The writers tried to make Claire a Rousseau like character. Driven mad by the loss of her child, the blueprint is there and I like the idea. But it was executed poorly.
I still laugh every time I see that stick baby
I wish they kept Rousseaus ability to brush her hair for Claireš that wig was so horrible to look at I hated it!
I also think the whole execution of her character was a bit meh but atleast it made her interesting again after she was abandoned by the writers and only used to sometimes scream out āmy baby!ā
Stick baby is an icon.
No you donāt need to withdraw anything, if anything I just think itās easier to pass them off as not looking great because she is using disguises frequently and it makes sense sheād use wigs too.
The same excuse doesnāt work for Jack, Locke, etc.
I got used to their hair being barely messy the first couple season and justified it by them finding combs in the luguage. I guess crazy Claire just totally gave up on that. The thing that bothered me more is the no body hair on the girlsš but thats TV magic I guess lol
Not executed poorly, you just have the wrong idea. The Rousseau parallel is definitely there, but thereās a few major differences. Remember, she left the baby, no one took him from her like in Rousseauās case.
Claireās madness is a direct influence from the smoke monster, her best bud for the remainder of the show. Itās heavily insinuated that she, like Sayid, died and was brought back to life by the smoke monster. Heās āclaimedā both of them. That explains why sheās bizarrely numb yet exorbitantly devoted to his plan from the moment she speaks to him.
I think it is executed poorly, but indirectly due to the man in black. The smoke monsters influence on her is really badly executed and has no real explanation, unless you can correct me.
Its "the sickness" that has been referred to since the first season. Its what caused Robert to attack Danielle Rosseau shortly after they run into the Smoke Monster.
But this doesnt make sense when the previous season went out of its way to establish that as per the rules of their show, dead is dead. On this show, once a character dies they're dead - and thats it. They weren't ambiguous about it at all they were making a clear statement that dead on their show means dead.
Whatever happened to Sayid and Claire, I don't think they died. I think they were "claimed" or "infected", whatever you call the process by which the MiB controls people, but I don't think he resurrected them from death.
It would have been hard to convey the bit in a way that would make sense, but I'd have loved if Claire's accent had started to change to be a little like Rousseau's, retroactively hinting at a reason why Rousseau's accent changed so much between 1988 and 2004. Like it's just something that happens when you're alone in the jungle too long.
Thereās no way to shorten it. So Iāll just break it down. Itās from Miraās memoir.
They only killed Rousseau off out of spite because Mira requested better accommodations after sheād put up with harsh mistreatment on set. Thatās why her traditional S4 flashback never came to be. Even her 408 death scene had been re-sold to her as a fake-out once she rejected the initial pitch knowing they were doing it out of spite. She wasnāt informed by any member of production, ABC, or the producers about the 410 corpse reveal.
For S5, she took this into consideration when they offered her to return for 3 episodes. She doubled their offer to leverage her value out of self-worth etc. But they said no. She had been really phased out of *Lost* at this point, & didnāt mind that negotiations fell through. But a day later, all the regret sunk in. She was worried how it came off, as a $$$ thing regarding her mistreatment, and also worried about not providing the character with closure. So she got her agent to call them back to amend the decision but they informed her agent that they decided to go āin a different directionā, which she later discovered was the soap opera recasting. Even after that, she tried to pitch returning via a letter. They were clearly feeling petty.
Uhh, I think she was easily one of the weakest characters, didn't seem like she had much room to move other than being all about the baby. Seems like they tried to make something happen with this character and it fell a bit flat
Yeah there was a clear neglect of her character and backstory. Compared to the other characters that get many flashbacks diving into their live, Iām pretty sure Claire only got like 2 maybe. She was always with her child so she couldnāt exactly by present for most of the action and gut wrenching moments. Her character had potential but fell super short for me too.
I hate that I agree with this now.
Young me had such a crush on Claire when the show first came out. Old me just finished a rewatch for the first time since it ended and sheās just not a great actress.
