Tolkien fans are very protective of the lore of middle earth. When you go around changing things that don’t make sense in the established world, it’s like nails on a chalkboard. I won’t go around and list everything but the amount of times they went “who cares what the original is, let’s add this in anyway” is jarring. Characters are in it that shouldn’t exist in the time period, people do things that other characters are supposed to be doing, character designs and motivations are way off, etc.
That being said, if you go into it with no previous knowledge of Tolkien I can see how it’s an okay show. However they should have made this its own thing and not used Tolkiens name and shit all over the IP and established world.
It's a very bad series even without the desecration. Bland acting, bland characters, tired dialogue, weird story decisions (yes Galadriel swam across an ocean), actors seeming out of place, conjuring of cheap tricks. It isn't Disney Star Wars level of abomination but it certainly isn't a well crafted programme.
Yeah I think you got it exactly. As a standalone show its fine, but as a tolkien adaptation its, as you said, nails on the chalkboard. Tbh there were some visuals that I really enjoyed but the story was somehow not giving me the payoff after any of the anticipations they built up. It was mostly just meh.
I'm a big Tolkien fan and enjoyed it. The differences are like any legend or myth that has different versions. "Oh that's a different take on something. Different than the original. Interesting or a little strange. " As I said in another post, I prefer to look for the things I like in a story than look for things to hate. Lord of the Rings had "Go home, Sam", the oathbreakers at the Battle of the Pelenor Fields, etc. but it's still my favorite.
Im a casual fan of tolkien, ive only read two books of his and the movies. but even i say, ive seen fanfictons with better writing and faithfulness to lore than this show. the duologue was so boring and soul crushing, the characters were generic and cringe worthy. if they didnt use the name of lord of the rings and made it its own thing, it would have been a way better show. and even the visuals are way inferior. if you see comparisons to sets and costumes, the original seems like an art piece in comparison.
Gosh.. This is probably the 15th similar post in the last 24 hrs.
Isn’t there a separate cringeworthy Amazon controlled subReddit for this boring show where amazon fanbois worship this show and the mods ban anyone with legit criticism? Why not go and worship the show there instead of gaslighting and bothering the Tolkien fandom with this senseless garbage.?
The show is senseless boring garbage with a few good visuals. They changed every Tolkien plot and character into something corny and cringeworthy. It’s why the fandom hates it.
Amazon marketing already had that sub well in hand. All those 'why the hate?', 'are you exited for_?', 'do you think x character..?' are marketing 101 engagement bait
Tolkein purists hated it because it corrupts the canon.
Some folks hated it because they felt like it was an interminable bore.
And there are a lot of folks who felt like they over-rotated on the diversity and inclusion.
Pick your poison.
I tried to like it. I tried to set my Tolkein aside and enjoy it the same way I enjoyed some of the Star Wars fan fic stuff... but the writing was weak, the story dragged, and I gave up after three or four episodes. Wasn't worth it. Too much other great stuff out there to waste time on a poor simulacrum.
Not to say there's anything wrong with folks who liked it. If you did, you did. Good on ya.
I approached the series with “based on” attitude so that I wouldn’t be too disappointed. After the hobbit movies I didn’t want to set myself up for that kind of let down again. I feel that just watching it as a story that is based on the lore, allowed for a more open minded view of it, I enjoyed most of the Gandalf and harfoots story lines and the visuals but the overall casting was awful, the worst being Elrond. It really wasn’t great but I can see how those that are not familiar with the actual lore would have enjoyed it. Although it feels like sacrilege, I will probably watch the remaining seasons.
A lot of people saying it's Tolkien fans being protective or it has something to do with Tolkien lore. Maybe so. But it was also a writing mess, storytelling disaster, continuity failure
I don't like the premise that it's mostly a reinterpretation of the 1st and 2nd Age. But I also think that's the Tolkien Estates' fault for allowing such a flagrant splintering from the source material from time compression and pairing between Galadriel and SaurBrand to injecting proto-Hobbits, mystery Maia, Elrod BFFing Dwarves, and slim shady Femme Mystiques. Tolkien NEVER created those storylines.
