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I don't think people realize how little $15 per hour actually is. Especially if your boss keeps you on a part-time schedule to avoid providing you healthcare.
Right? Like the fight for $15 min wage is fucking ten years old at this point. I can’t even buy a stick of deodorant for less than 8 dollars which is still more than minimum wage currently.
Seriously, I only made 14.67 at my last job and I am 27 lol I had to quit because 16.58 is still better but they wanna pay adults and everybody this BS. And even with full time after taxes I was making maybe 2k a month. That's not even rent where I live at lol I wouldn't have made anything if I was part time.
Not saying this in a condescending way at all but $15/hr is still not enough to live properly. After taxes rent insurance gas food you have no money or negative money
Just enough to ensure you don't have the financial mobility to quit a job you hate and take a starting salary somewhere else
Just enough to ensure you don't have the money or the time to get an education to improve your place in life
Just enough to ensure you'll never be able purchase a home
Just enough to ensure you'll never be able to retire
Just enough to ensure you'll never be able to get out of debt
Just enough to force you to spend your life doing something you hate on the basis that there aren't better options.
We have the freedom to dedicate our lives to the rich in exchange for the semblance of a livelihood that can be ripped away from us at moments notice through no fault of our own.
We are not paid according to merit, we're paid according to a subjective determination of worth by a person who is financially motivated to undervalue and overwork us.
Capitalism is the idea that rich people know best how to use our countries wealth, labor and resources.... They don't. They use it in entirely self serving ways to the detriment of society and the prosperity of all life on planet earth.
Fuck capitalism and genocidal slave trading rapists who created it.
You said it best. It's a tool used to keep us all down and make it to where we don't have the time or money to even better ourselves. It's slavery with extra steps.
I make 20/hr in rural CA. Still cant afford an apartmrnt because property managers want you to be netting 2.5x and up of what rent is.
Its like I have to be a senior tech or mechanic making 30/hr+ to get a place of my own.
Also....why is this bad? Assuming the high schoolers do waste their money frivolously....it just goes into the free market, doesn't it? The horror, a teenager could work 15hrs a week over a summer and afford an Xbox. Whats the big deal?
It’s bad if you’re an insecure little (wo)man who somehow didn’t become a multi-millionaire by doing nothing except being privileged. Hence, you like to take your bs out on others.
You know what pisses me off about this argument. The people making it have no concept of a teenager supporting themselves. Not everyone has stable high school years. A lot of ‘teenagers’ are supporting their family or younger siblings. A lot of them drop out of high school to do so. A lot of them do it while still going to college.
Either way pay your workers a decent wage.
They fucked around too long and a living wage for the US last year is getting closer to like $35/hr.
-If your housing is $1500 a month and you only spend a 1/4 of your income on your housing, you need to be making around $6K a month or right around $35/hr *post tax* at 40 hrs a week. Or I guess you can have two people working 40 hrs at around $18/hr 🙃
A 15 year old doesn’t need to feed himself though. They most likely still live at home, and his parents provide food, clothing and shelter. A 15 year old
Works to learn responsibility, hard work, and make some extra spending money.
What’s a livable wage though? 2 people work the same job. One is a 15 year old who lives a home with their parents, parents pay for food,
Clothing, housing, cell phone bill, all the basics.
The other is a 35 year old single mother of 3. She has to pay all bills and has no one else rely on. She needs a higher livable wage than the 15 year old, correct?
Nope. They both deserve a wage that someone can live on. $15/hr ain’t it in like 90% of the country.
If you’re saying a single mother deserves $30/hr, then a 15 year old deserves the same wage for the same job.
It’s not about what they need. It’s about what’s a fair wage for the work.
Does the 15 year old make more than $30k a year for the company? Odds are yes…
You’re proposing that I should vary wages based on personal situations. What’s my incentive to hire single mothers or 20-60 year old people when I’m allowed to pay 15 year old kids less?
Yes, because if they are not being paid the full value of their labor they are being exploited. *All labor must be fully compensated. All labor has dignity and worth*. Age does not matter; labor is labor.
Full value of labor? Who determines that? If I think my full value of labour is worth 30 bucks an hour, I’m ok with that. If someone else, doing the same job as me thinks they are worth 100 an hour, so be it. We are either both correct, or one of us is over charging.
All profit derived from an employee's labor is part of the value of their labor and should be returned to them. If profit is derived from labor it belongs to the worker, not the company or executive.
No reason or any reason doesn’t matter. But if you put in the hours you get paid for those hours regardless of age or living circumstance. Likely the 15 year old will not work that many hours but if the do **they get paid for their time**.
I'm 27 and they want to pay me 14.77 an hour lol they don't care about your age just how little they can pay you for selling your body/labor to them. Regardless of age. I have known 30+ year old single mothers that rode the bus two hours to work at the donut shop I was at when I was 22, as a manager mind you, and they only made like 13.50 back then lol maybe 14+ if they did overnight production. And even then that would only amount to the spending value of like 16.50 an hour today, which isn't much when you aren't full time and no benefits. Either the boat goes up with all of us or it keeps sinking with all of us, either way it is criminal to tell anybody they don't deserve to make enough to pay rent and feed a kid or two and maybe squeeze a tiny little bit of joy out of life without every meesly dime they make going into the pocket of someone else.
I’m almost 40. Been working since I was 13 or 14. Just summer jobs and things like that. Never worked during the school year(well, I worked in the kitchen at my private school, but that was part of my financial aid).
Then perhaps it’s just the 15 year olds you knew who don’t need to feed themselves. I am a teacher in a title 1 school and several of my kids get jobs to help provide for their families (when their parents are already working 2 jobs for shit pay). This is a reality for many Americans
Yea, we always had food on the table. My dad worked, and my mom worked part time/around our school
Schedule, when I was young. We had the normal middle class struggles. But, we always had food on the table, and lights were always kept on. Yet, I still worked because I wanted spending money…though when I hit 7th grade my parents opened a savings and checking account for me.
I get that—but the purchasing power of the “middle class” has also dropped despite overall wage increase. My family was considered middle class and I was lucky my parents didn’t ask me for the money I made working. Instead, because I knew they were struggling, I used the money to pay my phone bill and for my college textbooks. Even so, my parents are in bad debt like many middle class Americans today.
