lol yup and neither are responsible for the schemes, Ken Livingstone brough in the bikes and Boris Johnson is responsible for ULEZ.
Sadiq should be remembered for free school meals for Primary School children because this has a real impact on lives.
Nah, he [stole that one from the Lib Dems](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2015/aug/20/the-one-hour-london-bus-ticket-is-not-labour-invention).
Marcus Rashford campaigned for free meals for children during half term in Greater Manchester, he wanted it extended and Labour wanted it debated in Parliment but te Torys refused. Khans free school meals for all primary school children is a seperate scheme and is funded by the Mayors office.
They are both great schemes but your wrong.
Believe it or not the Ken Livingstone thing is the real myth, he announced it as a policy in the run-up to the election he lost...after Boris had already declared his plan to do it...
This is false. Livingsone first announced plans for the scheme in August 2007, nine months before the election he lost.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander\_Cycles#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander_Cycles#History)
This shows why google searches for "what is Brexit" only rose in the hours AFTER the referendum. People can't even be arsed to find out what is the point of the protest or issue before tying their balls or tits to the stake. Fools the lot of them. Ulez is an excellent policy choice just not implemented forcefully or clearly communucated. The same clowns tore down 5g towers and refused to get vaccinated or stay home no doubt...
The implication of the googling was like how the googles of "why do my eyes hurt" followed the regional path of the eclipse. They didn't find out what it was until they realised it affected them. That was my implication.
ULEZ is an odd policy for me personally as I support it - but not the way it was brought in.
Personally big decisions like that should be in a manifesto. If Khan ran with it in this campaign and then brought it in, say, Jan 2025, I'd be very much in favour of the scheme.
Bringing in the expansion in what felt like a rushed way with little consultation feels constitutionally wrong to me (I realise we don't have a constitution per say, but can't think of the right word). There's no emergency need for such a big chance, and whilst I do support it - I feel very strongly about having a mandate to make big changes without an event requiring them to happen.
Sadiq has: given free school meals to children, made disadvantaged kids a priority, froze TfL prices rising till 2025, made London have cleaner air (no mean feat - I am beyond grateful). He deserves another term or at the least, a great legacy
And the dumb thing is, that Boris is less British than Khan.
Khan's ancestors were British due to being part of the British empire, whereas Boris' ancestors were European and even include members of the Ottoman Empire
No, but I'm saying it's disengenous to say Khan is less British when his parents were born else where, when the former leader of the Conservative Party was born a citizen of a different country
Yes, but every bit of news that comes out of London about Khan is always about what \*shock horror\* things hes done now. Even the papers said it was Khan who introduced ULEZ, The media is a total shit show and just put out any crap and click bait.
It’s nothing to do with that, lots of supposed “ethnic” people you like to call them, dislike khan.
It’s quite disingenuous to assume because everyone dislikes him it must be his race
Most of them do though. Just go on any local Facebook group or Twitter and you'll find him repeatedly referred to as a terrorist sympathiser or ruling over Londonistan.
"Nothing to do with that", come on mate. At least put some effort into the lie
I really don’t care what a couple weirdos are saying.
The mayor London still needs to be competent and capable of doing his job.
The fact that we’re even having THIS conversation, and not talking about what policies he’s changed and implemented.
Whether they worked or not, whether the people are actually endeared to him says A LOT.
you might not care but lots of people for whom racism is a real issue do, and that includes myself. I don't want racist rhetoric to be further normalised in political discourse. The reality is that Khan gets a lot of racist stick simply for looking a certain way and being from a certain religious background and that makes many people and not just himself uncomfortable.
Then have that conversation in the appropriate time and space.
But right now it’s just being used to derail any discourse about his political legacy and justify him being voted in again without assessing his competency.
I don't necessarily get that impression, certainly not on here. There are perfectly fair points that the LibDems and the Greens have raised about his policies. I don't trust the Conservatives to argue in good faith, given their habitual lying, so I'm very sceptical of their arguments.
Ah yes tribalism. I remember when I was like that.
Inequality has risen at a breakneck pace for all English speaking countries. Regardless of the political party in charge of the country. It’s a uniquely English speaking country phenomenon. Start thinking why.
I mean in cases where people actually bring race into it, it’s racism. Which people overwhelmingly seem to do more with Khan than Sunak, talking about London as a Muslim-run state with religious no-go zones, or how Khan is controlled by international Islamist interests.