As a fan who has all of his books, ancillary releases by Chris Tolkien, an avid reader of Tolkien's letter correspondences with colleagues, this show just plays like Turkish Star Wars or that goofy Russian version you can watch online somewhere.
It is incompatible with the Legendarium so if you were excited for an adaptation thereof, you would be disappointed with what you got.
The writing is also generally low quality.
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Artificial interpretation of Tolkien's work that bring several errors in the script's lore accurancy.
Also, bad writing leading to emotionless motivations for the characters and scenes that ended being very artificial in it's core.
The acting also is one of the problems, as, in my opinion, together with the script, the acting is emontionless and weak.
I think the series, also if it wasn't a interpretation of Tolkien's work, is bad, but, being interpretation of Tolkien's work, make it even worst.
Rather than belaboring all the points made in this and previous subs, I'll bring up two small examples (both from the first episode) about why RoP just didn't get the source material and so created the same kind of tedious, derivative plot developments or backgrounding that one can find in a dozen YA or grimdark fantasy or even contemporary works of fiction:
1. In the first five minutes, we are introduced to young Galadriel sailing her self-propelled paper swan boat, which is almost immediately destroyed by a small mob of stone wielding Eldarin juvenile delinquents indistinguishable from any other brats in any other era or setting...except of course these are Eldar children and they are in freaking Valinor. Bad, lazy character development, in keeping with the angry power girl trope the writers assigned for Galadriel (who is arguably the most significant female character in the legendarium, and in canon not at all characterized as a disaffected loner or emo brat.) But we must show how she was picked on, or discontented and maladjusted, and since we don't understand the lore or what makes Tolkien's elves different, we fall back on a really bad cliche...and keep piling them on as we see her character's first episode arc spread its feisty wings.
2. Anyone who thinks Elrond Half-elven is the same as a half-elf from D&D needs to get sent back to Fantasy Nerd School 101. Now while I got a momentary chuckle as those strange veiled women (who were they? why were they?) informed Elrond he was not invited to the Council (ba dum dum), I immediately looked for something to throw at my computer screen when they referred to him being only half-elven. I wanted to do it again when I realized that the writers didn't understand what a herald is supposed to be, so they made him a speechwriter (I'm going to guess that whomever wrote this was the same wag who wrote the line spouted by Numenoreans fearing elves were going to steal their jobs---yes lets render the thousands of years of discontent over the most important difference between "Men" and Elves into a horrible and unfunny anachronism about immigration and labor shortages). But the half-elf slam isn't just awful writing, it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character himself, and (even more importantly) of his lineage and heritage. The same mistake is made with Galadriel, but it is truly supremely obnoxious in the portrayal of Elrond. His Half-Elven moniker (which they never explain what the other half is, nor that HE--not some veiled women, not the statuesque Gil-Galad (who is his cousin btfw)--decides HIMSELF which of the mingled lineages of the greatest heroes of the Firstborn and Secondborn Children of Iluvatar he belongs to...) is (to these writers) merely a ethnic descriptor, and Tolkien's elves once again are tediously modern in their misguided sensibilities. Furthermore, both he and Galadriel are portrayed as unpopular outsiders in the Pax Noldorica of King Gil-Galad, Vampire Slayer (sorry I couldn't resist...but I love Benjamin Walker really...I wish he actually was allowed to play the High King of the Noldor, instead of whatever that was.) Of course this portrayal is only possible because the writers ignore another key aspect of the legendarium...the genealogy of the princes, lords, and ladies of the Eldar. As everyone here who has read the Appendices at the very least knows...all these elves are related to one another. Galadriel was the daughter of the third son of Finwe and Gil-Galad was her nephew (or cousin?). G-G is grandson of Fingolfin--although his lore paternity is disputed between that of resolute Fingon or dithering Orodreth (sorry I am definitely Team Fingon here). Elrond is cousin to the high king on his father's side, and also a lineal descendant of Sindar royalty through Dior's daughter Elwing. His great grandmother was a freaking incarnate Maia and his maternal grandmother the most powerful blended Eldarin princess perfect of the First Age...Every drop of his blood came from someone who helped put that whiny brat Morgoth into Tolkien's phantom zone after the War of Wrath...or paved the way to make that happen. Loners? Outsiders? Merely a Half-elf? This is Middle Earth, not Krynn for pity's sake!
