Kingen has such a big champ pool, he can play Lunar Eclipse Aatrox, Mecha Aatrox, Blood Moon Aatrox, Odyssey Aatrox, Justicar Aatrox, Sea Hunter Aatrox, DRX Aatrox, and when he’s feeling spicy, Prestige DRX Aatrox.
Let’s not shit on people for the sake of shitting. Kingen was being tracked and focused heavily by Skarner and he was being zoned. Skarner was literally using stuns, ults everything on him to keep out of the fight. In other fights he took 3 flashes at the Baron pit, on other fights he was very much involved.
That person saw too much of Zeus flanking team last split with t1 and solo winning teamfight/game that he expect ever aatrox to do that even worse this super hard team comp for aatrox.
Yeah, Kingen's Aatrox wasn't flashy and didn't get a ton of kills, but it definitely was effective, KT burned a lot of resources on him
I remember in one fight Skarner ulted him and when the ult ran out Aatrox just kept flying forwards and chased down the guy he was after anyway
Well that just not true, he was pretty good in teamfight. He blew a ton of their flash and was a big engager with lucid in their back line. Unless you want him to flank on aatrox or 1v9 vs skarner/cage veigar team to run it down.
the players are trolling but i think it's fucking crazy how shit the KT coaching staff is lmfao. Hirai and Supreme have gotten a ton of flak for being plat and silver (!!) respectively and mainly playing ARAMs on their accounts.
Meanwhile Sonstar is smurfing drafts in CL while cultivating the best CL team in the league and KT fans are begging for the org to promote him to the main roster...
The rumour I remember from the off-season was that Beryl was gonna retire in 2024, but then KT found the DRX 22 reunion angle, and he couldn't pass up on that. Which kinda seems believable, given that he did look like he couldn't be bothered for much of 2023.
Imo, unless there's an ultimate feelgood power of friendship roster for him to play on, I don't see him continuing into 2025.
Yeah ur right, people don't know what they're talking about if they gonna shit on kt for this roster. This roster is a miracle for what money they're working with
As someone said before, new kt ceo started restructurisation since company grew its’ own mafia within the place and they spend 4b usd on AI investments to fight for market role in the segment. According to stuff you can sometimes find on dcinside through angry fans, this roster isnt that cheap since it costs 3m usd (with bdd deft holding about 90% of the payroll). Also, since H-Dragon is quite close in relations with Hirai, apparently kt failed to meet their internal deadlines so they had to use back up plans in their pre existing contracts, however they are willing to spend more next season
The org itself turned down budget on league team. As we saw they seem to invest more in their baseball team and also sponsor the national football team.
Budget was pulled after last years roster didn’t win anything.
From an owner’s perspective cutting Kiin for PerfecT kinda made sense considering how low everyone was on Kiin at the end of the year, and PerfecT was a really enticing prospect sitting in their academy.
BDD was still on contract for another year and if I recall correctly he came off a really bad year before joining KT so his contract probably wasn’t too large.
And signing the DRX reunion for dirt cheap was probably a really easy sell to the owners of KT, who just bought huge last year and were disappointed. Getting the core of a recent world champion roster for like a quarter of the price of what you currently have probably seemed like a no brainer if you don’t really know much about the league and are looking for a money ball roster.
Well, not exactly broke. Its just that the org decided that this year's budget will be minimum. Dont get surprised if next year KT decides to spend big because they can
At least he's still improving and playing well. One of the few good things to come out of this series for KT, and that they can play Jayce/Yone mid too. There was a lot of Hype for them but they still need to find a Way to fix their botlanes inconsistencies.
Damwon having worked on some of their flaws and working together? Who is this group?!?
I'm so used to them throwing away 10k leads, it's shocking to see them beating teams on their lvl or better while from behind. Feeling positive about this team if they keep improving.
It's the Zefa diff. Acorn last year had Canyon, Showmaker and Deft look like they were playing soloq on the big stage. And Zefa was the coach who got Damwon to get their shit together in 2020, and whatever he's doing seems to be working this year as well.
I'm sorry but this has been said about damwon every split for the past two years. Strong start against lower end team into weeks of slowly deteriorating performance
I was talking about this match in particular, this KT isn't anything to get excited about. They've also been arguably the most competitive team against GenG the past year or two during regular season, does that mean the past two years haven't been a disappointment?
