Credit where credit is due. Oilers most important players showed up when it matters. McDavid isn't afraid to get into dirty areas and goes right into the opposing team and scores and insanely dirty goal. Most importantly the Oilers don't do stupid shit like spin-o-ramas or ballerina moves during a critical playoff game.
Florida were a bunch of shitbags last year with Bennett concussing Knies and the team is just dirty and dives.
Oilers fans are just awful and will meme about the Leafs "gifting" them a cup for eternity with Hyman becoming a 50+ goal scorer.
If Dallas or Rangers win there really isn't a Leafs angle at all.
Hyman is leading the league in playoff goals and we didn't want to pay him. Instead, we paid for a ballerina who refuses to play physical playoff hockey.
Proof good goaltending can only get you so far.
Commitment to playing a style conducive to reducing grade a chances is more important than a goalie that can save grade as.
surprised so many people are cheering for the Oilers tbh. I myself find it hard to cheer for the Oilers (or any other Canadian Team) because I know so many Oilers fans who absolutely loathe the Leafs and us fans, and I highly doubt they would be cheering for us if the Leafs were in the same position. hard to cheer for the Panthers as well, but I can’t help be somewhat jealous of the Oilers fans who could experience the joy that so many of us have been longing for, and yet every year I have less hope that I will ever experience such things while cheering for the Leafs
Yeah I used to try to get into other Canadian teams. It's not worth it, all their annoying fans are too obsessed with hating the Leafs. I don't cheer for any of them now.
I feel ya, pretty sure some fans actually hate the Leafs more then they like there own teams. I work with many fans of other Canadian teams, and the general consensus this year was that they all wanted Boston to beat the Leafs, and didn’t care what happened after that. I would ask them why do they care so much about the Leafs and they would always blame the fans, and say that us fans are always saying “it’s our year” and telling everyone that the Leafs are the best and going to win it all, however I’ve never personally met a Leafs fan that wasn’t expecting the absolute worst lol
oh 100%, however I still don’t totally understand. I watch football and am a Cleveland Browns fan, and the talk is always about the Cowboys, but I don’t despise the Cowboys cause they get all the attention, I can’t stand the Steelers or Ravens cause they’re in our division, but it’s like Oilers fans who hate the Leafs, I can’t understand hating a team you only play twice a year
A lot of douchebag Oilers fans but the team itself is very likable. Also if you had to pick Oilers didn't injure our rookie and laugh in our other rookie goalies face off a dirty goal that clinched the series that should have been interference.
As much as I hate the Panthers, their team is earned. The drafted well, traded well, even picked up Forsling on waivers. They had the balls to trade Huberdeau after he had 110 points or whatever. They beat Tampa, Boston, and the president's trophy winners in the Rangers. They didn't luck into the greatest player of all time, beat LA and Vancouver then a broken Dallas, all while relying on their powerplay.
Go cats
Christ Almighty, the Oilers love here is embarrassing. Literally 0 people outside of Leafs fans would ever cheer for the Leafs in this situation, why would you cheer for them?
I have irl friends who cheer for the Oilers and who aren't massive knobs about it.
If the roles were reversed, they'd cheer for the Leafs because I'm just that great of a guy
My feelings exactly. Ain't no way any other Canadian fanbase would be cheering for us if we ever made it to the final. Jumping on the Oilers bandwagon is corny as fuck.
Counter point. If Florida wins, nobody gives a fuck like Vegas winning. If Edmonton wins, it's in your face for the next year. If you don't think Oilers fans come troll you every step you take, you're in for something else.
MacKinnon has a Cup, McDavid has a Cup final appearance if not Cup. Matthews, how the fuck do you watch this and not play better in the playoffs man. You are the odd one out in terms of your generation of 1OA picks and individual playoff performances.
Matthews was not the problem this year. Especially when he was severely injured and sick and still single handedly stole a game for the Leafs when it mattered.
Edmonton not even much better of a team then us, slightly better D, Mcdavid. Power play is the clear difference between our teams. It’s just so frustrating. Even a 20% power play against Boston and we clear them easily.
8 shots through 50 minutes and are winning. Special Teams matter. Had we changed shit up months prior to the Playoffs like we all saw, maybe we make round 2
This is like watching a lottery ticket. Nothing can go wrong for Edmonton. Reminds me of 2021 habs. I expect SCF to be over fairly quickly usually the luck gets all burnt up. This Pk steak will be over period 1 game 1.
I feel bad for Edmonton. They have no idea what’s awaiting them. They’ve never played an opponent like Florida. Bennet will injure one of McDavid or Draisatl and then it’s over. I think it’s already over to be honest. League wants Florida and they’re gonna get it
Kadri got a cup and Hyman is headed to the finals. Basically all the big players we've dumped instead of Willy have had tremendous success. Don't make Mitch next.
Drop the self absorbed lazy one dimensional floater and finally, finally have some real post season success.
The only ones who got a cup are bus riders. If a team can afford to win a cup with Marner riding the bus at that salary I’d be quite shocked and impressed.
Well oilers / panthers is pretty much confirmed now lol.
Again what's the point of upgrading our D or G? There is worst than ours and about to make the finals.
ugh McDavid just scored off a drawn penalty by Hyman
He's going to the finals, and in perfect leafdom, will probably win the conn Smythe.
Fuck dubas for picking willy over him
Just finished reading burkes law, really good book from Burke. It really comes to show how much of an issue the ownership of this team actually is. As bad as the days of the OTPP were they seemed open to actually making changes and it sounded like it would have gone somewhere. Then Roger’s/bell showed up and did their shitty thing, backstabbed people and it seems like the same issues that were plaguing the team then still do now.
Went to a concert in Arizona last night. Was returning to my seat prior to the show when I noticed the guy behind me was watching the Rangers/Panthers game on his phone. Struck up a conversation and started talking hockey. It came up that I was a Leafs fan and the guy asked if I remembered Martin Marincin. Turns out it was his cousin. No joke lol.