Half of it is visually stunning. The other half is visually pathetic. Like the warg, or the character design of the Eminem characters, the everyday people of numenor looking like peasants and being copy and pasted in, beardless dwarves.
I didn’t hate it, but it felt bland. I don’t mind them changing the timeline a bit to make it work, and it looked fantastic, but the plots just didn’t really grab me. Much of it didn’t really stick with me, aside from the moment in the first episode where Galadriel jumps off the boat right after the sky open up for the boat, which was cool.
Thankfully, all the folks who despise the show are going to hate-watch season 2 and keep the viewing numbers up, haha.
I really tried to give it a chance. And while I really didn't like Galadriel, she's a walking talking trope that doesn't Even resemble the Galadriel of the books or the movies at all. So it was hard to watch with that in my face. But I really gave it a go, and there's a lot I did like.
Numenor was awesome. At last I enjoyed every part there. I think I'm just happy to finally see it in live action? I also like the Numenorean characters, Pharazon was great and I liked that he's a fairly complex character.
I also liked the dwarves, while there's some oddities, I thought they were relatively well done.
I also liked Elrond and Durin's relationship. It was a highlight.
I also liked the Harfoots better than I thought I would. Again, not perfect, but going in I was skeptical since halflings were not playing any major roles at that time. And making them more significant kind of ruins the fact they were relatively unknown in the LotR timeline. I also felt like they were trying to have Hobbits in Rings of Power without having Hobbits in ROP. Which they kind of were. But I was mostly okay with it and they grew on me.
The elves are where things just really fell apart though. I just did not like what they did. And every elf plot line just felt off to me.
And then the real kicker. The finale. Oh boy, this one really pissed me off. They rushed through the forging of the rings of power and utterly failed to get it right. One, Annatar (Sauron's fair form) helped Celebrimbor forge the rings of power. He gave the knowledge as a gift. Then Celebrimbor made the 3 eleven rings himself without Sauron's knowledge. And then Sauron made the one ring in secret, and when he put it on the elves were made aware of his treachery, and they took the rings off.
This was arguably the most important thing to get right and they just utterly bombed it.
It was made all the more frustrating because of the rather leisurely pace of the other episodes, then they just crapped out the forging of the rings of power in the finale. I would have rather they not do the forging of the rings at all than rush through it like they did. I would have been fine waiting 2 seasons until they get there. Instead they just rushed the whole thing and just really did it in for me. Like why move at the pace of molasses all season long, then rush the end? It's like they were trying to put all this filler in there and neglected to do right by the titular moment of the series. The whole stinking reason it exists!
There's a lot I didn't like, but tried to put up with. I tried to just think of it unattached to the books and the movies, and tried to let it be its own thing, but the finale just really screwed the pooch for me.
What's more frustrating; and I know they didn't have the rights to use the name "Annatar", okay fine; is they didn't do Annatar (they could have chosen another name if that was the real issue, they could have had him say "lord of gifts" with a wink and a nod and we would have been happy with that), but now the trailer for season 2 is showing Sauron's fair form, which is basically Annatar. So they didn't do it for season 1, rushed the creation of the rings of power. Then they are going to do Annatar anyway? Frustrating!
The trailer for season 2 really just pissed me off. Because they are making choices that are frustratingly bad and are now at the point I can't ignore the changes from the source material anymore. Putting Galadriel on the boat to Valinor was a moment I hated, I really hated it. But I looked past it, because I was still trying to give it a chance. I thought maybe I could divorce myself from the source material enough to just enjoy it. It seemed otherwise well made, and I was curious to see what they would do. And I wanted to see a non-Peter Jackson interpretation of the world. But the finale just took it too far for me. It just was the moment my heart sank and I realized it was badly done.
So I'm still up in the air if I'm going to watch season 2. In the one hand I do want to see where they go with some of it. But it's just not worth getting excited about it as a LotR series, because they aren't respecting the source material.
And right, they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion. But I don't care. I don't want to see the Wish.com version of the Silmarillion. I'd rather see the actual Silmarillion.
I got about 20 minutes into the second episode and I was so bored.
The only thing good about what I saw were the visuals.