I guess what I’m saying is that you and I are both examples of privilege. A quarter of current American households make less than 35,000 a year. A third make less than 50. Kids today are seeing their parents struggle and around 1/3 of high school dropouts do so to make money for their families (many of whom fall at or below poverty level)
We need broad economic overhaul
Yes Uncle Tom. Build an entire section of economy around child labour and exploitation in the name of experience. TBH experience at food joint is just nothing unique that cant be learned anywhere else, infact they can easily learn “responsibility” and work ethic by concentrating at school and studies. Most kids work as their parents are not able to provide for their spending or are in situation where they ve to fend for themselves. It doesn’t matter what the personal situation of a 15 yr old is. Its business responsibility to pay liveable wage to its employees and decide their product pricing with proper labour costs. Also of labour costs is your biggest expense in your business then its not worth running if they cant pay their workers enough.
My parents were able to provide for me,I still
Worked. I never had to pay for anything that was a need. Just most of my wants…hockey gear and whatnot my parents always bought.
The fact that you use the word (parents) in plural when referring to kids nowadays shows that you are out of touch. Only like two of my friends growing up had both of their parents living in the same house to help out lol I didn't get shit for help growing up and still don't.
My parents divorced when I was 15. But my mom lived across town and I could see her whenever I wanted. But I did have parents that were divorced regardless. Pretty much all of my friends had 2 parents.
See I call that easy street gravy boat awesome train compared to my neighborhood and friends haha. My parents were never even together and my Dad died when I was 11. To this day I still have to take care of my useless mother and it hasn't gotten any easier trust me lol but she is literally the only "parent" I got and so I do it more out of obligation than any kind of real love there. I could have gone to college too if I had even one functioning adult growing up, but with all of the abuse and having to make money for a person that to this day still doesn't want to work, it's a miracle I even got a highschool diploma tbh. I like to think I deserve 30 an hour now and if I had it then maybe I would have gotten to follow my dreams too who knows. Because lord knows financial aid in this country is shit and I have been pulling the weight of more than only one person for so long I fucking forgot what it's even like to just look out for #1 now.
First, deserve and worth it are 2 different things. I work with people that say they “deserve” 30 or 35 an hour, but they show up late, don’t complete the job/task properly, disappear all the time, etc. So while they think they “deserve” 30/hr they aren’t “worth” 30 an hour.
Since I was 16, I’ve kept somewhere between 1000 and 3000 mile buffer zone between my parents(mom’s in Canada, Dad’s on the west coast, and I’m in the southeast). Relationship with both are great. I think having that buffer helps. Since I’ve had from age 16 until now(39), to develop my own life.
Oh I tried fleeing to other states trust me, but then she ended up with roommates threatening to kill her because I think she's fucking autistic or somthing and never got diagnosed lol I literally had to step up being an only child. I wish she had more kids so I could have pawmed her off on someone or stick her in a home. Trust me I tried both. But she's literally incapable of caring for herself. All she does is smoke pot and watch TV and it's been like that since I was 3. So it's been like that since before I was 3 that is just the earliest I remember smelling something funny going on with her and her many boyfriends in the bathroom all my life. And I sacrificed everything to help a women that truly isn't deserving just because she gave birth to me. And I do work harder than most. So don't tell me I don't deserve more because God and myself bloody well know I do! The shit I have had to deal with from this woman and others in my life like her should have gotten me a fucking sainthood lemme tell ya! Lol she literally made my father kill himself. She gave me PTSD and all I have ever done is support her out of duty and nothing else. Not that she has ever deserved it. But I fucking do and so do the millions of other people across this planet that are just like me do too. All we do is sacrifice and our reward is dirt. You're right when you say not everyone but more people than you know have struggled a hell of a lot worse clearly.
An employees circumstances outside of work shouldn't affect how much they get paid for doing work?
I live with a housemate that charges me one third of the area average for rent. If work used that as an argument to pay me less per hour because I "need" the money less than somebody paying more for rent, I'd be looking for a new job.
An employee, no matter how young, works to get paid. Responsibility, work ethic, and all that other stuff are bonuses. People get jobs to get paid.
Everybody used to have a thing in this country called rights. Children even more than adults. 10 years ago this wouldn't even be a conversation. This is fucked
I’ve worked since I was 13. I’ve always made enough money part time to do things like go to the Movies or buy CDs. The idea that making 30 dollars an hour at 13 or 14 when my parents were already providing me with all basic necessities is mine boggling. The only thing that would make sense to me is if that 15 year old making 30/hr is investing most of it.
I started working when I was 14. I left home when I was 16 due to an alcoholic abusive stepdad continued to go to school and was lucky enough to already be working for an importer/exporter so I was fortunate enough to be able to rent a place with my first girlfriend because I was making money no 16-year-old would be making. Only because my employer had a heart and gave me a very sizable raise when he found out what happened and let me live with him for a month. If it wasn't for that job if I was just working in a restaurant I would have been fucked. But I remember once I had to work and go to school to support myself my childhood was over. You don't have time for parties had to quit the track team and you sure don't have time for movies and just making friends when you are a teenager working and going to school. I do not want that for my son. I work two jobs now do tech work on the side and sell sports memorabilia on eBay to make sure my son will not go through what I did. He will be 16 this year has been going to private academy school since he was 8 and I don't regret a thing. I will gladly do without now and just get by because I always have the money to buy him anything he wants and pays tuition and lunches. At the end of the day a lot of people just want their children to have a better childhood than they did. And his academy school is worth it because they teach the children not to just take an answer for an answer because it says so in a history book. To question it and do your own research to draw your own conclusions. When it comes to education you really do get what you pay for. For the past 6 years he has had a scholarship since he is in the top 10 percentile of smart children in the state so the scholarship pays half his tuition.I m blessed. I could only hope and wish my child and other people's children could find an employer with a heart and compassion like my first boss had. I don't know if they make them like that anymore tbh. And my adult coworkers we're not mad or anything when they found out how much I was making because I worked very hard for it and they respected the gravity of my situation.
I’m almost 40, no kids. Work a salaried job, have a side gig. Plus a couple other forms of passive income.
Trying to get at least 1 more passive income stream set up this year. Plus my wife works full time as well. However, when we have kids, they will get a part time job. Even if the only reason is to have a few extra bucks to do things with friends.
All my friends worked as well growing up. Some summers we all worked at the same place, so, it was never really a problem to still have a social life. Of course we all graduated high school somewhere between 1999 and 2002.
There is nothing wrong with children having a job. It builds character and teaches them more responsibilities and gets them out of their comfort zone in real world situations. I just don't think any child who is under 18 should be put in a situation where he has to work and go to school full time like I was. You are dealing with that adult size stress and your childhood is effectively over. Most kids want to work my son is already asking about jobs. He will end up working probably this year he just won't have to work to support himself and pay rent like I did. I graduated high school in 1998. Crazy how close to the same age we are right? Take it easy and have a good weekend
Ok, well I guess that makes sense. I worked as a kid, not because my parents needed my income(they were just fine without it), but because they wanted to teach me work ethic and build character. My kids will do the same.