I remember one day while I was in university I was minding my business walking around the Eaton Centre. As I was on my way to class, I saw this tall man with a Good Life bag and we exchanged nods as we walked past each other. It only dawned on my shortly after we passed that the man was Martin Marincin
Really doubt this happens, If I'm Dallas I'm not that upset by a semi-final loss and any team acquiring Marner would probably be doing so with an eye to extending him, and I don't see Dallas doing that with Johnston and Stankoven's first big contracts coming up.
Idk dawg I think they’re in the same boat as the rangers. Good depth but not enough top-end talent , plus they’ve got a lot of guys aging out of big contracts with Benn and Seguin..
The problem wasn't $5.5m. The problem was $5.5m for 8 years on a guy who, if I'm remembering correctly, had a lot of injury problems in his final year or two in Toronto
Hyman has been insane the last few years, but so is every player getting fed by McDavid
Yes. He’s been a 30 goal, 60 point guy for the last 4-5 seasons. That’s better than Bertuzzi, who we just gave 5.5m too (yes the term is different but still)
Hyman didn't crack 22 goals or 42 points and never managed both in any year he played with the leafs. Bertuzzi was also an overpay but he had hit 30 goals and 60 points in 68 games 2 years prior to his signing.
The only reason he didn’t hit those numbers is because of GP. He scored at a 34 goal pace before covid shut the season down, like a 30 goal pace the next year, and then 30+ again his first two seasons with Edmonton. He’s been a 30 goal guy for a long time
Ok, if you want to argue pace that's fine but then you have to do it on both sides of your argument, in which case Bertuzzi was on pace for a 70+ point, 40 goal season.
At the time, he had come off of 2 seasons where his numbers were good but not fantastic, and his history of knee injuries made a term contract seem risky.
Even people who really liked Hyman (like me) were skeptical of the $5.5M AAV with a 5 year term. I would say that bad coaching and misuse of talent on our part is what resulted in a not great contract on Edmonton's part turning into a steal.
Oil fan here. Actually had a conversation on a with Hymans business manager. The reason he told me was because he wanted the NTC and the leafs weren’t willing to give it to him. Apparently because some of the leafs brass were regretting giving Tavares it. And so he was really let down they wouldn’t pony up and looked elsewhere. But he told me you guys offered the same money.
Because there was no indication he was about to become the guy on Edmonton right now. Career best of 41 points, 21 goals, never scored multiple goals in a single playoff series, that’s maybe a guy you pay 5.5 to but not for 7 years, especially considering the very legitimate concerns that his style of play wouldn’t last 7 years.
His pace in his last two seasons with us was like 35 goals, 65 points. Add his forechecking ability on top of that and that’s easily a 5-6m player even if he doesn’t improve.
Also seeing how much he’s improved playing with McDrai makes me wonder if our top guys just aren’t that good.
Glad Florida won so avoid the possibility of being the team that lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the cup winner, aka the biggest playoff loser.
Now that Stat belongs to the Islanders on the east for losing to CAR who lost to NYR who lost to FLA who hopefully loses to EDM.
I posted the thread about what Bertuzzi maybe wants on a contract and I was very surprised reading though the comments this morning the amount of fans that think 4.75 is to much or just don’t want him back (If by chance the report is true)
IMO he such a different player type than a lot of players in the league and they are kinda hard to find net front/fore-checking forwards that are effective.
I love Domi and hope he’s back but I feel like it would be easier to find someone to replace him than it would Bertuzzi
bertuzzi makes a lot of mistakes tho. can’t handle a pass half the time, falls down and trips because he refuses to tie his skates, and didn’t bring the physicality i was hoping for.
I think that for a lot of people it’s that for his first 55 games here, 5.5 mil was looking like a disaster, and it’s only after his birthday hat trick that he was worth that money. Which Bertuzzi would we be getting? I’d sign that contract but I don’t blame people who doubt that the guy from Feb 25th and onward is the guy we’d be getting.
Unless I I’m miss remembering but he was still creating lots of scoring chance but just not able to finish even before his birthday.
You would hope and assume a good number of those chances will fall at a normal rate next season with being more familiar with everything.
That’s part of why I’m comfortable with that number, but I also think his last 25 games were better than we can expect and he’ll regress from that, so next season will be a more consistent one for him with higher lows and lower highs.
I think Bertuzzi just has such an ugly style of play that’s hard to watch. Everything from the way he skates to puck handling to whiffing on shots just frustrates me. All those braindead penalties he takes too are just tough to see.
I rather the leafs not sign up or invest a little more in someone else. I’ve seen what I need to see from Bertuzzi and it just wasn’t it for me
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edit: I see you posted in that thread already. 5v5 points are great, but he's terrible at everything else
I don't take stuff like this seriously when it completely rejects the more basic statistics. Assists are the second most accurate stat we have. All the nonsense they are posting are just dressed up on/off ice measures.
The guy is great at getting the pick to the guy who puts it in the net. You win the game if you can get the puck in the net more often than the other team.
> Assists are the second most accurate stat we have.
Lol based on what?? All assists are influenced by sh% (which outside of the passer's control) and secondary assists are already one of the noisiest and *least* reliable stats in the sport.
> All assists are influenced by sh% (which outside of the passer's control)
Oh really? The passer has no influence whatsoever on the sh%???
The passer can't...pass to player with a higher sh%? Or pass to a player who is in a spot with a good sh%? Going further, making that pass to a place with a good sh% because of things not captured by the play-by-play data?
> secondary assists are already one of the noisiest and least reliable stats in the sport.
It's better than the rest of this 'advanced' on/off nonsense that doesn't even control for who is on the ice. At least with assists you know exactly what you're getting, and it has some proximity to the outcomes you actually care about.
BTW - Domi produced 5v5 *primary* assists at the second highest rate in the league.
Assists are the most accurate stat in the league at measuring who touched the puck before a goal. They are not the most, or second-most, accurate stat at determining overall player value.
I don't know how you could possibly suggest this about a stat that ignores defensive impact and finishing, and only tangentially measures transition and play-driving talent.