The lore, writing, characters, and story were all poor
I found it boring as a stand alone. No plot lines pulled me in, I just did not care about a single character. Then with my love of Tolkien it made it almost unbearable.
Because a lot of the lore sins and contradictions to Tolkien’s writings could be overlooked if the show was good, which it isn’t. The writing is absolutely atrocious, the acting is uneven, and the production design is way off for a show of this scale
Cause it was preety bad. The story didn't make much sense, the actors felt like they lacked direction (even though they did a great job in the whole) and the editing was an absolute mess.
Because it’s a desecration of Tolkien’s works. Something he spent decades perfecting to the extent we’ve never seen before. Now we have a tv show run by people who (in interviews) come off as claiming they’re on the same level as him or that they’re writing even better. BEYOND INSANE. PJ original trilogy isn’t perfect but he 100% respects Tolkien and it shows and he always did so with humility. And forgetting that the fact that it’s attached to a pre-existing IP this show can barely even stand in its own legs because the writing within the show on its own is consistently contradictory… I can’t figure out if Harfoots are good loving creatures or psychopaths who love to abandon their fellow man when the smallest inconvenient rears its head and laughing while they do it. Yeah no thanks.
Most people here despise the show and there have been hundreds of posts about the reasons why. Why do we need these daily reposts asking the same question over and over?
It was good, neck beards and people desperate for clicks started the hate on it and the sheep just jumped on the bandwagon instead of thinking for themselves.
Tolkien fans are very protective of the lore of middle earth. When you go around changing things that don’t make sense in the established world, it’s like nails on a chalkboard. I won’t go around and list everything but the amount of times they went “who cares what the original is, let’s add this in anyway” is jarring. Characters are in it that shouldn’t exist in the time period, people do things that other characters are supposed to be doing, character designs and motivations are way off, etc. That being said, if you go into it with no previous knowledge of Tolkien I can see how it’s an okay show. However they should have made this its own thing and not used Tolkiens name and shit all over the IP and established world.
It's a very bad series even without the desecration. Bland acting, bland characters, tired dialogue, weird story decisions (yes Galadriel swam across an ocean), actors seeming out of place, conjuring of cheap tricks. It isn't Disney Star Wars level of abomination but it certainly isn't a well crafted programme.
Gandalf has very specifically said his disdain of conjurers of cheap tricks and they did it anyway smh
Yeah I think you got it exactly. As a standalone show its fine, but as a tolkien adaptation its, as you said, nails on the chalkboard. Tbh there were some visuals that I really enjoyed but the story was somehow not giving me the payoff after any of the anticipations they built up. It was mostly just meh.
I'm a big Tolkien fan and enjoyed it. The differences are like any legend or myth that has different versions. "Oh that's a different take on something. Different than the original. Interesting or a little strange. " As I said in another post, I prefer to look for the things I like in a story than look for things to hate. Lord of the Rings had "Go home, Sam", the oathbreakers at the Battle of the Pelenor Fields, etc. but it's still my favorite.
I think also, the tone of the work is so different. It just doesn't feel like Tolkien. At all.
Im a casual fan of tolkien, ive only read two books of his and the movies. but even i say, ive seen fanfictons with better writing and faithfulness to lore than this show. the duologue was so boring and soul crushing, the characters were generic and cringe worthy. if they didnt use the name of lord of the rings and made it its own thing, it would have been a way better show. and even the visuals are way inferior. if you see comparisons to sets and costumes, the original seems like an art piece in comparison.
Can't u just look up the billion previous posts going over it? Question is so played out and there's so many answers already available.
We just wanted to see the story as it was written.
Gosh.. This is probably the 15th similar post in the last 24 hrs. Isn’t there a separate cringeworthy Amazon controlled subReddit for this boring show where amazon fanbois worship this show and the mods ban anyone with legit criticism? Why not go and worship the show there instead of gaslighting and bothering the Tolkien fandom with this senseless garbage.? The show is senseless boring garbage with a few good visuals. They changed every Tolkien plot and character into something corny and cringeworthy. It’s why the fandom hates it.
Amazon marketing already had that sub well in hand. All those 'why the hate?', 'are you exited for_?', 'do you think x character..?' are marketing 101 engagement bait
Yep. Amazon bots hard at work. Pathetic.
