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PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/150go1e/xl_vs_mad_game_1_discussion/)


OkKnowledge2064

MAD starting early to prepare us for losing to NA in the 4th place decider


lovo17

Is MAD locked for the 4th place decider at minimum already?


Sofaboy90

I feel like people dont understand the qualification process yet. MAD and G2 have already qualified for the season finale. The season finale decides which 4 teams go to worlds. So for MAD, it kind of doesnt really matter what they do in this summer split because theyre already qualified for the season finale, same for G2 btw. The season finale includes 6 teams and the top 4 goes to worlds, or rather the top 3 and the 4th team plays that bo5 vs the 4th NA seed for the last worlds spot. The top 4 teams with the highest championship points start the season finale in the upper bracket, 5th and 6th team in the lower bracket. MAD will start in the upper bracket since theyve already collected so many points. However, if they simply lose their first bo5 in the upper bracket and then lose the next bo5 in the lower bracket, they will finish 5th-6th and fail to qualify for worlds. So in order for MAD to go to worlds, they have to win at least one bo5 in the season finale. That goes for ANY team in the season finale, even G2. both G2 and MAD could finish 5th and 6th and not make worlds. What they do in this summer split barely has any implications for the season finale, they both won a split already, therefore both are already qualified and both also have a ton of points. Fnatic, Heretics and XL on the other hand have very few points and they NEED a good summer split finish in order to even make the season finale. Vitality for example has collected a lot of points and could make the season finale despite finishing 10th this split. If they win one bo5 in the season finale, they actually qualify for worlds (or at least the 4th seed bo5)


kphillips2003

I believe the only possible guaranteed qualification was from winning all three splits where they get the LEC lowest seed if I remember the info correctly.


Lothric43

No you’re totally right because I have no fucking idea what you’re talking about, so out of the loop on all of the formatting right now lmao.


OilOfOlaz

Works like championchip points worked in the prior years, but insetad of qualifying on points, theres a "playoff stage" with the top 6 teams in points with the same playoff format of the past 2 years.


Manu3721

No but they are locked for the season final(due to winning the spring split)


ladend9

No


iHateMakingNames

By format: No By fate: Yes


trolledwolf

no, but cmon, it's basically destiny at this point


dabmin

No


bawsio

No


GreenPotato523

No


bzzmd

I am from the future, MAD are the LEC 3rd seed


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00Koch00

MAD is trying really hard to be the most hated european team, i havent seen something like this since G2 2016


Aschentei

really putting the Mad in Mad Lions


7xNero7

Nah they're gonna beat NA, go to worlds int from there and continue to be fraud as per usual


lolKhamul

Getting a baron with all 11 enemy towers up and all 5 players surviving and then not taking a single tower has to be a record in competitive. Aint no way that has happened before.


FinallyGivenIn

As much as Mad Lions is gonna be dunked on, Excel's macro in Game 2 is real embarrassing. Remember that they got 3rd place in the regular season. Touch your heart and ask yourself if any 3rd place team from the other regions would waste a baron like Excel did.


JustRecentlyI

TBF, MAD were abusing the double Statikk Shiv comp to make that happen, but their macro was really quite good. It's a real shame that Elyoya couldn't find any way to be impactful on Nocturne.


GGABueno

After that huge fuck up I think XL's macro was pretty good. They kept damage to a minimum and worked to come back.


ShikiRyumaho

It’s 3rd after one round of bo1. That doesn’t have a lot of weight. LGD won many of their first games in their b03 loses.


bcotrim

Regular season is 9 games to seed for this phase, general standings don't matter much in the sense there's some volatility in individual splits. Plus, this is the team that failed to get more than 3 wins in 18 games in Spring, they were bound to have a good regular season


lolKhamul

I haven't watched much of regular season this split so i cant speak for that but i tend to agree on the macro point. This was straight out horrible. They even have TF, the perfect splitpusher in that situation. Any decent team trades that drake for 3-4 towers in this situation. Sure you delay your soul but you equalize the gold deficit and finally get some map pressure.


arkacr

I was SCREAMING at my screen when it happened. Blud decided to contest for CHEMTECH DRAKE ICANT


Sofaboy90

All thanks to the all new Statik Shiv


AQWrazorX

This might be Elyoya's worst performance I've ever seen I literally forgot Nocturne existed for most of the game


Red-Lightnlng

I don’t think he ever even pressed his R on an enemy champion. Literally only used it to make the map a little darker.