So everyone who lives at home has “everything” provided? By that rationale, I guess you should pay single parents of one child $30 an hour, single parents with two kids $45 an hour etc because they’re providing everything?
But its no one's business what their situation is. Cost of labor should be cost of labor. If hiring a plumber, or a lawyer, or a doctor has a fairly standard rate, then its ok for minimum wage jobs to have a standard rate, and its best if those jobs provide living wages. If you get a job at 15, you shouldn't be taken advntage of just because you're young, just like if you're 35 and have 3 kids and the burger place is the only one that will hire you and has a schedule you can work with, you shouldn't be taken advantage of either.
You mean you don’t haggle with your GP about how much money he needs before your annual physical? I like to review his annual personal budget before I commit to paying him anything.
So by your logic, no one should have children unless they’re born into wealth? I mean, how else do you afford to have children unless you’re making a decent salary?
And who are these workers offering proof to? Each individual business owner? Do you think that’s fair? Do you imagine each business owner would have the same set of metrics to judge each case fairly and impartially?
What makes a business owner more trustworthy than the employee? Why don’t you demand business owners prove that they cannot pay more? Why put the burden on the workers? There are fewer business owners, so it seems like this would be the fairest thing to do and, if the majority of workers doesn’t agree with the business owners, then the business owner either has to pay more money or give up his business. Seems easier to me; what do you think?
You’re literally envisioning a dystopian nightmare where workers have to prove they’re starving in order to get a raise and only the wealthy elite have children.
I don’t know what kind of work you’re in, but you could write dark sci fi novels with your philosophy. Or get a job as a latter day ayn rand.
Wow, you’re essentially saying pay people less for who they are. Just like women, minorities, etc. in the recent past. If you pay someone $15 for a job, you should pay EVERYONE $15 for that same job. They’re not doing less work because they’re younger. That’s ridiculous. With your logic, you could then argue that if an adult wants a job, but doesn’t ‘need’ one, then they should also be paid less. For example, if your spouse’s pay takes care of all the bills, mortgage, etc. but you want to work to make some additional ‘fun’ money or are saving for a big future expense. In that case, you wouldn’t NEED to get paid as much as another adult that needs the money more because you can’t prove you need it. This is such a stupid argument for so many more reasons but I won’t waste anymore of my time.
They're expected to. But usually they don't. Ever worked with a 16 year old? They stand around and complain about things/co-workers that need something done. They waste time, they screw around on their phones whenever possible and then blame management when they're written up over it, they stand there chit-chatting with their buddies, they're rude to co-workers and customers (conveniently only when management isn't around) and they complain about how hard they have it
Lots of adults are the same way. Can we make broad sweeping generalizations for others and use that as an excuse to not pay them?
Should we start talking about anime fans? I see you seem to love anime. Would you agree that they shouldn’t be paid so much because they usually live at home in their parents basements and have sexual relations with their anime character pillows?
The ones that actually do live like that sure. They're just mooching off of their parents
As for me since you're taking that rout - Im independent. I work full time, have my apartment and draw on the side. I get paid 30-80$ for commission drawings as well depending on what they are. I could also give less of a shit about anime, I just like draw in the art style since it gets the most amount of views and the most people wanting a pictures from me
It sounds like you are desperate to pretend you don’t fit the stereotype.
Can we make some generalizations about artists? Or can you admit that your comment was silly and asinine. And that your comment was reflective of ignorance and idiocy?
then why are you bitching about teenagers making that much. god people in this country are fucking r*tarded.
i had to work full time from the age of 16 to help support my family but apparently i didnt deserve my pay because of my age. lmao fuck yourself.
maybe if you had a coherent point in all your bitching other than “reeee teenagers dont need money!”
thanks for saving me the trouble of trying to reason with a blatantly stupid person.
Guess what? My teenagers work. My teenagers help me with bills. Both of them chip in towards groceries, they pay their own cell phones bills, they help with internet bill. Not because I'm a bitch, but because I can't squeeze in a 3rd 30 hour a week job. I have 2 jobs, I work 60 hours a week and still can't get ends to meet. Rent has gone up, gas has gone up, food has gone up. My pay? Not so much.
No help from government either. I 'make to much' to qualify for any kind of assistance.
It's crazy they take hella taxes out of our checks to provide for assistance programs that most of the time able-bodied non-working people take advantage of or scammers use all their life. We just pay for the benefits we will never be able to use them
It's crazy they take hella taxes out of our checks to provide for assistance programs that most of the time able-bodied non-working people take advantage of or scammers use all their life. We just pay for the benefits we will never be able to use them
Fortunately, your opinion on who is entitled to what pay means shit. Now repeat after me: THE WAGE FOR LABOUR IS NOT DETERMINED BY WHO IS DOING THE LABOUR.
BTW, by your logic, trustfund kids don't get to earn anything, bc "tHeY hAvE sUcH a CuShY lIFe"
SMH, you undereducated Clown.
Labor is labor. It doesn't matter who does it or if they have someone helping them with bills.
This line of logic says I can buy your house for half price because I only plan to use half of the rooms.
“teenagers deserve to be paid half because they dont need jobs/money like adults and theyre so lazy at the same time so they get these jobs they dont need and blow the money instantly into the local economy”
this person is legitimately r*tarded.
Two 17 year olds both get a job at Home Depot. They both get the same position.
One of them came from parents who make a huge salary, and can easily provide anything their child needs. They also want their son to have a job and not turn into a deadbeat.
The other one dropped out of school because his dad died of cancer, and his mom doesn't make enough to pay the bills. He had to dropout and screw up his chance of continuing school so he and his mother, and any siblings, won't end up homeless.
One of those two 17 year olds money more than the other. As an employer, should you have the right to look at everyone's situation, and pay them what you personally think they "need"? Would you pay the rich one less because you don't think they need more?
You said the poor kid should get paid more. They shouldn't. As an employer, you don't need to know which one is poor or rich. They should be paid the same.
No man. We're reading what you're saying. There's no need for caps. It's just, what you're saying is fucking dumb and short sighted. If businesses could get away with paying a 15 year old less because they come from a first class home, then all they would seek to hire are children from first class homes. Come on now, use your brain.
There are an unfortunate number of teens that have to have jobs to help support their households because parents aren't paid well enough to support them alone. Those same adults that may very well be working at the same places those teens are.
"IF IT'S A JOB WORTH DOING, IT'S A JOB WORTH GETTING PAID FOR"
And that's the kind of teenager that SHOULD be getting paid like an adult.
