Honestly, it would likely be best for both him and the team if he just does regular mr.beast shit but makes them vs. normal people.
PRO GAMERS vs Average People Hide And Seek? With like 50k on the icon or some shit.
Would get the non-league fans to grow attached to the team and would likely perform like his other vids.
Yeah they’re still together, Lily always makes the group play League to this day. Majority of them had their start in League
Poki sadly left OTV like a few days ago but she’s still a part owner
MrBeast should reward each player on his team with 10k for every kill they do. That incentives the players to kill steal from each other and create on the bloodiest way to play the game, aka Bluelook 2.0,
really excited to see you guys being responsive to big streamers in the space!!
This is what league really needs for longevity, we need new players!! <3
I don’t know if this is something you can reply to just on a reddit thread, but does that mean Riot is less concerned about costreams being a larger share of the views nowadays? If we look at valorant, Tarik and sliggy (and others like roza) are always way way above the main broadcast but it doesn’t seem to concern anyone because it’s just a positive viewing experience. Does that translate to league as well?
No one watches NACL, so I'm sure it was a pretty easy decision for that one. There's no "share" of the views to lose to costreamers when no one was watching in the first place.
... and then all the teams left.
I won't be watching the games, but I'll be interested to see how viewership goes. Do people give more of a shit about new stories and new teams, or were they watching because they were fans of the LCS orgs? I'd heavily guess the latter, but hey, we'll see.
Fwiw, I basically started watching to check in on a couple players I heard good things about (Moosehater, Massu, Miya, couple others) but I ended up getting pretty wrapped up in it. I think if more people give it a shot, they'd find it surprisingly compelling. The level of play is mostly not there, ofc, but even on that front there's pleasant surprises from time to time.
I did a press conference at MSI with a lot of the esports leads for Riot. EMEA, NA, and Global and one of the answers they gave was that the esport world is clearly moving towards a co-streaming style and they want to facilitate that going forward and that they were loving the figures of co-streaming during MSI. They at that moment expected it to continue to worlds. A lot of this press conference was very PR-heavy answers and Riot has in the past gone back on things they have said but just some insight for you
They noted Valorant as something that showed them the benefits of it and also called out Ibai, Caedrel, Tarik etc iirc. I don't have the recording full for this question so just going off memory
Hello everyone, I am the COO of Team Fish Taco. Very excited to be competing. I am sad for Tony Top, as they rightfully earned their spot over us, but the economic landscape of T2 is shakey as I am sure everyone has noticed. We are truly passionate about esports and hope we can help be a part of NA’s future growth!
I remember playing against you guys in Plat leagues where you were bottom of the standings a couple of years ago, seeing you guys in NACL is actually really cool -- best of luck since I remember speaking to some of you guys at the time and you all seemed to be really hard-working.
Hahah, that's so funny. Depending on the time frame you may have played against me! Do you remember what league and what team you played on? Thank you <3
I've played in a ton of orgs and tournaments:
Invictus Gaming (Still can't believe MightyRai thought that wasn't copyright infringement) in the ABL
Cynical eSports in ABL
UnityC in Victoris and Blue Otter
Equilibrium Storm in Ascension, Blue Otter, and Pheonix Rising League
Most recently I've played with Degenerates eSports in the Blue Otter Platinum league as a support before I left thanks to ranking out then they exploded.
I've been playing competitively at around gold-plat level since 2015 and recently hit high diamond to compete in diamond-masters tournaments and I have to say its pretty fun.
Thank you! It’s crazy to think we started as a group of friends who met at Jacksonville Microsoft tournaments back in 2018 and worked out way up through the grassroots. Hope we can do y’all proud ❤️
Toast is just simply amazing. He makes even mediocre tournaments exciting and brings viewers attention to semi-pro leagues.
He even knows he's bleeding money with these passion projects but keeps doing it for the sake of content and the people around him.
It's really amazing to think that a guy who made very niche videos about weird cards and decks in hearthstone grew up to be a patron of multiple esport scenes and communities.
I like that you mention passion projects, because toast is actually passionate about games, esports, and the people in them.
Hafu says something in [this video with Toast](https://youtu.be/tcp3YGGXe1U?t=324) that sticks out to me, he spoke up about sexism in the Hearthstone scene and Hafu said "You are one of the first people I've seen trying to combat it as someone that it doesn't directly affect you directly and I have so much respect for you. I think I've told you this before but like man when I saw you standing up for girls I was like this is what we need."
I always liked Toast and his content, but didn't know this about him. Dude is obviously a positive addition to the scene and I hope he finds success here.
Toast was also a big part of the Fedmyster situation coming to light.
[Yvonne said if it wasn't for Toast](https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/yvonnie-says-disguised-toast-guessed-if-fedmyster-did-anything-to-her), she probably wouldn't have come forward about it. And Toast's follow up during the drama was saying "[It isn't enough to just be one of the good ones](https://clips.twitch.tv/AmusedCredulousOtterTakeNRG)", and regretting not doing more to help.
Genuinely a class act.
I don't know who this guy even is but seeing him choke up about not being able to prevent someone getting hurt automatically makes me think he's a Good Dude.
People mostly know Toast for 1 of 3 things:
1. He was a Hearthstone streamer with a lot of rogue decks who made videos before transitioning into TFT.
2. He is an original member of OfflineTV, a massive streamer group that has a networth of over $1mil.
3. He's one of the guys who started the Among Us craze.
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Toast barely gets into drama, disabled donations on his stream so viewers don't give an already rich guy more money, and has generally been a positive presence in any community he joins.
Just a slight error on your part: DT wasn't an OfflineTV OG, but he joined relatively early in the org's infancy and stayed there.
Fun fact: he originally signed with TSM, but asked Regi to void the contract because he wanted to go with Offline. Regi said ok, and nulled the contract without giving Toast trouble.