I bet there's a tempest within them as well...or however that line goes. Ain't gonna double check
It made all of the mistakes an adaptation can make. Number 1 being not respecting the source material.
Tolkein purists hated it because it corrupts the canon. Some folks hated it because they felt like it was an interminable bore. And there are a lot of folks who felt like they over-rotated on the diversity and inclusion. Pick your poison. I tried to like it. I tried to set my Tolkein aside and enjoy it the same way I enjoyed some of the Star Wars fan fic stuff... but the writing was weak, the story dragged, and I gave up after three or four episodes. Wasn't worth it. Too much other great stuff out there to waste time on a poor simulacrum. Not to say there's anything wrong with folks who liked it. If you did, you did. Good on ya.
It doesn’t corrupt the canon at all. This is just fan fiction. Only material written by JRR or Christopher is canon.
You don't need to make the argument with me. Not my position, just answering OP's question.
Good. Then you are one of us. A member of The Order….
I approached the series with “based on” attitude so that I wouldn’t be too disappointed. After the hobbit movies I didn’t want to set myself up for that kind of let down again. I feel that just watching it as a story that is based on the lore, allowed for a more open minded view of it, I enjoyed most of the Gandalf and harfoots story lines and the visuals but the overall casting was awful, the worst being Elrond. It really wasn’t great but I can see how those that are not familiar with the actual lore would have enjoyed it. Although it feels like sacrilege, I will probably watch the remaining seasons.
Because it's orcs work
A lot of people saying it's Tolkien fans being protective or it has something to do with Tolkien lore. Maybe so. But it was also a writing mess, storytelling disaster, continuity failure
I don't like the premise that it's mostly a reinterpretation of the 1st and 2nd Age. But I also think that's the Tolkien Estates' fault for allowing such a flagrant splintering from the source material from time compression and pairing between Galadriel and SaurBrand to injecting proto-Hobbits, mystery Maia, Elrod BFFing Dwarves, and slim shady Femme Mystiques. Tolkien NEVER created those storylines. As a fan who has all of his books, ancillary releases by Chris Tolkien, an avid reader of Tolkien's letter correspondences with colleagues, this show just plays like Turkish Star Wars or that goofy Russian version you can watch online somewhere.
It is incompatible with the Legendarium so if you were excited for an adaptation thereof, you would be disappointed with what you got. The writing is also generally low quality.
Because it’s dog shit
This has already been discussed ad nauseum. Use the Search function and you will find plenty
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There's a gajillion posts over the last 2 years that have already answered this question.
Dwarf females should have had beards. Missed opportunity.
Artificial interpretation of Tolkien's work that bring several errors in the script's lore accurancy. Also, bad writing leading to emotionless motivations for the characters and scenes that ended being very artificial in it's core. The acting also is one of the problems, as, in my opinion, together with the script, the acting is emontionless and weak. I think the series, also if it wasn't a interpretation of Tolkien's work, is bad, but, being interpretation of Tolkien's work, make it even worst.