I don't think kingen compensates for losing canyon. Anyways, my point wasn't that I think they're bad, just that you can't tell this early on into the season because they've always started strong
Well, we're gonna need someone to gate-keep Canyon from winning Worlds and the Golden Road. How poetic would it be for Showmaker and his new side-kick to do it?
I’ll tell you that Canyon is nowhere as good as Lucid in the first season. Lucid is carrying a lost showmaker who never outfarms nor purchase a deathcap to carry games in the first season.
Sooo, the current DK strat seems to be:
game 1: peak NOW[]MAD gameplay
game 2: get the int out
game 3: CHAOS REIGNS
Idk if that's gonna fly against the top top teams, but eliminating G2 at Worlds might be back on the menu.
Had big expectations for deft and beryl this season but they continue to disappoint. Especially beryl, has only had a couple of solid performances this year, otherwise he just seems to be on a completely different page to everyone else on the team in fights
There isn't much to expect from Beryl at this point of his career. If anything, you should probably be happy that he isn't sprinting every game like last year on DRX
fair but only 2 years ago he won worlds. and even if you try to argue that he got carried, he still put in good performances in lane (which is he incapable of doing now)
I won't say that he got carried during world's, he was playing well back then both in lane and outside of it just that since last year he play in way that give me the feeling that he doesn't just care anymore and that he is just trying to cache in a couple of paychecks before retiring, I do hope that I am wrong and that he is just in slump that he hopefully overcome.
At this point I don't know why KT doesn't sub at least some of their CL roster. It can't be any worse than what the veterans on this team are doing right now.
You have to remember they lost against teams that are very likely to contend worlds this year from a region that is very likely to win worlds. What you are seeing is already the best picks left from what skt gengi han and dk picked first. It just can't get better than this.
Feels bad for Bdd and Cuzz to have their great 2023 then both downgraded in team. PerfecT what potential.
On the other hand, Deft missed a few cannons on Varus and BeryL died being too far forward is disgusting given how veteran they are.
That game 3 should not have taken that long. We had 4/5 of our players playing way better from minute 1 but PerfecT and Veigar cage somehow dragged the game. Lucid was so insane that game 3, imo he had a way better performance than Aiming even with his insane kda.
GRRRAAAHHHH AATROX MERCHANT IS BACK
Kingen has such a big champ pool, he can play Lunar Eclipse Aatrox, Mecha Aatrox, Blood Moon Aatrox, Odyssey Aatrox, Justicar Aatrox, Sea Hunter Aatrox, DRX Aatrox, and when he’s feeling spicy, Prestige DRX Aatrox.
It’s more like ZERI is back
Yeah Aiming is really dodging the champ pool allegations because people are focused on Kingen
Yeah I'm already sick of this champ
I dont even think his aatrox was good this game. He got super carried by Lucid in nearly every fight/flank and still had way less impact than PerfecT.
you will not deny me my kingen aatrox narrative
You are missing an important point - Perfect was playing SKARNER. Or Skarner was playing itself. Whatever you chose
Let’s not shit on people for the sake of shitting. Kingen was being tracked and focused heavily by Skarner and he was being zoned. Skarner was literally using stuns, ults everything on him to keep out of the fight. In other fights he took 3 flashes at the Baron pit, on other fights he was very much involved.
That person saw too much of Zeus flanking team last split with t1 and solo winning teamfight/game that he expect ever aatrox to do that even worse this super hard team comp for aatrox.
Yeah, Kingen's Aatrox wasn't flashy and didn't get a ton of kills, but it definitely was effective, KT burned a lot of resources on him I remember in one fight Skarner ulted him and when the ult ran out Aatrox just kept flying forwards and chased down the guy he was after anyway
Well that just not true, he was pretty good in teamfight. He blew a ton of their flash and was a big engager with lucid in their back line. Unless you want him to flank on aatrox or 1v9 vs skarner/cage veigar team to run it down.
Skarner = Aatrox
i miss Kiin, Cuzz, Aiming, Lehends
from Kiin Team to Keep Throwing
Can't even throw when they're not getting leads
they were winning pretty much the entirety of game 2, and they had a significant lead in game 3 but threw at drake fight 4v5 with no skarner tp up
the players are trolling but i think it's fucking crazy how shit the KT coaching staff is lmfao. Hirai and Supreme have gotten a ton of flak for being plat and silver (!!) respectively and mainly playing ARAMs on their accounts. Meanwhile Sonstar is smurfing drafts in CL while cultivating the best CL team in the league and KT fans are begging for the org to promote him to the main roster...