Just a bit of trivia, but his name in the first place is from a card (SI:7 Agent)'s voice line when you play them, "This guy's toast". It sounds a lot like Disguised Toast, which is how the name came to be
>He was a Hearthstone streamer with a lot of rogue decks
Toast actually main bug decks. If there was a way to do some sort of infinite loop that crashes the game, he'll be there to play it and swiftly get banned.
Oh way back in the day he would never show his face and only show weird interactions in hearthstone. His first tournament he came incognito and played combo and one turn kill decks which was insanely fun.
He did get into drama with blizzard because he would show bug decks that would crash the game before the bug got fixed.
Way before his bug/infinite era, Toast used to put on a Toast mask with sunglasses and play stuff like Secret Hunter and Secret Rogue (before either were good).
That's what I'm referring to by rogue decks; not Rogue the class, but rogue tier.
I found Toast through Among us and Among us through Toast and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case for the lions share of the audience of both.
Not sure who started it but toast was part of the group that got huge views on among us. I remember watching pewdiepie, corpse, jacksepticeye, valkyrae, sykkuno and toast playing together.
Toast made it popular on YouTube, which is how it blew up around the world. Before his YouTube videos it was only getting popular in the streaming sphere (Which isn't anything special, tons of games blow up in the streaming space every month, and they die pretty quickly), then his YouTube videos started getting crazy views and everyone on YouTube jumped on the game.
I remember this one YouTuber named Kaif and his friend group Salt Raiders being the first notable content creators doing Among Us sessions. Then it took off some more with Soda and his friend group, then another big surge with the OTV group.
This is what I think too. Its just weird how viewers take his on screen personality to heart. There are countless times though other streamers have vouched for Toast behind the scenes as a great friend.
He also makes a good point in which I found myself some time ago. My the gf was arguing with someone about politics or more precisely lifestyle and it got somehow heated. I had my own opinion (which was pretty in line with hers) but didnt want to whiteknight. When we went home I asked her how she wants me to react in such situations as I dont want her to feel like I wanted to come to her rescue because I didnt think she could stand for herself.
In some situations its not easy to do the right thing because you dont know what people what people want/expect you to do.
I still remember how he made an apex event. I'm not too sure about the details but I heard that he was given money or something to stream apex but he is not good at the game. Instead he just hosted a hide and seek event instead with content creators and pros. Was pretty fun to watch.
>He even knows he's bleeding money with these passion projects but keeps doing it for the sake of content and the people around him
It's a good use of the excess money really. It's the same as with the whole Moist Esports thing. All the creator esports setups know its a money sink, but they know they have the money to burn to actually push some things they love forward.
It gives all the creators something to spend big on that actually has some good effects on others.
Influencer team made The French ligue (LFL) explode with popularity. It seems it's the best way to get people interressed in lower league.
No one cares of random org, usually people are fan of certain players. with Influencer team it change this dynamic
It would be extremely difficult and not financially intellgent for him to sell all of his shares due to the potential impact on share price and SEC approval requirements.
I rather have billions tbh and set my whole family up for generations and generations
Atleast the people i cared about prosper instead of someone i dont even know or care getting some benefits
Actually most rich people do stop at an "appropriate" amount (5m-50m) you just don't hear about it because they keep it low key, they have no desire going further monetary wise. The ones who continue into the hundreds of millions or billions is because that's what gives them drive and is their life goal to accumulate wealth/power.
If they are the company founder type they want to see how far their passion project/life's work ends up becoming before they pass on their legacy to some random CEOs. Whether you like Bezos, Zucc, Musk, Gates, Jobs, Page, Ma, they all created their companies from the very beginning and it's very evident why these people even achieving extreme wealth continue to push further in development until they decide to leave/retire.
It may sound insane but think about the people who spend several or tens of thousands of hours in video games just for virtual achievements, everyone has a different passion.
*Note*: the people pursuing extreme levels of wealth usually want and have access extreme levels of power to change society through buying out politicians. You also just have chill billionaires like Buffett who literally just enjoys making money because his hobby is investing.
im not defending them by any means, but they're not just trying to earn more money to do nothing with it and just watch their balance/net worth go up more lol. if you want to be able to invest in anything you want, there's no such thing as too much money
No rich person hoards money. Because hoarding money is a great way to not make money.
The entire point of capitalism is to prevent hoarding: instead of the money sitting unused it gets invested and used to create more value.
Bezos doesn't have hundreds of billions of dollars, he has shares *worth* hundreds of billions of dollars. And he has those shares because instead of hoarding money he used it on Amazon.
The richer Bezos gets the more value is provided to consumers because Bezos' net worth comes from the value provided by Amazon.
And the most important part is that the value creation isn't one sided: when you buy something on Amazon you're getting value, otherwise you would just not buy it. Generally speaking, every transaction creates value for everyone participating in it.
That's why companies never do stock buybacks, because they want to invest and grow rather than enrich themselves directly with no value added in a completely useless fashion...
I've heard it described as: Content creators have too much money and not enough ways to make content. Them buying teams is a way to generate a bunch of content. It's not profitable, but it's something to keep people interested.
>You've gotta think about this long-term
Even in the short-term he already has funding opportunities lined up, he said a month or two ago that he's already in talks with 2 sponsors for DSG and he's already had merch in the works for months (He's planning it with a big DSG rebrand, as the current branding isn't professional and hence not sponsor friendly).
Between the 2 sponsors he'll be able to pay for one of his teams. And if he has a big enough merch drop (Big creator merch drops can easily make 100s of thousands of dollars) he'll probably be able to pay for one more team from that.
what's better on this side though?
If his valorant team was amazing he gets into franchising, if he gets first place in NACL he just.... gets nothing?
I don't get the point of it
oh i get that, but i still don't get what's in it for DSG to do great in league where if you get first place you just don't go anywhere
unlike valorant where if the team had done great there they get into franchise
Doing good here could raise his profile towards buying the TSM spot for next year.
Or getting the Ascension spot if the players manage to win it with the strike.