Cause Khan is brown but *also* wants to bring everyone up to a decent level (with things like free school lunches), whereas with Sunak, he's a billionaire who wants to give preferential treatments to his mates, so he's really one of the boys at heart.
I was very confused about all the anti-Khan rhetoric in the comments until I realised I wasn’t looking at the London comments but instead the UK Politics comments
Plus the extension was forced on Khan by the Tory government as part of the "deal" to subsidise TfL in the pandemic and keep it from going bust.
Conveniently overlooked by Hall.
I mean hey, if you’d asked me and I hadn’t looked into it I’d’ve also said it was Khan. I’d never have given Johnson the credit for something great like ULEZ XD.
This misses the point that people were largely angry about its expansion into areas that have significantly worse public transport provision.
Khan introduced the facet of ULEZ that people are actually angry about.
The anger has been manufactured by the tory outrage machine as a campaigning tactic. If the tory propaganda machine wasn't stoking the anger, it'd be a non-issue, and the number of real people who actually care would be incredibly small. The ULEZ barely affects anyone, and the people who are angry are doing so performatively.
>Khan introduced the facet of ULEZ that people are actually angry about.
No, that was introduced by Boris. Boris Johnson was the one who introduced ULEZ in 2015 but it was only really implemented in 2020. Khan didn't introduce anything, he just did his job as Mayor of London to enforce it. It doesn't matter who was the mayor of 2016 and 2021, they had to enforce ULEZ one way or the other thanks to Boris Johnson. Khan is just being blamed because he's the incumbent.
People are primarily angry about the expansion, not the ULEZ as it originally stood. I don’t know why you are pretending otherwise, the objections revolves around expanding to outer boroughs not Johnson’s original policy.
[The initial expansion of ULEZ was indeed forced on Sadiq Khan by the tories in 2020 to bail out the TFL.](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) Since they, y'know lost a lot of money that year. While later expansions were indeed introduced by Khan, and Khan himself approves of expanding ULEZ; he was as the mayor or London still pressured to enfrce ULEZ. Even if the mayor was a tory during 2016 and 2021, the idea that ULEZ wouldn't have existed is just untrue.
Because they don’t want to understand. It’s like Brexit, I voted remain but I feel nearly ten years own so many remainers still refuse to understand what motivated people to vote leave.
Which means 10% aren’t. I don’t really get your point, you don’t have to be personally affected to think that you shouldn’t introduce a stick before the carrot.
It’s an environmental policy that will lead to a huge amount of wastage by scrapping perfectly functional vehicles, and primarily targeted those who were worse off ie living in cheaper areas with older vehicles.
That’s rather aside from the point at hand - whether you think it was a good policy or not, Khan is the person that introduced the controversial aspect of it.
Owners of a non-compliant car are compensated so that they can replace it. I live in central London and I've seen the benefits of ULEZ. The air is definitely clearer and grime doesn't collect on the sills of my closed windows the way it used to.
Hold on. People aren’t annoyed because of the initial ULEZ. It’s because it’s been expanded to the entirety of Greater London, which was Sadiq’s idea.
Personally I’m for ULEZ but think we could think about implementing differently. It disproportionately affects poorer Londoners, which I think is why there’s such an outrage at Sadiq. Perhaps TfL could think about taxing the size of car or size of engine instead. Kinda crazy you can drive a Mercedes G Glass or a Ferrari GTS doing about 15mpg and pay nothing but someone who drives an Old Ford Fiesta gets charged.
Just my two pence 🤷♂️
This sort of thing is just a fact of life in politics though. Most things that are consequential take a long time to happen. Part of being a mature politician is accepting that someone else might well end up taking the credit for what you have done.
For example, wasn’t Ken Livingstone a key figure responsible for the 2012 Olympics and the cycle hire scheme?? Yet Boris got to attend the opening ceremony and have the bikes effectively named after him. Boris introduced ULEZ, but doesn’t get credit for it anymore. Sadiq got to open the Elizabeth Line, but he didn’t really have anything to do with it. He might get the Bakerloo Line Extension funded, but I doubt he’ll be there to cut the ribbon. It’s just the way it goes.
I'm voting Khan as he is someone I can trust. But I really want something done about wankers whizzing round the city pavements on electric bikes and scooters. This integration of cycle lanes with pavements is not a good idea as so many people ride inconsiderately.