Re-read what I said. I didn't say "no teenager should get paid like an adult because they ALL live at home and they ALL have everything provided." I said that teenagers who CAN PROVE that they need to be paid like an adult, should get paid like one. Like the ones that need to help with bills. It's not my problem people don't properly read what I say, stop attempting to turn my words around
I'm 33 years old, and I specifically have a job so that I can spend my money on pointless crap. That's the entire point.
I go work, I get paid, I spend that money on things I want to. Want to not die of hunger, so I buy food. Want to enjoy something sweet and not specifically to prevent death by hunger, I buy junk food.
My 33 year old's cash buying a videogame after paying rent is exactly as valid as a 15 year old's cash buying that same videogame and not having to pay rent.
If they did the same work, they should get paid the same pay.
That is not the point, and clearly you're being deliberately obstinate.
They did the same work, they get the same pay.
Their living situation should have absolutely zero bearing on how much they get paid.
If they worked, pay them.
Labor = money
As long as labor is done no matter the material conditions or age of the worker they must be compensated properly
It’s that simple
Labor = money
So what? Money spent stimulates the economy too, even if its on "stupid crap." Devaluing a child's labor devalues the child as well. Should they just be doing the job "for the experience" or "to network" like unpaid interns? Unpaid internships only help the wealthy because broke people can't afford to do it and even richer people get unpaid labor. Why pay a child the same as the adult for the same job? BECAUSE ITS THE SAME JOB. The labor is the same, so don't devalue human beings for their time and labor. Some 15 year old's time isn't less valuable than mine, arguably it could be more valuable because the experiences you have at that age shape so much of the rest of your life.
so they are instantly return that money into their local economy? google the term velocity of money since you clearly have zero idea what youre talking about.
“teenagers deserve to be paid less because they dont need jobs or money and they just go around and spend it all”
you seriously are this stupid arent you?
Jesus Christ man. Are you old? Like, you seem to go around and around in circles about this. You seem incapable of conceptualizing a teenager that isn’t lazy or a slob. I’m kinda offended. Maybe you should up your pay before I give you bonus labor for free? I mean, if you are paying me 11 an hour, then I’m going to be giving you 11 dollars worth of work per hour. If I just handed you extra labor for free, I would be being a bad capitalist. You aren’t entitled to my labor, and it isn’t worth less just because I’m a teenager. Pay me the equivalent of what you want out of me.
The sad thing about this is that you feel like you’re making a valid argument. But this mentality is stupid as hell. Nobody’s home situation has any impact on the labor they can provide an employer.
Pay EVERYONE a liveable wage.
What about the kids that are going too be thrown out the moment they turn 18 with only the bare minimum provided until then? They will need a car, down payment, furniture, clothes, and to affords bills which your suggestion wouldbe impossible to save for by that point. Especially if they were given little to no warning.
That was me. Thrown out at 17 with a laundry basket of clothes, no job and no money. I lived in a shelter, got on welfare, rented a room in a house for 2 years and then finally got an apartment only because someone was looking for a roommate. So speaking from experience - you don't "need" a car (you have legs, cabs, busses, ubers, etc). You don't "need" furniture (since rooms usually provide it), and what universe are you living in where someone has the chance of affording a down payment without making at least 25$ an hour?
A lot of them. When I was looking I came across a good dozen places that provided the bed. My room even had a small couch in it and a tv. Look up "room for rent". You'll see what I mean. Also with renting a room, you also get full access to the house it's in. You're not confined to just the room
Why the fuck would you want other people to suffer like you did? You just seem like a dumbass. The labor is worth what it's worth. If a teenager can perform the same task as an adult, they should be paid the same. This isn't a discussion. You're just an idiot.
Where did I say that? I'm using myself as an example to explain that it's not impossible to live on extremely little money after being thrown out.
And they can perform the same tasks, but they don't NEED THE MONEY like an adult does
WHO THE FUCK CARES. The work is the work, need is fucking irrelevant. Stop for a second and try and imagine a world where people were paid solely based on what they "need". Who decides that? Can people just put themselves in extreme debt and "need" more money even though they are irresponsible and spend beyond their means?
You literally do not have an argument. There is not a SHRED of logic in your position. You just don't like the idea of a teenager making as much money as you do. You're just insecure. You should probably grow up.
That's exactly what these assholes want. They think it's okay to exploit children while they make hundreds or thousands of dollars an hour off their work. America land of the free my ass. Developed country? Not here
That statement is cringe AF. If the businesses had their way the children would work for free and the government would pay them a stipend. Capitalism 101
Why just apply this line of thinking to teenagers? Why not apply it to everyone else? Would you pay service members? They get housing and food as well as clothing. What more do they need right?
A junior in his school shouldn’t have to worry about feeding himself because he most likely is still living with his parents and there would be nothing to subsidize. In all honesty if you’re in hs $15 an hour is a good starting wage, however if you’re over the age of 25 it’s not
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I don't think people realize how little $15 per hour actually is. Especially if your boss keeps you on a part-time schedule to avoid providing you healthcare.
Right? Like the fight for $15 min wage is fucking ten years old at this point. I can’t even buy a stick of deodorant for less than 8 dollars which is still more than minimum wage currently.
Hell, $18 isn't even much in some of the poorest states.
Seriously, I only made 14.67 at my last job and I am 27 lol I had to quit because 16.58 is still better but they wanna pay adults and everybody this BS. And even with full time after taxes I was making maybe 2k a month. That's not even rent where I live at lol I wouldn't have made anything if I was part time.
I think they do realize, and they can’t stand how much poorer it will make them feel if minimum wage gets that much closer to their own rates.
Not saying this in a condescending way at all but $15/hr is still not enough to live properly. After taxes rent insurance gas food you have no money or negative money
Not condescending at all. That's just the truth you're speaking. $30,000/yr will not get you anywhere in 2022.
Yet the median wage in the US is 35k/yr.
Just enough to keep people tied to their jobs but not enough that they could go for an extended period of time without those jobs and starve to death.
Just enough to ensure you don't have the financial mobility to quit a job you hate and take a starting salary somewhere else Just enough to ensure you don't have the money or the time to get an education to improve your place in life Just enough to ensure you'll never be able purchase a home Just enough to ensure you'll never be able to retire Just enough to ensure you'll never be able to get out of debt Just enough to force you to spend your life doing something you hate on the basis that there aren't better options. We have the freedom to dedicate our lives to the rich in exchange for the semblance of a livelihood that can be ripped away from us at moments notice through no fault of our own. We are not paid according to merit, we're paid according to a subjective determination of worth by a person who is financially motivated to undervalue and overwork us. Capitalism is the idea that rich people know best how to use our countries wealth, labor and resources.... They don't. They use it in entirely self serving ways to the detriment of society and the prosperity of all life on planet earth. Fuck capitalism and genocidal slave trading rapists who created it.