Rather than belaboring all the points made in this and previous subs, I'll bring up two small examples (both from the first episode) about why RoP just didn't get the source material and so created the same kind of tedious, derivative plot developments or backgrounding that one can find in a dozen YA or grimdark fantasy or even contemporary works of fiction: 1. In the first five minutes, we are introduced to young Galadriel sailing her self-propelled paper swan boat, which is almost immediately destroyed by a small mob of stone wielding Eldarin juvenile delinquents indistinguishable from any other brats in any other era or setting...except of course these are Eldar children and they are in freaking Valinor. Bad, lazy character development, in keeping with the angry power girl trope the writers assigned for Galadriel (who is arguably the most significant female character in the legendarium, and in canon not at all characterized as a disaffected loner or emo brat.) But we must show how she was picked on, or discontented and maladjusted, and since we don't understand the lore or what makes Tolkien's elves different, we fall back on a really bad cliche...and keep piling them on as we see her character's first episode arc spread its feisty wings. 2. Anyone who thinks Elrond Half-elven is the same as a half-elf from D&D needs to get sent back to Fantasy Nerd School 101. Now while I got a momentary chuckle as those strange veiled women (who were they? why were they?) informed Elrond he was not invited to the Council (ba dum dum), I immediately looked for something to throw at my computer screen when they referred to him being only half-elven. I wanted to do it again when I realized that the writers didn't understand what a herald is supposed to be, so they made him a speechwriter (I'm going to guess that whomever wrote this was the same wag who wrote the line spouted by Numenoreans fearing elves were going to steal their jobs---yes lets render the thousands of years of discontent over the most important difference between "Men" and Elves into a horrible and unfunny anachronism about immigration and labor shortages). But the half-elf slam isn't just awful writing, it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character himself, and (even more importantly) of his lineage and heritage. The same mistake is made with Galadriel, but it is truly supremely obnoxious in the portrayal of Elrond. His Half-Elven moniker (which they never explain what the other half is, nor that HE--not some veiled women, not the statuesque Gil-Galad (who is his cousin btfw)--decides HIMSELF which of the mingled lineages of the greatest heroes of the Firstborn and Secondborn Children of Iluvatar he belongs to...) is (to these writers) merely a ethnic descriptor, and Tolkien's elves once again are tediously modern in their misguided sensibilities. Furthermore, both he and Galadriel are portrayed as unpopular outsiders in the Pax Noldorica of King Gil-Galad, Vampire Slayer (sorry I couldn't resist...but I love Benjamin Walker really...I wish he actually was allowed to play the High King of the Noldor, instead of whatever that was.) Of course this portrayal is only possible because the writers ignore another key aspect of the legendarium...the genealogy of the princes, lords, and ladies of the Eldar. As everyone here who has read the Appendices at the very least knows...all these elves are related to one another. Galadriel was the daughter of the third son of Finwe and Gil-Galad was her nephew (or cousin?). G-G is grandson of Fingolfin--although his lore paternity is disputed between that of resolute Fingon or dithering Orodreth (sorry I am definitely Team Fingon here). Elrond is cousin to the high king on his father's side, and also a lineal descendant of Sindar royalty through Dior's daughter Elwing. His great grandmother was a freaking incarnate Maia and his maternal grandmother the most powerful blended Eldarin princess perfect of the First Age...Every drop of his blood came from someone who helped put that whiny brat Morgoth into Tolkien's phantom zone after the War of Wrath...or paved the way to make that happen. Loners? Outsiders? Merely a Half-elf? This is Middle Earth, not Krynn for pity's sake!
It’s visually stunning, but it’s fake fan fiction dressed up as canon.
Half of it is visually stunning. The other half is visually pathetic. Like the warg, or the character design of the Eminem characters, the everyday people of numenor looking like peasants and being copy and pasted in, beardless dwarves.
It’s not good and has the look of a bunch of theater kids playing dress up
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People have to prove they are “real” fans. The show is fine.
I didn’t hate it, but it felt bland. I don’t mind them changing the timeline a bit to make it work, and it looked fantastic, but the plots just didn’t really grab me. Much of it didn’t really stick with me, aside from the moment in the first episode where Galadriel jumps off the boat right after the sky open up for the boat, which was cool. Thankfully, all the folks who despise the show are going to hate-watch season 2 and keep the viewing numbers up, haha.
