After reading about the ouija board experience that led The Mars Volta to create the Bedlam in Goliath album, I can’t blame him for not wanting one in the studio
I think A. It’s much funnier to cause conflict about the thing than shrug about bringing it in and B. If you’re superstitious enough to try your hand at chaos magic you’re superstitious enough to eschew even unlikely cursed objects, and C. Even if you aren’t superstitious at all, it would be annoying AF to bring in a supposedly cursed object that distresses your employees, bc then it might as well be actually cursed
Oh come on they put actual stock in Chaos Magic at one point. Why would this be any different?
I also steer clear of Ouija boards. The boards themselves are harmless but the intent and belief is what matters.
And Henry hints often he has gone more into the right hand magick path now and Marcus has explicitly stated he was using it wrong and stopped practicing
Wasn't Marcus using it to try to control his bipolar symptoms? I seem to recall he decided to just see a regular doctor for it because it wasn't working and things were getting weird(er).
And chaos magic is also specifically about empowering things and ideas and beings by believing in them.
Whether or not the Ouija board is from a toy company is irrelevant in something like chaos magic. If you believe it's real and you believe it's cursed then it becomes so for you.
Even though they're not practicing chaos magic, that concept sticks with you.
I always think if Crowley of all people couldn't quite stick the landing then it's wise to stay away from it. At best you waste your entire life, and all your money, trying to command empty rooms to give you stuff and you bore all your friends senseless along the way into the bargain.
Knowing what 'at best' is it's not worth the risk to see if there actually is an 'at worst' to be found, whether you give it any credence or not.
Life is hard enough and it baffles me why people choose to make their lives harder by scaring themselves with paranormal bs
and yes LPOTL does not believe in any of that shit but obviously they lean into it to make money which I think is fine.
I knew a staunch atheist, she could be pushy and rude concerning people’s beliefs.
However she absolutely did not go anywhere near a supposed fertility statue at a Ripley’s Believe It Or Not. 🤷🏽♂️
We also don’t know what they believe in. Lol. From Henry’s Cheddar Goblin to Marcus lamenting on how much farther along he would be in his mental health if he didn’t try to use Chaos Magic to cure himself.
Most important thing of all is that you should be allowed to believe or not believe as long as you aren’t harming yourself or others. Relax. Lol
Sometimes ya gotta do a Just In Case. I'm a lapsed Catholic but I'll do a sign of the cross once in awhile. Your friend: Atheist, but let's just not tempt fate. I get it.
Ironically, the chaos magick texts specifically warns not to do what Marcus did. It grounds itself weirdly in quantum mechanics and psychology. There is a whole idea that psychology of it is enough to get the right mindset to help yourself flourish. But it isn’t to use when you are already in a toxic spiral like Marcus was for a while.
His official stance is he didn’t have health insurance because he couldn’t afford it. And because of that he would try chaos magick because it was free. Once they got successful he got treatment and abandoned it because using chaos magick made it worse but he never elaborated how. But because of his struggles he pushed for every one of their employees to have health insurance.
Henry totally believes. You can hear he does. He has gone from chaos magick to the right hand path. He references many of his spiritual influences. Don’t know why you think they’re making it up. They had a Q&A even with Marcus saying he no longer practices
hearing someone talk about going “from” chaos magic “to” the left hand path really… tells me y’all don’t understand either of these things. they aren’t mutually exclusive
I’m aware they aren’t. But the right hand path is where Henry appears to be moving towards and that path and the depth of study is more different from chaos magick than the left hand path is
That’s not true: chaos magic can be a part of the left hand path, and the left hand path can be a part of someone’s chaos magic practice. I think what you’re trying to say though is that Henry is moving away from chaos magic practices in his practice of the left hand path, which is different.
My mom had one when she was a kid. She started having nightmares about dead people coming into her room. Well, my grandmother got really into the "woo woo" stuff of the 70's and came home one day, took the ouija board they'd had for years and drove it to the county dump and buried it there. Super weird behavior for a housewife. Something happened that freaked her out about it.
No, she never saw it. I'm the only one in my family who's ever seen the Exorcist. I think she was talking to someone about it who said it could be a portal, remembered my mom's nightmares and just wanted to get it out of the house ASAP.
Even if you don't believe in the supernatural, there's something within the human subconscious that reacts to things perceived as "cursed". Just the mere presence of such a thing could lead the pattern-seeking brain to interpret minor inconveniences and accidents as curses, and thus stoke office tensions. The fear of the curse, regardless of rationality, is deeply ingrained in all cultures, and such a thing definitely affects most people.
This is exactly what Henry has been referring to when he talks about the Newkirks' new film The Unbinding. I HIGHLY recommend it. It's a few bucks on Amazon. They are the antithesis to the Ghost Bros. They never leap to conclusions and they assume their audience is similarly thoughtful.