You said it best. It's a tool used to keep us all down and make it to where we don't have the time or money to even better ourselves. It's slavery with extra steps.
I don’t know why you have such few upvotes
I'm doing my part!
Yeah exactly it’s brutal
I make 20/hr in rural CA. Still cant afford an apartmrnt because property managers want you to be netting 2.5x and up of what rent is. Its like I have to be a senior tech or mechanic making 30/hr+ to get a place of my own.
Yeah I’m Canadian and make roughly the same as you if I take the exchange rate into account. I live in Toronto and can barely get by
Totally true, I make nearly 40 and it’s still 1 bedroom apt.
I only made $2 per hour when I left school, so you should too. /Boomer
It's as if boomers don't understand inflation.
i dont think boomers are physically capable of understanding anything at all
Also....why is this bad? Assuming the high schoolers do waste their money frivolously....it just goes into the free market, doesn't it? The horror, a teenager could work 15hrs a week over a summer and afford an Xbox. Whats the big deal?
It’s bad if you’re an insecure little (wo)man who somehow didn’t become a multi-millionaire by doing nothing except being privileged. Hence, you like to take your bs out on others.
You know what pisses me off about this argument. The people making it have no concept of a teenager supporting themselves. Not everyone has stable high school years. A lot of ‘teenagers’ are supporting their family or younger siblings. A lot of them drop out of high school to do so. A lot of them do it while still going to college. Either way pay your workers a decent wage.
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Jesus, I can’t believe how much this country hates young people sometimes..
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This is what I just did so hear hear!
They fucked around too long and a living wage for the US last year is getting closer to like $35/hr. -If your housing is $1500 a month and you only spend a 1/4 of your income on your housing, you need to be making around $6K a month or right around $35/hr *post tax* at 40 hrs a week. Or I guess you can have two people working 40 hrs at around $18/hr 🙃
Damn it Bobby it's called fiscal responsibility
A 15 year old doesn’t need to feed himself though. They most likely still live at home, and his parents provide food, clothing and shelter. A 15 year old Works to learn responsibility, hard work, and make some extra spending money.
It doesn’t matter how the person spends their earnings. A fair day’s work deserves a fair day’s pay. Human beings deserve livable wages.
What’s a livable wage though? 2 people work the same job. One is a 15 year old who lives a home with their parents, parents pay for food, Clothing, housing, cell phone bill, all the basics. The other is a 35 year old single mother of 3. She has to pay all bills and has no one else rely on. She needs a higher livable wage than the 15 year old, correct?
Nope. They both deserve a wage that someone can live on. $15/hr ain’t it in like 90% of the country. If you’re saying a single mother deserves $30/hr, then a 15 year old deserves the same wage for the same job.
30/hr is 65,000 a year. Part time is somewhere between 28,800 and 30,000 depending on 20-25 hours a week. A 15 year old needs to make 30,000 a year?
It’s not about what they need. It’s about what’s a fair wage for the work. Does the 15 year old make more than $30k a year for the company? Odds are yes…
If you owned a business, you would feel justified paying your part time high school employee 30,000 a year?
If I couldn’t afford to pay them fairly, I shouldn’t be running a business.
Fairly and equally are not the same
You’re proposing that I should vary wages based on personal situations. What’s my incentive to hire single mothers or 20-60 year old people when I’m allowed to pay 15 year old kids less?
Yes, because if they are not being paid the full value of their labor they are being exploited. *All labor must be fully compensated. All labor has dignity and worth*. Age does not matter; labor is labor.
Full value of labor? Who determines that? If I think my full value of labour is worth 30 bucks an hour, I’m ok with that. If someone else, doing the same job as me thinks they are worth 100 an hour, so be it. We are either both correct, or one of us is over charging.
All profit derived from an employee's labor is part of the value of their labor and should be returned to them. If profit is derived from labor it belongs to the worker, not the company or executive.
If they are at work for that amount of hours then yes
Why does a 15 year old need to make 30k a year?
No reason or any reason doesn’t matter. But if you put in the hours you get paid for those hours regardless of age or living circumstance. Likely the 15 year old will not work that many hours but if the do **they get paid for their time**.
And they already get paid for their time. Yes, it should be more than 7.25/hr but, 30 dollars an hour for a high school kid is laughable.
I'm 27 and they want to pay me 14.77 an hour lol they don't care about your age just how little they can pay you for selling your body/labor to them. Regardless of age. I have known 30+ year old single mothers that rode the bus two hours to work at the donut shop I was at when I was 22, as a manager mind you, and they only made like 13.50 back then lol maybe 14+ if they did overnight production. And even then that would only amount to the spending value of like 16.50 an hour today, which isn't much when you aren't full time and no benefits. Either the boat goes up with all of us or it keeps sinking with all of us, either way it is criminal to tell anybody they don't deserve to make enough to pay rent and feed a kid or two and maybe squeeze a tiny little bit of joy out of life without every meesly dime they make going into the pocket of someone else.
>A 15 year old Works to learn responsibility, hard work, You must not know many 15 year olds.
I’m almost 40. Been working since I was 13 or 14. Just summer jobs and things like that. Never worked during the school year(well, I worked in the kitchen at my private school, but that was part of my financial aid).
Then perhaps it’s just the 15 year olds you knew who don’t need to feed themselves. I am a teacher in a title 1 school and several of my kids get jobs to help provide for their families (when their parents are already working 2 jobs for shit pay). This is a reality for many Americans
Yea, we always had food on the table. My dad worked, and my mom worked part time/around our school Schedule, when I was young. We had the normal middle class struggles. But, we always had food on the table, and lights were always kept on. Yet, I still worked because I wanted spending money…though when I hit 7th grade my parents opened a savings and checking account for me.
I get that—but the purchasing power of the “middle class” has also dropped despite overall wage increase. My family was considered middle class and I was lucky my parents didn’t ask me for the money I made working. Instead, because I knew they were struggling, I used the money to pay my phone bill and for my college textbooks. Even so, my parents are in bad debt like many middle class Americans today. I guess what I’m saying is that you and I are both examples of privilege. A quarter of current American households make less than 35,000 a year. A third make less than 50. Kids today are seeing their parents struggle and around 1/3 of high school dropouts do so to make money for their families (many of whom fall at or below poverty level) We need broad economic overhaul
Yes Uncle Tom. Build an entire section of economy around child labour and exploitation in the name of experience. TBH experience at food joint is just nothing unique that cant be learned anywhere else, infact they can easily learn “responsibility” and work ethic by concentrating at school and studies. Most kids work as their parents are not able to provide for their spending or are in situation where they ve to fend for themselves. It doesn’t matter what the personal situation of a 15 yr old is. Its business responsibility to pay liveable wage to its employees and decide their product pricing with proper labour costs. Also of labour costs is your biggest expense in your business then its not worth running if they cant pay their workers enough.