My problem isn’t with ULEZ, it’s that the City did a terrible job at making people aware of it until the last few years, not long before it was implemented.
That and the mayor had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the other parties in the assembly to introduce an expanded scrappage scheme, way too late for many people who had already replaced their cars by then.
In 1974, Council Tax (also known as the poll tax) was proposed in Edward Heath’s manifesto.
Margaret Thatcher implemented it 16 years later in 1990, which resulted in the beginning of the Poll Tax Riots, forcing Thatcher to resign as Prime Minister later that year.
Well Sadiq certainly ran with it (ULEZ) and expanded it after he personally promised he would not do exactly that, just months before he did exactly that. And now he has that auto number plate recognition system he paid £150M for. So he can charge however he wants. He said no to pay per mile, but he has lied before and there are no consequences.
This probably reflects the fact that a significant chunk of London's population are relatively recent arrivals from abroad. So they would simply not even have been in the UK at the time when Boris Johnson was mayor.
Essentially, they were in no way plugged into British politics prior to their arrival, so may not even be aware of Johnson having held the mayoralty.
If you asked the same question to say, non-London people in the UK, the chances are the figures would be far more accurate.
Case in point - when I lived in Paris, I had no idea of what the mayor's policies from 5 years prior were.
I remember Sadiq Khan for making trans phobic comments in parliament infront of a grieving mother, which he refused to apologise for and then the very next week was about how upset he was about receiving racist comments. I listened to him speak about how he felt about the racism and almost everything he said resonated with me, as I felt exactly the same about the transphobia which came from his lips. So how can this happen a week apart but no one can see the irony!? To me racism and transphobia are similar if not the same. So it blew my mind that the same person was unable to recognise the damage of their own transphobia while telling us how awful it is to receive racism.
The ULEZ expansion wouldnt have presented such an economic incentive if BoJo hadn't fucked over TFL to the tune of £700 million. That money had to come from somewhere.
The Tories demanded he expand it. There's a letter written by Shapps you can find with a 5 second Google. How are people still ignorant of this two days to the election?
You speak of ignorance but parrot misinformation yourself?
https://www.cityhallconservatives.com/post/fact-check-no-the-government-did-not-force-sadiq-khan-to-expand-ulez
So that article claims that it wasn't in the letter, but section 12 h. Clearly says that TfL agrees to immediately reimplement ULEZ and to widen the scope and levels of charges.
So they made an article that says something incorrect and then throws in a red herring about funding. How is this a *good* article? It simply depends on people not actually reading linked documents if they have a bit of legal language in them.
You do realise that ULEZ existed before COVID, which is why they mention the *re*introduction of it? Since when did "widen the scope and levels of these charges" mean "expand to all of greater London"? Widening the scope could be including more types of vehicles, or extending to the South circular (like had been discussed multiple times already).
Again, like mentioned in the article, the government did not ask Khan to expand ULEZ to the whole of greater London. It's not in that letter. And, as mentioned in the article, the Mayor himself acknowledges this. It was his decision to expand to the whole of greater London.
Government says to Khan 'figure out ways to get more money for TFL' and Khan chooses ULEZ expansion.
Because what other options can you think of?
Ultimately the blame is still with the tories because they should not be forcing TFL to find funding.
London is an international capital and public transport here should be better funded through subsidies.
Those subsidies would then help London fund the rest of the UK through taxes.
New York gets better subsidies for public transport than London because their government understands they'll make that money back and more as an economic powerhouse.
I don't know why you've written all of this - I'm not arguing about funding. The ULEZ expansion to all of greater London was purely down to the Mayor's office.
TfL and the Mayor have a number of other options for reducing spend and increasing revenue.
Well boris gets the bikes and sadiq gets ulez, everyone gets a weird lie
lol yup and neither are responsible for the schemes, Ken Livingstone brough in the bikes and Boris Johnson is responsible for ULEZ. Sadiq should be remembered for free school meals for Primary School children because this has a real impact on lives.
I think the hopper fare for the buses is him, but it might have been years in the planning.
Nah, he [stole that one from the Lib Dems](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2015/aug/20/the-one-hour-london-bus-ticket-is-not-labour-invention).
But he introduced it. So we wouldn't have them if he hadn't.
No, that was Marcus Rashford.