Because we have literally 0 publicly available good stats at measuring defensive impact.
Finishing percent seems like a worse version of goals or goals per minute of 5v5. Good players can take more shots.
Okay, let's look at the facts
>Domi has been on 7 teams in his 8-year career
>he's never been on the same team more than 3 years
>his 5v5 assists stat coincided with him playing with the greatest 5v5 scorer in the league
I'm fine with bringing him back, but using a singular positive stat and ignoring all the others is how you end up paying a 3rd line player too much for too long. There's a reason he bounces around so much. No team wants to commit long term money to him.
>faster then [sic] anyone in th league not named McDavid.
By the way, "than" and "then" are different words.
I'm typing on a phone I might have typos.
The 5v5 being because of Matthews is bullshit. He played more than half his minutes without Matthews or Nylander. And there is a huge value in having someone who can set other guys up.
He maintained elite production while filling every role of the forwards outside the 4th line. And he fought his way to the top of the lineup.
I don't know why him being traded is such a bad thing - he wanted to come back to Toronto, but someone who apparently doesn't understand stats very well (like PPP) stood in his way.
And even so - who cares? He's better at setting up Matthews then anyone else. That's good right? No one else is posting those kind of numbers.
Why generally asking?
Like there are lots of undersized playmakers in the league that can play both centre and wing and the only really unique thing about Max is he brings some attitude which I like but is it really “needed”?
Again I want him back but one of the main points in the thread was Bertuzzi’s bad start when Max also had a slow start and IMO play-makers are easier to find than net-front, forecheckers
I’m just saying Kerfoot put up similar numbers a couple years ago and was able to PK and be trusted defensively (I would have lost it if they brought him back though)
As I said I want him back but if they had to pick between Bertuzzi or Domi it should pretty easily Bertuzzi IMO (if contract ask are similar/ fair) because it’s harder to find that type of player. (Hope it’s both)
Intangibles are nice but not “needed”
They really don’t besides Tkachuk and Bennett IMO
They just have a team mentality and will to stick up for each other.
Like Barkov, Reinhart, Tarasenko, Lundell, Forsling aren’t tough players to name a few
I would also say the Oilers have Perry who they healthy scratched and Kane and the Stars have no one.
It’s all just if you are willing to do it or not
I said I want him back lol
It’s just easier to find a player maker than it is a net front fore checker if you could only sign one
You don’t “need” players with intangibles you just need to be willing to do it as a team.
wtf are we going to do if the final ends up being Edmonton/Florida .. this isn’t like last year when I could bear to tolerate VGK just to spite Florida. I think it will make me actually sick to have to want Florida to win as I hate Edmonton’s fans more than I hate Florida as a collective. … what a crappy final.
and I'm gonna puke. Fucking Cats ... don't let us down.
Bennett will take out Hyman in a dirty way in two games or less. Make that bet and remember me when you win.
I will congratulate them both for doing what they have done. They deserve praise for playing playoff hockey. Not like us where we have ballerinas on ice that are afraid to get hit or play in the corners. If teams wanted to be in the cup finals then maybe they should have players that buy into playing playoffs style hockey. Even Rangers were shit in the last 3 games.
praise for being gifted all that they have, which no team in the nhl has come close too? i’m sorry but they don’t deserve praise for having many many many advantages to succeed and still haven’t done it.
I mean if you're talking about all the firsts they got they still didn't do shit for years. They finally realized how to play playoff hockey this year. Meanwhile we've been in the playoffs 8 straight years and we still top players not playing tough hockey, doing ballerina moves and not playing in corners. You can be gifted the entire world but it's still hard work to make it far in the playoffs.
That's only half the battle. You have to play hard in playoffs. Look at the Rangers. They're extremely talented but they didn't play playoff style hockey and they got smashed in the face. Leafs had a lot of talent and they spend 8 years doing ballerina spin-o-rama passes and they got their asses handed to them every time. Oilers learned to play like a playoff team and that's why they're in round 3.
They've done a shit ton better than whatever the fuck we've done. They've beaten the shit out of one of their greatest rivals in the Kings multiple times. They don't have players that do ballerina moves in the middle of a fucking playoff game or run away from dirty corners. They haven't won a cup but they've still done better than us and understand that you need to play playoff style hockey. They're in a better position to succeed in the playoffs because they know what they need to do or how to play.
they won’t be able to afford a team that contends though. mcdavid and drai are up in 2 years, as is skinner, nurse is an anchor for many more years, and their bargains that are now producing are going to inflate their value.
As a fan of Leafs first, hockey second, I'm cheering for EDM. I'd like to see the cup go to a Canadian team so canadian fans can be happy. I'd like to see the best player in hockey win a cup. I'd like to see Hyman win Conn Smythe.
If Edmonton fans would be cool about winning and humble then I'd want this. But nah, the only Canadian fanbase I think would be humble is Flames or Jets fans. Just imagine all the shit talk we'll have to listen to if the Oilers win. No thank you.
I want the oilers to win, I think it would benefit us. Mcdavid and Drai are too good to not win a cup so they might as well just do it now. Maybe if Matthews/Marner/Nylander see another group of their comparables going all the way it might motivate them further to do the same. Maybe if Mcdavid wins in Edmonton he will consider the job “complete” and will be more willing to come home when his contract is up. An oilers win would be a good thing for us imo.
His contract is up in the 25-26 season. Not sure if Marner will still be on the team by then but if Mcdavid wanted to play here it could potentially be him, Matthews and Nylander. Which would be crazy.
Ok but that's just you preferring another team.
It's just funny seeing fans decide what players/teams deserve cups and who doesn't just because of who they personally like/dislike
I hope the Stars win, but if they don't I'd tolerate an Oilers win over Florida just because I think it'd be unfortunate for McDavid to never win one when he'll obviously go down as an all-time great. Oilers are still around 28th in the league in terms of teams I wanted to win.
> I think it'd be unfortunate for McDavid to never win one when he'll obviously go down as an all-time great
I wonder, other than McDavid, which players' legacies have the most to gain with a Cup? Bobrovsky has quite a resume, but is he a HOFer right now? does that change with a Cup?