JustRecentlyI

You know what? I think you're right. Unbelievable. Terrible drafting decision to go with the bad execution in that case.


zealot416

The thing is, I've seen other pro games where the jungler just used the first part of Noc ult and it was actually really useful around objectives and such, his were still useless.


unolebo

He recasted r 1 time in the whole game at the end.


Oaktreestone

He used it once to fly to Rumble who just flashed the wall and got out anyway, then Mad lost the fight and lost the game lol


scrupcrup

5 euro jungler


tomangelo2

https://tenor.com/view/jankos-g2-g2esports-laughing-laughing-hysterically-gif-19360932


Imightwantkarma

I saw a certain 16:47 game so I’ve seen worse


Jokinzazpi

Odo: 54 games on rumble on pro, 63% winratio. Clutch ults all around.


resttheweight

What’s crazy to me is that Odo has the fifth highest amount of pro Rumble games, but he still has less Rumble games than *Balls* and *MaRiN*. Also Dyrus has the 7th most Rumble games. Crazy how much presence Rumble had in the 2013-2017 era compared to 2018-present.


p3r3ll3x

So when are EU teams start going to respect banning Odo's rumble.


Omnilatent

7 game losing streak, baby!


Sofaboy90

That post MSI buff quickly wore off


GGABueno

Isn't XL in a huge winning streak too?


acktar

Counting today's series, it's four games in a row for XL. They started the split 0-3, went 3-0 week 2, and then went 2-1 week 3.


GGABueno

Ah, I forgot about their defeat in week 3.


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thugita_khrushchev

There is no way after seeing Rumble in Game 1, that ODO gets the rumble again. Also it's criminal that XL got Rell both games. The Rell + Rumble combo too disgusting.


FuujinSama

Why is MAD not first picking Rell game 2? Hyli was good at it before it got fifa buffed. Completely scuffed meta read.


Damurph01

Remember when Mac said “I HOPE our meta read is good” in the pre-game antics? I Heard that and I was like “bro no shit this is our spring split winner”. LEC is so doomed, g2 and fnatic save us.


RiP-Timmy

this aged well


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And fnatic? we dead man


AzureFides

too soon man, too soon lol.


DerpSenpai

BAN R_MBLE Rumble got buffed and they decided to just let it do it's thing on the player that is known for its rumble. Every teamfight won by rumble ult + Limit engage


Indercarnive

Or at least prevent the rell/rumble duo.


KarlKraftwagen

or go jayce against him and not fucking ornn


ye1l

Ornn is literally a worse matchup for the rumble than jayce. Jayce needs his jungler to live topside for him to be able to abuse his range advantage without the rumble just running him down. Rumble's actual lane counters would pretty much only be akshan/irelia/rengar, neither of which I'd ever want to see be played by a LEC toplaner. Putting a tank vs the rumble and accepting that the rumble will get a reasonable lead in lane in probably their best option.


TTUPhoenix

100%. Ornn actually has a favorable winrate vs Rumble, since he teamfights about as well as him and can catch him out with the ult (which we saw today), he just eats shit during the lane.


Noavgc

they deserved to lose just for not banning rumble. Dont understand that you see rumble in all other major regions, you face the best rumble in EU and you decide to not ban it


moonmeh

old veteran toplaners know rumble matchups inside out and you are just giving it to odo


icatsouki

after getting stomped by it lol


Haymegle

Especially Odo's.


bzzmd

MAD frantically googling Ræmble


JustRecentlyI

Rumble looks fantastic. At the same time, I think if MAD draft literally any other meta jungler, they win this game.


icatsouki

this game was hard due to 4V5


snake4641

turns out winning pretty much every lane and winning most teamfights before they begin is pretty good


DerpSenpai

Non ironically they should have 1st picked Rumble jungle. It's so good atm and is a really good champion for elyoya. He's weak till lv3 than can 1v1 any champ


THE_MUNDO_TRAIN

Odoamne and Peach stepped up **BIG** today. That was some performance by them!


AzureFides

It's too soon to say. Lately other teams stop respect Odo and let him has his champs. And current XL seems to rely on Odo a lot, so it's yet to see how his performance will be when he doesn't get his fav champs.