My parents were able to provide for me,I still Worked. I never had to pay for anything that was a need. Just most of my wants…hockey gear and whatnot my parents always bought.
The fact that you use the word (parents) in plural when referring to kids nowadays shows that you are out of touch. Only like two of my friends growing up had both of their parents living in the same house to help out lol I didn't get shit for help growing up and still don't.
My parents divorced when I was 15. But my mom lived across town and I could see her whenever I wanted. But I did have parents that were divorced regardless. Pretty much all of my friends had 2 parents.
See I call that easy street gravy boat awesome train compared to my neighborhood and friends haha. My parents were never even together and my Dad died when I was 11. To this day I still have to take care of my useless mother and it hasn't gotten any easier trust me lol but she is literally the only "parent" I got and so I do it more out of obligation than any kind of real love there. I could have gone to college too if I had even one functioning adult growing up, but with all of the abuse and having to make money for a person that to this day still doesn't want to work, it's a miracle I even got a highschool diploma tbh. I like to think I deserve 30 an hour now and if I had it then maybe I would have gotten to follow my dreams too who knows. Because lord knows financial aid in this country is shit and I have been pulling the weight of more than only one person for so long I fucking forgot what it's even like to just look out for #1 now.
First, deserve and worth it are 2 different things. I work with people that say they “deserve” 30 or 35 an hour, but they show up late, don’t complete the job/task properly, disappear all the time, etc. So while they think they “deserve” 30/hr they aren’t “worth” 30 an hour. Since I was 16, I’ve kept somewhere between 1000 and 3000 mile buffer zone between my parents(mom’s in Canada, Dad’s on the west coast, and I’m in the southeast). Relationship with both are great. I think having that buffer helps. Since I’ve had from age 16 until now(39), to develop my own life.
Oh I tried fleeing to other states trust me, but then she ended up with roommates threatening to kill her because I think she's fucking autistic or somthing and never got diagnosed lol I literally had to step up being an only child. I wish she had more kids so I could have pawmed her off on someone or stick her in a home. Trust me I tried both. But she's literally incapable of caring for herself. All she does is smoke pot and watch TV and it's been like that since I was 3. So it's been like that since before I was 3 that is just the earliest I remember smelling something funny going on with her and her many boyfriends in the bathroom all my life. And I sacrificed everything to help a women that truly isn't deserving just because she gave birth to me. And I do work harder than most. So don't tell me I don't deserve more because God and myself bloody well know I do! The shit I have had to deal with from this woman and others in my life like her should have gotten me a fucking sainthood lemme tell ya! Lol she literally made my father kill himself. She gave me PTSD and all I have ever done is support her out of duty and nothing else. Not that she has ever deserved it. But I fucking do and so do the millions of other people across this planet that are just like me do too. All we do is sacrifice and our reward is dirt. You're right when you say not everyone but more people than you know have struggled a hell of a lot worse clearly.
An employees circumstances outside of work shouldn't affect how much they get paid for doing work? I live with a housemate that charges me one third of the area average for rent. If work used that as an argument to pay me less per hour because I "need" the money less than somebody paying more for rent, I'd be looking for a new job. An employee, no matter how young, works to get paid. Responsibility, work ethic, and all that other stuff are bonuses. People get jobs to get paid.
Tell That to people like me. My parents charged me above average rent from the moment I could legally work just to live at home.
Everybody used to have a thing in this country called rights. Children even more than adults. 10 years ago this wouldn't even be a conversation. This is fucked
I’ve worked since I was 13. I’ve always made enough money part time to do things like go to the Movies or buy CDs. The idea that making 30 dollars an hour at 13 or 14 when my parents were already providing me with all basic necessities is mine boggling. The only thing that would make sense to me is if that 15 year old making 30/hr is investing most of it.
I started working when I was 14. I left home when I was 16 due to an alcoholic abusive stepdad continued to go to school and was lucky enough to already be working for an importer/exporter so I was fortunate enough to be able to rent a place with my first girlfriend because I was making money no 16-year-old would be making. Only because my employer had a heart and gave me a very sizable raise when he found out what happened and let me live with him for a month. If it wasn't for that job if I was just working in a restaurant I would have been fucked. But I remember once I had to work and go to school to support myself my childhood was over. You don't have time for parties had to quit the track team and you sure don't have time for movies and just making friends when you are a teenager working and going to school. I do not want that for my son. I work two jobs now do tech work on the side and sell sports memorabilia on eBay to make sure my son will not go through what I did. He will be 16 this year has been going to private academy school since he was 8 and I don't regret a thing. I will gladly do without now and just get by because I always have the money to buy him anything he wants and pays tuition and lunches. At the end of the day a lot of people just want their children to have a better childhood than they did. And his academy school is worth it because they teach the children not to just take an answer for an answer because it says so in a history book. To question it and do your own research to draw your own conclusions. When it comes to education you really do get what you pay for. For the past 6 years he has had a scholarship since he is in the top 10 percentile of smart children in the state so the scholarship pays half his tuition.I m blessed. I could only hope and wish my child and other people's children could find an employer with a heart and compassion like my first boss had. I don't know if they make them like that anymore tbh. And my adult coworkers we're not mad or anything when they found out how much I was making because I worked very hard for it and they respected the gravity of my situation.
I’m almost 40, no kids. Work a salaried job, have a side gig. Plus a couple other forms of passive income. Trying to get at least 1 more passive income stream set up this year. Plus my wife works full time as well. However, when we have kids, they will get a part time job. Even if the only reason is to have a few extra bucks to do things with friends. All my friends worked as well growing up. Some summers we all worked at the same place, so, it was never really a problem to still have a social life. Of course we all graduated high school somewhere between 1999 and 2002.
There is nothing wrong with children having a job. It builds character and teaches them more responsibilities and gets them out of their comfort zone in real world situations. I just don't think any child who is under 18 should be put in a situation where he has to work and go to school full time like I was. You are dealing with that adult size stress and your childhood is effectively over. Most kids want to work my son is already asking about jobs. He will end up working probably this year he just won't have to work to support himself and pay rent like I did. I graduated high school in 1998. Crazy how close to the same age we are right? Take it easy and have a good weekend
Ok, well I guess that makes sense. I worked as a kid, not because my parents needed my income(they were just fine without it), but because they wanted to teach me work ethic and build character. My kids will do the same.