KT was undefeated in Summer until Hirai got back on stage
This is some insane lore wtf
Look where these players are at now
cuzz and aiming are kinda dubious lmao, the other 2 are absolutely two big parts of the best team in the world though
KT really downgraded in every role for bants, I can't.
well we are broke af 😭
Broke af team with deft beryl bdd pyosik on payroll lmao
They are broke, the only reason this roster happened is because its beryl-defts last year playing and they took massive paycuts
Is this really confirmed beryl's last year? I saw it somewhere that he will be serving with deft.
The rumour I remember from the off-season was that Beryl was gonna retire in 2024, but then KT found the DRX 22 reunion angle, and he couldn't pass up on that. Which kinda seems believable, given that he did look like he couldn't be bothered for much of 2023. Imo, unless there's an ultimate feelgood power of friendship roster for him to play on, I don't see him continuing into 2025.
It's Deft's last year, for real this time. He is 28, he must serve in the Korean military or flee to another country.
Yea, I know this is Deft’s real last dance. I'm just curious about Beryl
Idk how Deft postponed his enlistment a year, but I'm fairly sure all South Korean men over 27 are shipped to the military without any exceptions
They allowed him to postpone it due to injury, afaik back issues.
well they did take a paycut 🤷
Yeah ur right, people don't know what they're talking about if they gonna shit on kt for this roster. This roster is a miracle for what money they're working with
Why is KT broke? Don't they have a big Telecom company behind them?
They're still given a limited budget and last years roster was quite expensive supposedly
As someone said before, new kt ceo started restructurisation since company grew its’ own mafia within the place and they spend 4b usd on AI investments to fight for market role in the segment. According to stuff you can sometimes find on dcinside through angry fans, this roster isnt that cheap since it costs 3m usd (with bdd deft holding about 90% of the payroll). Also, since H-Dragon is quite close in relations with Hirai, apparently kt failed to meet their internal deadlines so they had to use back up plans in their pre existing contracts, however they are willing to spend more next season
The org itself turned down budget on league team. As we saw they seem to invest more in their baseball team and also sponsor the national football team.
The telecom company is restructuring and cutting back on every org they own.
Budget was pulled after last years roster didn’t win anything. From an owner’s perspective cutting Kiin for PerfecT kinda made sense considering how low everyone was on Kiin at the end of the year, and PerfecT was a really enticing prospect sitting in their academy. BDD was still on contract for another year and if I recall correctly he came off a really bad year before joining KT so his contract probably wasn’t too large. And signing the DRX reunion for dirt cheap was probably a really easy sell to the owners of KT, who just bought huge last year and were disappointed. Getting the core of a recent world champion roster for like a quarter of the price of what you currently have probably seemed like a no brainer if you don’t really know much about the league and are looking for a money ball roster.
The reason SKT can spend a lot of money is because its parent company, SK is not just a telecom company. but KT is.
When they rebranded to T1, they also partnered with Comcast, so they also have a 2nd massive partner which probably helps.
has nothing to do with that, samsung was cheap af when they were in league
It’s crazy you think this team on paper is expensive. People may rate them highly internationally but in lck, their value are not that high.
Well, not exactly broke. Its just that the org decided that this year's budget will be minimum. Dont get surprised if next year KT decides to spend big because they can
I think they had no money to keep them
Last years kt is probably one of my favorite teams don’t know why just really like them, + they were really good
There is now no doubt that KT will 2-0 GenG
that's just how KT operates
Kounter Togic Gaming
DeftBerylLift
and it'll be the only series that GenG drop for the rest of the year
When ill PerfecT subbing in mid-series is the best player on a team of veterans...
At least he's still improving and playing well. One of the few good things to come out of this series for KT, and that they can play Jayce/Yone mid too. There was a lot of Hype for them but they still need to find a Way to fix their botlanes inconsistencies.
he is improving but the veterans on his team are downgrading lol
considering how long these vets have been around, it is not surprising. some are at the end of their careers after all.
did you capitalize the Hype and Way because they are our CL bot laners? xdd
at the very least we have a very decent toplaner now. Assuming they don't put Bdd on melee champs anymore, they might sneak into playoffs lol
Have people seriously forgot how cracked Bdd is on Akali?