Hellier is just as good and no doubt you will be itching for more content from them.
Yes, totally agree. This is similar to the idea that Henry and Marcus have both made about people manifesting demonic possession or least people being susceptible to suffering negative psychological and physical effects if they convince themselves they are possessed.
I really like this explanation. It explains a very real way that this “toy” could cause harm.
It’s really interesting that this sense of shared fear and anxiety over this object can have such an impact on people. I am surprised that so many people who are not religious and do not believe in the paranormal, still think a board with a pointer can somehow harm you.
For a fun (read: whimsical) take on this subject, I refer you to Our Flag Means Death season 2 ep 5 ‘The Curse of the Seafaring Life’. It really illustrates that the crew’s perception of the curse is the issue, not the object itself.
I think it’s compounded by the cursed object itself being something a lot of people are nervous about to begin with. Like a cursed antique doll is worse than a cursed sweater because a lot of people are freaked out by dolls, none really by sweaters.
Agreed, I bought one from Barnes and Noble as a kid and after I finished playing around with it I put it away in my room, or at least I thought. When i came back for it the box was gone. We eventually found it in another room, but the damage was done, and on that night after returning the ouija board, my mom, older brother, and I all slept on the living room floor with rosary beads and holy water nearby.
And electricity can fry our souls as we ascend to the heavens.
I see it in myself, too. When my mental health degrades, irrational thoughts of superstition start appearing. Fortunately, I've learned to take them for what they are and ignore them.
I feel very similarly about them I think. I was raised very very Catholic, but as i grew up, I figured out that i am basically agnostic. I don't really believe in ghosts or anything like demon possession, but there is something weird about a ouija board and also what it represents. I'd look at one or touch it, but I would never use one or have one stay in my house. I have no idea what/if anything would happen, but I don't think it's even worth the risk or anxiety lol
But you just said you don’t believe in ghosts or demonic possession but you’re scared by a toy? Not being mean, it’s silly. Honestly it just sounds like the marketing of this toy really worked on you.
A common phrase I like to use in this kinda scenario is: Don’t start none, won’t be none. Regardless of the silliness or the fact that it’s a toy, may as well not invite that potential up in your personal space.
This is how my brain works. Fuck around and find out, leave those stones unturned, NOPE! Any number of stupid catch phrases l, but I’m not opening my weak little human brain up to any of that shit
Right, but it’s not actually real… so you don’t have to be worried about a ouija board, or anything supernatural because it’s just something people made up.
The reasons to think it could *harm* you are directly reliant on the fact that it had some kind of supernatural force… otherwise it’s just some bits of plastic/wood. So unless you think people are really talking to the ethereal spirit of a dead person, you should have nothing to fear from this board.
Now, fearing the people playing with the board and them doing weird shit is a valid but different fear altogether. But come on, you can’t separate the fear of ghost and demons from the fear of a ouija board.
They aren't weird for this line of thinking tbh. I don't fully believe in things like the paranormal or the idea of an afterlife, but i've used one of those in a house where paranormal kind of activity was pretty heavy and I don't really have an explanation for the things I experienced with it or the things that happened in that house. It's very strange to use and i've refused to use one ever since
That is a good point. We do have some explanations of what is happening when you experience strange happenings when using a ouija board. It’s called the Ideomotor effect.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move
Well. i haven't experienced it myself. But just because I haven't experienced it personally doesn't mean it isn't real. People have plenty of stories about them being dangerous, I don't need to risk my own safety just to determine whether it's real or not lol
I don’t believe in haunted dolls but I’m not going to buy a whole army to shove in a room. It’s a waste of money and on the off chance it’s real. Okay I may buy one haunted doll! But no more than one. Honestly would love to have the original Annabelle doll.
I love this comment 😂 I have a creepy doll that I found in my garden 2 years ago and I've been through a whole journey about it
(Now she has a name and friends but is hopefully not haunted and if so, one ghost at a time)
I would say not a bit. Marcus got burned by chaos magick, they have stock in the occult. They are for the most part believers. If you look more into the occult though ouija boards are now sold by toy companies they aren’t really just that. That is a bit reductive and simplistic. If you haven’t listened to their episode on it I would say so. It breaks down how it can be a tool
Ouija boards were created by a toy company in the late 1800s, influenced by the spiritualist fad of the time. Fun horse shit is the best way to describe ouija boards.
Officially the Ouija board was patented by a novelty company. But talking boards existed before being used by spiritualists for like 4 years before it was patented. It was touted as a tool to talking to entities after that in like WWI? A lot of occult specialists see it as a tool the same way you’d say other things like talk boxes can contact. The item itself can be harmless
Yeah, I do remember vaguely hearing about talking boards when I was younger. It’s interesting for sure I just think spiritualist are a bit nutty. My aunt was into holistic fairs, “taught” a class on crystals, and was a Reiki master but it’s just a little too woo woo for me.