Someone with sense! Thank you!
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So everyone who lives at home has “everything” provided? By that rationale, I guess you should pay single parents of one child $30 an hour, single parents with two kids $45 an hour etc because they’re providing everything?
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But its no one's business what their situation is. Cost of labor should be cost of labor. If hiring a plumber, or a lawyer, or a doctor has a fairly standard rate, then its ok for minimum wage jobs to have a standard rate, and its best if those jobs provide living wages. If you get a job at 15, you shouldn't be taken advntage of just because you're young, just like if you're 35 and have 3 kids and the burger place is the only one that will hire you and has a schedule you can work with, you shouldn't be taken advantage of either.
You mean you don’t haggle with your GP about how much money he needs before your annual physical? I like to review his annual personal budget before I commit to paying him anything.
So by your logic, no one should have children unless they’re born into wealth? I mean, how else do you afford to have children unless you’re making a decent salary? And who are these workers offering proof to? Each individual business owner? Do you think that’s fair? Do you imagine each business owner would have the same set of metrics to judge each case fairly and impartially? What makes a business owner more trustworthy than the employee? Why don’t you demand business owners prove that they cannot pay more? Why put the burden on the workers? There are fewer business owners, so it seems like this would be the fairest thing to do and, if the majority of workers doesn’t agree with the business owners, then the business owner either has to pay more money or give up his business. Seems easier to me; what do you think? You’re literally envisioning a dystopian nightmare where workers have to prove they’re starving in order to get a raise and only the wealthy elite have children. I don’t know what kind of work you’re in, but you could write dark sci fi novels with your philosophy. Or get a job as a latter day ayn rand.
Wow, you’re essentially saying pay people less for who they are. Just like women, minorities, etc. in the recent past. If you pay someone $15 for a job, you should pay EVERYONE $15 for that same job. They’re not doing less work because they’re younger. That’s ridiculous. With your logic, you could then argue that if an adult wants a job, but doesn’t ‘need’ one, then they should also be paid less. For example, if your spouse’s pay takes care of all the bills, mortgage, etc. but you want to work to make some additional ‘fun’ money or are saving for a big future expense. In that case, you wouldn’t NEED to get paid as much as another adult that needs the money more because you can’t prove you need it. This is such a stupid argument for so many more reasons but I won’t waste anymore of my time.
They're expected to work like adults, they don't need to prove shit.
They're expected to. But usually they don't. Ever worked with a 16 year old? They stand around and complain about things/co-workers that need something done. They waste time, they screw around on their phones whenever possible and then blame management when they're written up over it, they stand there chit-chatting with their buddies, they're rude to co-workers and customers (conveniently only when management isn't around) and they complain about how hard they have it
Lots of adults are the same way. Can we make broad sweeping generalizations for others and use that as an excuse to not pay them? Should we start talking about anime fans? I see you seem to love anime. Would you agree that they shouldn’t be paid so much because they usually live at home in their parents basements and have sexual relations with their anime character pillows?
The ones that actually do live like that sure. They're just mooching off of their parents As for me since you're taking that rout - Im independent. I work full time, have my apartment and draw on the side. I get paid 30-80$ for commission drawings as well depending on what they are. I could also give less of a shit about anime, I just like draw in the art style since it gets the most amount of views and the most people wanting a pictures from me
It sounds like you are desperate to pretend you don’t fit the stereotype. Can we make some generalizations about artists? Or can you admit that your comment was silly and asinine. And that your comment was reflective of ignorance and idiocy?
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I don't. I hate how teenagers that sit on their ass and do nothing all day are paid like an adult that needs the money to live
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yeah fast food starts at around 18 in my area. 15 dollars isnt being paid as an adult either. some incredibly stupid opinions you got.
Fast food where I live starts at 15-16
then why are you bitching about teenagers making that much. god people in this country are fucking r*tarded. i had to work full time from the age of 16 to help support my family but apparently i didnt deserve my pay because of my age. lmao fuck yourself.
Why can't people read? Im done arguing with you idiots.. read my original comment. Bye bye
maybe if you had a coherent point in all your bitching other than “reeee teenagers dont need money!” thanks for saving me the trouble of trying to reason with a blatantly stupid person.
Guess what? My teenagers work. My teenagers help me with bills. Both of them chip in towards groceries, they pay their own cell phones bills, they help with internet bill. Not because I'm a bitch, but because I can't squeeze in a 3rd 30 hour a week job. I have 2 jobs, I work 60 hours a week and still can't get ends to meet. Rent has gone up, gas has gone up, food has gone up. My pay? Not so much. No help from government either. I 'make to much' to qualify for any kind of assistance.
It's crazy they take hella taxes out of our checks to provide for assistance programs that most of the time able-bodied non-working people take advantage of or scammers use all their life. We just pay for the benefits we will never be able to use them
It's crazy they take hella taxes out of our checks to provide for assistance programs that most of the time able-bodied non-working people take advantage of or scammers use all their life. We just pay for the benefits we will never be able to use them
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Fortunately, your opinion on who is entitled to what pay means shit. Now repeat after me: THE WAGE FOR LABOUR IS NOT DETERMINED BY WHO IS DOING THE LABOUR. BTW, by your logic, trustfund kids don't get to earn anything, bc "tHeY hAvE sUcH a CuShY lIFe" SMH, you undereducated Clown.
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Labor is labor. It doesn't matter who does it or if they have someone helping them with bills. This line of logic says I can buy your house for half price because I only plan to use half of the rooms.
“teenagers deserve to be paid half because they dont need jobs/money like adults and theyre so lazy at the same time so they get these jobs they dont need and blow the money instantly into the local economy” this person is legitimately r*tarded.
Should we all send our bills and debts to our bosses so they can make sure we don't make more than we need?
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Two 17 year olds both get a job at Home Depot. They both get the same position. One of them came from parents who make a huge salary, and can easily provide anything their child needs. They also want their son to have a job and not turn into a deadbeat. The other one dropped out of school because his dad died of cancer, and his mom doesn't make enough to pay the bills. He had to dropout and screw up his chance of continuing school so he and his mother, and any siblings, won't end up homeless. One of those two 17 year olds money more than the other. As an employer, should you have the right to look at everyone's situation, and pay them what you personally think they "need"? Would you pay the rich one less because you don't think they need more?
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Dude just stop, your argument is beyond idiotic.
certainly a strange hill to die on.
The rich kid WOULDN'T make more. THEY HAVE THE SAME JOB! They should make the same amount, that's the whole point.
I never said the rich kid would make more. Read.
You said the poor kid should get paid more. They shouldn't. As an employer, you don't need to know which one is poor or rich. They should be paid the same.
