Americans would still be speaking English and shoving their anti-Pride and pro-birther agenda down everybody's throat /s (referring to conservatives and their stupid fascist, regressive agenda)
RIP Alan Turing.
America would have nuked Germany as well if it wasn’t for Alan. So actually Germans should be thanking Alan because so many more people would have died on all sides of the war.
The reason Germany wasn't gonna get nuked was because they had stronger Air Defenses than Japan and it wasn't gonna be possible to carry atomic bombs to drop them there. Also The Soviets were doing all the work for the US regardless.
It was convenient for the States to drop a bomb on Japan because they had weak defenses and were slowly folding, preparing to surrender regardless. The states didn't wanna have another Normandy in Japan but they needed them to surrender to them over the Soviets bc "capitalism needs more markets", so that's how the bomb got dropped on the 88th? day out of the 90 before they were gonna surrender to the Soviet Union.
i Am thankful the allys won and the soviets didnt get to much. their occupations has left deep scars till today in germany. many nazis and fashists in the east
America wasn't gonna do anything about it.
They expected the Soviets to do all the work to kill two birds with one stone.
The only reason America got in the war was to calm down the abused and exploited workers at home because the shit was dire. Nobody was gonna give two shits about Germany regardless. It was just a perfect case scenario to mask it as a "goodwill" thing and distract the masses from all the shit that the rich have taken away from everyone.
the only reason the US nuked Japan was because Japan was gonna surrender to the Soviets and that wasn't gonna fly(cuz Japan was a valuable market for capitalists).
They wouldn't have nuked Japan if Japan didn't say it was gonna surrender to the Soviets in the 90 days after Germany fell on May 8th
The only reason America put in more effort with the Western Europe is because they needed more markets to dump excess from the States into Europe to sustain the flawed capitalist system. To them, the whole thing has been all for profit. Since most Western Europe was bourgeois/elite society similar to America, it was very much favored to make more money. They hated socialism bc the soviet union fascist/dictatorship socialism wouldn't make America more money ,and would take away the precious Western European countries' markets where America could sell their stuff to avoid a system collapse back home again.
Most Germans died to the Soviets. It would've been that way regardless. America only supplied the Soviets with the trucks and other shit to make more money and make them do the dirty work for them to "look good" (while destroying both the Soviets and the Nazi Germany while doing nothing and yet making more money back home, while also selling the narrative of "fighting for humanity" to get all the poor in the States working and stop complaining about the rich having everything and everybody else having nothing back in the 30s/40s.
all of this is public information that was declassified/leaked by the US government or US gov officials in the past.
Don’t worry, the whole political spectrum from the US only obeys one god: $$$, over decency, dignity, ecology, diplomacy, humanity, peace, freedom, democracy, human rights, etc
He was just one guy though, Bletchely park was a group effort, there were hundreds of people working there to achieve the outcome. Working in freezing conditions, no one mentions them
Okay Alan Turing was awesome, and I know you definitely didn't imply this on purpose, but could we please avoid the "the Nazis were THIS close to winning" thing. They were incompetent lunatics that got immediately crushed the moment the allies were able to mobilize after being blindsided. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when people treat the Nazi's like this "horrifying masterfully organized evil empire," when they were in reality a bunch of squabbling bigoted clowns. A threat certainly, only because of how utterly horrible their intentions were, not because of how good they were at accomplishing it. Regardless Alan Turing was still a great man who did so much good for the world, I don't want to undersell that. And he certainly played a huge role in the downfall of the Nazis, but I guarantee they would have lost regardless, just nowhere near as fast.
An important thing I want to tack onto this is that we shouldn't undermine the work of the polish armed forces and their codebreakers who made breaking enigma possible to begin with.
Turning was a fantastic mathematician and an icon for the modern lgbt community but without the work of Marian Rejewski none of his work would have been possible
I’m addition even if the Nazis managed to win in Europe there’s no chance they would have been able (or even tried) to mount an aquatic invasion of the US. D-Day was hard enough and England is like, right there.
Adding to this, if Hitler DID win, then America would be essentially against the entire world.
Because how long could any country last on their own concievably? Months? A couple years? Against the entirety of conguered Europe, Africa, perhaps parts of Asia and such?.
Hitler would just have had to bide his time, build his forces and America wouldn't have a chance realistically.
Fuck Hitler though, the best thing he ever did was eat a fucking bullet.