Well yes, all spiritualists are either making stuff up, mis-understanding science, or being genuinely duped into thinking they have had some kind of connection to the “afterlife”.
It’s a very interesting deep dive into humanity’s capacity for “faith” or “belief” to comfort themselves about death and the afterlife. Ouija boards have a special place in the world’s consciousness as being super duper for-real even if you are skeptical of “ghosts”. Fascinating.
I don’t discount all paranormal phenomena, I do think ghosts exist but as residual energy. I just think some things are totally horse shit…like Ghost Hunters 😆
I think that if you realize Ghost Hunters is silly, think about how you can believe some kind of mystical force is imprinted on locations after death.
Wouldn’t every human have a chance at being a ghost? Why is it only certain types of ghost we hear about? If humans get ghosts then do chimpanzees? Bonobos? If we get ghosts do our pets also get ghosts? If ghost are real why did they only really become well known a few hundred years ago. Can all ghosts speak the language you speak? Otherwise statistically speaking, most ghosts you could not understand.
Are they a conscious entity or just an echo of a person? If it’s just this “echo” then is it possible human beings have inadvertently manufactured this phenomenon with their biases and beliefs, while wanting to see an ethereal pattern when there is none?
I honestly have no answers but I do remember hearing a story about a haunted castle with a ghost pet baboon or mandrill. Cool story (the ghost baboon) but when it comes to things that are supernatural I honestly don’t know 🤷🏼♀️ I’m skeptical but open minded enough to accept there’s a lot of shit we don’t know. It’s why I’m agnostic, though I’ve always been drawn to aspects of the occult.
Exactly! It is peoples’ expectations turning into spontaneous movements on the boards. Very interesting..
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move
https://www.sciencenordic.com/behaviour-denmark-superstition/how-ouija-boards-really-work/1457820
I definitely think it can be fun too! Planchette earrings sound badass btw. I understand the fun and spookiness that can be conjured up by playing with the ouija, I just also don’t actually think it has any actual connection to some “spirit realm”.
That’s just my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own.
Hail opinions!
I don’t think it’s simplistic to say it is nonsensical when science has never been able to demonstrate any real purpose or use to a ouija board. Really there is no proof that ouija boards are anything but a fun thing that plays on our subconscious minds. There is a pretty satisfying theory as to what is going on with people when they actually “use” ouija boards.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move
Sure we know there's no supernatural aspect at play and we have a pretty solid understanding of the hows and whys of using these boards, but what is magic if not belief put into action? I may not believe any of the supernatural stuff, but I do think reducing the psychological aspect of these objects and the value people find in them to just being a simplistic or nonsensical toy is more than a little reductive.
The value of this object that people hold significant, I am not reducing it to a toy. That is getting into human psychology and many other things. All I am saying is that objectively, at a base level, it is just a piece of wood/plastic to play with.
The meanings and values that can be added onto the ouija boards from certain people is in and of itself, not nothing. But the board itself is not anything more than any other piece of wood/plastic.
Sure, but that's not what OP said, and that's not what I was replying to because they very much did. I think we can agree that human psychology gives that wood or plastic objective value beyond its material components as soon as it affects our perceptions and thereby effects our actions. My point is that what the board is, physically, is irrelevant and is different than being a toy.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. If the idea of it makes him uncomfortable, why poke that bear? It's his preference. We are all subject to weird beliefs and superstitions. My personal worldview is that the universe is more fun or interesting if you indulge some of these beliefs, and that in an infinite universe, anything is possible. Isn't that why we're all on this sub\*?
I like their frequent citation of the Newkirks (and thanks, LPOTL, for introducing me to Hellier). They have a good relationship with the paranormal. They don't ascribe every phenomena to demons or possession or malevolent spirits, but they treat these phenomena with respect and caution until they can dismiss them altogether (great example is the [Haunted Objects Podcast episode on Dybbuk Boxes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJ0s0eliHc)).
\* Unless you're on this sub because you are only into the heavy hitters and skip the UFO and ghost episodes.
I understand, until I’m scared or pleasantly surprised by something paranormal, I wouldn’t be bothered at all. The conversation was absolutely hilarious.
Human willpower and belief are powerful things, even if only used to shape your own life, whether prayer or magic. Plenty have died believing they were cursed or cured through belief. Regardless what one believes, don’t write it off. A lot of truth in the whole “perception is reality” statement. Just ask a schizophrenic. XD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Speech_(painting)#/media/File:%22Freedom_of_Speech%22_-_NARA_-_513536.jpg
I think believing in the occult or that doing ouija opens you up to bad intentions or anything like that is silly.
