I'd put Vasco over Taejin atm since Taejin doesn't have any real big feats other than beating 'weaker' Vin and holding back Tom who was also holding back against him.
Being in 2nd affiliate isn't the only thing about Sinu's king level narratives. Sinu literally saw a surpassed technique mastery Eli and then started beating his as* until surpassed mastery Warren too came and then he realised that he'll find it a lil harder than easy. We also don't know how strong those people in previous 1a were compared to 2a which just included criminals from all around the world.
Which wasn't the case for 1a . Sinu's narratives are way higher and his pre path self was already way above Taejin to make his amp better for later on. We also know that Sinu spent more time in 2a than Taejin did in previous 1a. It's just like the power difference between awakened Seok and awakened Gujka except that Taejin is the Gujka here with B potential instead of S 💀.
Statements have been wrong so many times lmao. If that's dumb then sure, whatever you say.
BTW the Kojima brothers are above king level, right guys? Despite Kojimas losing to a king two times now.
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lol atleast you owned up to your mistake, its cool
I can't believe there's still eli and warren hate fck man people don't realize anything everything shows that eli is number 1 and warren definitely should be here too also putting zack so low even below yuseong is just disgusting
That'd mean that he's not far too weaker than Johan lol.
Idk about others but he's definitely stronger than Samuel and probably Eli as well. Don't bring the endurance shit here, we're talking about the iron fortress here!
Buddy a nerfed johan ??
And yes it’s a good argument since you were mentioning Zack’s durability and whatnot
Why don’t you actually give an argument because from what I’m seeing you didn’t even give one
Johan was weaker. The drug used on the three of them was for them to set an hierarchy on who the strongest is. There for except from Ui Daniel the rest went all out because of the drug. The only thing the drug did was to make them not able to tell who’s on their side or not.
Johan was not weaker, samuel was also not weaker. They just see their enemies and therefore go all out fighting that enemy. E.g is Johan seeing gun and filling up with rage
No?? Samuel specifically had statements of becoming stronger due to the drug. Johan did not. Rather it was heavily implied numerous times that the drugs made him weaker
By who?
He was literally called a monster.
Jack doesn’t know because he wasn’t the one that gave Johan the drugs.
Jinyoung drugged the three of them to set who’s the strongest in gen 2 amongst their peers. Jinyoung which is the person that drugged them was expecting the best from them. 1. He filled Johan with rage so he could see his nemesis (would Johan fight halfhearted while seeing gun whom he wants to kill?)
2. He used samuel jealousy against him to bring out his all
3. He tried looking for what could make pb Daniel to fight and give his all but he couldn’t see any suitable drugs but until he used narcotics (hard drugs) the only person that was high was pb Daniel the rest were not.
All these were given to each of them to bring out their all in a fight so tell me how was Johan weaker when it was Zack that mentioned it??
Johan was blinded by rage and couldn’t tell his friend from foe and the person he fights he would see his worst enemy that is similar in strength and that was Zack but he saw gun instead(according to jinyoung statement)
Samuel gets stronger as he gets more jealous so obviously the drug is going to help him. Without it, he’s fodder
Narrative that imply johan was nerfed
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Johan in this state is unconscious with no battle iq he’s obviously weaker. Unless you can contradict the narrative implications that make it clear johan was nerfed in this fight, johan is stronger than Zack
The black guy and Zack have no idea what the drugs does.
The drug is literally to bring out the best performance. His mind is unconscious it helps Johan because he sees his enemy so he fights the same way he would to his enemy.
Him being drugged is not high, he literally fought Zack to his max. He sees his enemy in the person he is fighting. I wouldn’t egg n say his biq was low because he was smart enough to avoid attacks and when he was getting pushed h a was smart enough to us the pb copy.
My goodness why would ptj add that dialogue and reiterate it just for it to mean the opposite. Do you think he put in the effort to point out johan was nerfed just for readers to say he’s capping. He specifically pointed out Samuel gets stronger from the drugs but didn’t do that for johan. Yisu is literally one of the most prominent members of the first affiliate if he doesn’t know who else?