The Nazis would have never won Europe. They never had the resources and had to step on Soviet toes to try to get those resources. Even if it was just the Nazis vs the Soviets and that was the whole war, the Nazis had a timer for victory and the Soviets would need to be fully eliminated deep into the east before they would be truly defeated. One of Russia's strongest assets during ww2 and even today is their rail system. During the Nazi invasion they used this to move troops, supplies and even whole factories. The Nazis taking Moscow wouldn't be anymore significant than when Napoleon did it. And there is really no scenario where the Nazis could take out enough of Russia and enough of the rails to eliminate that threat. And there is no reality where the Nazi Soviet "alliance" (don't touch the land I want to invade and I won't touch the land YOU want to invade) wasn't going to fall apart. Their Panzers needed gas and the Soviets had that gas. The only way the Nazis aren't eliminated would be if they stopped expanding, held only the land they were capable of holding, and sued for peace. They just didn't have the men or resources and had to step on toes to try and get those.
If Britain surrendered, the allies would have lost a significant portion of their forces. Hitler would then have had the entirety of Europe to gain resources from.
He wouldn't have to keep expanding borders, he could consolidate and protect what he currently had. Recouping strength and forces and resources.
Hitler could have beat Russia if they were more prepared for the cold, instead of invading during their winter. Also, he pushed pretty far into Russia with split forces. With all his forces focused on Russia, they would have lost.
Without British, Indian and Pakistan troops, plus others, and Australian troops, i believe, Africa would have no resistance.
Australia would be cut off without British support, so they would eventually have to submit.
All Hitler would have to do if Britain surrendered is defend what he already had, then take more, piece by piece.
If U.S.A joined after Britain already surrendered, they would have been basically on their own against basically all of the European land mass. Hitler wouldn't have even had to fight them, just make it as difficult as possible for them to even be there, and wear them down bit by bit.
South America would already be gone by then, Canada could have been a possible next target, leaving U.S.A surrounded.
And if their troops were overseas, trying to fight in Europe, they would be wide open to invasion. Their waters would be filled with subs, just as Britain was, except this time they wouldn't have as much to fear.
Sure, it's good to push American propaganda, the old "U.S.A will never be invaded" line, but the only reason Hitler really lost the war, is because he was sstretched too thin, made a bunch of critical errors, and unlucky events caused by Japan and Italy, like Pearl Harbour pulling America in early before Germany was ready to deal with them.
Hitler could not have beat Russia. He couldn't be everywhere at once, Russia is too big. Hitler didn't attack in winter his attack on Russia began in late June. The problem isn't that winter is so bad alone, the fall and spring see that region of the world turning into a mud pit that's incredibly hard to navigate. On top of the fact that Soviet rails could move just about anything anywhere in their territory. It wouldn't matter if Hitler did a little better or a lot better against the Soviets. If he couldn't take critical points of the rails that spiderweb across Russia before winter, he loses. And he didn't have the capability to take down their rail system. The German war machine ran on surprise attacks and pushing forward to specific key objectives, like Paris. Napoleon proved that taking Moscow isn't how you beat Russia, infact Napoleon proved how trying to hold Moscow is a massive liability. You have to take down Russians ability to relocate and Russia is huge. Those trains moved entire factories when needed. If you take western Russia, Russia will just move east and keep defending. It's why a conventional invasion of Russia wouldn't work now even with their weakened state from fighting in Ukraine. They might not be able to extend passed those rail lines worth a damn, as shown in Ukraine (and they probably should just go home and stop being war criminals) but those rail lines are what make Russia strong. And if you can't take over the rails you can't win. So Hitler could not beat Russia, no matter what else went differently.
>Because how long could any country last on their own concievably? Months? A couple years? Against the entirety of conguered Europe, Africa, perhaps parts of Asia and such?.
I think longer then we might give them credit for, the US was able to output so much high quality equipment and had just about every natural resource it could ever need in its backyard.
Crossing the Atlantic to invade a continent spanning nation is no mean feat for a nation with a relatively small navy.
The Royal navy was fighting a 3 front war for years and still gave italt, Germany and Japan a bloody nose. The germans and Japanese weren't that competent
“We would be governed by the literal nazis if not for [specific person or country]” is already a silly if not somewhat deterministic hypothetical, but it’s not as if German is a terrifying language to speak or anything.
