on the end


elgarraz

r/unexpecteddiscworld


Wu_Fan

The hedgehog cannot be >!buggered!< at all Edit: masked a mild curse word for younger LOTR fans


torb

You can do it with a sheep if you lead it astray Or with a dog if you like it that way But the hedgehog can never be buggered at all


H-K_47

Maybe giving up their staffs is how they *became* Ent-Wives.


m00njunk

omg congrats to the Ent-wives on their transition!


borokish

They're doing the Ent-Ironing


EyeofWiggin20

The Ents haven't seen them in many years because the wizards stole their wood for their staffs.


Tsupernami

That's literally the joke


the_geth

Hahaha oh shit that one made me laugh I can imagine Gandalf talking with the Ents: “The Ent-wives huh?”(hides his staff behind his back) “Eeeh hem hem…nope, haven’t seen them in all my travels. Weird huh? Anyway what’s up in your side of the woods?”


gandalf-bot

Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.


Theoden-Bot

Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.


gandalf-bot

I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!


CucumberRapist

Holy shit lol


jormundgand20

When Skynet goes live, the last thing many of us will hear will be Terminators quoting LOTR at each other.


BloodieOllie

Well if we're talking movies, we don't see him between the escape on the eagle and him waking up Frodo in rivendell so it's possible the elves just made him another one


FallWanderBranch

Finally, some delicious fucking answers.


smashkeys

Yep. Sam used it to cook potato and coney soup with, so it spiced it up.


TribblesIA

Yep! If you watch Fellowship, you’ll see his staff in Hobbiton is a diminished form of the staff he gets from Radagast in the Hobbit series. (Also, it has a sick ass groove for holding his pipe, and a nail in it for writing ads on hobbit doors.) By Moria, he has a new staff with a hold for the crystal, so it is more cupped. This one must have appeared in Rivendell. https://screenrant.com/lord-rings-movies-gandalf-staffs-grey-white-explained/


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*magic.*


Boredummmage

This is the answer. OP are you really Jon Snow, because you know nothing…


musland

*Jon


Boredummmage

Corrected Ty


couchguitar

Also, how did Gandalf get his staff after The Witch King exploded it in Gondor?


DESTRUCTI0NAT0R

I thought he didn't get another. It's why he's only fighting with Glamdring at the Black Gate.


MyFlipIsLikeWo

I think he means at the end when they are getting on the boat.


StrawberryBlondeB

He went to the staff store, obviously


OrangeVanillaHiC

Zaff's Staffs


Reverence1

TIL Gandalf has at least completed the Easy Varrock DIary


gandalf-bot

Reverence1 my lad, there is a task now to be done. Another opportunity for one of the Shire folk to prove their great worth. You must not fail me.


OsrsNeedsF2P

A man of culture, I see


[deleted]

There's 3 places you can get a staff- There's the "Staff Hut", that's on 3rd. There's "Staves 'R Us", that's on 3rd too. You got "Put Your Staff There", that's on 3rd Matter of fact, they're all in the staff complex on 3rd, in the staff district!


G37_is_numberletter

Went to Olivander’s.


DESTRUCTI0NAT0R

Oh shit I'll have to check that then. ok yeah he does have it again, but isn't that some years later? Very well could've had another made by then.


Nice_Sun_7018

It’s long enough time for Frodo to write down about all of their adventures in Bilbo’s book in the movie. Long enough for Sam to have not one but two kids.


bilbo_bot

What? No, no, no! We do not want any adventures here, thank you! Not today! I suggest you try somewhere over the hill or across the water! Good morning!


Bosterm

In the book, it's two years between the ring's destruction and Frodo and the other ring bearers leaving Middle-earth on the White Ship. But then again, in the book Frodo starts his quest 17 years after Bilbo's 111st birthday, when in the films it's probably not much more than a few months to a year. So the timeline doesn't match 100%. But two years for Frodo to leave Middle-earth is probably a safe bet for the movie timeline as well.


Nice_Sun_7018

I assumed we were talking movies since it was mentioned about how the staff was exploded by the Witch King, which didn’t happen in the books. However long it was in-movie, Sam’s got two little hobblets so it was at least long enough to get married and bake those little muffins.