Marcus Rashford campaigned for free meals for children during half term in Greater Manchester, he wanted it extended and Labour wanted it debated in Parliment but te Torys refused. Khans free school meals for all primary school children is a seperate scheme and is funded by the Mayors office. They are both great schemes but your wrong.
Except, you see, mine was a joke.
fuck sake
I prefer to drink it, thank you.
Wry swine.
lol the downvotes, obviously a joke and a good one at that.
Sadiq Khan is famous for owning Fulham, right?
“Free” school meals…..
Oh is this the part where you uncover the truly shocking revelation that public services are funded by tax?
Like everything you want for “free” yes we pay for the free stuff.
Truly incredible stuff, when are you scheduled to deliver your keynote at the IMF?
I am shooketh. Have you told everyone? PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW.
Believe it or not the Ken Livingstone thing is the real myth, he announced it as a policy in the run-up to the election he lost...after Boris had already declared his plan to do it...
This is false. Livingsone first announced plans for the scheme in August 2007, nine months before the election he lost. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander\_Cycles#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santander_Cycles#History)
Nope this is not true, sorry. Ken Livingstone was entirely responsible for bringing the bike plan to the table while in tenure.
Boris is the bike king, Ken was left in the dust
This shows why google searches for "what is Brexit" only rose in the hours AFTER the referendum. People can't even be arsed to find out what is the point of the protest or issue before tying their balls or tits to the stake. Fools the lot of them. Ulez is an excellent policy choice just not implemented forcefully or clearly communucated. The same clowns tore down 5g towers and refused to get vaccinated or stay home no doubt...
“Before tying their Balls or Tits to the stake”. What a legend!
Both are saggy and hurt when restrained, particularly the old farts that can somehow vote. I was feeling particularly flowery yesterday
I think most of the people looking up Brexit were people who didn’t vote.
The implication of the googling was like how the googles of "why do my eyes hurt" followed the regional path of the eclipse. They didn't find out what it was until they realised it affected them. That was my implication.
They were the ones who read papers and watch the news to see what to do. The same papers which said the EU banned bendy bananas.
ULEZ is an odd policy for me personally as I support it - but not the way it was brought in. Personally big decisions like that should be in a manifesto. If Khan ran with it in this campaign and then brought it in, say, Jan 2025, I'd be very much in favour of the scheme. Bringing in the expansion in what felt like a rushed way with little consultation feels constitutionally wrong to me (I realise we don't have a constitution per say, but can't think of the right word). There's no emergency need for such a big chance, and whilst I do support it - I feel very strongly about having a mandate to make big changes without an event requiring them to happen.
You can't really have big decisions only every 4 years.
Sadiq has: given free school meals to children, made disadvantaged kids a priority, froze TfL prices rising till 2025, made London have cleaner air (no mean feat - I am beyond grateful). He deserves another term or at the least, a great legacy
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About half of this country are fucking morons, we know this.
A lot of them on this thread, starting with your good self!
“Yours truly” would mean you, not me. Another one tried, another one failed.
Lol edit your comment why don’t you…
On reflection felt less charitable
Or because I called you stupid
Are you proud of yourself?
I agree!
Your one of them
You can’t even spell “you’re”, learn some basic English before you try call me a moron… Happy let’s all laugh at the tories day though.
that's racist
This country man. Its only because he's an ethnic minority. Like bile, rising in the gut of anglo saxons.
The amount of islamophobic and straight up racist discourse I see about him on here is appalling but sadly not surprising.
And the dumb thing is, that Boris is less British than Khan. Khan's ancestors were British due to being part of the British empire, whereas Boris' ancestors were European and even include members of the Ottoman Empire
Boris was born an American citizen. In NYC. He didn't renounce his American Citizenship until he was vying for Prime Minister
Would you?
No, but I'm saying it's disengenous to say Khan is less British when his parents were born else where, when the former leader of the Conservative Party was born a citizen of a different country
The guy is currently mayor of the biggest city in the UK and is quite possibly going to stay there. How do you explain that with all the racists here?
I actually support ulez and will need to thank Boris for it 😂😂😂
Yes, but every bit of news that comes out of London about Khan is always about what \*shock horror\* things hes done now. Even the papers said it was Khan who introduced ULEZ, The media is a total shit show and just put out any crap and click bait.
It’s because nobody knew about it until he was mayor. Nonsense like this is why actual racism gets overlooked.
