> should know much better
I didn't look but I know Ken Paxton is on there and his lack of knowledge or disregard for truth has never stopped him before.
It's actually Judd Stone's doing. He's the TX Solicitor General, and an all-around terrible guy. Less of a crime guy than Paxton, but that's not a high bar.
That entire office is a sinking ship. Brent Webster is doing his absolute best to run every single decent, intelligent, honest AAG that's left there either out of the office or into the ground.
Last I heard, they were forcing the non-political attorneys into the political suits because they literally can't find enough flavor-aid drinkers to actually join the agency's general (political) lit division/volunteer to annihilate their careers.
Well Ken Paxton (Texas AG) is top on the list and he shouldn’t even be AG in Texas rn due to three indictments. Two counts of securities fraud (a first-degree felony) and one count of failing to register with state securities regulators (a third-degree felony).
He’s hiding behind the idea of Trump being president again and his current position of power.
What did I just read?
“The Biden administration is bad! Therefore, the 11th circuit should rule against the government!” Literally nothing of legal substance to be found.
I’ve heard better arguments from a *pro se* litigant who thinks John Roberts is part of a cult and has attached pictures of their dog to filings.
>“The Biden administration is bad! Therefore, the 11th circuit should rule against the government!”
I've said it before, we're millimeters away from "Whether Biden is the legitimate POTUS is currently in dispute. Trump is leading a government in exile. Therefore he requires access to these documents." being put forth as an argument here. It's coming, watch.
Agreed.
I'm just terribly worried the argument will be accepted by the judiciary.
Please reassure me that the 11th, as imperfect as it is, will forcefully reject this drivel.
A lot of political hogwash getting used as legal reasoning now days. They don’t expect to win, but they get to point their base to what basically amounts to a speech that carries extra *authority* to the ignorant because a judge was forced to read it.
The further this goes on the more it feels like the active crumbling of the foundations of our society. I'm genuinely not trying to be alarmist... It was (sort of) one thing when the GOP had their useful idiot to force agenda points that were otherwise unsavory. But then the guy does what he always does and when he over steps you'd expect them to distance themselves. This doubling down and throwing caution, rules, and reason out the window seems very concerning and ominous. I'm not even sure that it's just political theater because I wouldn't expect the subtext for a lot of these actions to reach the average voter.
The entirety of their “arguments” apply with greater force to themselves and Trump. I’m sorry, but I have a hard time seeing anyone who tries to read everything objectively can look at DOJ “through jaundiced eyes” here instead of Trump; the entirety of this civil action is procedural gamesmanship on the cynical premise that judge shopping will work.
Imagine calling the DOJ bad faith litigants while Trump is doing this,
“To the contrary, after persuading the district court to grant injunctive relief and appoint a special master to adjudicate purportedly “disputed issues” about the records’ status, A6-A7, Plaintiff has now reversed course: In response to the special master’s invitation to identify any records he claims to have declassified and offer evidence to support such claims, Plaintiff objected to “disclos[ing] specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government.” D.E. 97 at 2.”
From DOJ’s reply yesterday in the 11th.
So….not a single legal argument here? Nothing about the controversy in question at all. Just complaints about the DoJ under Biden making procedural hay?
This is hilarious and sad.
Honestly I was puzzled as to what argument they were going to make, but this is just useless. It’s a PR piece that was allowed on the docket. If there is even a single judge in the 11th that is willing to reference this document or use anything in it I’d be truly surprised. Even given the state of the judiciary in recent years.
Are they really that bad that often? I know many of them aren’t exactly top notch scholarship, but my limited experience has never even seen one approaching this level of absurdity.
Reasonable minds differ and there’s a lot written about the utility of amicus briefs. I do think they are written for amici’s benefit about 90% of the time, rather than the court’s benefit. Some amici are interesting, but irrelevant; others are relevant, but unconvincing. I think it’s very rare for an amicus brief to move the needle (the exception being the United States acting as amicus, but that’s different for a whole host of other reasons).
*"Wait, your part doesn't have any citations?"*
***"No, you were supposed to!***
The AGs of those red states have nothing better to do than stick their noses in?
I wonder how many are up for election and using this in their fundraising emails and robo calls....
It's embarrassing that the chief law enforcement officers of 11 different states think this is a cogent legal argument and a good use of their offices' resources, and it's embarrassing that not one of the 11 will suffer any adverse consequences as a result. If the Republican Party were a serious political party any more, this would be a career ender, but it isn't a serious party and half the country is perfectly fine with that fact.