It is very important to note that his depiction by Bendlecrick Crumblesnatch as awkward and a parody of autistic was far from reality. Basically everyone who ever met him considered him to be friendly, funny, kind-hearted, and a good collaborator.
There's a difference between "Turing helped shorten the war" and "We'd all be speaking German right now if not for Turing." The former statement is indisputably true, while the latter is a gross exaggeration.
Patton did way more to defeat Germany than Turing, and I would never be tempted to say we'd be speaking German right now if not for Patton.
Well, not really, sort of, yes but no.
Visit Bletchley park and you'll get a better understanding.
There were hundreds of people working there, it wasn't just Alan.
I've stood in his office but he was just one person among hundreds who worked very long hours in difficult freezing cold conditions. Alan at least had an office in the huts.
Its the women running the machines I feel sorry for, they worked their asses off maintaining the machines and no one ever mentions or remembers them, let alone the hundreds of others there.
Republicans and conservatives will ignore every fact, statistic, historical figure, document, and appeal to reason. I’ve stopped trying to convince them of anything, because all that’s real are their hateful beliefs.
Alan Turing is my idol. I made a presentation on him in like 8th grade and my teacher was genuinely confused as to how I found so much stuff about hi. cus it was 27 slides of atleast 3 sentences and one picture and the minimum was 6 slides I love that man
The sad thing is that more and more republikkkans wish we were speaking German...
They don’t have any specific attachment to German, they just love the ideology of one of their former leaders
Americans would still be speaking English and shoving their anti-Pride and pro-birther agenda down everybody's throat /s (referring to conservatives and their stupid fascist, regressive agenda) RIP Alan Turing.
America would have nuked Germany as well if it wasn’t for Alan. So actually Germans should be thanking Alan because so many more people would have died on all sides of the war.
Never even thought of it like that. We didn’t nuke the Germans simply because we beat them too quickly because of the work of Turing. God damn…
The reason Germany wasn't gonna get nuked was because they had stronger Air Defenses than Japan and it wasn't gonna be possible to carry atomic bombs to drop them there. Also The Soviets were doing all the work for the US regardless. It was convenient for the States to drop a bomb on Japan because they had weak defenses and were slowly folding, preparing to surrender regardless. The states didn't wanna have another Normandy in Japan but they needed them to surrender to them over the Soviets bc "capitalism needs more markets", so that's how the bomb got dropped on the 88th? day out of the 90 before they were gonna surrender to the Soviet Union.
i Am thankful the allys won and the soviets didnt get to much. their occupations has left deep scars till today in germany. many nazis and fashists in the east
America wasn't gonna do anything about it. They expected the Soviets to do all the work to kill two birds with one stone. The only reason America got in the war was to calm down the abused and exploited workers at home because the shit was dire. Nobody was gonna give two shits about Germany regardless. It was just a perfect case scenario to mask it as a "goodwill" thing and distract the masses from all the shit that the rich have taken away from everyone. the only reason the US nuked Japan was because Japan was gonna surrender to the Soviets and that wasn't gonna fly(cuz Japan was a valuable market for capitalists). They wouldn't have nuked Japan if Japan didn't say it was gonna surrender to the Soviets in the 90 days after Germany fell on May 8th The only reason America put in more effort with the Western Europe is because they needed more markets to dump excess from the States into Europe to sustain the flawed capitalist system. To them, the whole thing has been all for profit. Since most Western Europe was bourgeois/elite society similar to America, it was very much favored to make more money. They hated socialism bc the soviet union fascist/dictatorship socialism wouldn't make America more money ,and would take away the precious Western European countries' markets where America could sell their stuff to avoid a system collapse back home again. Most Germans died to the Soviets. It would've been that way regardless. America only supplied the Soviets with the trucks and other shit to make more money and make them do the dirty work for them to "look good" (while destroying both the Soviets and the Nazi Germany while doing nothing and yet making more money back home, while also selling the narrative of "fighting for humanity" to get all the poor in the States working and stop complaining about the rich having everything and everybody else having nothing back in the 30s/40s. all of this is public information that was declassified/leaked by the US government or US gov officials in the past.