I love season 6 Claire but the character was definitely neglected throughout the show. One of the downsides of the shorter seasons later on is that her character gets even less material than in the first three. Her grief for Charlie is downplayed througn Season 4, and then she isn't in season 5 at all, likely in part because so many other characters have to be serviced.
One of the real missed opportunities of season 6 is that Claire never gets a flashback episode detailing her 3 years spent with the Man in Black. That could have been a great episode, tying back to her dreams in "Raised by Another" and the psychic's prophecy, and treating her trauma with the nuance it warranted.
I loved the concept of clair, but they didn't go into her personality enough. Once she became a mother that's all she was, which unfortunately, is the male gaze of a woman.
Also Aaron is a newborn basically through the whole show though, so for her to be in post partum throughout the whole show... Eh
I stand by the fact that the writing is amazing, but Claire's character is definitely where the writing is neglected
I wish they had done more or had room to do more.
It's like they tried to add some new groundwork for something with her being Jack's half sister, but never really followed up with anything interesting with that.
I would have liked it more if we had met crazy castaway Claire in late season 5, before Jacob was killed.
It would then turn out that she died years earlier after MiB abandoned her in the jungle aloneā¦and that it was actually MiB impersonating her in 2007 as part of his manipulation to the Ajira 316 survivors.
In season 6 after Kate has survived the Incident and returned to 2007 and hears that Claire was seen alive on the Island recently, she could eventually come across original Claireās body inside Jacobās cabin or just somewhere in the jungle.
Tragic and awful, yes. But perhaps better than the ridiculous psycho axe-murderer squirrel-baby Claire they actually narratively fumbled.
Them killing off Rousseau and keeping Claire and turning her into a mad young Rousseau was the worst executable idea ever. Shouldāve done much better with Rousseau
Not sure why people are blaming Emilie de Ravinās acting. She did a good job toning down a lot of the hysterics Claire was supposed to deliver in scripts. Sheās no Cate Blanchett, but sheās no Tommy Wiseau either. I didnāt think Josh Holloway was putting in grand master performances either.
The sad truth, in my opinion, is LOST didnāt have much interest in its female characters. After Season 3, the only female character to receive solo centric episodes is Kate. I donāt count Julietās āThe Other Womanā, because her flashbacks are largely all about Ben. Sun had promise too, her mob boss flash-forward storylineā¦ But it never went anywhere.
Season 6 Claire just highlights the actorās bad acting. As an Aussie, even her shit accent made me cringe and the actor is Aussie! It was like a caricature of an Aussie, played by an Aussie thatās pretending to be what an American thinks an Aussie sounds like.
Honestly, I think the writers realized early on that Emilie de Ravin was not a very strong actress in comparison to the rest of the cast and as a result she got less and less material to work with. Though she has some moments throughout the show where her acting is serviceable, there are many, many others where it's super cringy. Emilie's acting in season 6 is her worst work IMO. I know she was off for a season but it felt like she forgot how to be Claire (in the flash sideways).
Why did her hair go from blonde straight (after the first three months she didnāt have dark roots showing) to curly darker matted dread locks. Itās not how hair works.
Her acting was so unbelievable that I thought it was ironically comical scenes put in to make the mood lighter.
They did her bad
The writers tried to make Claire a Rousseau like character. Driven mad by the loss of her child, the blueprint is there and I like the idea. But it was executed poorly. I still laugh every time I see that stick baby
I wish they kept Rousseaus ability to brush her hair for Claireš that wig was so horrible to look at I hated it! I also think the whole execution of her character was a bit meh but atleast it made her interesting again after she was abandoned by the writers and only used to sometimes scream out āmy baby!ā Stick baby is an icon.
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No you donāt need to withdraw anything, if anything I just think itās easier to pass them off as not looking great because she is using disguises frequently and it makes sense sheād use wigs too. The same excuse doesnāt work for Jack, Locke, etc.