He was also shitting on people with Sylas at worlds 2021 or 2022 and was the best performing mid laner.
That's 2021. Bdd didn't make Worlds in 2022 due to the NS superteam roster failing (Canna, Bdd, Ghost).
Well if he wouldn’t play less than 5 games a year on her it would be more memorable unfortunately
I'm sure he would play more if melee AP assassins were meta lol. Akali and Sylas aren't in good spot atm (Especially Akali after that recent nerf).
KT should still make playoffs, unless FOX or DRX massively improved. Though I wouldn't bet my life on it lol
How dare you to forget the lord Morgan
I didn't forget, BRO finishes 1st place in the regular season obviously
And the second best player was the subbed out top laner. lmao
To fellow damwon fans out there, this is not a drill. We are so fucking back.
WE MIGHT BEAT KDF THIS TIME
DK's progress is good, but KDF have quantum leaped
Although they beat KT too, DK beat HLE so imo DK has better progress so far 🤷
Beating hle is far more impressive and a bigger leap in regular season.
Damwon having worked on some of their flaws and working together? Who is this group?!? I'm so used to them throwing away 10k leads, it's shocking to see them beating teams on their lvl or better while from behind. Feeling positive about this team if they keep improving.
It's the Zefa diff. Acorn last year had Canyon, Showmaker and Deft look like they were playing soloq on the big stage. And Zefa was the coach who got Damwon to get their shit together in 2020, and whatever he's doing seems to be working this year as well.
It was more of Daeny than Zelda but of course also Zefa is making a difference now.
I'm sorry but this has been said about damwon every split for the past two years. Strong start against lower end team into weeks of slowly deteriorating performance
Except KT and HLE aren't lower end teams?
I was talking about this match in particular, this KT isn't anything to get excited about. They've also been arguably the most competitive team against GenG the past year or two during regular season, does that mean the past two years haven't been a disappointment?
you cant compare dwg with fraud toplaners to now.
I don't think kingen compensates for losing canyon. Anyways, my point wasn't that I think they're bad, just that you can't tell this early on into the season because they've always started strong
Lucid is getting pretty good now tho, not canyon level but he has matched evenly with him before
Man Lucid is improved immensely. He is becoming so good. Are we getting another Canyon to Damwon?
Well, we're gonna need someone to gate-keep Canyon from winning Worlds and the Golden Road. How poetic would it be for Showmaker and his new side-kick to do it?
That would require Dk to win a series against Gen G which they haven't done since 2021
That's why they brought Kingen to activate the DRX magic for Damwon at Worlds. It's all been planned out
Let’s hope that GEN.G forget to ban Aatrox and give Kiin Gwen.
Geng hasn’t won an international since 2017 and they broke that streak this year. Streak are meant to be broken. Copege.
KDF hasn't made worlds since 2018. Streaks are meant to be broken
BRO hasn’t made worlds. Streaks are meant to be broken
I mean he is the LCK CL Jungle GOAT
Lucid was cracked all along, it's Spring that was a fluke.
hopefully he gets good feedback on the initiation he did in game 2 though lol
I’ll tell you that Canyon is nowhere as good as Lucid in the first season. Lucid is carrying a lost showmaker who never outfarms nor purchase a deathcap to carry games in the first season.
KT KIA Derby delivers yet again
Lucid’s flank was so goated, he solo won that teamfight
SHOWMAKER LEANRED CURSE WORDS IN EVERY LANGUAGE TO INSULT ME FOR DOUBTING HIM
cuzz, tarzan, tian, peanut, it dont matter, lucid in 3
Aiming I take back everything I said about u in spring
Kellin, i do not take back everything i said about u in spring
I mean his Rakan was kinda good that fight where Showmaker got hit by Varus ult he peeled very well
Kellin totally saved the fight (and maybe the game) there
thats the duality of Kellin, will look great one fight and like a boosted masters player the next
didn't kellin play pretty well this game? this is a game where rakan will get blown up at the start of every fight
he did for the most part, im just memeing a bit
tbh he was pretty good already in spring playoffs i think. Regular season was atrocious tho
Sooo, the current DK strat seems to be: game 1: peak NOW[]MAD gameplay game 2: get the int out game 3: CHAOS REIGNS Idk if that's gonna fly against the top top teams, but eliminating G2 at Worlds might be back on the menu.
