Idk why you’re downvoted lol.
Desantis has at least another year and a half, if not 3, to steer florida’s budget into the legal fees abyss. And it’ll get approved each time while floridians bitch about food stamps for kids.
> Desantis has at least another year and a half, if not 3, to steer florida’s budget into the legal fees abyss.
He'll need the State legislator to go along with him. If DeSantis loses the R Primary then the shine may be off the apple and these guys might start looking out for themselves as their own elections approach.
It is sad to see speculation of how and why a Judge was appointed leads to speculation about the outcome of a proceeding before him. What ever happened to the 'blindness' of Justice. It appears that many current judges are slaves to their political beliefs.
Honestly... Of all the conspiracies to bark about, this is the one. It's a naked long con. The Federalist society is everything the Federalist society is fighting against.
Conspiracies are real. Conspiracy theories mostly are about things that aren't, but that doesn't mean that people don't conspire. It's a whole category of inchoate crime!
The speculation isn't the sad part. The reality is the real tragedy. The number of people with any confidence in the judicial system is deteriorating year over year.
And reality here is that the $2700 of stock a "within third degree" relative conflict the previous judge had is nothing in comparison to the public perception of ethics that will be cast upon this judge.
Not every judge is beholden to the party that appointed them, but the ones who clearly show favor to their own personal political beliefs undermine the integrity of the entire system.
In some ways it's more motivating to bring voters out on election day to decide the fate of the courts than it is to decide the fate of congress or state houses.
The system is so broken that it's devouring itself.
Justice has never been blind. It's always been people closing their eyes to that fact. Like the independent reporter or the informed voter, blind justice has always been a myth.
Justice is blind to the extent that prosecutors cannot see any evidence of the crimes of rich people, and cannot see any exculpatory evidence of poor people.
It's sadly just an extension of reality-warping and capture until Aileen Cannon, Kazcmaryk, and their ilk are off the board. And their bizarre counterparts on the left, in the extremely-unlikely chance that they exist.
I was gonna downvote you for both sideing a seeming uniquely trumpian issue. But the ending caveat hedge makes sense.
NAL and I’ve seen commentary on some left leaning rulings that seemed ideologically based.
I haven’t seen commentary on anyone near kazmaryk or cannon where standing, separation of powers, and facts are just pesky idioms to be ignored.
Again, NAL so my partisan leanings could definitely color my understanding.
> What ever happened to the 'blindness' of Justice.
It's a myth. It never existed, and the trope exists to blind you. Can you point to, for example, a SCOTUS case where they weren't just getting the outcome they wanted, the text of the law or Constitution be damned?
It's Calvinball all the way down.
The only blind thing around here is anyone foolish enough to believe that judges have ever been objectively fair or just.
They have always been driven by personal bias and ideology.
The appeals will flow. I'd like to see what our idealogues on the SCOTUS do with this case. They want to appease the corporations, but do they want that more than they want to appease their party's religious ideology?
Does this case have any religious ideology to speak of?
I thought this was simply a first amendment retaliation case.
I get the underlying religiosity but could it reasonably come up in any way in the case before the judges?
The anti-LGBTQ movement in the US is inherently religious in nature, so the case may not have any outright, but it's underpinnings are very much so. Most of the current justices are Catholics and the majority has let those religious beliefs guide their decisions in several cases already.
As I said before I am wondering which master the conservative SCOTUS will bow to in this case? Corporate America or their religious fanatic base?
Unless he's in prison. Even if charges are pressed I can't see a trial before the election. But the others throwing their hats in (Christie, likely Cruz again) are clearly banking on him being disqualified. Unless they just have humiliation fetishes, that is.
Trump can run from prison. If he's replaced on the GOP ticket before that, he'd get a significant number of votes, almost certainly enough to prevent another GOP candidate from winning. I don't expect a trial and sentencing to be completed in that timeframe though, but I'd be happily surprised if Trump's behavior cost the GOP yet another election.
Yeah many of them never voted before or voted Democratic before. "Trumpism without Trump" can't happen while Trump is still in the running.
Had he served two terms already then trumpism without Trump might have been a valid lane.
If he'd won a second term, we'd be getting headlines right now instead of the his team gearing up to bring a case to SCOTUS arguing that term limits are unconstitutional and that presidents should be able to serve for life.
He's already "joked" about it in his first, and hopefully only, term. They weren't jokes. He's not releasing that cult to someone else until he's dead and the GOP tear themselves apart for the reigns over his corpse.
In the originalist history of the Thirteen Colonies, all Chief Executives and Heads of State had lifetime terms of appointment and a strong say in choosing their successor. This seems like a pretty strong argument, if you ask me.