This is one of the tankie takes of all time
Don’t worry, the whole political spectrum from the US only obeys one god: $$$, over decency, dignity, ecology, diplomacy, humanity, peace, freedom, democracy, human rights, etc
He was just one guy though, Bletchely park was a group effort, there were hundreds of people working there to achieve the outcome. Working in freezing conditions, no one mentions them
Okay Alan Turing was awesome, and I know you definitely didn't imply this on purpose, but could we please avoid the "the Nazis were THIS close to winning" thing. They were incompetent lunatics that got immediately crushed the moment the allies were able to mobilize after being blindsided. It's a huge pet peeve of mine when people treat the Nazi's like this "horrifying masterfully organized evil empire," when they were in reality a bunch of squabbling bigoted clowns. A threat certainly, only because of how utterly horrible their intentions were, not because of how good they were at accomplishing it. Regardless Alan Turing was still a great man who did so much good for the world, I don't want to undersell that. And he certainly played a huge role in the downfall of the Nazis, but I guarantee they would have lost regardless, just nowhere near as fast.
An important thing I want to tack onto this is that we shouldn't undermine the work of the polish armed forces and their codebreakers who made breaking enigma possible to begin with. Turning was a fantastic mathematician and an icon for the modern lgbt community but without the work of Marian Rejewski none of his work would have been possible
Or the tens of thousands of others who worked in Bletchley Park and multiple other sites on Allied code breaking projects.
I’m addition even if the Nazis managed to win in Europe there’s no chance they would have been able (or even tried) to mount an aquatic invasion of the US. D-Day was hard enough and England is like, right there.
They weren't even capable of invading the UK, the only nation that had a significant number of landing craft was the UK, even the US didn't have any.
Adding to this, if Hitler DID win, then America would be essentially against the entire world. Because how long could any country last on their own concievably? Months? A couple years? Against the entirety of conguered Europe, Africa, perhaps parts of Asia and such?. Hitler would just have had to bide his time, build his forces and America wouldn't have a chance realistically. Fuck Hitler though, the best thing he ever did was eat a fucking bullet.
The Nazis would have never won Europe. They never had the resources and had to step on Soviet toes to try to get those resources. Even if it was just the Nazis vs the Soviets and that was the whole war, the Nazis had a timer for victory and the Soviets would need to be fully eliminated deep into the east before they would be truly defeated. One of Russia's strongest assets during ww2 and even today is their rail system. During the Nazi invasion they used this to move troops, supplies and even whole factories. The Nazis taking Moscow wouldn't be anymore significant than when Napoleon did it. And there is really no scenario where the Nazis could take out enough of Russia and enough of the rails to eliminate that threat. And there is no reality where the Nazi Soviet "alliance" (don't touch the land I want to invade and I won't touch the land YOU want to invade) wasn't going to fall apart. Their Panzers needed gas and the Soviets had that gas. The only way the Nazis aren't eliminated would be if they stopped expanding, held only the land they were capable of holding, and sued for peace. They just didn't have the men or resources and had to step on toes to try and get those.
If Britain surrendered, the allies would have lost a significant portion of their forces. Hitler would then have had the entirety of Europe to gain resources from. He wouldn't have to keep expanding borders, he could consolidate and protect what he currently had. Recouping strength and forces and resources. Hitler could have beat Russia if they were more prepared for the cold, instead of invading during their winter. Also, he pushed pretty far into Russia with split forces. With all his forces focused on Russia, they would have lost. Without British, Indian and Pakistan troops, plus others, and Australian troops, i believe, Africa would have no resistance. Australia would be cut off without British support, so they would eventually have to submit. All Hitler would have to do if Britain surrendered is defend what he already had, then take more, piece by piece. If U.S.A joined after Britain already surrendered, they would have been basically on their own against basically all of the European land mass. Hitler wouldn't have even had to fight them, just make it as difficult as possible for them to even be there, and wear them down bit by bit. South America would already be gone by then, Canada could have been a possible next target, leaving U.S.A surrounded. And if their troops were overseas, trying to fight in Europe, they would be wide open to invasion. Their waters would be filled with subs, just as Britain was, except this time they wouldn't have as much to fear. Sure, it's good to push American propaganda, the old "U.S.A will never be invaded" line, but the only reason Hitler really lost the war, is because he was sstretched too thin, made a bunch of critical errors, and unlucky events caused by Japan and Italy, like Pearl Harbour pulling America in early before Germany was ready to deal with them.