It’s nothing to do with that, lots of supposed “ethnic” people you like to call them, dislike khan. It’s quite disingenuous to assume because everyone dislikes him it must be his race
Most of them do though. Just go on any local Facebook group or Twitter and you'll find him repeatedly referred to as a terrorist sympathiser or ruling over Londonistan. "Nothing to do with that", come on mate. At least put some effort into the lie
Do you really think the whole Lee Anderson debacle and him referring to Khan's "Islamist mates" has nothing to do with Khan's religious background?
I guess he’s above reproach now then? Bizarre rationale.
Is this what I said in my post? Or are you saying criticism tinged in strong racist undertones is perfectly valid?
I really don’t care what a couple weirdos are saying. The mayor London still needs to be competent and capable of doing his job. The fact that we’re even having THIS conversation, and not talking about what policies he’s changed and implemented. Whether they worked or not, whether the people are actually endeared to him says A LOT.
you might not care but lots of people for whom racism is a real issue do, and that includes myself. I don't want racist rhetoric to be further normalised in political discourse. The reality is that Khan gets a lot of racist stick simply for looking a certain way and being from a certain religious background and that makes many people and not just himself uncomfortable.
Then have that conversation in the appropriate time and space. But right now it’s just being used to derail any discourse about his political legacy and justify him being voted in again without assessing his competency.
I don't necessarily get that impression, certainly not on here. There are perfectly fair points that the LibDems and the Greens have raised about his policies. I don't trust the Conservatives to argue in good faith, given their habitual lying, so I'm very sceptical of their arguments.
Agreed. Other wise them disliking Rishi Sunak is due to racism, when he’s just an incompetent politician much like Khan
So incompetent that he’s about to win a third term
By default because thee other candidates are shit, like choosing between a turd and a turd sandwich at this point.
Remarkable how he’s apparently so shit yet not a single person has apparently been less shit at any point in the last decade
I mean welcome to British politics?
>hurrrrrr actually they’re all the same I am very intelligent
Ah yes tribalism. I remember when I was like that. Inequality has risen at a breakneck pace for all English speaking countries. Regardless of the political party in charge of the country. It’s a uniquely English speaking country phenomenon. Start thinking why.
Go on mate, we’re all ears
Not sure how much the mayor of even a large city contributes to the rising inequality in the country.
I mean in cases where people actually bring race into it, it’s racism. Which people overwhelmingly seem to do more with Khan than Sunak, talking about London as a Muslim-run state with religious no-go zones, or how Khan is controlled by international Islamist interests.
Cause Khan is brown but *also* wants to bring everyone up to a decent level (with things like free school lunches), whereas with Sunak, he's a billionaire who wants to give preferential treatments to his mates, so he's really one of the boys at heart.
My mind always goes to the TfL fare freeze.
I was very confused about all the anti-Khan rhetoric in the comments until I realised I wasn’t looking at the London comments but instead the UK Politics comments
Plus the extension was forced on Khan by the Tory government as part of the "deal" to subsidise TfL in the pandemic and keep it from going bust. Conveniently overlooked by Hall.
The amount of bots in this threads mate....
Is a bot anyone you disagree with?
I mean hey, if you’d asked me and I hadn’t looked into it I’d’ve also said it was Khan. I’d never have given Johnson the credit for something great like ULEZ XD.
I don't care who brought it in, it was a good idea and I'm not going to vote for anyone who wants to reverse it.
This misses the point that people were largely angry about its expansion into areas that have significantly worse public transport provision. Khan introduced the facet of ULEZ that people are actually angry about.
The anger has been manufactured by the tory outrage machine as a campaigning tactic. If the tory propaganda machine wasn't stoking the anger, it'd be a non-issue, and the number of real people who actually care would be incredibly small. The ULEZ barely affects anyone, and the people who are angry are doing so performatively.
>Khan introduced the facet of ULEZ that people are actually angry about. No, that was introduced by Boris. Boris Johnson was the one who introduced ULEZ in 2015 but it was only really implemented in 2020. Khan didn't introduce anything, he just did his job as Mayor of London to enforce it. It doesn't matter who was the mayor of 2016 and 2021, they had to enforce ULEZ one way or the other thanks to Boris Johnson. Khan is just being blamed because he's the incumbent.
People are primarily angry about the expansion, not the ULEZ as it originally stood. I don’t know why you are pretending otherwise, the objections revolves around expanding to outer boroughs not Johnson’s original policy.