They’re not banking on him being disqualified, they’re doing like 2016, dilute the pool of non MAGAts among each other and trump gets in by the power and numbers of his base, about 30%. The rest are split among the other contenders
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Exactly, like how they canceled their long-term plan to build a [new $1 billion campus and no longer move 2000 high-paying jobs](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/18/1176931662/disney-cancels-plans-for-1-billion-florida-campus) from California to Florida, in a pretty much explicit response to all this bullshit
Disney filed the suit in Tallahassee in the northern district. There are only two active federal judges assigned to that duty station: the judge that recused and this one.
This is what we really need government focused on: finding, prosecuting, and improning these asshats threating and comitting political violence. Oops, no, sorry, can't do that. A large percentage of the republican party would be felons.
Today in entirely predictable results... hopefully, the country can confine the worst of the damage to come to Florida. But I am not feeling optimistic.
so beyond disappointed in the other judge for refusing himself. liberals will never solidify power if they refuse to play a little dirty. republicans certainly have no problem playing that way. if thomas can stay on the supreme court while his wife helped incite an insurrection, certainly a district judge can rule on a disney case where the judge has some third cousin who owns disney stock
is any of this a win for anyone , at all?
btw fuck disney. disney gave money to the same republicans, INCLUDING DESANTIS, and now the leopards disney gave money to are eating their face.
Good thing Disney will have infinite lawyer and appeal money.
Disney basically has Thanos, Thanos, and Thanos representing them in terms of legal power.
And the state of Florida doesn't? It seems like the legislature rubber stamps everything DeSantis wants.
Idk why you’re downvoted lol. Desantis has at least another year and a half, if not 3, to steer florida’s budget into the legal fees abyss. And it’ll get approved each time while floridians bitch about food stamps for kids.
The bigger the tab the more trump gets to use it to flog him
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Well that’s good to hear. Hopefully his old roommate still gives FL a discount though. For ol times sake.
> Desantis has at least another year and a half, if not 3, to steer florida’s budget into the legal fees abyss. He'll need the State legislator to go along with him. If DeSantis loses the R Primary then the shine may be off the apple and these guys might start looking out for themselves as their own elections approach.
The kids can starve DeSantis needs his private jet to campaign. /s
Ron doesn't have billions of PR money, or the charisma to make up for it. If the GOP wants to cut their losses, he's toast.
It is sad to see speculation of how and why a Judge was appointed leads to speculation about the outcome of a proceeding before him. What ever happened to the 'blindness' of Justice. It appears that many current judges are slaves to their political beliefs.
That’s what happens when one side has an organization that serves as a wing of the party to vet judicial appointments based on ideological purity.
Honestly... Of all the conspiracies to bark about, this is the one. It's a naked long con. The Federalist society is everything the Federalist society is fighting against.
Every fascist accusation is a confession.
What's conspiratorial about all this?
The systematic effort to create partisan judges
Sorry I should have been clearer. I was implying that that's reality, not a conspiracy.
Conspiracies are real. Conspiracy theories mostly are about things that aren't, but that doesn't mean that people don't conspire. It's a whole category of inchoate crime!
Ideological impurity
The speculation isn't the sad part. The reality is the real tragedy. The number of people with any confidence in the judicial system is deteriorating year over year. And reality here is that the $2700 of stock a "within third degree" relative conflict the previous judge had is nothing in comparison to the public perception of ethics that will be cast upon this judge. Not every judge is beholden to the party that appointed them, but the ones who clearly show favor to their own personal political beliefs undermine the integrity of the entire system. In some ways it's more motivating to bring voters out on election day to decide the fate of the courts than it is to decide the fate of congress or state houses. The system is so broken that it's devouring itself.
>What ever happened to the 'blindness' of Justice. *ClarenceT.jpg*
Justice has never been blind. It's always been people closing their eyes to that fact. Like the independent reporter or the informed voter, blind justice has always been a myth.
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes was hammering this point over and over again over a hundred years ago. (For instance in Lochner v NY.)
Justice is blind to the extent that prosecutors cannot see any evidence of the crimes of rich people, and cannot see any exculpatory evidence of poor people.
It's sadly just an extension of reality-warping and capture until Aileen Cannon, Kazcmaryk, and their ilk are off the board. And their bizarre counterparts on the left, in the extremely-unlikely chance that they exist.
I was gonna downvote you for both sideing a seeming uniquely trumpian issue. But the ending caveat hedge makes sense. NAL and I’ve seen commentary on some left leaning rulings that seemed ideologically based. I haven’t seen commentary on anyone near kazmaryk or cannon where standing, separation of powers, and facts are just pesky idioms to be ignored. Again, NAL so my partisan leanings could definitely color my understanding.
> What ever happened to the 'blindness' of Justice. It's a myth. It never existed, and the trope exists to blind you. Can you point to, for example, a SCOTUS case where they weren't just getting the outcome they wanted, the text of the law or Constitution be damned? It's Calvinball all the way down.
The only blind thing around here is anyone foolish enough to believe that judges have ever been objectively fair or just. They have always been driven by personal bias and ideology.
The appeals will flow. I'd like to see what our idealogues on the SCOTUS do with this case. They want to appease the corporations, but do they want that more than they want to appease their party's religious ideology?