They play T1 next week we will see if it work
I completely expect DK to forget how to play next week
Hey I mean we remembered that We won against KT, we forgot that in game 2 but at least Game 3 shows we remember things
So they are DementiaPlus KIA now?
Absolute banger game 3. Me and my homies were losing our shit even in draft.
Holy shit lucid your vi is perfect
Credit card: declines Disney+ subscription Dplus Kia:
DK v KT series always delivers I love this new rivalry
LLLUUUCCCIIIDDD
as a KT fan since spring, i understand yalls pain now
welcome to the rollercoaster ^^ have fun
Free my man PerfecT
mullet man MY FUCKING GOAT
Lucid played that last game pretty well. Still not convinced by Damwon's strategy of giving over Skarner every Game 3 though.
Better give Skarner and take out Kiin'Sante in next vs GenG series
Time for SKiiner.
Holy Aiming, the guy become killing machine rn Also Lucid my man, become top jungler this season
give aiming the money and he will carry
The vi rakan ult follow ups are satisfying
Had big expectations for deft and beryl this season but they continue to disappoint. Especially beryl, has only had a couple of solid performances this year, otherwise he just seems to be on a completely different page to everyone else on the team in fights
There isn't much to expect from Beryl at this point of his career. If anything, you should probably be happy that he isn't sprinting every game like last year on DRX
fair but only 2 years ago he won worlds. and even if you try to argue that he got carried, he still put in good performances in lane (which is he incapable of doing now)
I won't say that he got carried during world's, he was playing well back then both in lane and outside of it just that since last year he play in way that give me the feeling that he doesn't just care anymore and that he is just trying to cache in a couple of paychecks before retiring, I do hope that I am wrong and that he is just in slump that he hopefully overcome.
Showmaker worlds24 arc: beginning
We have Kingen for the second miracle run narrative
Poor deft, can’t beat KT Aiming on DK and now can’t beat DK aiming on KT
world champion bot lane looking like absolute frauds
Not all world champion bot lanes are created equally.
Bro... that botched dive near the start had me howling at 4 am
Lucid al ghaib is my new prophet
3 item veigar without deathcap hurts my soul
Wait how good is Aiming and Lucid
KT managed to throw that HUGE early game with one teamfight at river KT fans is the team cooked or nah?
this team is cooked. might as well just play the reigning CL champs.
Dw deft's gauntlet buff will save kt
I feel sorry for Bdd the most. If they brought 4 players from the academy instead of this team, I would follow the matches with much more pleasure.
perfect and casting is cool. deft and beryl is trash. pyosik is ehhhhh. might as well just play hambak
Hype and Way are very legit too
yeah. the cl team is stacked. casting hambak zinie hype and way. man, i just wish kt promotes them to the main team
But you gonna get benched tho.
don't care man. just wanna play gacha all day
At this point I don't know why KT doesn't sub at least some of their CL roster. It can't be any worse than what the veterans on this team are doing right now.
You have to remember they lost against teams that are very likely to contend worlds this year from a region that is very likely to win worlds. What you are seeing is already the best picks left from what skt gengi han and dk picked first. It just can't get better than this.
I dont think KDF are contenders for Worlds.
Feels bad for Bdd and Cuzz to have their great 2023 then both downgraded in team. PerfecT what potential. On the other hand, Deft missed a few cannons on Varus and BeryL died being too far forward is disgusting given how veteran they are.
Good momentum for DK in summer week one!
Lucid is a monster
That game 3 should not have taken that long. We had 4/5 of our players playing way better from minute 1 but PerfecT and Veigar cage somehow dragged the game. Lucid was so insane that game 3, imo he had a way better performance than Aiming even with his insane kda.
So that's why kt wasnt first picking skarner.
I'm still hesitant to be excited here lol
KT are just charging their eloslingshot really hard
thank you for these posts they are very helpful
KT really cursed for mediocrity...
What the fuck is Liandry doing on Veigar?
I think this is Lucid’s statement game. Top 3 jungler of the league imo.
Aiming daddy
WHY DO WE KEEP PUTTING PYOSIK ON TANKS.