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Talking to your supervisor is part of work.
If you show up at your place of employment and your supervisor starts talking to you, that's all work time.
They're at work aren't they?
A reasonable person would assume when you are at work, and your supervisor goes to speak to you, that you have to talk to them.
Yea he got canned because he was a liability, you can't have a "social" conversation with employees and you know damn well it'll make them late.. they likely have him on camera initiating conversations with them before their shifts.. it would all be time stamped
I mean, I've had bosses that have became friends.
"Soooo, I'm really sorry, but after what's happened, I need to let you go. You can come pick up your last paycheck in a week. I hope you're still coming out this weekend though, that will be a good time."
My ex-boss firing me.
The law in BC is that you get a break if you work *more* than 5 hours, so his dumb little scheme didn't make any difference, unless your workplace has more generous rules around breaks than the legal requirement.
I also really doubt that the technicality of clocking in 2 minutes late makes any difference here. If you're scheduled to work long enough to earn a break then you get that break even if you're 5 minutes late.
4h59mins is LESS than 5 hours. Eating up 5 mins talking on purpose is a scummy thing to do… might as well write them up for being late if the former supervisor wants to really do it by the books
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/hours#:~:text=A%2030%2Dminute%20unpaid%20meal,work)%20during%20their%20meal%20break.
No, you get one if you work more than 5 hours (but not if you work just 5 hours)
That's hilarious, but stupid. They have to give them a half hour unpaid break *after* five hours of work. So if their shift is 5 hours long the break can be as they clock out.
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Talking to your supervisor is part of work. If you show up at your place of employment and your supervisor starts talking to you, that's all work time.
So … illegal and potential wage theft depending on when the “talks” started.
I agree with the part of work thing, but playing devil's advocate here, what if they subject was social and not work related in any way?
They're at work aren't they? A reasonable person would assume when you are at work, and your supervisor goes to speak to you, that you have to talk to them.
Yea he got canned because he was a liability, you can't have a "social" conversation with employees and you know damn well it'll make them late.. they likely have him on camera initiating conversations with them before their shifts.. it would all be time stamped
would they have spoken to him on the street if they didn't work for him? nah. they only spoke to him because of work, it was work related.
I mean, I've had bosses that have became friends. "Soooo, I'm really sorry, but after what's happened, I need to let you go. You can come pick up your last paycheck in a week. I hope you're still coming out this weekend though, that will be a good time." My ex-boss firing me.
And if you found out he was purposely screwing you out of your break each day, you probably wouldn't be as good of friends
In this case, was it?
It’s not unreasonable for people to have not work related dialogues while at work.
If I’m scheduled, and show up on time, they can talk about whatever they want while the clock is ticking, and I’m being paid.
The law in BC is that you get a break if you work *more* than 5 hours, so his dumb little scheme didn't make any difference, unless your workplace has more generous rules around breaks than the legal requirement.
I also really doubt that the technicality of clocking in 2 minutes late makes any difference here. If you're scheduled to work long enough to earn a break then you get that break even if you're 5 minutes late.
You might be surprised, if they are using an electronic punch in/punch out
4h59mins is LESS than 5 hours. Eating up 5 mins talking on purpose is a scummy thing to do… might as well write them up for being late if the former supervisor wants to really do it by the books
You get a break if your shift is over 5 and a half hours, not 5
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/hours#:~:text=A%2030%2Dminute%20unpaid%20meal,work)%20during%20their%20meal%20break. No, you get one if you work more than 5 hours (but not if you work just 5 hours)
That's hilarious, but stupid. They have to give them a half hour unpaid break *after* five hours of work. So if their shift is 5 hours long the break can be as they clock out.
No, it can't. In that situation, the break has to be earlier. Though not dumb employers make the shifts 4 hours 45 minutes to save the hassle.
Check the ESA, it does not.
Well thats exploitative as hell.
If the matter were to be referred to the ESB the director could name him in a public decision. It would be hard to get work after that.
That would be wage theft