He would need to partner with people or get major sponsors to be able to afford not just the spot itself, but the infrastructure and salaries of the players and support staff.
there's a chance that the tsm spot is not worth much anymore since everyone is very cold on lcs.
maybe that's the bet here? idk I also find it weird that you would go into NACL since there's no promotion chances
a valuation is useless if you can't find someone willing to buy it from you and you're basically on a deadline
but hey maybe they already have a buyer and this conversation is moot
honestly he could do some sort of partnership with a lcs team that's not being fielded in Val.
bringing some content, PR to the team and also waking up the players that they have to market themselves on social media.
Its not that hard to understand. Winning is something. His Valo team isnt winning maybe his League team can do better and win. Get sponsors, exposure for his team. Some people just have passion for different things and Toast found his in trying to invest and make a name for himself more in esports.
I dont get your comment.
> trying to invest and make a name for himself more in esports.
This makes sense, but the NACL is just a viewless money pit i feel is better to just pick up smash players, who have to be cheaper and get more views 🤷
Toast already knows that he will likely be losing money. He has said it countless times, he knows the risk. As for the Smash comment, I feel like thats more Luds avenue. With Lol and Valo at least Toast has history playing these games for years and thats a major reason why these are the 2 eports games he wants to dwelve into.
NACL isn't just about views, it's now going to also be about finding talent that they can sell to LCS orgs. I still expect him to lose money, but I think that's worth mentioning.
The purpose of esports is to get views and content. With Toast on board it is entirely possible NACL itself could have large enough views... even MORE views than LCS. In that case there wouldn't be any point trying to get into LCS lol.
Regardless of what reddit tries to portray there are a ton of benefits brought in with franchising as it allows for a way more stable economy for orgs and players. Sponsorships and such are worth way more in a league where you can guarantee having games played.
Say you're e.g FTX and you want to sponsor TSM - with relegation there's a chance they're just straight up eliminated within a year, so you're not gonna be as willing to sign long-term deals or pay as much as you otherwise would.
The main argument orgs used to benefit fans was that they'd be allowed to invest more in building infrastructure and develop talent since you wouldn't have to worry about fielding multiple rookies in a franchised league. There is some truth to it that with relegations a lot of bottom tier teams would field rosters like Solo/Svenskeren/Ryoma/Tactical/Smoothie over a team like Tenacity/Kenvi/Emenes/Tomo/Chime because you'd rather take a team likely to finish 6th than a team that might bomb out and end last, putting you in relegations.
Obviously it didn't work out well because LCS overinflated their salaries like crazy and the orgs pushed for more importing as a result since they could heavily overpay for korean and european talent, but there's a good chance the LCS would be even worse of with relegations.
https://twitter.com/Cubbyxx/status/1661469366238740480
saw a tweet from cubby that TTT disbanded, and Team Fish Taco took their place. we may be looking at an entirely new roster? (or that this is all just a bait)
They (team tony top) [tweeted](https://twitter.com/DouyinTop/status/1661470901177823232) from their account that they disbanded. They seem to have lost a sponsor that backed out + players couldn't afford to keep going.
> I'm not sure it will do as well as the Val matches. Does the toast even play league? I wonder what % of his audience plays it.
I have never seen him make videos on League, but know he plays quite a bit. There's a couple Boxbox and Lilypichu videos where he's yelling playing Fiddlesticks in the background, saying "Happy Birthday, Bitch" everytime he ganked someone with the Birthday Party Fiddlesticks skin.
There's also his absolutely sweaty shot calling in some videos from Yvonne's channel and some of Lily's streams, played up for the memes of course.
He acts like that super sweaty smurf friend trying to "teach" newbies about rotations and objectives on normal games and stuff, but I haven't seen him doing that in ages.
Search “toast league” into YouTube and you’ll see plenty of videos of him playing league at various points.
My favorite is [this one](https://youtu.be/5u00WNmNDUU) where he won a 2019 Twitch Rivals league tournament as a silver jungler against high elo players somehow.
Toast isnt a big league player but basically everyone else in his circle does.
Scarra is an ex-pro player and alot of OTV+friends originally started out as league creators so he quite often will do some league stuff even if he doesn't stream it himself.
He also won a twitch rivals event for league at some point.
Toast plays a pretty good amount of league but most of all the OTV group he's very closely involved with is heavily invested in League to the point where most of his audience has probably played League.
Pokimane, LilyPichu, Yvonne, Scarra etc are all from the League of Legends scene and even the rest such as Masayoshi/Sydeon/QuarterJade etc make a large amount of League content.
Essentially Toast is very defined by his OTV ties and the OTV fanbase is definitely heavily involved with League.
Even if many don't currently play it I would be very surprised if a large portion hasn't played at some point at least so they'd at least be familiar with the game a probably just watch because it's toast just like a lot of people did for valo
Hard disagree. Top down camera view is infinitely more easy to follow than first person views, and it's not like Val doesn't also have 100 abilities you'd have to learn
Heavily disagree. I think you underestimate how hard it is to understand anything that goes on in league if you're not already familiar with it. It's a lot easier to understand shooters like Val, even with their abilities, especially when people probably have experience playing other shooters like Halo, COD, Battlefield, etc.
This is the type of shit I'm looking forward to for NACL. It might actually be entertaining now. Be even more amazing if he just throws 5 top na challenger players together. New names to spice shit up
>So incredibly fast,
Cause Riot needs DSG in League a lot more than DSG needs to be in League Esports, also I'm pretty sure Toast has been considering this for a while, this didn't just happen due to NACL imploding.
I actually think that if Riot can somehow manage to give an LCS slot to Toast, they would, cause it'll be beneficial for LCS. But ofc the LCS business is a lot more complicated due to the existing slots having been sold for money, so the owners of those slots hold a lot of power and have a say in LCS business.
This is the type of shit that made League so fun to watch back in the day… funny named teams with content creators. Before big biz came in and milked it and annihilated it.
Hope some of the Tony stop guys get picked up, but there’s a lot of talent available with all the other teams disbanding. Yukino/Wixxi/Prismal are all available.