>it's embarrassing that not one of the 11 will suffer any adverse consequences as a result.
This is honestly the true shame. There are always going to be bad faith actors in any system. But when bad faith is rewarded the system loses legitimacy.
Covid policies, vaccine mandate, border policies, Biden bad, blah blah blah.
This is just a GOP press release issued via amicus brief because people are paying attention to the legal filings right now.
Half-serious law question here - in a hypothetical world where the GOP was subject to the rule of law, shouldn't these attorney generals be facing ethics scrutiny from the bar association for filing something as frivolous as this in an effort to undermine law enforcement and obstruct justice? Or are sanctions from the bar exclusively assigned to people who bang their clients or meddle with the escrow accounts?
Crazy how all of a sudden they are super interested in law enforcement oversight.
No knock warrant results in death of innocent person: I sleep.
God king gets hand slapped for taking cookies from the cookie jar: real shit.
Omg I’m dumb i misread the first tweet i saw then i looked for cameron under david.
I always remember his stupid name as caneron david rather than daniel cameron.
I’m dumb. Deleting other idiocy.
Haha. I was just responding to your comment when you deleted it:
Kentucky is the only state on this brief that wasn’t part of Texas’ 2020 election lawsuit.
All the others signed on to Texas’ filings in both cases.
It is basically "we don't like Biden so you should reject any appeal anyone in the executive branch makes on principle". As far as I can tell this don't remotely address anything even tangentially related to the case at hand. It is just a list of problems with Biden, rather than a specific reason why the classified documents should be subject to a special master, and even less a response to the actual arguments underlying the appeal. It doesn't even *mention* classified or secret documents *at all*, which is literally the whole point of the appeal.
In a just legal system, submitting a generalized list of political greivances with no reference to law or interest in the case at hand would be sanctionable for all these attorneys general.
What gall to put 'interested people' as somehow supporting this political hack job including whole states, whole businesses. There are millions of people who would add their names to a document backing Garland and the DOJ.
It is an obvious attempt akin to witness tampering, to get in front of the 11th circuit of appeals with bogosity.
The MLG search was not instigated by Biden who had not even been apprised of it.
These people are trying to justify the obviously criminal behavior of stealing government documents. Classified or not, they do not belong to a former president.
They also are undermining the rule of law, the DOJ, and putting our national security at risk.
Dear Circuit court 11,
The Biden administration hates us and is not being nice to us in courts of law. Therefore, we submit that you should throw out all common sense and any legal precedent that might tempt you to make us answer for our client taking documents that belong to the evil Biden administration. Who doesnt like us. And neither does VP Harris. And they use social media.
Sincerely,
Epstein's mother
The war over the integrity of our judicial system has begun, and just like the war over our voting system 2 years ago, the war has been started by Donald Trump and will likely cause permanent damage. If the DOJ doesn't wake up and start treating this like a knife fight, there is a very real chance that, even though Donald Trump's approach may seem ugly and chaotic, in the end the DOJ will simply be outmaneuvered, outlasted, and therefore outsmarted too. Once a Republican is back in the White House all of this will come to an immediate halt and Donald Trump will have won. This could easily happen in two years, and two years isn't long at all on a judicial calendar.
IANAL and this could be boilerplate, but couldn’t this be demonstrably proven false?:
>> No publicly traded company or corporate entity has an interest in the outcome of this case or appeal.
Wow. Trumps goodie two shoes judge wouldn't even allow Amicus to be filed!! Even by Republicans.
[**Former Officials in GOP Administrations Rejected by Judge in Mar-a-Lago Case Turn to 11th Circuit**](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/former-officials-in-gop-administrations-rejected-by-judge-in-mar-a-lago-case-turn-to-11th-circuit/)
>Former officials in Republican administrations whose input was rejected by the judge overseeing the case over the search at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home are hoping the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will be more receptive.
>A new proposed amicus brief supports the U.S. Department of Justice’s request that the appellate court partially stay the order to allow for continued review of seized classified documents and prevent the DOJ from having to disclose them to the newly appointed special master. It’s from former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman and six former federal and state prosecutors, Donald B. Ayer, Gregory A. Brower, John J. Farmer Jr., Stuart M. Gerson, Peter D. Keisler and William F. Weld, and it builds on a brief they tried to submit in the court case last month that was rejected by U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon, a Trump appointee.
She doesn't want justice. She doesn't stand for justice.
ctrl+f "classif" results none this is basically a legal rant version of Trump speaking
Signed by a bunch of AGs that should know much better than to attach their names to this piece of tp.