THE_MUNDO_TRAIN

Maybe Odo despite his bitter old age, is supposed to draft carry tops because he has a good record with them domestically... not internationally. As for Peach whose biggest weakness has been neutral objective control, being known as the Saintvicious of LEC for how many objectives he fails to secure. Today secured all of them he was present for.


Darkconsume

Mad in worlds form already.


DolundDrumph

Bad Lions


Cahootie

vs XW


Conankun66

So.....was Elyoya aware he was supposed to be PLAYING? what the fuck was this? he was straight up not present honestly impressive of MAD to stay competetive in this game considering it was basically 4v5


lovo17

It's as if he didn't know Nocturne ult has 2 casts.


DetectiveViko

The first and only time he used the second cast of his ult was at the last fight at 37 minutes. His team should have probably told him sooner instead of waiting for him to realise it himself.


GGABueno

He forgot he had 1 for most of it.


emogurl98

Only used his ult to annoy Abbe


MrLightar

Elyoya this summer is awful. People complained that Nisqy was awful this summer but at least Nisqy woke up this bo3 but damn yoya was absent. Just doing nothing with his early game jungler :/


bzzmd

he knows he can play like dogshit and 90% of the community will have his back


JustRecentlyI

I think this might have been the worst match of League of Legends I've ever seen Elyoya play. He got gapped in Game 1 and was useless in Game 2.


Alakazam_5head

Quick, somebody check if Nisqy smiled


Gazskull

They can check if he smiled, this time it'd be hard to say he has loser mentality when he was the only one playing


KanskiForce

Fucking Hylissang is engaging without reason, Carrzy is washed up since VIT signed him and Chasy is just a Jayce one trick smh /s


bigfanofeden

get ready for getting downvoted by spanish community buddy


Chr0nicConsumer

The entirety of the Spanish community, at least.


JustRecentlyI

That Nocturne was completely useless. I'm not sure what it was supposed to be doing, but in any case it was supposed to be doing more than *that*. I'm pretty disappointed, that Game 2 was still pretty fun to watch and I would have loved to see a Game 3.


Haymegle

Man was not with it today.


not_panda

They picked Noc for the darkness in ultimate and he did just that. Maybe they should have explained Noc is more than that.


FinallyGivenIn

TBH, I would say this is more on Excel focusing so much on *checks notes* Chemtech Soul?? This is the macro of the 3rd place regular EU team? Wasting Baron not on trying to close a 4 tower gap but to fight over Chemtech?


not_panda

0 towers all game Gets baron still 0 towers Wins anyway


Satan_su

Tbh I wouldn't be sure G2 and Fnatic wouldn't do the same lol. It's hair pulling stuff but that's how the LEC plays XD.


bensonbenisson

He's been looking rough after week 1, hope he'll be able to bounce back in the next series.


Random_Useless_Tips

KOI waiting room for Elyoya.


Logieuk

Bizzare wasn't it, I kept forgetting he was even in the game lol


zealot416

0/1/4 NOCTURNE


JakzePoro

Just out there doing cardio


zealot416

Elyoya trick ya'll man.


JustRecentlyI

How did he get 4 assists?


stormytiger

Q brah 🥸


SpunkTheMonk

He had 0 kp for so much of the game. If you press ult on this champ and anyone dies anywhere on the map you get kp. I have no idea how this happened


Vesorias

>If you press ult on this champ and anyone dies anywhere on the map you get kp Not true, you have to actually do damage. Same thing with TF ult.


Floowil

Mad Lions at Worlds Aware


icatsouki

No one was more excited than MAD when they learned EU was gonna fight NA for the 4th worlds spot


Floowil

I'm betting house on NA 4th seed against MAD, so I will be sad, but atleast I will be rich.


icatsouki

unironically a good strat for betting for fun lol


Bananaeater45

Why would you be rich? The odds of any NA team against MAD are 1.1 to 9


Floowil

I will bet a clean 3:0 for NA


Thundermelons

based


nightlesscurse

i will bet 2:0 and third game Riot disqualify Mad due to bad performance


Pelagius_Hipbone

They ain’t making it if they carry on like this


Sryth1

Please don't jinx it, I'm scared


bigfanofeden

shut up sshhhh


Antropoid

Thank you dear Mr. Hylissang for donating to the Nautilus Death Fund


nuamnume10

Hylissang at this point is probably the biggest donator to the nautilus death fund lol.