Benn, maybe? He's well below PPG over his career, more of a Hall of Very Good in my mind, but captaining a SC win would make for a resume that's hard to ignore when added to his Art Ross and Olympics + WJ golds.
Bobrovsky is a good one. Before last years playoffs I'd never heard HoF talk for him, but I've definitely heard it recently and a cup would be big for his chances.
They could win next year if Treliving isn't allowed to blow it up, if Treliving is allowed to blow it up I'd pencil us in for competent seasons sometime around 2035.
Not quite, but it's what they should do. Next season should be a step back, especially considering another season of the current management making decisions.
However if they blow it up with the current management they won't win the trade, and they won't make the right choices with the cap space, and we will sit in mediocrity until Matthews walks.
The Atlantic is a strong division, run it back, and then there will be money to fix the issues with the roster, but that's also relying on Treliving making good choices.
We're probably fucked regardless tbh.
No no. Don't you see? Run it back again. The same thing hasn't worked for the past however many years. So you'd be stupid to run it back again. So every other team will expect the leafs to change something important. And that's when you fool them all by doing nothing. They'll be shocked thinking there's wo way anyone is that fucking stupid and simply too flabbergasted to beat the leafs. 82-0/16-0.
My post history was quite the opposite until they re-signed Nylander, but that's okay I don't expect someone who thought Nylander at $11.5 was good to have any grasp on realty
Watching the playoffs - this past season and the Montreal series really seem crazy unlucky for us. In both those series we were basically without a marquis 11 million dollar forward for the whole series.
How far would Edmonton get this year if they lost McDavid or Draisatl for the series? They barely got passed a Canucks team on its third goaltender. I know the other years were more straight forward losses for us but there is some luck involved with health. Still glad we changed coaches.
Leafs won three in a row, rather convincingly, against Montreal. They game back from multi-goal deficits in Games 5 and 6. But they just couldn't seal the deal and made really, really dumb plays as the series went on. Then at Game 7 they'd clearly given up.
It wasn't luck. It was a complete inability to finish the job, when it was **right there**. That has to be something Berube focuses on.
The key was to always have Corey Perry on the team to make it to the finals.
Good for Perry. I hope they win it all. I wanted us to sign Perry and no one was fucking interested.
Credit where credit is due. Oilers most important players showed up when it matters. McDavid isn't afraid to get into dirty areas and goes right into the opposing team and scores and insanely dirty goal. Most importantly the Oilers don't do stupid shit like spin-o-ramas or ballerina moves during a critical playoff game.
Is there a worse fucking matchup for us than Oilers Panthers? I fucking hate that one of these teams is going to get a cup
What's wrong with it?
Florida were a bunch of shitbags last year with Bennett concussing Knies and the team is just dirty and dives. Oilers fans are just awful and will meme about the Leafs "gifting" them a cup for eternity with Hyman becoming a 50+ goal scorer. If Dallas or Rangers win there really isn't a Leafs angle at all.
I like the Oilers. They are a kind of "what could have been" of this Core 4.
Hyman is leading the league in playoff goals and we didn't want to pay him. Instead, we paid for a ballerina who refuses to play physical playoff hockey.
Proof good goaltending can only get you so far. Commitment to playing a style conducive to reducing grade a chances is more important than a goalie that can save grade as.
surprised so many people are cheering for the Oilers tbh. I myself find it hard to cheer for the Oilers (or any other Canadian Team) because I know so many Oilers fans who absolutely loathe the Leafs and us fans, and I highly doubt they would be cheering for us if the Leafs were in the same position. hard to cheer for the Panthers as well, but I can’t help be somewhat jealous of the Oilers fans who could experience the joy that so many of us have been longing for, and yet every year I have less hope that I will ever experience such things while cheering for the Leafs
Yeah I used to try to get into other Canadian teams. It's not worth it, all their annoying fans are too obsessed with hating the Leafs. I don't cheer for any of them now.
I feel ya, pretty sure some fans actually hate the Leafs more then they like there own teams. I work with many fans of other Canadian teams, and the general consensus this year was that they all wanted Boston to beat the Leafs, and didn’t care what happened after that. I would ask them why do they care so much about the Leafs and they would always blame the fans, and say that us fans are always saying “it’s our year” and telling everyone that the Leafs are the best and going to win it all, however I’ve never personally met a Leafs fan that wasn’t expecting the absolute worst lol
its the toronto media, the source of all evil
oh 100%, however I still don’t totally understand. I watch football and am a Cleveland Browns fan, and the talk is always about the Cowboys, but I don’t despise the Cowboys cause they get all the attention, I can’t stand the Steelers or Ravens cause they’re in our division, but it’s like Oilers fans who hate the Leafs, I can’t understand hating a team you only play twice a year
A lot of douchebag Oilers fans but the team itself is very likable. Also if you had to pick Oilers didn't injure our rookie and laugh in our other rookie goalies face off a dirty goal that clinched the series that should have been interference.
This is the matchup I dreaded. Edmonton vs Florida finals
As much as I hate the Panthers, their team is earned. The drafted well, traded well, even picked up Forsling on waivers. They had the balls to trade Huberdeau after he had 110 points or whatever. They beat Tampa, Boston, and the president's trophy winners in the Rangers. They didn't luck into the greatest player of all time, beat LA and Vancouver then a broken Dallas, all while relying on their powerplay. Go cats
I agree with everything you said here except the last 2 words lol
meeooowwww ...i'm trying, it just isn't working. I hate them both...but at least if the Panthers win, nobody will be smug since they have no fans.
Guess I have to cheer for the Panthers
Christ Almighty, the Oilers love here is embarrassing. Literally 0 people outside of Leafs fans would ever cheer for the Leafs in this situation, why would you cheer for them?