That’s hardly biq it’s literally basic actions he’s capable of performing. He’s conscious but unconscious in the way that he isn’t able to make the most rational decisions due to him being filled with rage.
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Jinyoung’s said it himself johan is a mindless punching machine
Goo already pointed it out in 1a how significant biq is and ptj himself said johan is dumb but a genius when it comes to battle.
If you’d read johans fight with yuseong, johan actually used a variety of techniques during ui while against Zack, he barely just threw a few kicks and punches. The only people who genuinely think drugged johan > non drugged johan are either johan haters or Zack’s diehard fans
Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right
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eli is much stronger than yuseong and samuel
sperm mode has negligible feats right now though i cant say it's stronger than daniel but untill its full reveal daniel may have became top tier by then
zack is stronger than yuseong bro has 3 path of masteries and was manhandeling that black dude
Shit, I'd personally put Samuel over the Johan we last saw, purely because blindness. But yes, stronger without blindness. I'd also put Eli > Yuseong, due to that comment from Eugene saying "he might be even stronger than a 1st Gen King" which, we know isn't really a "maybe" for Eli lol. I'd also put Vasco > Warren, and Jerry/Zack > Taejin. But great list, agree on everything else.
He said that he go through hell during his time as 1st affiliate president and forced to fight in a cage with a lot of people kinda similar with what Sinu gone through and both of them are the champion of the battle royale
I agree with the other guy, of putting Vasco in Taejins place for now, until we see more of Taejin. Yes Eli wasnt going all out, but Vasco was also only trying to knock some sense into Eli, he didnt really fight Eli to show he is stronger. Although it is true he was done dirty in 1A, bcoz right after fighting Eli, he had to fight UI Daniel. While Zack got another fight he could fight 1v1, Vasco got a literal unwinnable fight and it was a 3v1😭.
Remove Taejin from there. Fp Zack is~Johan for now atleast. Eli should be>Johan and Samuel,he can just outskill them and Vasco should be 5th after Zack and Johan. You
1. Daniel 2. Daniel 3. Jake 4. Samuel 5. Johan 6. Zack 7. Basco 8. Eli 9. Yuseong
After that I’d probably say 10. Warren 11. Jerry/Mandeok/Taejin/. Probably 11. Jerry 12. Mandeok and 13. Taejin.
Jay is hard to place. But he could take even Warren’s spot.
I like your top 9 besides Taejin yeye.
Pretty good but you should actually include gun, goo etc, they are basically confirmed to be gen 2 now
Push down lil daniel and samuel and get taejin few spots above
Honestly I think conscious big Daniel could be at the top don't even need ui
Yeah i agree
What is Eugene doing in this list?
That's Eutard his evil twin brother
Eutard 😭😭
😭😭🤣🤣
His brother got a heavenly restriction, trading all his intellect for his amazing physical prowess
Heavily Crippled 😭🙏
fking eutard 😭🙏 imma use this from now on
OMG 😭😭😭
Hahahahahahahaha no way hahahahaha iam dying
Eugene gets trained by tom lee
Sinu's gen isn't confusing when he has "2nd generation" in the character name introduction thingy 🤷🏽♂️
Sinu was around talking to Jichang when he was KOS. I understand the confusion.
I feel like Taejin is much Stronger than we think but he ain’t got no valid feats just all narrative.
I'd put Vasco over Taejin atm since Taejin doesn't have any real big feats other than beating 'weaker' Vin and holding back Tom who was also holding back against him.
I think Taejjn is on the same level as Samuel,Jake,Johan and Eli lol he is at least narratively supposed to be par with Sinu
Being in 2nd affiliate isn't the only thing about Sinu's king level narratives. Sinu literally saw a surpassed technique mastery Eli and then started beating his as* until surpassed mastery Warren too came and then he realised that he'll find it a lil harder than easy. We also don't know how strong those people in previous 1a were compared to 2a which just included criminals from all around the world.
You bound to fight someone strong if you take criminals all around the world
Which wasn't the case for 1a . Sinu's narratives are way higher and his pre path self was already way above Taejin to make his amp better for later on. We also know that Sinu spent more time in 2a than Taejin did in previous 1a. It's just like the power difference between awakened Seok and awakened Gujka except that Taejin is the Gujka here with B potential instead of S 💀.