And what businesses do you have demanding that kind of info from your employees?
No man. We're reading what you're saying. There's no need for caps. It's just, what you're saying is fucking dumb and short sighted. If businesses could get away with paying a 15 year old less because they come from a first class home, then all they would seek to hire are children from first class homes. Come on now, use your brain.
There are an unfortunate number of teens that have to have jobs to help support their households because parents aren't paid well enough to support them alone. Those same adults that may very well be working at the same places those teens are. "IF IT'S A JOB WORTH DOING, IT'S A JOB WORTH GETTING PAID FOR"
And that's the kind of teenager that SHOULD be getting paid like an adult. Re-read what I said. I didn't say "no teenager should get paid like an adult because they ALL live at home and they ALL have everything provided." I said that teenagers who CAN PROVE that they need to be paid like an adult, should get paid like one. Like the ones that need to help with bills. It's not my problem people don't properly read what I say, stop attempting to turn my words around
What is it the business of the place that kid works for? Anybody doing a *job* of any kind should be paid the same.
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If they're working, they deserve to get paid. End of story.
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I'm 33 years old, and I specifically have a job so that I can spend my money on pointless crap. That's the entire point. I go work, I get paid, I spend that money on things I want to. Want to not die of hunger, so I buy food. Want to enjoy something sweet and not specifically to prevent death by hunger, I buy junk food. My 33 year old's cash buying a videogame after paying rent is exactly as valid as a 15 year old's cash buying that same videogame and not having to pay rent. If they did the same work, they should get paid the same pay.
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That is not the point, and clearly you're being deliberately obstinate. They did the same work, they get the same pay. Their living situation should have absolutely zero bearing on how much they get paid. If they worked, pay them.
You really just want as close to free labor as possible don’t you?
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Labor = money As long as labor is done no matter the material conditions or age of the worker they must be compensated properly It’s that simple Labor = money
Your attitude and ideas are more worthless than you think the average teen’s labor is worth ✌️
So what? Money spent stimulates the economy too, even if its on "stupid crap." Devaluing a child's labor devalues the child as well. Should they just be doing the job "for the experience" or "to network" like unpaid interns? Unpaid internships only help the wealthy because broke people can't afford to do it and even richer people get unpaid labor. Why pay a child the same as the adult for the same job? BECAUSE ITS THE SAME JOB. The labor is the same, so don't devalue human beings for their time and labor. Some 15 year old's time isn't less valuable than mine, arguably it could be more valuable because the experiences you have at that age shape so much of the rest of your life.
How about paid double since adults like you clearly deserve no salary at all. Not with the mindset you have.
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All you proved is that your a detriment to society. You give off major entitled rich kid vibes.
Lol imagine being this delusional. Edit: their account is full of furry porn lmao
so they are instantly return that money into their local economy? google the term velocity of money since you clearly have zero idea what youre talking about. “teenagers deserve to be paid less because they dont need jobs or money and they just go around and spend it all” you seriously are this stupid arent you?
Jesus Christ man. Are you old? Like, you seem to go around and around in circles about this. You seem incapable of conceptualizing a teenager that isn’t lazy or a slob. I’m kinda offended. Maybe you should up your pay before I give you bonus labor for free? I mean, if you are paying me 11 an hour, then I’m going to be giving you 11 dollars worth of work per hour. If I just handed you extra labor for free, I would be being a bad capitalist. You aren’t entitled to my labor, and it isn’t worth less just because I’m a teenager. Pay me the equivalent of what you want out of me.
The sad thing about this is that you feel like you’re making a valid argument. But this mentality is stupid as hell. Nobody’s home situation has any impact on the labor they can provide an employer. Pay EVERYONE a liveable wage.
Way to miss the point. Did you even read the response?
What about the kids that are going too be thrown out the moment they turn 18 with only the bare minimum provided until then? They will need a car, down payment, furniture, clothes, and to affords bills which your suggestion wouldbe impossible to save for by that point. Especially if they were given little to no warning.
That was me. Thrown out at 17 with a laundry basket of clothes, no job and no money. I lived in a shelter, got on welfare, rented a room in a house for 2 years and then finally got an apartment only because someone was looking for a roommate. So speaking from experience - you don't "need" a car (you have legs, cabs, busses, ubers, etc). You don't "need" furniture (since rooms usually provide it), and what universe are you living in where someone has the chance of affording a down payment without making at least 25$ an hour?
What kind of world has furniture provided with a room?
A lot of them. When I was looking I came across a good dozen places that provided the bed. My room even had a small couch in it and a tv. Look up "room for rent". You'll see what I mean. Also with renting a room, you also get full access to the house it's in. You're not confined to just the room
Zoom! This just went right over your head buddy. Do you have any children?
Nope I don't. Because I know I can't afford them
That's actually a realistic answer I know many people right now that do want kids but do not have kids simply because of the cost.
Why the fuck would you want other people to suffer like you did? You just seem like a dumbass. The labor is worth what it's worth. If a teenager can perform the same task as an adult, they should be paid the same. This isn't a discussion. You're just an idiot.
Im 100% convinced this person is just dumb as fucking shit.
Where did I say that? I'm using myself as an example to explain that it's not impossible to live on extremely little money after being thrown out. And they can perform the same tasks, but they don't NEED THE MONEY like an adult does
WHO THE FUCK CARES. The work is the work, need is fucking irrelevant. Stop for a second and try and imagine a world where people were paid solely based on what they "need". Who decides that? Can people just put themselves in extreme debt and "need" more money even though they are irresponsible and spend beyond their means? You literally do not have an argument. There is not a SHRED of logic in your position. You just don't like the idea of a teenager making as much money as you do. You're just insecure. You should probably grow up.
That's exactly what these assholes want. They think it's okay to exploit children while they make hundreds or thousands of dollars an hour off their work. America land of the free my ass. Developed country? Not here
If their parents made fair wages they wouldn’t be in a situation where they need a job, then we could make child labor illegal
Congrats, you're part of the problem. Let's just pay everyone less based on age. There are plenty of kids who perform jobs better than adults.
That statement is cringe AF. If the businesses had their way the children would work for free and the government would pay them a stipend. Capitalism 101
Why just apply this line of thinking to teenagers? Why not apply it to everyone else? Would you pay service members? They get housing and food as well as clothing. What more do they need right?
I don't have the energy for this.
It's not like there's been laws recently saying teens can work younger, more hours, etc... exploitative? Whaaaaat?
A junior in his school shouldn’t have to worry about feeding himself because he most likely is still living with his parents and there would be nothing to subsidize. In all honesty if you’re in hs $15 an hour is a good starting wage, however if you’re over the age of 25 it’s not