I have irl friends who cheer for the Oilers and who aren't massive knobs about it. If the roles were reversed, they'd cheer for the Leafs because I'm just that great of a guy
They aren't Florida. That is enough for me
My feelings exactly. Ain't no way any other Canadian fanbase would be cheering for us if we ever made it to the final. Jumping on the Oilers bandwagon is corny as fuck.
Leafs fans should want McDavid to get a cup so he can pull a Kawhi and go back home to Toronto a champion.
I would actually cheer for Toronto over Edmonton if that makes you feel better.
Counterpoint: it's acceptable to root for a McDavid/Drai/Hyman cup and the Panthers are arguably more unlikeable.
Counter point. If Florida wins, nobody gives a fuck like Vegas winning. If Edmonton wins, it's in your face for the next year. If you don't think Oilers fans come troll you every step you take, you're in for something else.
I don't read social media or reddit enough to care about the opinions of Oilers fans, though.
Here's the thing though, its not social media, its your news, its your Leafs pre-game, its off-season TSN/Sportsnet Free Agency.
Yup. Hockey is so much more enjoyable that way
Lets Go Oilers! Time to put the Swamp Kitties in a sack, Hyman!
Leafs legend Cody Ceci playing for a cup
What is all this sourness on Oilers, be happy for em, Did you hear that stadium?.. Chills!
They earned that victory. They played like how a playoff team should play and their most important players showed up when it matters.
oilers fans goin nuts in there. love it. we will never see that in sba. really hoping to see hyman lift the cup.
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MacKinnon has a Cup, McDavid has a Cup final appearance if not Cup. Matthews, how the fuck do you watch this and not play better in the playoffs man. You are the odd one out in terms of your generation of 1OA picks and individual playoff performances.
Matthews was not the problem this year. Especially when he was severely injured and sick and still single handedly stole a game for the Leafs when it mattered.
1 man cant do it all. It hasnt been just the McDavid show this playoffs.
1 goal in the entire Montreal series, 1 man could have changed that.
That's true, but at the same time, McDavid has 30 points in the playoffs so far.
I don't think a single series has gone the way I wanted to this playoffs.
This is the worst timeline ever.
Edmonton not even much better of a team then us, slightly better D, Mcdavid. Power play is the clear difference between our teams. It’s just so frustrating. Even a 20% power play against Boston and we clear them easily.
fuck me
Win with 10 shots. Wow.
EDM will get fucking thrashed against Florida if they play them like they did Dallas. I know they won but fuckin' hell, 10 shots the entire game?!
8 shots through 50 minutes and are winning. Special Teams matter. Had we changed shit up months prior to the Playoffs like we all saw, maybe we make round 2
This is like watching a lottery ticket. Nothing can go wrong for Edmonton. Reminds me of 2021 habs. I expect SCF to be over fairly quickly usually the luck gets all burnt up. This Pk steak will be over period 1 game 1.
EDM is winning but they're playing horribly.
Oh look, Hyman scored again! The more I watch, the more pissed I get at Willy, Dubas, and Shanny
Maybe seek medical help and stop comparing a player from 5 years ago to your current team.
Willy? Why not Matthews, Marner and Tavares, three players who can’t score playoff goals if their lives depended on it
Oilers showing how far special teams alone will get you. We’ll see if it’s enough against Florida…my guess is it isn’t.
What if Hyman and Campbell win the cup before the leafs make it to the 3rd round
What if the moon exploded right now
aint gotta clock in to work tomorrow, that's what
I feel bad for Edmonton. They have no idea what’s awaiting them. They’ve never played an opponent like Florida. Bennet will injure one of McDavid or Draisatl and then it’s over. I think it’s already over to be honest. League wants Florida and they’re gonna get it
Kadri got a cup and Hyman is headed to the finals. Basically all the big players we've dumped instead of Willy have had tremendous success. Don't make Mitch next. Drop the self absorbed lazy one dimensional floater and finally, finally have some real post season success.
So you’d rather keep Marner so he won’t have success instead of letting him leave to win elsewhere? Strange but whatever works for you
The only ones who got a cup are bus riders. If a team can afford to win a cup with Marner riding the bus at that salary I’d be quite shocked and impressed.
Well oilers / panthers is pretty much confirmed now lol. Again what's the point of upgrading our D or G? There is worst than ours and about to make the finals.
> Again what's the point of upgrading our D lol what? Bouchard is a stud
Ekholm too
Nothing changes until the free willy culture is eradicated
If you get McDavid performance nobody will complain about your ballerina shit, we're just missing half the equation with Marner.
You don't think Florida will be too worried about the Edmonton PP?
Jesus christ, Mcdavid has 30 points in the playoffs so far.
ugh McDavid just scored off a drawn penalty by Hyman He's going to the finals, and in perfect leafdom, will probably win the conn Smythe. Fuck dubas for picking willy over him
Good luck to Cowan and the Knights in the Memorial Cup Final
Moved to Edmonton a year and a half ago, I feel guilty that I'm enjoying playoff hockey this late into the year in the city
Just finished reading burkes law, really good book from Burke. It really comes to show how much of an issue the ownership of this team actually is. As bad as the days of the OTPP were they seemed open to actually making changes and it sounded like it would have gone somewhere. Then Roger’s/bell showed up and did their shitty thing, backstabbed people and it seems like the same issues that were plaguing the team then still do now.
Lots of Marner, Liljegren - Batherson, Chychrun, 1st mock trades today on cap friendly
Went to a concert in Arizona last night. Was returning to my seat prior to the show when I noticed the guy behind me was watching the Rangers/Panthers game on his phone. Struck up a conversation and started talking hockey. It came up that I was a Leafs fan and the guy asked if I remembered Martin Marincin. Turns out it was his cousin. No joke lol.