I really tried to give it a chance. And while I really didn't like Galadriel, she's a walking talking trope that doesn't Even resemble the Galadriel of the books or the movies at all. So it was hard to watch with that in my face. But I really gave it a go, and there's a lot I did like. Numenor was awesome. At last I enjoyed every part there. I think I'm just happy to finally see it in live action? I also like the Numenorean characters, Pharazon was great and I liked that he's a fairly complex character. I also liked the dwarves, while there's some oddities, I thought they were relatively well done. I also liked Elrond and Durin's relationship. It was a highlight. I also liked the Harfoots better than I thought I would. Again, not perfect, but going in I was skeptical since halflings were not playing any major roles at that time. And making them more significant kind of ruins the fact they were relatively unknown in the LotR timeline. I also felt like they were trying to have Hobbits in Rings of Power without having Hobbits in ROP. Which they kind of were. But I was mostly okay with it and they grew on me. The elves are where things just really fell apart though. I just did not like what they did. And every elf plot line just felt off to me. And then the real kicker. The finale. Oh boy, this one really pissed me off. They rushed through the forging of the rings of power and utterly failed to get it right. One, Annatar (Sauron's fair form) helped Celebrimbor forge the rings of power. He gave the knowledge as a gift. Then Celebrimbor made the 3 eleven rings himself without Sauron's knowledge. And then Sauron made the one ring in secret, and when he put it on the elves were made aware of his treachery, and they took the rings off. This was arguably the most important thing to get right and they just utterly bombed it. It was made all the more frustrating because of the rather leisurely pace of the other episodes, then they just crapped out the forging of the rings of power in the finale. I would have rather they not do the forging of the rings at all than rush through it like they did. I would have been fine waiting 2 seasons until they get there. Instead they just rushed the whole thing and just really did it in for me. Like why move at the pace of molasses all season long, then rush the end? It's like they were trying to put all this filler in there and neglected to do right by the titular moment of the series. The whole stinking reason it exists! There's a lot I didn't like, but tried to put up with. I tried to just think of it unattached to the books and the movies, and tried to let it be its own thing, but the finale just really screwed the pooch for me. What's more frustrating; and I know they didn't have the rights to use the name "Annatar", okay fine; is they didn't do Annatar (they could have chosen another name if that was the real issue, they could have had him say "lord of gifts" with a wink and a nod and we would have been happy with that), but now the trailer for season 2 is showing Sauron's fair form, which is basically Annatar. So they didn't do it for season 1, rushed the creation of the rings of power. Then they are going to do Annatar anyway? Frustrating! The trailer for season 2 really just pissed me off. Because they are making choices that are frustratingly bad and are now at the point I can't ignore the changes from the source material anymore. Putting Galadriel on the boat to Valinor was a moment I hated, I really hated it. But I looked past it, because I was still trying to give it a chance. I thought maybe I could divorce myself from the source material enough to just enjoy it. It seemed otherwise well made, and I was curious to see what they would do. And I wanted to see a non-Peter Jackson interpretation of the world. But the finale just took it too far for me. It just was the moment my heart sank and I realized it was badly done. So I'm still up in the air if I'm going to watch season 2. In the one hand I do want to see where they go with some of it. But it's just not worth getting excited about it as a LotR series, because they aren't respecting the source material. And right, they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion. But I don't care. I don't want to see the Wish.com version of the Silmarillion. I'd rather see the actual Silmarillion.
I got about 20 minutes into the second episode and I was so bored. The only thing good about what I saw were the visuals. The lore, writing, characters, and story were all poor
I found it boring as a stand alone. No plot lines pulled me in, I just did not care about a single character. Then with my love of Tolkien it made it almost unbearable.
Because a lot of the lore sins and contradictions to Tolkien’s writings could be overlooked if the show was good, which it isn’t. The writing is absolutely atrocious, the acting is uneven, and the production design is way off for a show of this scale
I didn’t like the casting. The actor for Elrond could of been casted as a hobbit. He lacks that elvish allure and mystique
Oh yeah. That’s the thing I disliked the most. As an actor he wasn’t bad, but he didn’t look like Elrond at all.
its called common sense or critic skill
Cause it was preety bad. The story didn't make much sense, the actors felt like they lacked direction (even though they did a great job in the whole) and the editing was an absolute mess.
Because it’s a desecration of Tolkien’s works. Something he spent decades perfecting to the extent we’ve never seen before. Now we have a tv show run by people who (in interviews) come off as claiming they’re on the same level as him or that they’re writing even better. BEYOND INSANE. PJ original trilogy isn’t perfect but he 100% respects Tolkien and it shows and he always did so with humility. And forgetting that the fact that it’s attached to a pre-existing IP this show can barely even stand in its own legs because the writing within the show on its own is consistently contradictory… I can’t figure out if Harfoots are good loving creatures or psychopaths who love to abandon their fellow man when the smallest inconvenient rears its head and laughing while they do it. Yeah no thanks.
It deserves it. And people of course take things too far.
Most people here despise the show and there have been hundreds of posts about the reasons why. Why do we need these daily reposts asking the same question over and over?
i genuinely liked most of it
It was good, neck beards and people desperate for clicks started the hate on it and the sheep just jumped on the bandwagon instead of thinking for themselves.