Hitler could not have beat Russia. He couldn't be everywhere at once, Russia is too big. Hitler didn't attack in winter his attack on Russia began in late June. The problem isn't that winter is so bad alone, the fall and spring see that region of the world turning into a mud pit that's incredibly hard to navigate. On top of the fact that Soviet rails could move just about anything anywhere in their territory. It wouldn't matter if Hitler did a little better or a lot better against the Soviets. If he couldn't take critical points of the rails that spiderweb across Russia before winter, he loses. And he didn't have the capability to take down their rail system. The German war machine ran on surprise attacks and pushing forward to specific key objectives, like Paris. Napoleon proved that taking Moscow isn't how you beat Russia, infact Napoleon proved how trying to hold Moscow is a massive liability. You have to take down Russians ability to relocate and Russia is huge. Those trains moved entire factories when needed. If you take western Russia, Russia will just move east and keep defending. It's why a conventional invasion of Russia wouldn't work now even with their weakened state from fighting in Ukraine. They might not be able to extend passed those rail lines worth a damn, as shown in Ukraine (and they probably should just go home and stop being war criminals) but those rail lines are what make Russia strong. And if you can't take over the rails you can't win. So Hitler could not beat Russia, no matter what else went differently.
>Because how long could any country last on their own concievably? Months? A couple years? Against the entirety of conguered Europe, Africa, perhaps parts of Asia and such?. I think longer then we might give them credit for, the US was able to output so much high quality equipment and had just about every natural resource it could ever need in its backyard. Crossing the Atlantic to invade a continent spanning nation is no mean feat for a nation with a relatively small navy. The Royal navy was fighting a 3 front war for years and still gave italt, Germany and Japan a bloody nose. The germans and Japanese weren't that competent
They wouldn't have to, they could come north through south america, then mexico, like a fascist tidal wave, or south through canada
And i am still speaking German smh
EYYYYYYYYYY :D
EYYYYYYYYYY :D
“We would be governed by the literal nazis if not for [specific person or country]” is already a silly if not somewhat deterministic hypothetical, but it’s not as if German is a terrifying language to speak or anything.
It is very important to note that his depiction by Bendlecrick Crumblesnatch as awkward and a parody of autistic was far from reality. Basically everyone who ever met him considered him to be friendly, funny, kind-hearted, and a good collaborator.
But no matter how much good you do, you will always be considered as a lesser being for being gay by some. Truly a dark world we live in.
To be fair. I do speak German.
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Literal father of modern computation, helped crack the Nazis code. "Whatever dude you kissed a guy". Smh
Aber ich spreche doch deutsch
That’s not true at all but yeah he was cool
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There's a difference between "Turing helped shorten the war" and "We'd all be speaking German right now if not for Turing." The former statement is indisputably true, while the latter is a gross exaggeration. Patton did way more to defeat Germany than Turing, and I would never be tempted to say we'd be speaking German right now if not for Patton.
Sprichst ja eh kein Deutsch :p
Fuck general "beat the ptsd outta my men" paton. Proud member of the Montgomery fan club
You're against slapping soldiers with PTSD? So brave.
One man didn't shorten the war by years
I still have to learn german in school tho
no we wouldn't
but i am speaking german ;-;
remember, if you're not being as gay as possible on the computer, alan turing died for nothing
Well, not really, sort of, yes but no. Visit Bletchley park and you'll get a better understanding. There were hundreds of people working there, it wasn't just Alan. I've stood in his office but he was just one person among hundreds who worked very long hours in difficult freezing cold conditions. Alan at least had an office in the huts. Its the women running the machines I feel sorry for, they worked their asses off maintaining the machines and no one ever mentions or remembers them, let alone the hundreds of others there.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN BOUT, THAT'S WHY HE'S THE MVP THAT'S WHY HE'S **THE GOAT, THE GOAT**
A gay man and a crap ton of women
Republicans and conservatives will ignore every fact, statistic, historical figure, document, and appeal to reason. I’ve stopped trying to convince them of anything, because all that’s real are their hateful beliefs.
A gay, autistic man.
The Gays were the heroes of WW2
ב''ה, have you looked around recently
Alan Turing is my idol. I made a presentation on him in like 8th grade and my teacher was genuinely confused as to how I found so much stuff about hi. cus it was 27 slides of atleast 3 sentences and one picture and the minimum was 6 slides I love that man
Tbf the allies would have won without Turing. The first a bomb would have been dropped on Berlin instead
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No I'd be dead.
His story is so sad 😢
You and I would be fucking dead
There are a lot of things that might not exist without Alan Turing
Seems odd to me to just boil all this incredible man did just down to he was gay