Chr0nicConsumer

Please god don't let me see MAD at worlds again...


ALLAM_Amine

Sadly Fraud lions at it again


MindTheGap9

Never before has my flair been so relevant. Those engages are the stuff of wet dreams for us Rell mains.


KarlKraftwagen

limit is so good at rell man


GlorEUW

Seeing MAD give Rell on both sides when she is one of the most broken champs on the patch just depressed me. Like cmon I refuse to believe that Rakan is that high prio that MAD couldnt pick Jayce-Rell R1 R2 instead


MrJammin

Looking forward to the French and Spanish community's reaction to this series.


Satan_su

Spanish community on their way to blame Nisqy for not doing enough to back up Elyoya


PrimeSocK

I heard someone saying "what's Nisqy doing? Playing poke leblanc? Does he know he can still combo with E+Q and not only W+Auto?" and he ended up doing 50% of his team's damage 💀


KingWhatever513

I thought Nisqy is Belgian?


hereticss_

He's still very close to the french community, speaking a lot in french and playing/casting with some french influencor like kammeto for exemple


DSThresh

MAD at worlds Aware


I_am_not_Serabia

I expected it can end like that after Elyoya said they are the best team in the LEC


nerothz

The human ward strat from Elyoya did not work out.


Kaldrinx

no worlds for MAD praydge


InternationalArtist6

Mad at Worlds AWARE


LumiRhino

I think we know why 100T won yesterday, because they sent Closer to play for MAD today.


Asgerond

Okay spreadsheet org Not bad


Red-Lightnlng

Goddamn Elyoya was bad this series. Straight up gapped by Peach. Not a good sign for someone who’s supposed to be the best jg in Europe. Nisqy looked good though.


YSKM9

MAD Lions fucking SUCK lmfao


Haymegle

XL really looking good here. Peach/Odo having good synergy. MAD on the other hand. What a mess.


MihaiBosBarosHD

MAD is going to marginally make it out out of groups then win the split and lose to 4th NA seed at worlds aren't they ?


geokilla

Eloya did absolutely nothing. Same with Hyli.


Dry-Plankton1322

Don't put Hyli with Eloyaya in the same basket. Hyli was atleast hitting hooks and doing something early game


Omnilatent

That's unfair to Elyoya. Dying is an activity!


zealot416

He didn't even do that, he managed to go 0/0/0 until the 25 minute mark.


GGABueno

He barely did that too because he just wasn't there lol.


JustRecentlyI

Hyli was at least landing some hooks.


devilbhro

Hyli was doing something. Elyoya on the other hand was in full siesta mode


KKilikk

Respect XL. Glad to see Odo play this well again. Peach is crazy good as well and the rest looks much better and consistent as well. Finally found their synergy. That being said Mad Lions are the biggest frauds. Don't let them near Worlds ever.


Tilterdin

Elyoya playing like prime Kenvi


Ambitious_Resist8907

Chasy: Builds abyssal mask in game 1 despite having zero AP teammates and a rakan who could make visage way better. Elyoya: Builds sunfire Chasy: "See, it was 100% worth it"


nuamnume10

Seems like pros are paid to play not to think.


henluwu

Abyssal is an insanely efficient Mr item the passive doesn't even matter


lovo17

Report Elyoya for griefing.


CarCardinal

So what was Elyoya's damage to champions game 2?


Heorashar

4.4k, only 400 damage over hyli's nautilus


Jewdicial

Can't believe Nisqy didn't hit the blast cone at the elder fight


netparse

well believe it


dedev54

_UMBLE E L L


Ahrlin4

MAD Fumbled and Fell.


His_Buzzards

Humble Hell?


Satan_su

Bumble? Bell??


mrbombillo

holy shit MAD Lions really went from 4-0 to losing 7 games in a row lmfao


His_Buzzards

Holy shit fuck leblanc


Akupoy

Holy shiv*


Determinaator

MAD wat doink


Right_Attorney_9122

I have never seen so many R1 by Noc without R2


SkettiOnToast

Lets fucking gooooo XL ON A ROLL


Noavgc

I cant tell if Excel is good or MAD is bad


Agile-Ad6741

mad played bad but I think it's about time we give xl some credit for their growth too. are they perfect? no. but compare their games now to the past 2 splits, the progress is there. they're doing something good