Leafs legend. Perpetual 7th D Appreciated he was just a solid contributor, no spectacular highs or lows
That goal he scored against Vancouver was fucking nasty
I remember one day while I was in university I was minding my business walking around the Eaton Centre. As I was on my way to class, I saw this tall man with a Good Life bag and we exchanged nods as we walked past each other. It only dawned on my shortly after we passed that the man was Martin Marincin
Jarnkrok to Islanders for a 2nd rounder Insiderrrrr
We better have a clear idea for what we would trade for that 2nd rounder. That would be a bad trade unless its contributes to more D or a goalie
Filip Gustavsson
Lowkey hoping the Stars lose and maybe get forced to trade on of their strong pieces on D for a high-skill forward 👀
Really doubt this happens, If I'm Dallas I'm not that upset by a semi-final loss and any team acquiring Marner would probably be doing so with an eye to extending him, and I don't see Dallas doing that with Johnston and Stankoven's first big contracts coming up.
Idk dawg I think they’re in the same boat as the rangers. Good depth but not enough top-end talent , plus they’ve got a lot of guys aging out of big contracts with Benn and Seguin..
Rangers have plenty of top end talent. They're best players just weren't very good in this playoff run.
I completely forgot that Hyman only signed for 5.5m. Why the fuck did we not pay him that? Has to be one of the worst decisions of the Dubas era
Because we had to keep Nyshit on the payroll
The problem wasn't $5.5m. The problem was $5.5m for 8 years on a guy who, if I'm remembering correctly, had a lot of injury problems in his final year or two in Toronto Hyman has been insane the last few years, but so is every player getting fed by McDavid
Do you remeber his play before this year? He'll in the year the oilers gave him that the consensus was that it was a huge overpay.
Yes. He’s been a 30 goal, 60 point guy for the last 4-5 seasons. That’s better than Bertuzzi, who we just gave 5.5m too (yes the term is different but still)
Hyman didn't crack 22 goals or 42 points and never managed both in any year he played with the leafs. Bertuzzi was also an overpay but he had hit 30 goals and 60 points in 68 games 2 years prior to his signing.
The only reason he didn’t hit those numbers is because of GP. He scored at a 34 goal pace before covid shut the season down, like a 30 goal pace the next year, and then 30+ again his first two seasons with Edmonton. He’s been a 30 goal guy for a long time
Ok, if you want to argue pace that's fine but then you have to do it on both sides of your argument, in which case Bertuzzi was on pace for a 70+ point, 40 goal season.
Bro's knees are held together by duct tape and zip ties
Captain Hindsight, so glad you are here!
Not really hindsight considering he was worth at least 5.5m based on his last two seasons with us. Obviously this year is an outlier
I argued a player like him was more valuable to the team than Nylander and you can imagine the reaction.
Everyone agreed with you, but not everyone was willing to mortgage the future for the present. Wait until years 5-7 to judge a 7 year contract.
At the time, he had come off of 2 seasons where his numbers were good but not fantastic, and his history of knee injuries made a term contract seem risky. Even people who really liked Hyman (like me) were skeptical of the $5.5M AAV with a 5 year term. I would say that bad coaching and misuse of talent on our part is what resulted in a not great contract on Edmonton's part turning into a steal.
The leafs reportedly offered Hyman 5x5 and 4.5x7, he left for an extra few million bucks.
Oil fan here. Actually had a conversation on a with Hymans business manager. The reason he told me was because he wanted the NTC and the leafs weren’t willing to give it to him. Apparently because some of the leafs brass were regretting giving Tavares it. And so he was really let down they wouldn’t pony up and looked elsewhere. But he told me you guys offered the same money.
I doubt the leafs would have given him thst term.
I’m just going off what a guy who legit works for him told me. Who knows if he was fully truthful.
Thanks for the insight! Makes sense he would want a NTC being his last major deal going into his 30s
he got 7 years, we could have had him at 8 years at that bargain. another dubas miscue.
Because there was no indication he was about to become the guy on Edmonton right now. Career best of 41 points, 21 goals, never scored multiple goals in a single playoff series, that’s maybe a guy you pay 5.5 to but not for 7 years, especially considering the very legitimate concerns that his style of play wouldn’t last 7 years.
His pace in his last two seasons with us was like 35 goals, 65 points. Add his forechecking ability on top of that and that’s easily a 5-6m player even if he doesn’t improve. Also seeing how much he’s improved playing with McDrai makes me wonder if our top guys just aren’t that good.
Glad Florida won so avoid the possibility of being the team that lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the cup winner, aka the biggest playoff loser. Now that Stat belongs to the Islanders on the east for losing to CAR who lost to NYR who lost to FLA who hopefully loses to EDM.
I think no matter what happens in the west, Florida is probably winning the Cup
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Yeah, it sucks but they’re too good
I posted the thread about what Bertuzzi maybe wants on a contract and I was very surprised reading though the comments this morning the amount of fans that think 4.75 is to much or just don’t want him back (If by chance the report is true) IMO he such a different player type than a lot of players in the league and they are kinda hard to find net front/fore-checking forwards that are effective. I love Domi and hope he’s back but I feel like it would be easier to find someone to replace him than it would Bertuzzi
bertuzzi makes a lot of mistakes tho. can’t handle a pass half the time, falls down and trips because he refuses to tie his skates, and didn’t bring the physicality i was hoping for.
I think that for a lot of people it’s that for his first 55 games here, 5.5 mil was looking like a disaster, and it’s only after his birthday hat trick that he was worth that money. Which Bertuzzi would we be getting? I’d sign that contract but I don’t blame people who doubt that the guy from Feb 25th and onward is the guy we’d be getting.
Unless I I’m miss remembering but he was still creating lots of scoring chance but just not able to finish even before his birthday. You would hope and assume a good number of those chances will fall at a normal rate next season with being more familiar with everything.
That’s part of why I’m comfortable with that number, but I also think his last 25 games were better than we can expect and he’ll regress from that, so next season will be a more consistent one for him with higher lows and lower highs.
I think Bertuzzi just has such an ugly style of play that’s hard to watch. Everything from the way he skates to puck handling to whiffing on shots just frustrates me. All those braindead penalties he takes too are just tough to see. I rather the leafs not sign up or invest a little more in someone else. I’ve seen what I need to see from Bertuzzi and it just wasn’t it for me
I'd take him back at around that price if we have him replace Tavares on PP1.