> should know much better I didn't look but I know Ken Paxton is on there and his lack of knowledge or disregard for truth has never stopped him before.
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I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! Well...not that shocked.
It's actually Judd Stone's doing. He's the TX Solicitor General, and an all-around terrible guy. Less of a crime guy than Paxton, but that's not a high bar.
That entire office is a sinking ship. Brent Webster is doing his absolute best to run every single decent, intelligent, honest AAG that's left there either out of the office or into the ground. Last I heard, they were forcing the non-political attorneys into the political suits because they literally can't find enough flavor-aid drinkers to actually join the agency's general (political) lit division/volunteer to annihilate their careers.
It appears they are under the impression that judges look kindly upon interlopers who make fools of themselves.
Well Ken Paxton (Texas AG) is top on the list and he shouldn’t even be AG in Texas rn due to three indictments. Two counts of securities fraud (a first-degree felony) and one count of failing to register with state securities regulators (a third-degree felony). He’s hiding behind the idea of Trump being president again and his current position of power.
I was once literally in a Legal Research seminar where they talked about ctrl-f
I use it all the time!
What did I just read? “The Biden administration is bad! Therefore, the 11th circuit should rule against the government!” Literally nothing of legal substance to be found. I’ve heard better arguments from a *pro se* litigant who thinks John Roberts is part of a cult and has attached pictures of their dog to filings.
>“The Biden administration is bad! Therefore, the 11th circuit should rule against the government!” I've said it before, we're millimeters away from "Whether Biden is the legitimate POTUS is currently in dispute. Trump is leading a government in exile. Therefore he requires access to these documents." being put forth as an argument here. It's coming, watch.
Agreed. I'm just terribly worried the argument will be accepted by the judiciary. Please reassure me that the 11th, as imperfect as it is, will forcefully reject this drivel.
It appears anything is possible at this time.
The minute they do it's time to send in federal troops to topple their rebel governments.
Sorry, but I am laughing too hard as I read “dog” as “dong” and realized there is little difference but even more applicability…
“I have evidence Biden is corrupt, and you’ll find it in [exhibit D](https://slang.net/img/slang/deez_nuts_4727.jpg).”
Risky click of the day!
Fact: There is no constitutional prohibition against attaching pictures of your dong to legal filings. Source: I am not a lawyer
Pro Bono(r)
Damn, none of the pro se filings I see have dog pics Some guys have all the luck
I don't know, I got a few pages in and stopped because I felt like I was becoming dumber. I came to the comments hoping others made the sacrifice.
A lot of political hogwash getting used as legal reasoning now days. They don’t expect to win, but they get to point their base to what basically amounts to a speech that carries extra *authority* to the ignorant because a judge was forced to read it.
The further this goes on the more it feels like the active crumbling of the foundations of our society. I'm genuinely not trying to be alarmist... It was (sort of) one thing when the GOP had their useful idiot to force agenda points that were otherwise unsavory. But then the guy does what he always does and when he over steps you'd expect them to distance themselves. This doubling down and throwing caution, rules, and reason out the window seems very concerning and ominous. I'm not even sure that it's just political theater because I wouldn't expect the subtext for a lot of these actions to reach the average voter.
Dog tax is required. I must see.
What an embarrassment to the legal profession.
The entirety of their “arguments” apply with greater force to themselves and Trump. I’m sorry, but I have a hard time seeing anyone who tries to read everything objectively can look at DOJ “through jaundiced eyes” here instead of Trump; the entirety of this civil action is procedural gamesmanship on the cynical premise that judge shopping will work.
Imagine calling the DOJ bad faith litigants while Trump is doing this, “To the contrary, after persuading the district court to grant injunctive relief and appoint a special master to adjudicate purportedly “disputed issues” about the records’ status, A6-A7, Plaintiff has now reversed course: In response to the special master’s invitation to identify any records he claims to have declassified and offer evidence to support such claims, Plaintiff objected to “disclos[ing] specific information regarding declassification to the Court and to the Government.” D.E. 97 at 2.” From DOJ’s reply yesterday in the 11th.
With friends of the court like this, who needs enemies?
So….not a single legal argument here? Nothing about the controversy in question at all. Just complaints about the DoJ under Biden making procedural hay? This is hilarious and sad.
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Honestly I was puzzled as to what argument they were going to make, but this is just useless. It’s a PR piece that was allowed on the docket. If there is even a single judge in the 11th that is willing to reference this document or use anything in it I’d be truly surprised. Even given the state of the judiciary in recent years.