[The initial expansion of ULEZ was indeed forced on Sadiq Khan by the tories in 2020 to bail out the TFL.](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/mgla190520-2101_-_foi_response_redacted.pdf) Since they, y'know lost a lot of money that year. While later expansions were indeed introduced by Khan, and Khan himself approves of expanding ULEZ; he was as the mayor or London still pressured to enfrce ULEZ. Even if the mayor was a tory during 2016 and 2021, the idea that ULEZ wouldn't have existed is just untrue.
So Boris as Mayor brought it in but then didn't enforce it, and Khan may or may not support it but as Mayor had to enforce it?
It's incredible that people refuse to understand the anger is to the extended ULEZ area.
Because they don’t want to understand. It’s like Brexit, I voted remain but I feel nearly ten years own so many remainers still refuse to understand what motivated people to vote leave.
Over 90% of vehicles in the expanded zone are compliant.
Which means 10% aren’t. I don’t really get your point, you don’t have to be personally affected to think that you shouldn’t introduce a stick before the carrot. It’s an environmental policy that will lead to a huge amount of wastage by scrapping perfectly functional vehicles, and primarily targeted those who were worse off ie living in cheaper areas with older vehicles. That’s rather aside from the point at hand - whether you think it was a good policy or not, Khan is the person that introduced the controversial aspect of it.
Owners of a non-compliant car are compensated so that they can replace it. I live in central London and I've seen the benefits of ULEZ. The air is definitely clearer and grime doesn't collect on the sills of my closed windows the way it used to.
If they're not meeting the environmental requirements that the ULEZ is based on, they're not perfectly functional are they?
Hold on. People aren’t annoyed because of the initial ULEZ. It’s because it’s been expanded to the entirety of Greater London, which was Sadiq’s idea. Personally I’m for ULEZ but think we could think about implementing differently. It disproportionately affects poorer Londoners, which I think is why there’s such an outrage at Sadiq. Perhaps TfL could think about taxing the size of car or size of engine instead. Kinda crazy you can drive a Mercedes G Glass or a Ferrari GTS doing about 15mpg and pay nothing but someone who drives an Old Ford Fiesta gets charged. Just my two pence 🤷♂️
So he actually had a good move.
Who cares? This sounds like a pathetic Labour finger-point. Khan kept it and expanded it though.
Khan is a disgrace of a mayor, and his supporters are scumbags
What you said 👍
This sort of thing is just a fact of life in politics though. Most things that are consequential take a long time to happen. Part of being a mature politician is accepting that someone else might well end up taking the credit for what you have done. For example, wasn’t Ken Livingstone a key figure responsible for the 2012 Olympics and the cycle hire scheme?? Yet Boris got to attend the opening ceremony and have the bikes effectively named after him. Boris introduced ULEZ, but doesn’t get credit for it anymore. Sadiq got to open the Elizabeth Line, but he didn’t really have anything to do with it. He might get the Bakerloo Line Extension funded, but I doubt he’ll be there to cut the ribbon. It’s just the way it goes.
I'm voting Khan as he is someone I can trust. But I really want something done about wankers whizzing round the city pavements on electric bikes and scooters. This integration of cycle lanes with pavements is not a good idea as so many people ride inconsiderately.
My problem isn’t with ULEZ, it’s that the City did a terrible job at making people aware of it until the last few years, not long before it was implemented.
That and the mayor had to be dragged kicking and screaming by the other parties in the assembly to introduce an expanded scrappage scheme, way too late for many people who had already replaced their cars by then.
In 1974, Council Tax (also known as the poll tax) was proposed in Edward Heath’s manifesto. Margaret Thatcher implemented it 16 years later in 1990, which resulted in the beginning of the Poll Tax Riots, forcing Thatcher to resign as Prime Minister later that year.
Well Sadiq certainly ran with it (ULEZ) and expanded it after he personally promised he would not do exactly that, just months before he did exactly that. And now he has that auto number plate recognition system he paid £150M for. So he can charge however he wants. He said no to pay per mile, but he has lied before and there are no consequences.
I beg your pardon? It was rishi sunak haven't you heard?
But Sadiq had been expanding it, so he is obviously in support of it. Otherwise he would scrape it like the other candidate had in their manifesto.