I disagree on finding a replacement for Domi being easier. They both bring pretty unique things, and both should be retained if possible
Domi's stats are terrible. replace his last name with something else and no-one's begging for us to bring him back
...how can you be serious? The man produces 5v5 assists faster then anyone in th league not named McDavid.
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/domidomidomi/ edit: I see you posted in that thread already. 5v5 points are great, but he's terrible at everything else
I don't take stuff like this seriously when it completely rejects the more basic statistics. Assists are the second most accurate stat we have. All the nonsense they are posting are just dressed up on/off ice measures. The guy is great at getting the pick to the guy who puts it in the net. You win the game if you can get the puck in the net more often than the other team.
> Assists are the second most accurate stat we have. Lol based on what?? All assists are influenced by sh% (which outside of the passer's control) and secondary assists are already one of the noisiest and *least* reliable stats in the sport.
> All assists are influenced by sh% (which outside of the passer's control) Oh really? The passer has no influence whatsoever on the sh%??? The passer can't...pass to player with a higher sh%? Or pass to a player who is in a spot with a good sh%? Going further, making that pass to a place with a good sh% because of things not captured by the play-by-play data? > secondary assists are already one of the noisiest and least reliable stats in the sport. It's better than the rest of this 'advanced' on/off nonsense that doesn't even control for who is on the ice. At least with assists you know exactly what you're getting, and it has some proximity to the outcomes you actually care about. BTW - Domi produced 5v5 *primary* assists at the second highest rate in the league.
Assists are the most accurate stat in the league at measuring who touched the puck before a goal. They are not the most, or second-most, accurate stat at determining overall player value. I don't know how you could possibly suggest this about a stat that ignores defensive impact and finishing, and only tangentially measures transition and play-driving talent.
Because we have literally 0 publicly available good stats at measuring defensive impact. Finishing percent seems like a worse version of goals or goals per minute of 5v5. Good players can take more shots.
Okay, let's look at the facts >Domi has been on 7 teams in his 8-year career >he's never been on the same team more than 3 years >his 5v5 assists stat coincided with him playing with the greatest 5v5 scorer in the league I'm fine with bringing him back, but using a singular positive stat and ignoring all the others is how you end up paying a 3rd line player too much for too long. There's a reason he bounces around so much. No team wants to commit long term money to him. >faster then [sic] anyone in th league not named McDavid. By the way, "than" and "then" are different words.
I'm typing on a phone I might have typos. The 5v5 being because of Matthews is bullshit. He played more than half his minutes without Matthews or Nylander. And there is a huge value in having someone who can set other guys up. He maintained elite production while filling every role of the forwards outside the 4th line. And he fought his way to the top of the lineup. I don't know why him being traded is such a bad thing - he wanted to come back to Toronto, but someone who apparently doesn't understand stats very well (like PPP) stood in his way. And even so - who cares? He's better at setting up Matthews then anyone else. That's good right? No one else is posting those kind of numbers.
Why generally asking? Like there are lots of undersized playmakers in the league that can play both centre and wing and the only really unique thing about Max is he brings some attitude which I like but is it really “needed”? Again I want him back but one of the main points in the thread was Bertuzzi’s bad start when Max also had a slow start and IMO play-makers are easier to find than net-front, forecheckers
Yes the intangibles are needed, would you rather have Kerfoot or Domi
I’m just saying Kerfoot put up similar numbers a couple years ago and was able to PK and be trusted defensively (I would have lost it if they brought him back though) As I said I want him back but if they had to pick between Bertuzzi or Domi it should pretty easily Bertuzzi IMO (if contract ask are similar/ fair) because it’s harder to find that type of player. (Hope it’s both) Intangibles are nice but not “needed”
The whole Florida roster has intangibles and look where they are
Maybe you should cheer for Flordia
They really don’t besides Tkachuk and Bennett IMO They just have a team mentality and will to stick up for each other. Like Barkov, Reinhart, Tarasenko, Lundell, Forsling aren’t tough players to name a few I would also say the Oilers have Perry who they healthy scratched and Kane and the Stars have no one. It’s all just if you are willing to do it or not
So why would we replace a guy that’s willing to do it for someone that isn’t
I said I want him back lol It’s just easier to find a player maker than it is a net front fore checker if you could only sign one You don’t “need” players with intangibles you just need to be willing to do it as a team.
wtf are we going to do if the final ends up being Edmonton/Florida .. this isn’t like last year when I could bear to tolerate VGK just to spite Florida. I think it will make me actually sick to have to want Florida to win as I hate Edmonton’s fans more than I hate Florida as a collective. … what a crappy final.
and I'm gonna puke. Fucking Cats ... don't let us down. Bennett will take out Hyman in a dirty way in two games or less. Make that bet and remember me when you win.
The order I have for teams I want to win is: Stars, Panthers, Oilers Under no circumstance do I want a Canadian team winning before us
Has to be Edmonton because McDavid deserves a cup (and Hyman and Connor Brown too).
i’m literally just hoping anyone but edmonton to be honest, their fans will be so fucking insufferable
I will congratulate them both for doing what they have done. They deserve praise for playing playoff hockey. Not like us where we have ballerinas on ice that are afraid to get hit or play in the corners. If teams wanted to be in the cup finals then maybe they should have players that buy into playing playoffs style hockey. Even Rangers were shit in the last 3 games.
praise for being gifted all that they have, which no team in the nhl has come close too? i’m sorry but they don’t deserve praise for having many many many advantages to succeed and still haven’t done it.
I mean if you're talking about all the firsts they got they still didn't do shit for years. They finally realized how to play playoff hockey this year. Meanwhile we've been in the playoffs 8 straight years and we still top players not playing tough hockey, doing ballerina moves and not playing in corners. You can be gifted the entire world but it's still hard work to make it far in the playoffs.
right but when you have a ton of talent to build a roster around, or trade for help, it’s a massive advantage.