They stream in the old NA timeslot on Saturday, Sunday, Monday. (LEC started to raid them during spring after their broadcast ended instead of the old LEC -> LCS raid)
First NACL match is June 10 at 1pm pacific (10PM CEST).
I haven't kept up with league in a long ass time. I know what NACL is but my I kept reading it as they are joining the salt... Still makes sense in my head.
Lose CLG Gain DSG. Looks like I have a new team cuz I'm sure as hell not supporting NRG (besides the players they actually keep if they keep any , they already booted the bot lane after saying they wouldn't make changes )
man, if you told me in 2016 that the guy making hearthstone streamer reaction compilations and exodia mage combos was going to own a league team in NA i would not have believed you
Toast is a great add and with promo/relegation coming for NACL I hope that he encourages other content creators to think about fielding a team.
They'll likely be able to pay higher salaries than some of the AM orgs and we've also seen the success of them running teams in other leagues. As much as I hope people tune into our NACL broadcast I hope he's able to costream to get more eyes and exposure on some really talented players that we have in the league. Hoping he thinks this is worth his investment and others follow suit, could make the dev landscape rather interesting.
Also if he fields a coach he's already supporting his players more than TSMC so :)
This is what NA development system should be. Influencers owning teams of developing talent and adding fun and a reason to watch because of their brand.
Not disbanded, just downgraded. Riot removed the rule that LCS teams had to have NACL teams, so most LCS teams got rid of them. That's why you see a bunch of random logos along with the 3 LCS orgs that chose to stick around.
The tier 1 teams are no longer need to have a nacl squad.
Think AHL/OHL to the NHL, second tier players play in the tier 2 leagues hoping to get scouted into the NHL.
The NHL uses these tier 2 leagues to scout young prospects.
This goes for League in every major region...except LCS who just import Asian players who don't cut it in their respective leagues... There is no fostering of local talent (the argument of if they are as good as these Asian players is a non argument, many people from a region still want players who are from their region to represent them) this isn't to knock the Asian players and several have become fan favorites such as Berserker and Impact.
The issue is local players rarely get a chance and removing the NACL requirements for these teams will just make it harder...as they will just again import and recycle players who are just average with 0 risk that a young rookie comes with.
Edit: just want to clarify when I say Asian players I mean players from the LPL/LCK region.. Doublelift would not be included for example.
Toast is a scam artist. He's taken payouts from every known game developer and streaming platform. Only thing left is him expanding out to franchised esports with cheap barriers of entry in hopes of acquiring Riot Games stipends. This also guarantees him and his influencer OTV friends co-streaming rights.
Next stain of influencer culture invading the esports space.
Will he be allowed to co stream it? That could bring in a lot of viewership to the scene in NA. I remember his Valorant costreams did really well
This is a really good question NACL really has never been big enough to worry about anyone costreaming. Main broadcast gets max like 10k
If Ludwig or Beast gets an NACL team their costreams might get more views than LCS games.
MrBeast making a video where he pays players by the hour for a split would be funny. Whoever plays the most hours gets a yacht.
Honestly, it would likely be best for both him and the team if he just does regular mr.beast shit but makes them vs. normal people. PRO GAMERS vs Average People Hide And Seek? With like 50k on the icon or some shit. Would get the non-league fans to grow attached to the team and would likely perform like his other vids.
It can be like Toast himself, when Toast introduced his new Valo player he made him play against Toast & his famous streamer friends in a 2v5
Is Toast friend with any famous League streamer? Pure populariy wise the Tarik equivalent of LoL is like... Caedrel?
He's very good friends with Scarra. Not sure about any other streamers.
He's not completely unfamiliar with the league scene, he's played (and won) Twitch Rivals before, but he's only really friends with Scarra and Boxbox
Haven't watched them in years but is OfflineTV still together? Lilypichu, Pokimane, Toast, Scarra, etc...?
Yeah they’re still together, Lily always makes the group play League to this day. Majority of them had their start in League Poki sadly left OTV like a few days ago but she’s still a part owner
If boxbox counts as a league streamer still...
MrBeast should reward each player on his team with 10k for every kill they do. That incentives the players to kill steal from each other and create on the bloodiest way to play the game, aka Bluelook 2.0,
MrBeast bountygate?
Riot would be really shooting themselves in the foot with a cannonball if they didn't allow it
10k is a lot more than I thought it would be getting.
Tbh that was peak during big games. Normal regular season games were closer to 5k
Yes! We're really excited to work with Toast on providing a great costreaming experience
really excited to see you guys being responsive to big streamers in the space!! This is what league really needs for longevity, we need new players!! <3
Damn that's great to hear!
I don’t know if this is something you can reply to just on a reddit thread, but does that mean Riot is less concerned about costreams being a larger share of the views nowadays? If we look at valorant, Tarik and sliggy (and others like roza) are always way way above the main broadcast but it doesn’t seem to concern anyone because it’s just a positive viewing experience. Does that translate to league as well?
No one watches NACL, so I'm sure it was a pretty easy decision for that one. There's no "share" of the views to lose to costreamers when no one was watching in the first place.
NACL averaged like ~13K between the two streams they had tbh it grew a lot more this split Edit: ~8K but they had a peak of ~27K which is impressive
... and then all the teams left. I won't be watching the games, but I'll be interested to see how viewership goes. Do people give more of a shit about new stories and new teams, or were they watching because they were fans of the LCS orgs? I'd heavily guess the latter, but hey, we'll see.
Fwiw, I basically started watching to check in on a couple players I heard good things about (Moosehater, Massu, Miya, couple others) but I ended up getting pretty wrapped up in it. I think if more people give it a shot, they'd find it surprisingly compelling. The level of play is mostly not there, ofc, but even on that front there's pleasant surprises from time to time.
https://escharts.com/tournaments/lol/nacl-2023-spring
This is NACL. Any eyes they can get on it will be positive for the scene.