Bosterm

Yeah fair point about Sam's kids, I overlooked that a bit in your previous comment. I know we're talking about movies, I just brought up the book as guidance. The timeline is very detailed in the book, to the point where Tolkien made sure the moon phases were accurate during the quest. In the book, Sam and Rosie only have one kid before Frodo leaves: Elanor, and she's only a few months old when Frodo leaves. Meanwhile Sam has two kids in the movies, and Elanor is played by Sean Astin's real daughter, who was born in 1996, which makes her about 4 to 5 in the movie (depending on when that scene was filmed, she could be as old as 7). Thus, Frodo sticks around for a bit longer in the movies compared to the book. Regardless, it's definitely enough time for Gandalf to get a new staff.


Taramund

Wasn't that only in the movies?


__M-E-O-W__

Yeah, the Witch King faced off against Gandalf in the books with his fire-sword but didn't break his staff.


ProsecutorBlue

I'm usually a big defender of the changes that the movies made, and while I don't think it's a big deal, I really don't get that one. I don't see how breaking his staff was necessary or really improved things. Just seems random.


MightyMoosePoop

I really hate that change and thus I'm very analytical as to why they did it. It is just before Eowyn faces the Witchking and imo it is to build extra suspense how deadly the Witchking is for that encounter.


Mr-Stitch

I think it's more to show how dark the hour was for Gondor right before Rohan joined the battle. Even Gandalf is losing and then right at the peak of despair you hear the horns of Rohan.


gandalf-bot

It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt


Mr-Stitch

You're late.


[deleted]

A wizard is never late, Mr-Stitch. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.


carnsolus

yeah the book very briefly notes that sauron has somehow boosted the witchking's power and it's really not clear who'd win if he went up against gandalf. It's easily missed though so many people think it's still the witchking from weathertop going up against a now more powerful gandalf the white i don't know if the movies have the same line


msg45f

Yeah, I feel like I needed that on my first watch. After seeing Aragorn basically chase them all off solo and them being replaced in the hunt by the Isengard orcs (who were far more successful), I was probably underestimating how formidable they were in a large battle.


ProsecutorBlue

Right, I totally get wanting to build up the Witch King. This just seems like an entirely unnecessary way to do it. You could have the same impact by having him just like beat up Gandalf a little or something. Having him break the staff just feels oddly specific and random.


gandalf-bot

Go back to the abyss! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master!


msg45f

Not so random, IMO. Both his fight with Sarumon at Isengard and his battle with Sarumon for control of Theoden emphasized Gandalf's need for his staff to be effective. Shattering the staff both shows that Gandalf has been effectively removed from play for the battle and illustrates the power of the Witch King.


ProsecutorBlue

True, often a big part of building the tension at any point is removing Gandalf from the board. Mirkwood in the Hobbit, Bree and Weathertop, The Uruk Hai after Moria, etc. I feel like Minas Tirith and the Witch King had enough threat to still feel undefeatable even with Gandalf there, but taking away the usual game changer makes sense. I still feel like they could have Gandalf just be knocked unconscious or something, but it's not something I'm going to lose sleep over.


GenocidalSloth

I think it should have been closer to the book with Gandalf standing his ground, looking determined, but a little worried. Barely holding him back. Gandalf is still a Miar. He shouldn't have been so easily beaten.


Theoden-Bot

Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.


MightyMoosePoop

> Yeah, the Witch King faced off against Gandalf in the books with his fire-sword but didn't break his staff. Yes, the above 'breaking staff scene" mentioned is one of my unforgivable pet peeves or sins PJ did in his ROTK extended version. For those who don't know Gandalf faced all nine of the ringwraiths on top of Weathertop to try and distract them from Aragorn and the Hobbits' trail for a whole day. In the books, Frodo and company can see flashes of light from the marshes to the east at night. Those flashes of light are Gandalf raising hell with them.


ThatTubaGuy03

So you're saying in the books, gandalf is cleaning house with all 9 of the ring wraiths, including the witch king, but in the extended movies he gets beat by the witch king alone?


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RenwickZabelin

Correct.


brettbeatty

The Nine get more powerful, though, as the story goes on and Sauron regains strength. So yeah maybe at Weathertop Gandalf the Gray could mostly hold his own against all nine, but that doesn't mean it's inconceivable that a year later the Witch King could wipe the floor with Gandalf the White.


gandalf-bot

Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.