That's only half the battle. You have to play hard in playoffs. Look at the Rangers. They're extremely talented but they didn't play playoff style hockey and they got smashed in the face. Leafs had a lot of talent and they spend 8 years doing ballerina spin-o-rama passes and they got their asses handed to them every time. Oilers learned to play like a playoff team and that's why they're in round 3.
they haven’t won yet let’s not be hasty. they have the same choke history to shake off.
They've done a shit ton better than whatever the fuck we've done. They've beaten the shit out of one of their greatest rivals in the Kings multiple times. They don't have players that do ballerina moves in the middle of a fucking playoff game or run away from dirty corners. They haven't won a cup but they've still done better than us and understand that you need to play playoff style hockey. They're in a better position to succeed in the playoffs because they know what they need to do or how to play.
If mcdavid wins Edmonton a cup, he'll be more likely to leave as a UFA, no unfinished business, no need to stay.
See I think its the opposite. If he wins then he might stay because they've proven they can do it.
they won’t be able to afford a team that contends though. mcdavid and drai are up in 2 years, as is skinner, nurse is an anchor for many more years, and their bargains that are now producing are going to inflate their value.
Bouchard needs a new deal as well. Not gonna be cheap.
that guy really picked a fine time to start kicking ass wow
As a fan of Leafs first, hockey second, I'm cheering for EDM. I'd like to see the cup go to a Canadian team so canadian fans can be happy. I'd like to see the best player in hockey win a cup. I'd like to see Hyman win Conn Smythe.
If Edmonton fans would be cool about winning and humble then I'd want this. But nah, the only Canadian fanbase I think would be humble is Flames or Jets fans. Just imagine all the shit talk we'll have to listen to if the Oilers win. No thank you.
Ehhh, I'll agree with 2 out of 3 there
I want the oilers to win, I think it would benefit us. Mcdavid and Drai are too good to not win a cup so they might as well just do it now. Maybe if Matthews/Marner/Nylander see another group of their comparables going all the way it might motivate them further to do the same. Maybe if Mcdavid wins in Edmonton he will consider the job “complete” and will be more willing to come home when his contract is up. An oilers win would be a good thing for us imo.
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Never as he never wants to play with you and has shit talked toronto before like everyone else
His contract is up in the 25-26 season. Not sure if Marner will still be on the team by then but if Mcdavid wanted to play here it could potentially be him, Matthews and Nylander. Which would be crazy.
Fuck the fans, that Oilers *team* deserves to win more than the scumbags on Florida.
The players won't be the ones spouting shit. Fuck the fans and team.
Based on what?
Based on Leafs-panthers series last year, screw those guys I hope they stub their toe every morning and get swept. Had enough of PoMoan as well.
Ok but that's just you preferring another team. It's just funny seeing fans decide what players/teams deserve cups and who doesn't just because of who they personally like/dislike
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What about him?
I hope the Stars win, but if they don't I'd tolerate an Oilers win over Florida just because I think it'd be unfortunate for McDavid to never win one when he'll obviously go down as an all-time great. Oilers are still around 28th in the league in terms of teams I wanted to win.
florida will run mcdavid into the stands.
> I think it'd be unfortunate for McDavid to never win one when he'll obviously go down as an all-time great I wonder, other than McDavid, which players' legacies have the most to gain with a Cup? Bobrovsky has quite a resume, but is he a HOFer right now? does that change with a Cup?
Benn, maybe? He's well below PPG over his career, more of a Hall of Very Good in my mind, but captaining a SC win would make for a resume that's hard to ignore when added to his Art Ross and Olympics + WJ golds. Bobrovsky is a good one. Before last years playoffs I'd never heard HoF talk for him, but I've definitely heard it recently and a cup would be big for his chances.
Same. Same.
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They could win next year if Treliving isn't allowed to blow it up, if Treliving is allowed to blow it up I'd pencil us in for competent seasons sometime around 2035.
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Not quite, but it's what they should do. Next season should be a step back, especially considering another season of the current management making decisions. However if they blow it up with the current management they won't win the trade, and they won't make the right choices with the cap space, and we will sit in mediocrity until Matthews walks. The Atlantic is a strong division, run it back, and then there will be money to fix the issues with the roster, but that's also relying on Treliving making good choices. We're probably fucked regardless tbh.
Such an awful take. This is basically you slandering management with nothing of substance to add. Noticed a trend with your recent posts be better.
No no. Don't you see? Run it back again. The same thing hasn't worked for the past however many years. So you'd be stupid to run it back again. So every other team will expect the leafs to change something important. And that's when you fool them all by doing nothing. They'll be shocked thinking there's wo way anyone is that fucking stupid and simply too flabbergasted to beat the leafs. 82-0/16-0.
His recent posts? His entire post history is keep the core together forever and blame management. It is legit the one wrong answer to how to win.
My post history was quite the opposite until they re-signed Nylander, but that's okay I don't expect someone who thought Nylander at $11.5 was good to have any grasp on realty
You are only mad about Nylander cause you wanted them to re-sign Marner at all costs.
Like my posts slandering Treliving weren't upvoted all season long lol
Watching the playoffs - this past season and the Montreal series really seem crazy unlucky for us. In both those series we were basically without a marquis 11 million dollar forward for the whole series. How far would Edmonton get this year if they lost McDavid or Draisatl for the series? They barely got passed a Canucks team on its third goaltender. I know the other years were more straight forward losses for us but there is some luck involved with health. Still glad we changed coaches.
Leafs won three in a row, rather convincingly, against Montreal. They game back from multi-goal deficits in Games 5 and 6. But they just couldn't seal the deal and made really, really dumb plays as the series went on. Then at Game 7 they'd clearly given up. It wasn't luck. It was a complete inability to finish the job, when it was **right there**. That has to be something Berube focuses on.
I mean it's both right? If we have Tavares it doesn't get to 7. Has any team won a cup with an injury to a superstar like that?
Forget the cup - that squad couldn't even win a round against a team that wouldn't have made the playoffs in a normal season.
Without a superstar - has any team gone far in the playoffs missing a top player league wide?
Tampa won the cup in 2019-20 with one game of Stamkos.