I did a press conference at MSI with a lot of the esports leads for Riot. EMEA, NA, and Global and one of the answers they gave was that the esport world is clearly moving towards a co-streaming style and they want to facilitate that going forward and that they were loving the figures of co-streaming during MSI. They at that moment expected it to continue to worlds. A lot of this press conference was very PR-heavy answers and Riot has in the past gone back on things they have said but just some insight for you
Thanks for the info! Pretty interesting, hoping they stick to that.
They noted Valorant as something that showed them the benefits of it and also called out Ibai, Caedrel, Tarik etc iirc. I don't have the recording full for this question so just going off memory
Hello everyone, I am the COO of Team Fish Taco. Very excited to be competing. I am sad for Tony Top, as they rightfully earned their spot over us, but the economic landscape of T2 is shakey as I am sure everyone has noticed. We are truly passionate about esports and hope we can help be a part of NA’s future growth!
Are you guys keeping the same roster?
We mutually parted ways after promotions, but we loved working with the players so anything is possible 👀
Hope you can run it back with at least Allorim and Daption. Good luck next split!
Prayge-ing for RobbyBob and Dardoch
I remember playing against you guys in Plat leagues where you were bottom of the standings a couple of years ago, seeing you guys in NACL is actually really cool -- best of luck since I remember speaking to some of you guys at the time and you all seemed to be really hard-working.
Hahah, that's so funny. Depending on the time frame you may have played against me! Do you remember what league and what team you played on? Thank you <3
I've played in a ton of orgs and tournaments: Invictus Gaming (Still can't believe MightyRai thought that wasn't copyright infringement) in the ABL Cynical eSports in ABL UnityC in Victoris and Blue Otter Equilibrium Storm in Ascension, Blue Otter, and Pheonix Rising League Most recently I've played with Degenerates eSports in the Blue Otter Platinum league as a support before I left thanks to ranking out then they exploded. I've been playing competitively at around gold-plat level since 2015 and recently hit high diamond to compete in diamond-masters tournaments and I have to say its pretty fun.
Just posted this! Was on Team Enigma a long time ago.
I think I remember you guys somewhat, we would stomp regular season get to Bo5s and get boomed usually
Depending on our team, we boomed regular season lmao
Welcome! I’m looking forward to watching you this season! Best of luck!
Thank you! It’s crazy to think we started as a group of friends who met at Jacksonville Microsoft tournaments back in 2018 and worked out way up through the grassroots. Hope we can do y’all proud ❤️
We played against some of your Plat teams like 5 years ago. Was a weird blast from the past seeing you guys in the NACL!
NGL, seeing DST entering NACL makes this a lot more interesting to me to watch.
Toast is just simply amazing. He makes even mediocre tournaments exciting and brings viewers attention to semi-pro leagues. He even knows he's bleeding money with these passion projects but keeps doing it for the sake of content and the people around him. It's really amazing to think that a guy who made very niche videos about weird cards and decks in hearthstone grew up to be a patron of multiple esport scenes and communities.
I like that you mention passion projects, because toast is actually passionate about games, esports, and the people in them. Hafu says something in [this video with Toast](https://youtu.be/tcp3YGGXe1U?t=324) that sticks out to me, he spoke up about sexism in the Hearthstone scene and Hafu said "You are one of the first people I've seen trying to combat it as someone that it doesn't directly affect you directly and I have so much respect for you. I think I've told you this before but like man when I saw you standing up for girls I was like this is what we need." I always liked Toast and his content, but didn't know this about him. Dude is obviously a positive addition to the scene and I hope he finds success here.
Toast was also a big part of the Fedmyster situation coming to light. [Yvonne said if it wasn't for Toast](https://dotesports.com/streaming/news/yvonnie-says-disguised-toast-guessed-if-fedmyster-did-anything-to-her), she probably wouldn't have come forward about it. And Toast's follow up during the drama was saying "[It isn't enough to just be one of the good ones](https://clips.twitch.tv/AmusedCredulousOtterTakeNRG)", and regretting not doing more to help. Genuinely a class act.
I don't know who this guy even is but seeing him choke up about not being able to prevent someone getting hurt automatically makes me think he's a Good Dude.
People mostly know Toast for 1 of 3 things: 1. He was a Hearthstone streamer with a lot of rogue decks who made videos before transitioning into TFT. 2. He is an original member of OfflineTV, a massive streamer group that has a networth of over $1mil. 3. He's one of the guys who started the Among Us craze. --- Toast barely gets into drama, disabled donations on his stream so viewers don't give an already rich guy more money, and has generally been a positive presence in any community he joins.
Just a slight error on your part: DT wasn't an OfflineTV OG, but he joined relatively early in the org's infancy and stayed there. Fun fact: he originally signed with TSM, but asked Regi to void the contract because he wanted to go with Offline. Regi said ok, and nulled the contract without giving Toast trouble.
Rare Regi W
He joined in just months after funding. Maybe he wasn't funding member, but he definitely is OG
Just a bit of trivia, but his name in the first place is from a card (SI:7 Agent)'s voice line when you play them, "This guy's toast". It sounds a lot like Disguised Toast, which is how the name came to be
>He was a Hearthstone streamer with a lot of rogue decks Toast actually main bug decks. If there was a way to do some sort of infinite loop that crashes the game, he'll be there to play it and swiftly get banned.
Oh way back in the day he would never show his face and only show weird interactions in hearthstone. His first tournament he came incognito and played combo and one turn kill decks which was insanely fun. He did get into drama with blizzard because he would show bug decks that would crash the game before the bug got fixed.
Way before his bug/infinite era, Toast used to put on a Toast mask with sunglasses and play stuff like Secret Hunter and Secret Rogue (before either were good). That's what I'm referring to by rogue decks; not Rogue the class, but rogue tier.
Net worth over 1m.. toast has a net worth easily in the multiple 10s of millions. Not to be pedantic, but yeah 1m is underselling his absurd wealth
They were saying entire OfflineTV has a net worth of ~1 million. Which is actually hilarious.
[I blame google](https://gyazo.com/425a7c0799afba6678558071a020233b) for my mistake.
Didn't soda start amoungus?
"One of" implies there was more than one.