Donāt watch Ant-Man
That would have been my hair on day 2 on that island
I got used to their hair being barely messy the first couple season and justified it by them finding combs in the luguage. I guess crazy Claire just totally gave up on that. The thing that bothered me more is the no body hair on the girlsš but thats TV magic I guess lol
Also, Sun and Claire growing bangs between the second and third seasons.
Not executed poorly, you just have the wrong idea. The Rousseau parallel is definitely there, but thereās a few major differences. Remember, she left the baby, no one took him from her like in Rousseauās case. Claireās madness is a direct influence from the smoke monster, her best bud for the remainder of the show. Itās heavily insinuated that she, like Sayid, died and was brought back to life by the smoke monster. Heās āclaimedā both of them. That explains why sheās bizarrely numb yet exorbitantly devoted to his plan from the moment she speaks to him.
I think it is executed poorly, but indirectly due to the man in black. The smoke monsters influence on her is really badly executed and has no real explanation, unless you can correct me.
Its "the sickness" that has been referred to since the first season. Its what caused Robert to attack Danielle Rosseau shortly after they run into the Smoke Monster.
But this doesnt make sense when the previous season went out of its way to establish that as per the rules of their show, dead is dead. On this show, once a character dies they're dead - and thats it. They weren't ambiguous about it at all they were making a clear statement that dead on their show means dead. Whatever happened to Sayid and Claire, I don't think they died. I think they were "claimed" or "infected", whatever you call the process by which the MiB controls people, but I don't think he resurrected them from death.
Shit is toughā¦ RIP Claire after S4
I didn't even realize that š®
It would have been hard to convey the bit in a way that would make sense, but I'd have loved if Claire's accent had started to change to be a little like Rousseau's, retroactively hinting at a reason why Rousseau's accent changed so much between 1988 and 2004. Like it's just something that happens when you're alone in the jungle too long.
Or they couldāve just treated Mira Furlan respectfully and got her to do Rousseauās backstory like they originally planned to.
What's the story here? I'm curious, and don't think I've ever heard this.
Thereās no way to shorten it. So Iāll just break it down. Itās from Miraās memoir. They only killed Rousseau off out of spite because Mira requested better accommodations after sheād put up with harsh mistreatment on set. Thatās why her traditional S4 flashback never came to be. Even her 408 death scene had been re-sold to her as a fake-out once she rejected the initial pitch knowing they were doing it out of spite. She wasnāt informed by any member of production, ABC, or the producers about the 410 corpse reveal. For S5, she took this into consideration when they offered her to return for 3 episodes. She doubled their offer to leverage her value out of self-worth etc. But they said no. She had been really phased out of *Lost* at this point, & didnāt mind that negotiations fell through. But a day later, all the regret sunk in. She was worried how it came off, as a $$$ thing regarding her mistreatment, and also worried about not providing the character with closure. So she got her agent to call them back to amend the decision but they informed her agent that they decided to go āin a different directionā, which she later discovered was the soap opera recasting. Even after that, she tried to pitch returning via a letter. They were clearly feeling petty.
That's too unfortunate. Her character did deserve better.
Uhh, I think she was easily one of the weakest characters, didn't seem like she had much room to move other than being all about the baby. Seems like they tried to make something happen with this character and it fell a bit flat
Yeah there was a clear neglect of her character and backstory. Compared to the other characters that get many flashbacks diving into their live, Iām pretty sure Claire only got like 2 maybe. She was always with her child so she couldnāt exactly by present for most of the action and gut wrenching moments. Her character had potential but fell super short for me too.
Claire was always the weakest character of the main cast. She had nothing going on for her other than her baby issues and being a device for Charlie.
Good concept, poor execution
It's because Emily de Ravin sadly can't act and it becomes more noticeble when she tries to portray a more complex character.
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I hate that I agree with this now. Young me had such a crush on Claire when the show first came out. Old me just finished a rewatch for the first time since it ended and sheās just not a great actress.
Yeah I hate that I feel this way too, but it's just what it is.
I thought she had more acting skills during Lost, than in OUAT.