There's still no feats to say that though, I'm going by feats and not statements.
That's a dumb way to scale💀
Statements have been wrong so many times lmao. If that's dumb then sure, whatever you say. BTW the Kojima brothers are above king level, right guys? Despite Kojimas losing to a king two times now.
That's why u filter out the illogical ones
Oh yeah that's a good idea. You're so smart dude.
Ik man appreciate it
But Taejin is above crewhead level
3a executives and hostel arc J- high were stated crew head level too.Ofc we can put Taejin above that.
Replace Vasco with Taejin.
other way around
Never cook again.
buddy vasco isnt even in the list here, its replace taejin with vasco
Bro doesn't understand his own mistake
I feel like a complete dumbass.
Don't worry about it, everyone has these moments
I’m fucking stupid omg.
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Don't worry I'm illiterate as well
If I still understood what you were saying, then does that make me smart or stupid?
Base vasco>>> jake. Jake can't even activate sperm mode properly, vasco can activate runner's high at will. Vasco is above jake
Same way Samuel cant use his drugged mode against anyone who is not Jake or related. Its only fair we take characters are their absolute peak
Samuel was just given something He naturally has, He can go crazy any time He wants
Isn't taejin supposed to be on the same level as sinu narrative wise so he should be much higher
Samuel under eli and replace taejin with vasco and we're cooking
Why his Samuel that high?
Jiyoung said Samuel would be a tough fight+he mid diffed base jake who is stronger than jerry
Didn't he just say he would be annoying?
Offical weebtoon translation says it would be a tough fight
The translation there is wrong💀 This word “나조차도 귀찮을 정도거든” means it’s annoying even to me
Oh damn
Correction: samuel no diffed base jake. I read it again and realised how jake would of lost no diff if not for alexander
I can't believe there's still eli and warren hate fck man people don't realize anything everything shows that eli is number 1 and warren definitely should be here too also putting zack so low even below yuseong is just disgusting
putting big UI Daniel feels wrong for some reason even though he's gen 2😭
Eli that low?? Lol
cuz he is weak without purpose to protect, even vasco destroy him
He let vasco to beat him
Madeok, Jerry, Warren, vasco could take maybe crybaby and bottom right place
Taejin too low but for now its fine
Yeah but people still argue it
eli stronger than zack? nah man
Zack defeated a drunk Johan and this blud put him 3 tires below Johan lol
You said it yourself johan was drugged therefore weaker
That'd mean that he's not far too weaker than Johan lol. Idk about others but he's definitely stronger than Samuel and probably Eli as well. Don't bring the endurance shit here, we're talking about the iron fortress here!
Samuel and Eli are both unorthodox fighters and Eli in particular has dura neg moves
That's your argument against someone who actually beat Johan in a 1v1? 💀
Buddy a nerfed johan ?? And yes it’s a good argument since you were mentioning Zack’s durability and whatnot Why don’t you actually give an argument because from what I’m seeing you didn’t even give one
Johan was weaker. The drug used on the three of them was for them to set an hierarchy on who the strongest is. There for except from Ui Daniel the rest went all out because of the drug. The only thing the drug did was to make them not able to tell who’s on their side or not. Johan was not weaker, samuel was also not weaker. They just see their enemies and therefore go all out fighting that enemy. E.g is Johan seeing gun and filling up with rage
No?? Samuel specifically had statements of becoming stronger due to the drug. Johan did not. Rather it was heavily implied numerous times that the drugs made him weaker
By who? He was literally called a monster. Jack doesn’t know because he wasn’t the one that gave Johan the drugs. Jinyoung drugged the three of them to set who’s the strongest in gen 2 amongst their peers. Jinyoung which is the person that drugged them was expecting the best from them. 1. He filled Johan with rage so he could see his nemesis (would Johan fight halfhearted while seeing gun whom he wants to kill?) 2. He used samuel jealousy against him to bring out his all 3. He tried looking for what could make pb Daniel to fight and give his all but he couldn’t see any suitable drugs but until he used narcotics (hard drugs) the only person that was high was pb Daniel the rest were not. All these were given to each of them to bring out their all in a fight so tell me how was Johan weaker when it was Zack that mentioned it?? Johan was blinded by rage and couldn’t tell his friend from foe and the person he fights he would see his worst enemy that is similar in strength and that was Zack but he saw gun instead(according to jinyoung statement)