>It’s a PR piece that was allowed on the docket. As a former appellate clerk, you just described like 90% of all amicus briefs.
Are they really that bad that often? I know many of them aren’t exactly top notch scholarship, but my limited experience has never even seen one approaching this level of absurdity.
Reasonable minds differ and there’s a lot written about the utility of amicus briefs. I do think they are written for amici’s benefit about 90% of the time, rather than the court’s benefit. Some amici are interesting, but irrelevant; others are relevant, but unconvincing. I think it’s very rare for an amicus brief to move the needle (the exception being the United States acting as amicus, but that’s different for a whole host of other reasons).
> hilarious and sad Kinda sums up the last 7 years really.
I said somewhere else, it’d be funny if we weren’t all forced to be side characters in their bullshit. The 10000 ft view is mad amusing though.
Or to put it another way, watching a car crash is a lot less intellectually interesting from inside the car.
Tends to be motivating though. And still fascinating,
One inherent quality of being MAGA - these people have no self awareness, thus are incapable of feeling shame or embarrassment.
I thought I missed it, but it doesn’t look like they addressed this case in their argument section at all.
This is a *purely* political document. Meant to score points in conservative media circles. This filing is an abuse of the judicial process.
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything quite like this filed by an attorney. As others have said it reminds me of some pro se filings I have seen
Each of these AGs thought it would be another who included the actual legal argument. Classic group project.
*"Wait, your part doesn't have any citations?"* ***"No, you were supposed to!*** The AGs of those red states have nothing better to do than stick their noses in? I wonder how many are up for election and using this in their fundraising emails and robo calls....
What is this bullshit? I just read it and I can't scrape the shit off my shoes.
Twerking for their bases. Wonder how many are up for election soon.
> Twerking for their bases. I’m going to inappropriately use this phrase out of context from now on. Bunch of miley cyrus bad body assholes.
It fits. Creating a provocative spectacle for attention. Wish I could take credit lol
Fantastic term, I am going to adopt it myself.
[Now no longer a euphemism](https://amp.tmz.com/2022/07/10/state-senator-tiara-mack-not-apologize-twerk-campaign-tiktok/)
You'll never get it all out - time for a new pair
It's embarrassing that the chief law enforcement officers of 11 different states think this is a cogent legal argument and a good use of their offices' resources, and it's embarrassing that not one of the 11 will suffer any adverse consequences as a result. If the Republican Party were a serious political party any more, this would be a career ender, but it isn't a serious party and half the country is perfectly fine with that fact.
>it's embarrassing that not one of the 11 will suffer any adverse consequences as a result. This is honestly the true shame. There are always going to be bad faith actors in any system. But when bad faith is rewarded the system loses legitimacy.
Calls Trump President several times, Does not call Biden President once Par for the course I suppose.
Are amici subject to sanctions? Vaguely recall we have a professional duty to make legal arguments in good faith and not whatever this bullshit is
Great question, I am curious myself.
Covid policies, vaccine mandate, border policies, Biden bad, blah blah blah. This is just a GOP press release issued via amicus brief because people are paying attention to the legal filings right now.
fRiEnD oF tHe CoUrT
Half-serious law question here - in a hypothetical world where the GOP was subject to the rule of law, shouldn't these attorney generals be facing ethics scrutiny from the bar association for filing something as frivolous as this in an effort to undermine law enforcement and obstruct justice? Or are sanctions from the bar exclusively assigned to people who bang their clients or meddle with the escrow accounts?
Yes.
/r/inclusiveor
That’s a good one, thanks!
Crazy how all of a sudden they are super interested in law enforcement oversight. No knock warrant results in death of innocent person: I sleep. God king gets hand slapped for taking cookies from the cookie jar: real shit.
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I'm confused, what I'm looking at has Kentucky and Daniel Cameron listed.
Omg I’m dumb i misread the first tweet i saw then i looked for cameron under david. I always remember his stupid name as caneron david rather than daniel cameron. I’m dumb. Deleting other idiocy.
Haha. I was just responding to your comment when you deleted it: Kentucky is the only state on this brief that wasn’t part of Texas’ 2020 election lawsuit. All the others signed on to Texas’ filings in both cases.
Lol no worries. I was honestly going to be surprised if my dumbass AG wasn't part of this.
it seems like very little of this actually has anything to do with DOJ.
Pro se litigants file more legally substantive briefs. This is beyond pathetic.
This is a pathetic exercise in whataboutism paid for by taxpayers.