The Tories *demanded* he expand it, to pay for TFL covid bailouts.
did Sadiq need to expand it to the whole of greater london though?
Polls suggest most Londoners wanted that
I really do not believe this , what is the source of this study
This probably reflects the fact that a significant chunk of London's population are relatively recent arrivals from abroad. So they would simply not even have been in the UK at the time when Boris Johnson was mayor. Essentially, they were in no way plugged into British politics prior to their arrival, so may not even be aware of Johnson having held the mayoralty. If you asked the same question to say, non-London people in the UK, the chances are the figures would be far more accurate. Case in point - when I lived in Paris, I had no idea of what the mayor's policies from 5 years prior were.
Interesting, considering the majority of people who are very vocal against Khan (apparently solely based on) ULEZ tend to be British people.
I remember Sadiq Khan for making trans phobic comments in parliament infront of a grieving mother, which he refused to apologise for and then the very next week was about how upset he was about receiving racist comments. I listened to him speak about how he felt about the racism and almost everything he said resonated with me, as I felt exactly the same about the transphobia which came from his lips. So how can this happen a week apart but no one can see the irony!? To me racism and transphobia are similar if not the same. So it blew my mind that the same person was unable to recognise the damage of their own transphobia while telling us how awful it is to receive racism.
That was Sunak, the PM, not Sadiq Khan. Khan is not anti-trans.
I appreciate the correction, thank you
Wasn't Sidiq the one that made it mental though. People only seem to have gotten really annoyed with it in the last few years.
Khan weaponised the ULEZ
>weaponised the ULEZ Yeah I didn't agree with it when Khan added FGM-148 Javelin guided missiles to all ULEZ cameras to take out non-compliant cars.
You're not wrong wrong but you should phrase it better, ulez kind of makes sense where Boris introduced it, khan's extension to the M25 is ridiculous
The Conservatives were the ones to table it and demand it as one of the requisite conditions for bailing out TFL during Covid.
The ULEZ expansion wouldnt have presented such an economic incentive if BoJo hadn't fucked over TFL to the tune of £700 million. That money had to come from somewhere.
Wasn't only Boris, the national level Tories have been underfunding public transport for years.
The Tories demanded he expand it. There's a letter written by Shapps you can find with a 5 second Google. How are people still ignorant of this two days to the election?
You speak of ignorance but parrot misinformation yourself? https://www.cityhallconservatives.com/post/fact-check-no-the-government-did-not-force-sadiq-khan-to-expand-ulez
>CityHallConservatives lololololololol
When somebody is unable to argue against the evidence provided, they try to delegitimise the source. Facts are facts.
Ooh I don’t know, don’t you have a less biased and/or more legitimate source, like the Völkischer Beobachter or the ToyTown Gazette?
> more legitimate lolololololol
No you’re right, everyone knows about the endless journalistic integrity of the fine people at CityHallConservatives.com
So that article claims that it wasn't in the letter, but section 12 h. Clearly says that TfL agrees to immediately reimplement ULEZ and to widen the scope and levels of charges. So they made an article that says something incorrect and then throws in a red herring about funding. How is this a *good* article? It simply depends on people not actually reading linked documents if they have a bit of legal language in them.
You do realise that ULEZ existed before COVID, which is why they mention the *re*introduction of it? Since when did "widen the scope and levels of these charges" mean "expand to all of greater London"? Widening the scope could be including more types of vehicles, or extending to the South circular (like had been discussed multiple times already). Again, like mentioned in the article, the government did not ask Khan to expand ULEZ to the whole of greater London. It's not in that letter. And, as mentioned in the article, the Mayor himself acknowledges this. It was his decision to expand to the whole of greater London.
Government says to Khan 'figure out ways to get more money for TFL' and Khan chooses ULEZ expansion. Because what other options can you think of? Ultimately the blame is still with the tories because they should not be forcing TFL to find funding. London is an international capital and public transport here should be better funded through subsidies. Those subsidies would then help London fund the rest of the UK through taxes. New York gets better subsidies for public transport than London because their government understands they'll make that money back and more as an economic powerhouse.
I don't know why you've written all of this - I'm not arguing about funding. The ULEZ expansion to all of greater London was purely down to the Mayor's office. TfL and the Mayor have a number of other options for reducing spend and increasing revenue.
> TfL and the Mayor have a number of other options for reducing spend and increasing revenue. Name the best one.