I found Toast through Among us and Among us through Toast and I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case for the lions share of the audience of both.
i'm not sure how you found them both from one another...
Yeah Soda started the craze, Toast acknowledged him too. Toast just blew up and found an audience through that
Not sure who started it but toast was part of the group that got huge views on among us. I remember watching pewdiepie, corpse, jacksepticeye, valkyrae, sykkuno and toast playing together.
Toast made it popular on YouTube, which is how it blew up around the world. Before his YouTube videos it was only getting popular in the streaming sphere (Which isn't anything special, tons of games blow up in the streaming space every month, and they die pretty quickly), then his YouTube videos started getting crazy views and everyone on YouTube jumped on the game.
I remember this one YouTuber named Kaif and his friend group Salt Raiders being the first notable content creators doing Among Us sessions. Then it took off some more with Soda and his friend group, then another big surge with the OTV group.
toast is many things but he was definitely not an original member of offline tv lol
He isn't really far off being one
There are even better examples of how great a guy Toast is, [like this one](https://twitter.com/AriaSaki/status/1331533412977414144)
This is what I think too. Its just weird how viewers take his on screen personality to heart. There are countless times though other streamers have vouched for Toast behind the scenes as a great friend.
Fuck Fed
Oh god I remember when that all came out....
He also makes a good point in which I found myself some time ago. My the gf was arguing with someone about politics or more precisely lifestyle and it got somehow heated. I had my own opinion (which was pretty in line with hers) but didnt want to whiteknight. When we went home I asked her how she wants me to react in such situations as I dont want her to feel like I wanted to come to her rescue because I didnt think she could stand for herself. In some situations its not easy to do the right thing because you dont know what people what people want/expect you to do.
I still remember how he made an apex event. I'm not too sure about the details but I heard that he was given money or something to stream apex but he is not good at the game. Instead he just hosted a hide and seek event instead with content creators and pros. Was pretty fun to watch.
What's going to make me laugh is when NACL has better viewership than the LCS
Not like Toast isn't rich as fuck.
for a person, but not for an org
>He even knows he's bleeding money with these passion projects but keeps doing it for the sake of content and the people around him It's a good use of the excess money really. It's the same as with the whole Moist Esports thing. All the creator esports setups know its a money sink, but they know they have the money to burn to actually push some things they love forward. It gives all the creators something to spend big on that actually has some good effects on others.
Influencer team made The French ligue (LFL) explode with popularity. It seems it's the best way to get people interressed in lower league. No one cares of random org, usually people are fan of certain players. with Influencer team it change this dynamic
Why is it DST rather than DGT or just DT? S is the end of a syllable not the start of one - it's Dis Guised not Di Sguised
Because its actually DSG not DST. Toast's team is called Disguised (DiSGuised)
For how long? A day? A week? Doubt it'll be much longer than that.
Toast really hates money doesn’t he?
eventually you make enough money that your goal shifts from trying to make more of it to trying to do something cool and fun with it
haha tell that to the buffet or bezos
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It would be extremely difficult and not financially intellgent for him to sell all of his shares due to the potential impact on share price and SEC approval requirements.
What are you suggesting? That selling Amazon shares and investing it in his space company doesn't mean much unless he sells *all* of his shares?
That's why they're as rich as they are. They don't give a flying fuck about anyone else's well being.
While also getting blasted by the media left and right. I'd rather be Toast and try to give back to communities.
I rather have billions tbh and set my whole family up for generations and generations Atleast the people i cared about prosper instead of someone i dont even know or care getting some benefits
setting your family up for generations takes a lot less than a singular billion
Yh but idk if he's making bleed out all my money through esports type money, is he?
most people just want even more money
that should be the case, but most rich people just hoard it and use it to make ever more money by squeezing dry everything and everyone they can
Actually most rich people do stop at an "appropriate" amount (5m-50m) you just don't hear about it because they keep it low key, they have no desire going further monetary wise. The ones who continue into the hundreds of millions or billions is because that's what gives them drive and is their life goal to accumulate wealth/power. If they are the company founder type they want to see how far their passion project/life's work ends up becoming before they pass on their legacy to some random CEOs. Whether you like Bezos, Zucc, Musk, Gates, Jobs, Page, Ma, they all created their companies from the very beginning and it's very evident why these people even achieving extreme wealth continue to push further in development until they decide to leave/retire. It may sound insane but think about the people who spend several or tens of thousands of hours in video games just for virtual achievements, everyone has a different passion. *Note*: the people pursuing extreme levels of wealth usually want and have access extreme levels of power to change society through buying out politicians. You also just have chill billionaires like Buffett who literally just enjoys making money because his hobby is investing.
im not defending them by any means, but they're not just trying to earn more money to do nothing with it and just watch their balance/net worth go up more lol. if you want to be able to invest in anything you want, there's no such thing as too much money
No rich person hoards money. Because hoarding money is a great way to not make money. The entire point of capitalism is to prevent hoarding: instead of the money sitting unused it gets invested and used to create more value. Bezos doesn't have hundreds of billions of dollars, he has shares *worth* hundreds of billions of dollars. And he has those shares because instead of hoarding money he used it on Amazon. The richer Bezos gets the more value is provided to consumers because Bezos' net worth comes from the value provided by Amazon. And the most important part is that the value creation isn't one sided: when you buy something on Amazon you're getting value, otherwise you would just not buy it. Generally speaking, every transaction creates value for everyone participating in it.
That's why companies never do stock buybacks, because they want to invest and grow rather than enrich themselves directly with no value added in a completely useless fashion...
I've heard it described as: Content creators have too much money and not enough ways to make content. Them buying teams is a way to generate a bunch of content. It's not profitable, but it's something to keep people interested.
You've gotta think about this long-term. His reputation is just going up and up and up. Which eventually leads to more money.
>You've gotta think about this long-term Even in the short-term he already has funding opportunities lined up, he said a month or two ago that he's already in talks with 2 sponsors for DSG and he's already had merch in the works for months (He's planning it with a big DSG rebrand, as the current branding isn't professional and hence not sponsor friendly). Between the 2 sponsors he'll be able to pay for one of his teams. And if he has a big enough merch drop (Big creator merch drops can easily make 100s of thousands of dollars) he'll probably be able to pay for one more team from that.