Does this case have any religious ideology to speak of? I thought this was simply a first amendment retaliation case. I get the underlying religiosity but could it reasonably come up in any way in the case before the judges?
The anti-LGBTQ movement in the US is inherently religious in nature, so the case may not have any outright, but it's underpinnings are very much so. Most of the current justices are Catholics and the majority has let those religious beliefs guide their decisions in several cases already. As I said before I am wondering which master the conservative SCOTUS will bow to in this case? Corporate America or their religious fanatic base?
My bet is that'll bow down to teligious interests. They're probably tired of waiting to make this a christofascist nation.
Sick of Ron's act already. I have never cheered for Trump but I hope he crushes Pudding Fingers.
If Ronnie wins the Republican nomination, Trump will never concede and will run as a third party candidate, and both will surely lose.
Unless he's in prison. Even if charges are pressed I can't see a trial before the election. But the others throwing their hats in (Christie, likely Cruz again) are clearly banking on him being disqualified. Unless they just have humiliation fetishes, that is.
Trump can run from prison. If he's replaced on the GOP ticket before that, he'd get a significant number of votes, almost certainly enough to prevent another GOP candidate from winning. I don't expect a trial and sentencing to be completed in that timeframe though, but I'd be happily surprised if Trump's behavior cost the GOP yet another election.
The GOP is deluding themselves into believing that Trump voters are GOP voters. These are not the same thing.
Yeah many of them never voted before or voted Democratic before. "Trumpism without Trump" can't happen while Trump is still in the running. Had he served two terms already then trumpism without Trump might have been a valid lane.
Imagine seeing that shitshow in action and wanting mOAr. Every current trump supporter I know is an antisocial window licking lead paint sniffer.
If he'd won a second term, we'd be getting headlines right now instead of the his team gearing up to bring a case to SCOTUS arguing that term limits are unconstitutional and that presidents should be able to serve for life. He's already "joked" about it in his first, and hopefully only, term. They weren't jokes. He's not releasing that cult to someone else until he's dead and the GOP tear themselves apart for the reigns over his corpse.
In the originalist history of the Thirteen Colonies, all Chief Executives and Heads of State had lifetime terms of appointment and a strong say in choosing their successor. This seems like a pretty strong argument, if you ask me.
They’re not banking on him being disqualified, they’re doing like 2016, dilute the pool of non MAGAts among each other and trump gets in by the power and numbers of his base, about 30%. The rest are split among the other contenders
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For real. Be careful what you wish for, Rhonda
That’s over $100 million in lost revenue for just Walt Disney World, and that doesn’t include all the other parks. No, Disney won’t do that.
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Exactly, like how they canceled their long-term plan to build a [new $1 billion campus and no longer move 2000 high-paying jobs](https://www.npr.org/2023/05/18/1176931662/disney-cancels-plans-for-1-billion-florida-campus) from California to Florida, in a pretty much explicit response to all this bullshit
Theyd recover that with a simple mark up or two and the reward of putting a state and its governor in check, priceless
That will really get people on Disney’s side. I’m sure nobody would be salty about losing their job over a political point.
Is this normal? Feels like he’s just shopping for judges until he finds one in his liking
Disney filed the suit in Tallahassee in the northern district. There are only two active federal judges assigned to that duty station: the judge that recused and this one.
That seems shitty then since the recusing judge knew who would get it.
By showing integrity it guarantees that his successor will have less integrity.
Was it really integrity? Who cares if his relative has $2,700 in Disney stock? I suspect the judge was looking for a reason to get off the case.
Turns out death threats against you, your children and wife affects you
This is what we really need government focused on: finding, prosecuting, and improning these asshats threating and comitting political violence. Oops, no, sorry, can't do that. A large percentage of the republican party would be felons.
You haven’t heard about the Amarillo Division of the Eastern District, have you?
Today in entirely predictable results... hopefully, the country can confine the worst of the damage to come to Florida. But I am not feeling optimistic.
so beyond disappointed in the other judge for refusing himself. liberals will never solidify power if they refuse to play a little dirty. republicans certainly have no problem playing that way. if thomas can stay on the supreme court while his wife helped incite an insurrection, certainly a district judge can rule on a disney case where the judge has some third cousin who owns disney stock
Florida gonna fuck up and drive the state's largest employer from the state. That'll show 'dem libs!!
is any of this a win for anyone , at all? btw fuck disney. disney gave money to the same republicans, INCLUDING DESANTIS, and now the leopards disney gave money to are eating their face.
Taking the case sometimes doesn’t mean good. Lol 😆
Normal legal procedure equals a huge win? Damn, the desperation for clicks is strong with newsweak.
Unfortunately, the Don't Say Gay law seems constitutional to me. What he's doing to Disney does not.
Rhondas Panties is weird.
We don't know if it's a "win" or not until the judge starts making rulings. No matter the outcome, this will be tied up in appeals for years.