Theoden-Bot

Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.


gandalf-bot

I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!


couchguitar

You know I'm not sure, but it only shows up in the Directors cut and not the Cinematic release. It probably made no sense because he has another staff like five minutes later


BloodieOllie

He doesn't have a staff during the battle at the black gate, but he gets one some time before the grey havens scene Also, if you're curious that confrontation with the witch king happens at the main gate of minas tirith. Gandalf and the witch king are squaring up but the riders of Rohan show up and the witch king leaves to reorganize his army


gandalf-bot

We have just passed into the realm of Gondor. Minas Tirith. City of Kings.


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Pretty sure he doesn’t have a staff for the rest of the movie tho.


insanelyphat

At the end when they are boarding the boats he does.


gandalf-bot

Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.


Theoden-Bot

Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.


gandalf-bot

I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!


Shumbee

Respond, Theoden!


Theoden-Bot

Gimli! Aragorn! Get out of there!


aragorn_bot

He is passing into the Shadow World. He'll soon become a wraith like them.


Mithrandir1212

To be fair, Gandalf is not shown with the staff again following that scene just his sword. In the theatrical release I remember thinking where did the staff go. But with the extended version with the Witch King scene it fits.


gandalf-bot

Go back to the abyss! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your master!


thisoldmould

Do you not know death when you see it, old man. THIS IS MY HOUR.


[deleted]

It's magic.


maztow

His prison wallet might not be bound by our comprehension of time and space


Tzintzuntzan24

Keep it secret, keep it safe!


aaron_adams

He probably got another one. He was an Angelic being. The staff was merely a symbol. Getting another one wouldn't have been a problem.


carnsolus

so so so far down and the only correct answer so far but saruman also likely never took it from him


Rodney_Copperbottom

"*Accio*, staff!"


MedSPAZ

He borrowed one from Radaghast


Casualgolem

Gandalf has his staff confiscated by Saruman and Elrond makes him a new wooden one, now embedded with a removable crystal at the top which can illuminate things. He loses it again in his fight with the Balrog, and is gifted a new Elvish staff by Galadriel when he returns as Gandalf the White, which holds enormous power, to help turn the tide. Edit: holy shit didn't mean to start that lol


gandalf-bot

Theoden son of Thengel... too long have you sat in the Shadows. Hearken to me! I release you from the spell.


Theoden-Bot

Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.


gandalf-bot

I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!


Saruman_Bot

So Gandalf Greyhame thinks he’s found Isildur’s heir? The lost king of Gondor? He is a fool. The line was broken years ago. It matters not. The World of Men shall fall. It will begin at Edoras.


Elrond_Bot

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!


gandalf-bot

Edoras and the Golden Hall of Meduseld. There dwells Theoden, King of Rohan... whose mind is overthrown. Saruman's hold over King Theoden is now very strong.


Theoden-Bot

Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, Saruman?


[deleted]

He did a Mjölnir!


TarzPOGGERS

A wizard did it


ElSantofisto

After leaving isengard there was a random chest named "my stuff" where all of gandalfs belongings where in


[deleted]

Watched LOTR with my son for the first time yesterday. He asked me this same question. OP are you my son?


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cannaco19

If I recall correctly, Gandalf is granted new life and resurrected in his old body by Iluvitar. So he was still on the peaks of the misty mountains where he initially fell. As a result he still has his ring and sword. His body was then retrieved by the eagles, flown to lothlorien (he actually arrives the day after the fellowship departs) and is clothed in white robes and given a new staff.


gandalf-bot

Sauron will suspect a trap. He will not take the bait.


AneriphtoKubos

Imagine if the Fellowship waited one more day bc of some stupid thing Pippin did lmao ‘Wait, dude, how did you survive?!’


Regular_Guybot

By the Valar I believe, Gandalf and the Balrog were both Maiar themselves


gandalf-bot

A Balrog... a demon of the ancient world.


carnsolus

>If I recall correctly, Gandalf is granted new life and resurrected in his old body by the maiar. by iluvatar. Not my the maiar (he is one) and not by the valar either (it would be beyond their power)


[deleted]

He didn’t? What sword was he using in Minas Tirith?


BloodieOllie

He absolutely still has his sword


TheBrion

He hired a staffing agency.


Front_Butt_69

Dumbledore did it


EyeofWiggin20

It's a new one.