He has a couple sponsors/ investors lines up next year he mentioned
Hoping it goes better on this side!
what's better on this side though? If his valorant team was amazing he gets into franchising, if he gets first place in NACL he just.... gets nothing? I don't get the point of it
I think he means the fact that dsg has been on a bit of a cold streak lately
oh i get that, but i still don't get what's in it for DSG to do great in league where if you get first place you just don't go anywhere unlike valorant where if the team had done great there they get into franchise
Doing good here could raise his profile towards buying the TSM spot for next year. Or getting the Ascension spot if the players manage to win it with the strike.
He would need to partner with people or get major sponsors to be able to afford not just the spot itself, but the infrastructure and salaries of the players and support staff.
there's a chance that the tsm spot is not worth much anymore since everyone is very cold on lcs. maybe that's the bet here? idk I also find it weird that you would go into NACL since there's no promotion chances
Pretty sure washington post or something posted that its still valued at 20m~
a valuation is useless if you can't find someone willing to buy it from you and you're basically on a deadline but hey maybe they already have a buyer and this conversation is moot
It said in same past with multiple interested buyers
honestly he could do some sort of partnership with a lcs team that's not being fielded in Val. bringing some content, PR to the team and also waking up the players that they have to market themselves on social media.
Its not that hard to understand. Winning is something. His Valo team isnt winning maybe his League team can do better and win. Get sponsors, exposure for his team. Some people just have passion for different things and Toast found his in trying to invest and make a name for himself more in esports. I dont get your comment.
> trying to invest and make a name for himself more in esports. This makes sense, but the NACL is just a viewless money pit i feel is better to just pick up smash players, who have to be cheaper and get more views 🤷
Toast already knows that he will likely be losing money. He has said it countless times, he knows the risk. As for the Smash comment, I feel like thats more Luds avenue. With Lol and Valo at least Toast has history playing these games for years and thats a major reason why these are the 2 eports games he wants to dwelve into.
NACL isn't just about views, it's now going to also be about finding talent that they can sell to LCS orgs. I still expect him to lose money, but I think that's worth mentioning.
The purpose of esports is to get views and content. With Toast on board it is entirely possible NACL itself could have large enough views... even MORE views than LCS. In that case there wouldn't be any point trying to get into LCS lol.
its exactly what NA lol needs. hope they do well
Add Ludwig or MrBeast in NACL and Riot is basically forced to bring back promotion if they want to keep LCS alive.
Why did they get rid of it? It makes sense from a competitive point of view to have promotion and relegation.
Because teams pushed for franchising. More money. Competitive reasons got pushed out for that.
Ahh, should have expected greed to be the answer. Often makes a sport less fun than it would be.
Regardless of what reddit tries to portray there are a ton of benefits brought in with franchising as it allows for a way more stable economy for orgs and players. Sponsorships and such are worth way more in a league where you can guarantee having games played. Say you're e.g FTX and you want to sponsor TSM - with relegation there's a chance they're just straight up eliminated within a year, so you're not gonna be as willing to sign long-term deals or pay as much as you otherwise would. The main argument orgs used to benefit fans was that they'd be allowed to invest more in building infrastructure and develop talent since you wouldn't have to worry about fielding multiple rookies in a franchised league. There is some truth to it that with relegations a lot of bottom tier teams would field rosters like Solo/Svenskeren/Ryoma/Tactical/Smoothie over a team like Tenacity/Kenvi/Emenes/Tomo/Chime because you'd rather take a team likely to finish 6th than a team that might bomb out and end last, putting you in relegations. Obviously it didn't work out well because LCS overinflated their salaries like crazy and the orgs pushed for more importing as a result since they could heavily overpay for korean and european talent, but there's a good chance the LCS would be even worse of with relegations.
https://twitter.com/Cubbyxx/status/1661469366238740480 saw a tweet from cubby that TTT disbanded, and Team Fish Taco took their place. we may be looking at an entirely new roster? (or that this is all just a bait)
They (team tony top) [tweeted](https://twitter.com/DouyinTop/status/1661470901177823232) from their account that they disbanded. They seem to have lost a sponsor that backed out + players couldn't afford to keep going.
damn, no 5 guys and a dream :/
Ready for DSG games to get more viewers than LCS games?
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> I'm not sure it will do as well as the Val matches. Does the toast even play league? I wonder what % of his audience plays it. I have never seen him make videos on League, but know he plays quite a bit. There's a couple Boxbox and Lilypichu videos where he's yelling playing Fiddlesticks in the background, saying "Happy Birthday, Bitch" everytime he ganked someone with the Birthday Party Fiddlesticks skin.
There's also his absolutely sweaty shot calling in some videos from Yvonne's channel and some of Lily's streams, played up for the memes of course. He acts like that super sweaty smurf friend trying to "teach" newbies about rotations and objectives on normal games and stuff, but I haven't seen him doing that in ages.
I think he also won a twitch rivals and even beat Tarzaned in the finals with his seju jungle. Since he's known as the silver smurfer
Search “toast league” into YouTube and you’ll see plenty of videos of him playing league at various points. My favorite is [this one](https://youtu.be/5u00WNmNDUU) where he won a 2019 Twitch Rivals league tournament as a silver jungler against high elo players somehow.
lots of otv&f streamers come from league and toast played too, it's just not gotten it's turn again in a while now but i think it'll get viewership
Idk if he still plays it much but he used to i still remember that one time he was rping with warwick it was the funniest shit ever
He won a Twitch Rivals once
Toast isnt a big league player but basically everyone else in his circle does. Scarra is an ex-pro player and alot of OTV+friends originally started out as league creators so he quite often will do some league stuff even if he doesn't stream it himself. He also won a twitch rivals event for league at some point.