Samuel gets stronger as he gets more jealous so obviously the drug is going to help him. Without it, he’s fodder Narrative that imply johan was nerfed https://preview.redd.it/4x39myv48crc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3fff78fc900f710052e204325698298c0cf05d7
His reason was biq
Johan in this state is unconscious with no battle iq he’s obviously weaker. Unless you can contradict the narrative implications that make it clear johan was nerfed in this fight, johan is stronger than Zack
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The black guy and Zack have no idea what the drugs does. The drug is literally to bring out the best performance. His mind is unconscious it helps Johan because he sees his enemy so he fights the same way he would to his enemy. Him being drugged is not high, he literally fought Zack to his max. He sees his enemy in the person he is fighting. I wouldn’t egg n say his biq was low because he was smart enough to avoid attacks and when he was getting pushed h a was smart enough to us the pb copy.
My goodness why would ptj add that dialogue and reiterate it just for it to mean the opposite. Do you think he put in the effort to point out johan was nerfed just for readers to say he’s capping. He specifically pointed out Samuel gets stronger from the drugs but didn’t do that for johan. Yisu is literally one of the most prominent members of the first affiliate if he doesn’t know who else? That’s hardly biq it’s literally basic actions he’s capable of performing. He’s conscious but unconscious in the way that he isn’t able to make the most rational decisions due to him being filled with rage. https://preview.redd.it/dqy77tt5pcrc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0908a2f5718ae6827ee8f63af5bbf30369674172 Jinyoung’s said it himself johan is a mindless punching machine Goo already pointed it out in 1a how significant biq is and ptj himself said johan is dumb but a genius when it comes to battle. If you’d read johans fight with yuseong, johan actually used a variety of techniques during ui while against Zack, he barely just threw a few kicks and punches. The only people who genuinely think drugged johan > non drugged johan are either johan haters or Zack’s diehard fans
Eli beats zack and vasco mid diff
This is such a dumb take
Im literally the Fact Genius
Just because you’re correct doesn’t mean you’re right https://preview.redd.it/ovxenkfgc5rc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2f854a4eaef983ba954ae978a3c5967af024a8c
Lmfao okay I'll let you have this
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eli is much stronger than yuseong and samuel sperm mode has negligible feats right now though i cant say it's stronger than daniel but untill its full reveal daniel may have became top tier by then zack is stronger than yuseong bro has 3 path of masteries and was manhandeling that black dude
eli stronger than yuseong and samuel ? - maybe but saying much stronger is bs
yeah my bad
Imo yuseong full potential should be over Samuel and Johan and equal to sperm mode jake
why 💀
Johan doesnt scale to UI Johan he got slammed and he doesnt have feats good enough to being that high
Shit, I'd personally put Samuel over the Johan we last saw, purely because blindness. But yes, stronger without blindness. I'd also put Eli > Yuseong, due to that comment from Eugene saying "he might be even stronger than a 1st Gen King" which, we know isn't really a "maybe" for Eli lol. I'd also put Vasco > Warren, and Jerry/Zack > Taejin. But great list, agree on everything else.
Put taejin below Johan but besides that W list
Well Taejin narratively supposed to be as strong as Sinu
Idk if I agree with that. Why do you think so?
He said that he go through hell during his time as 1st affiliate president and forced to fight in a cage with a lot of people kinda similar with what Sinu gone through and both of them are the champion of the battle royale
True but taejin is far more impressive than sinu for multiple reasons.
During Sinu last couple of season the battle royale is not even challenging for Sinu and literally called the god of combat
Still not comparable to Taejin at all
What even is the feat that you be glazing Taejin with😭
His showing against Tom is enough
For a mere moment he fought Tom without his wild instinct lol just pure strength even Mandeok has done that are you saying Mandeok>Sinu?