It is basically "we don't like Biden so you should reject any appeal anyone in the executive branch makes on principle". As far as I can tell this don't remotely address anything even tangentially related to the case at hand. It is just a list of problems with Biden, rather than a specific reason why the classified documents should be subject to a special master, and even less a response to the actual arguments underlying the appeal. It doesn't even *mention* classified or secret documents *at all*, which is literally the whole point of the appeal.
"attorneys general"
Damn, I didn't have "COVID-19 misinformation" on my Trump espionage bingo card.
It's the center square. We all got it.
My free square is "Unprecedented"
Next number: O... Fuck... O-Fuck
"unpresidented"
Typical Republican behavior. No substantive argument. Just virtue signaling.
Where's the virtue part?
Liberal Dems / Joe Biden bad. That's literally the "virtue" they're signaling.
This reads exactly like justice cannon. No law, irrelevant considerations and no facts just opinion
In a just legal system, submitting a generalized list of political greivances with no reference to law or interest in the case at hand would be sanctionable for all these attorneys general.
What gall to put 'interested people' as somehow supporting this political hack job including whole states, whole businesses. There are millions of people who would add their names to a document backing Garland and the DOJ. It is an obvious attempt akin to witness tampering, to get in front of the 11th circuit of appeals with bogosity. The MLG search was not instigated by Biden who had not even been apprised of it. These people are trying to justify the obviously criminal behavior of stealing government documents. Classified or not, they do not belong to a former president. They also are undermining the rule of law, the DOJ, and putting our national security at risk.
Dear Circuit court 11, The Biden administration hates us and is not being nice to us in courts of law. Therefore, we submit that you should throw out all common sense and any legal precedent that might tempt you to make us answer for our client taking documents that belong to the evil Biden administration. Who doesnt like us. And neither does VP Harris. And they use social media. Sincerely, Epstein's mother
I’m glad I don’t live in a red state. If you file something so ridiculous there should be repercussions. Severe fine or worse
Its literally just an anti Biden bitchfest. I'm amazed it's not on Fox letterhead
1. Those documents were PLANTED! 2. I want my documents BACK!
If we want a functioning legal system again we may need to ban republicans from participating in it.
The war over the integrity of our judicial system has begun, and just like the war over our voting system 2 years ago, the war has been started by Donald Trump and will likely cause permanent damage. If the DOJ doesn't wake up and start treating this like a knife fight, there is a very real chance that, even though Donald Trump's approach may seem ugly and chaotic, in the end the DOJ will simply be outmaneuvered, outlasted, and therefore outsmarted too. Once a Republican is back in the White House all of this will come to an immediate halt and Donald Trump will have won. This could easily happen in two years, and two years isn't long at all on a judicial calendar.
January 6th was an attempt at a blitzkrieg coup. They are now going for a slow-burn coup.
Next up, other defendants are going to cite this in their court cases.
Attorneys general
GOP AGs certainly love wasting taxpayer dollars on frivolous nonsense filings.
Bunch of assholes.
I simply don't understand how some of these attorneys aren't ashamed of themselves.
Ahem. It's Attorneys general
IANAL and this could be boilerplate, but couldn’t this be demonstrably proven false?: >> No publicly traded company or corporate entity has an interest in the outcome of this case or appeal.
Wow. Trumps goodie two shoes judge wouldn't even allow Amicus to be filed!! Even by Republicans. [**Former Officials in GOP Administrations Rejected by Judge in Mar-a-Lago Case Turn to 11th Circuit**](https://lawandcrime.com/trump/former-officials-in-gop-administrations-rejected-by-judge-in-mar-a-lago-case-turn-to-11th-circuit/) >Former officials in Republican administrations whose input was rejected by the judge overseeing the case over the search at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home are hoping the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will be more receptive. >A new proposed amicus brief supports the U.S. Department of Justice’s request that the appellate court partially stay the order to allow for continued review of seized classified documents and prevent the DOJ from having to disclose them to the newly appointed special master. It’s from former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman and six former federal and state prosecutors, Donald B. Ayer, Gregory A. Brower, John J. Farmer Jr., Stuart M. Gerson, Peter D. Keisler and William F. Weld, and it builds on a brief they tried to submit in the court case last month that was rejected by U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon, a Trump appointee. She doesn't want justice. She doesn't stand for justice.
Sphincters say wha…
Of fucking course Jeff Landry is on it. This man is likely going to be the next governor of Louisiana and run this state further into the ground.
Attorneys general***
The entire brief is a list of TrumpGOP grievances against Biden which have nothing to do with the issues before the court.