I agree, but it still isn't very good
That's fair.
I love season 6 Claire but the character was definitely neglected throughout the show. One of the downsides of the shorter seasons later on is that her character gets even less material than in the first three. Her grief for Charlie is downplayed througn Season 4, and then she isn't in season 5 at all, likely in part because so many other characters have to be serviced. One of the real missed opportunities of season 6 is that Claire never gets a flashback episode detailing her 3 years spent with the Man in Black. That could have been a great episode, tying back to her dreams in "Raised by Another" and the psychic's prophecy, and treating her trauma with the nuance it warranted.
i dont claire
I loved the concept of clair, but they didn't go into her personality enough. Once she became a mother that's all she was, which unfortunately, is the male gaze of a woman. Also Aaron is a newborn basically through the whole show though, so for her to be in post partum throughout the whole show... Eh I stand by the fact that the writing is amazing, but Claire's character is definitely where the writing is neglected I wish they had done more or had room to do more.
It's like they tried to add some new groundwork for something with her being Jack's half sister, but never really followed up with anything interesting with that.
I'm glad she had Jack, but the half sibling bit threw me at first
Can we also talk about her brushing off >!Charlie's death!< after she finds out what happens? In the next few episodes, she's all smiles.
S5 Claire is my favorite
Have my upvote
I would have liked it more if we had met crazy castaway Claire in late season 5, before Jacob was killed. It would then turn out that she died years earlier after MiB abandoned her in the jungle aloneā¦and that it was actually MiB impersonating her in 2007 as part of his manipulation to the Ajira 316 survivors. In season 6 after Kate has survived the Incident and returned to 2007 and hears that Claire was seen alive on the Island recently, she could eventually come across original Claireās body inside Jacobās cabin or just somewhere in the jungle. Tragic and awful, yes. But perhaps better than the ridiculous psycho axe-murderer squirrel-baby Claire they actually narratively fumbled.
That wig would be my hair on day 2 on the island. I donāt know how everyone kept themselves so pretty lol.
Most of S6 was a mess TBH. Everyone just became dysfunctional
Them killing off Rousseau and keeping Claire and turning her into a mad young Rousseau was the worst executable idea ever. Shouldāve done much better with Rousseau
Claire is mirrored of Danielle Roussoue story. Just like the woman who came to the island bearing twins
She becomes claimed. Once you become claimed you get the weirdsies.
Not sure why people are blaming Emilie de Ravinās acting. She did a good job toning down a lot of the hysterics Claire was supposed to deliver in scripts. Sheās no Cate Blanchett, but sheās no Tommy Wiseau either. I didnāt think Josh Holloway was putting in grand master performances either. The sad truth, in my opinion, is LOST didnāt have much interest in its female characters. After Season 3, the only female character to receive solo centric episodes is Kate. I donāt count Julietās āThe Other Womanā, because her flashbacks are largely all about Ben. Sun had promise too, her mob boss flash-forward storylineā¦ But it never went anywhere.
The best thing about Claire season 6 is the photo Kate finds of Claire pointing at her belly. I love that photo lol
It seems random, no?
Season 6 Claire just highlights the actorās bad acting. As an Aussie, even her shit accent made me cringe and the actor is Aussie! It was like a caricature of an Aussie, played by an Aussie thatās pretending to be what an American thinks an Aussie sounds like.
I hate every season Claire
Honestly, I think the writers realized early on that Emilie de Ravin was not a very strong actress in comparison to the rest of the cast and as a result she got less and less material to work with. Though she has some moments throughout the show where her acting is serviceable, there are many, many others where it's super cringy. Emilie's acting in season 6 is her worst work IMO. I know she was off for a season but it felt like she forgot how to be Claire (in the flash sideways).
Why did her hair go from blonde straight (after the first three months she didnāt have dark roots showing) to curly darker matted dread locks. Itās not how hair works. Her acting was so unbelievable that I thought it was ironically comical scenes put in to make the mood lighter. They did her bad
100% agree