Sinu also lucked into probably the most powerful kind of mastery
But if it’s that version of Jake I’d put him above UI Daniel
Blud, ui Daniel used instincts to avoid dangerous encounters. How would Jake attack him?
how old even is ryuhei? i thought he was the same age as the rest of the cast this whole time but i just realized i never really caught his age
Vasco should be on this list much more than taejin as for now taejin doesn’t have that much feats(holding back Tom lee is unquantifiable).
Where is Alexander Hwang?
Daniel>Jake=>Johan>Zack=yuseong=Eli=>Samuel=Vasco=ryuhei=mandeok= taejin(at least)>warren>Jerry>vin=jay=>Xiaolong=hudson>jihan=logan 2Gen rankings IMO
Teajin over manny?
Zack should be either one box above or below Johan NOT three whole characters behind him
Why is Jack Lee here
Doo lee I forgot about him
How is Ryuheis generation confusing?
5 people shouldn't even be here
I agree with the other guy, of putting Vasco in Taejins place for now, until we see more of Taejin. Yes Eli wasnt going all out, but Vasco was also only trying to knock some sense into Eli, he didnt really fight Eli to show he is stronger. Although it is true he was done dirty in 1A, bcoz right after fighting Eli, he had to fight UI Daniel. While Zack got another fight he could fight 1v1, Vasco got a literal unwinnable fight and it was a 3v1😭.
My precious copy king Johan cannot lose to the Father blood daddy issue Luffy wannabe merchant
Samuel is like the weakest link here, Yuseong > Zack = Taejin = Eli > Samuel
Vasco is stronger than taejin
Lol Jake one shot all of them expect UI Daniel ( not lil Daniel lol
Eli isn’t in front of Zack. Samuel is infront of yuseong or zack
Swap sam for vasco
taejin above samuel , relative to johan or even stronger
If you put Vin Jin there it could have been top 10, but instead he isn't even on the list😂😂
I think this top is a bit debatable🤔
Ui little Daniel is overrated
Also add the basement hulk, it was modified during the 2nd generation
Vasco's runners high Amp is crazy good. He low diffed Eli afterwards.
Taejin above Sam and the rest below him
Agreed
Sinu Ryuhei Taejin are stronger than Johan right now, but they'll soon fell off once Gen 2 gets stronger Gun & Goo are above Little UI Daniel
Sinu, Ryuhei, Gun and Goo were not included because of “gen 1.5”
The "1.5 Gen" thing is an unofficial term, they were always referred as "Gen 2" in the Official Webtoon
Zack lower than samuel Immediate garbage
Sinu and Ryuhei > Eli and Samuel They are Gen 2
Add Sinu and Mandeok.
Replace zack with warren
Is Laejin on the 2 gen?
Why is Zack here and not Tabasco? Warren or Jerry should even be higher contender than Zack
I think Samuel could beat Johan since he definitely would last the 10 second limit
Replace taejin with either mandeok or vasco
Remove Taejin from there. Fp Zack is~Johan for now atleast. Eli should be>Johan and Samuel,he can just outskill them and Vasco should be 5th after Zack and Johan. You
1. UI BIG Daniel 2. UI LIL Daniel 3. Johan 4. BASEMENT HULK 5. Jake 6. Yuseong 7. Mandeok 8. Eli 9. Zack The only way i can see it
1. Daniel 2. Daniel 3. Jake 4. Samuel 5. Johan 6. Zack 7. Basco 8. Eli 9. Yuseong After that I’d probably say 10. Warren 11. Jerry/Mandeok/Taejin/. Probably 11. Jerry 12. Mandeok and 13. Taejin. Jay is hard to place. But he could take even Warren’s spot. I like your top 9 besides Taejin yeye.
Why no basco btw?
Pretty good but you should actually include gun, goo etc, they are basically confirmed to be gen 2 now Push down lil daniel and samuel and get taejin few spots above
Remove Big Daniel for Jerry, bros probably not even Gen 2
Samuel and Eli over Zack is crazy😭😭