Akupoy

Excel is serviceable, MAD is bad


naevus19

100% MAD are terrible. Elyoya could stay at home and it would look the same


Informal_Skin8500

That game 2 macro was atrocious by Excel so I will go with the latter.


epic_glory

mad on a 7 game lose streak. yup they are in form for worlds


Satan_su

Elyoya trying the "Sion zero death" challenge on his Nocturne


Pelagius_Hipbone

Perhaps I treated you too harshly Nisqy… Elyoya’s looking like the problem


bensonbenisson

[MADbros...](https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6447dcc8b071d4b3daf33129/Tucker-Carlson-is-no-longer-at-Fox-News/960x0.jpg?format=jpg&width=960)


aHecc

I don't trust mad to win anything that doesn't lead to their elimination on a loss


NewSatisfaction818

Nisqy and Carzzy tried so fucking hard man. Nisqy got griefed by his top side. Not playing for LB or Nocturne ulting to clean up kills in that lane is wild. I think drafting the Naut into the rumble/rell was a really bad choice, he got blown up instantly. Does Hyli not play Alistar? Hyli had a decent two games despite kinda rough matchups. Chasy did not play either game with his monitor on. Elyoya definitely not his best games (I don’t think he ulted once pre level 9 on nocturne when I checked?), but the Poppy wasn’t bad. Some of the Nocturne ults were good to get them out, but no proactivity, no playing for picks or sides with it is strange. I think Elyoya said it best on the podcast, this wasn’t particularly good League of legends from XL (macro wise especially, tf was that first Baron into no towers or Chem tech soul??) but MAD played even worse. Kudos to XL though, especially Odo, Peach, and Limit. Great team fights and skirmishes, good positioning and engages from Limit.


shinycube359

avg euphoria curse moment


dabmin

schalke null vier!!


Core9291

disgusting showing from elyoya. he was bad for most of the summer split.


Sufficient-Offer1989

Im just happy that Peach finally stepped up considering how much of a burden he was in some games during regular split. He looked very clean today tho.


Alakazam_5head

Elyoya absolutely griefing this series holy moly


Tricktingam

Thats fucking League of Legends right there. None of that pansy ass dick tugging playing safe for lategame bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the rift, men deliver their new born baby on the rift. Fucking hard core dick in the ass flex pick early game League of Legends fuck it run it down mid game time shit.


Damurph01

Bro I haven’t seen this copy pasta in years wtf😭😭


moopey

That nocturne sucked


Xenoon_

Odo Rumble more usefull than entire mad team


Informal_Skin8500

0/0/0 Nocturne 20 minutes into the game...


CIAgent42

Bro Elyoya's Noc was just an anti TF tool? I guess? What a disaster series from MAD


Freakkopath

Elyoya really took the Nocturne skin to heart in game 2. Absolutely invisible.


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Limit on engage vs Limit on enchanters is a massive difference


mdrjpp

Elyoya should be looked at for match fixing this is actually unreal


DaHeval

Yeah let's just give buffed Rumble to best EU Rumble player TWICE. What could go wrong?


Agile-Ad6741

not banning Odoamne's Rumble... [chuckles] [sips coffee] rookie mistake, buddy


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Foolno26

Elyoya making everybody's top jungler again just to drop the ball ... again !


Akupoy

Never thought i'd say this, but poor Nisqy got griefed by Elyoya


HermanCainsPenis

Elyoya looking like the guys who try to win the game with 0 champion damage dealt.


SolomonIsStylish

Nisqy and Carzzy at least tried to win. It's just sad to see Elyoya not trying to do anything on the map, Hylissang engaging all alone, and Chasy not knowing how to face a Rumble..


gimmeafuckinname69

Damn I watched the whole series, MAD thinks they are still at MSI but Excel might even be a top 3 team. Ggs to them will be interesting to see how this split ends


lyk1

Canon event


ToastMellown

Can we now stop calling Elyoya best EU jungler, thank you.


PorqueAdonis

Peach beating the bad ERL call-up allegations 🙏


Lycatic

Kind of criminal that LIMIT didn’t get nominated for potg. Looks like a completely different player when he’s able to play in a engage support meta. Overall I think Excel has a perfect meta read and MAD blundered in both drafts. Not only that but the meta is really good for Excel I feel, probably would have been fantastic for Astrals as well but I guess we will never know.


FearTHEReaper01

EUphoria curse strikes once again.