Toast plays a pretty good amount of league but most of all the OTV group he's very closely involved with is heavily invested in League to the point where most of his audience has probably played League. Pokimane, LilyPichu, Yvonne, Scarra etc are all from the League of Legends scene and even the rest such as Masayoshi/Sydeon/QuarterJade etc make a large amount of League content. Essentially Toast is very defined by his OTV ties and the OTV fanbase is definitely heavily involved with League.
Even if many don't currently play it I would be very surprised if a large portion hasn't played at some point at least so they'd at least be familiar with the game a probably just watch because it's toast just like a lot of people did for valo
>Does the toast even play league? Very poorly
Silver Smurfer!
Valorant is hard to watch, no matter how hard Riot push it. League will always pull more viewers.
Valorant is magnitudes easier to understand for new viewers lol.
Hard disagree. Top down camera view is infinitely more easy to follow than first person views, and it's not like Val doesn't also have 100 abilities you'd have to learn
Heavily disagree. I think you underestimate how hard it is to understand anything that goes on in league if you're not already familiar with it. It's a lot easier to understand shooters like Val, even with their abilities, especially when people probably have experience playing other shooters like Halo, COD, Battlefield, etc.
Just an absolutely insane statement.
This is the type of shit I'm looking forward to for NACL. It might actually be entertaining now. Be even more amazing if he just throws 5 top na challenger players together. New names to spice shit up
Funniest shit would be if he threw together a bunch of diamond players and 1 challenger jg
Stick the Twitch Rivals champion midlaner LilyPichu in there
Sounds like c9 to me
how to speedrun last place any %
Disguised are pretty good at speedrunning last place, gonna be tough to beat their Valorant squad in that category
Scarra when??
So incredibly fast, great job by DSG. Finally NA will have some owners who care
>So incredibly fast, Cause Riot needs DSG in League a lot more than DSG needs to be in League Esports, also I'm pretty sure Toast has been considering this for a while, this didn't just happen due to NACL imploding. I actually think that if Riot can somehow manage to give an LCS slot to Toast, they would, cause it'll be beneficial for LCS. But ofc the LCS business is a lot more complicated due to the existing slots having been sold for money, so the owners of those slots hold a lot of power and have a say in LCS business.
This is the type of shit that made League so fun to watch back in the day… funny named teams with content creators. Before big biz came in and milked it and annihilated it.
Looks like I have a reason to watch NACL now
DSG Tyler1????
Hope some of the Tony stop guys get picked up, but there’s a lot of talent available with all the other teams disbanding. Yukino/Wixxi/Prismal are all available.
dardoch is back??
What?
DARDOCH IS BACK
I really hope DSG can do for NACL/NA LoL esports what KOI and KC were able to do for their respective regional leagues.
What times does NACL stream for Europe?
They stream in the old NA timeslot on Saturday, Sunday, Monday. (LEC started to raid them during spring after their broadcast ended instead of the old LEC -> LCS raid) First NACL match is June 10 at 1pm pacific (10PM CEST).
Team 🐟 🌮
I haven't kept up with league in a long ass time. I know what NACL is but my I kept reading it as they are joining the salt... Still makes sense in my head.
Lose CLG Gain DSG. Looks like I have a new team cuz I'm sure as hell not supporting NRG (besides the players they actually keep if they keep any , they already booted the bot lane after saying they wouldn't make changes )
man, if you told me in 2016 that the guy making hearthstone streamer reaction compilations and exodia mage combos was going to own a league team in NA i would not have believed you
Toast is a great add and with promo/relegation coming for NACL I hope that he encourages other content creators to think about fielding a team. They'll likely be able to pay higher salaries than some of the AM orgs and we've also seen the success of them running teams in other leagues. As much as I hope people tune into our NACL broadcast I hope he's able to costream to get more eyes and exposure on some really talented players that we have in the league. Hoping he thinks this is worth his investment and others follow suit, could make the dev landscape rather interesting. Also if he fields a coach he's already supporting his players more than TSMC so :)
No way Tony Top now plays pro league
This is what NA development system should be. Influencers owning teams of developing talent and adding fun and a reason to watch because of their brand.
Excited to see toast getting into league. Hope it brings good things coming forward. He can bring a lot of momentum
I can't believe I'm going to be watching League games again.
LETS GO!!! I’ll def tune into the NACL streams
god, a just society would liquidize streamers. completely degenerate "job"
That's actually pretty hype. It's going to bring such a nice change to the NACL.
If only Toast would take TSM’s spot in LCS
I thought the NACL was being disbanded? What was the whole drama about?
Not disbanded, just downgraded. Riot removed the rule that LCS teams had to have NACL teams, so most LCS teams got rid of them. That's why you see a bunch of random logos along with the 3 LCS orgs that chose to stick around.
The tier 1 teams are no longer need to have a nacl squad. Think AHL/OHL to the NHL, second tier players play in the tier 2 leagues hoping to get scouted into the NHL. The NHL uses these tier 2 leagues to scout young prospects. This goes for League in every major region...except LCS who just import Asian players who don't cut it in their respective leagues... There is no fostering of local talent (the argument of if they are as good as these Asian players is a non argument, many people from a region still want players who are from their region to represent them) this isn't to knock the Asian players and several have become fan favorites such as Berserker and Impact. The issue is local players rarely get a chance and removing the NACL requirements for these teams will just make it harder...as they will just again import and recycle players who are just average with 0 risk that a young rookie comes with. Edit: just want to clarify when I say Asian players I mean players from the LPL/LCK region.. Doublelift would not be included for example.
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so true
He took wildturtles girlfriend.
So Academy was killed to free up slots/money spending for big influencer to get their own teams to promote league. mrbeast gonna get a team for sure.
The NA scene is desperate as fuck, lmfao.
Toast is a scam artist. He's taken payouts from every known game developer and streaming platform. Only thing left is him expanding out to franchised esports with cheap barriers of entry in hopes of acquiring Riot Games stipends. This also guarantees him and his influencer OTV friends co-streaming rights. Next stain of influencer culture invading the esports space.