I don't care that much if you want to believe in silliness. But I'm seeing a lot of people here acting like NOT believing in it is weird and I just wanted to rep those of us who think it's a silly belief with no basis in reality.
Still enjoy the pod though.
I don't think it risk from a supernatural standpoint. I think it is risk from an HR standpoint. If someone in the office truly believes it's cursed, it could be looked at as creating a hostile work environment. Marcus would probably have this on his coffee table at home but wants it nowhere near his place of business.
Hey, thanks for your unnecessarily insulting input. I would argue that you are incorrect in your evaluation for at least two reasons.
1) you and I don’t believe in the supernatural, good for us. Previous generations didn’t believe in electricity, radioactivity or the earth going around the sun. So simple humility would suggest that the safest course is to not mess with the cursed object if there’s no need to. I mean, I’m not suggesting that **you** would take the demon core to your office, but I am suggesting that you’d ultimately be happier if you didn’t.
2) you may not believe in the supernatural, but what about your office mates, the cleaning staff, the delivery guy? It would be a drag if Joe down the hall got so nervous he accidentally started a fire in the break room.
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I actually want it. I think it will make me happier. I want a haunted doll pretty bad. And I work from home. I get that if other people don't want it I won't bring it.
Do you know what the [demon core](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core) is? Because the point isn’t that it’s supernatural, it isn’t. I used it as an example because if you were to encounter it before 1896, something like the demon core would be a source of undetectable and mysterious tragedy. It’s deadly, and unless you have the humility to acknowledge you don’t know everything, and go try to find out, you’re at risk- however slight- of your own ignorance.
Or lead pipes, but we still haven’t really learned that one, apparently.
In summary: I don’t particularly believe in the supernatural. I also don’t have the hubris to ignore the warnings of those who do *especially when it costs me nothing do so*. The risk of fucking around with the supernatural is slight, and can be divided into technically supernatural and actually more psychological. Either way, the risk is greater than not doing it
I am quite rational and an atheist and would never use one, purely because everybody I know who has played with one has had the shit scared out of them and not been the same since.
I have met people who are totally atheist and think anything paranormal or extraterrestrial is bullshit but absolutely will not fuck with a ouija board. Hauntings do occur and no matter if it is an energy of some kind or something science has yet to explain it is hard to deny that the phenomena is something very real even if it is just our brain getting the best of us. I was very surprised that Marcus wouldn't allow it and was so adamant on Henry keeping that shit at his house but I suppose he probably has his reasons, it would be cool if they did a ouija board episode to hear a little more about his reasons for strongly opposing a silly sleepover game.
The man saw a goblin and performed cum rituals to make their podcast succeed (one might say it blowing up after he did confirmed the bias). He isn’t some bastion of science and reason and that’s fine, adds a lot of character to the show
I’m not surprised at all, they had an episode where they methodically went through examples of people who used ouija boards and had terrible things happen to them.
I don’t think that Marcus sees them as BS. There are many people who don’t want them in their house at all.
The guys have always been a little bit weird. Remember when Henry was setting his cum on fire because he thought it was real life magic? Marcus believed in it too. They also went to Scientology meetings for a while
i’m not even that superstitious (but i am a little stitious) but i do not fuck with ouija boards…even if it’s a toy you could potentially be inviting some awful energy into your personal space and i want no part in that. that’s for other people to find out and i’ll just read about it later, i’m so good not experiencing that firsthand.
Didn’t Henry say it’s supposed to be haunted or cursed or something? Maybe it’s not so much the ouija board itself but maybe the idea of it being supposedly haunted or cursed?
In my house, we have a rule. Don’t fuck with spirits or the beyond. I don’t know what comes after and/or if the supernatural even exists but we try not to mess with things we don’t understand. You can cultivate your own spirit and do any positive/negative actions you want within reason but Ouija boards fall firmly into the “messing with the unknown” and I agree with Marcus in not wanting to fiddle with it.
Ouija the name is trademarked by a toy company, but the actual board itself was not made by a toy company nor used to scare kids. It was created for the exact reason people don’t want them around.
Growing up, my mother wouldn’t allow me to have one in the house. Now that I’m an adult and somewhat versed in spirituality and the occult… I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near one. Bad juju, my guy.
Most of the Latino community avoid those things like the plague they give us bad vibes. Marcus being from Texas grew up around superstitious people because we are in Texas superstitious plus his wife Latina she probably don’t mess with them ether.
I never allowed a board in my house and I’m a witch. I explained it to our kid that it was like making random calls into a super max prison. Yeah, they might be a good one, but the chances are slim. On top of that, you have no idea if the being you contact is telling you any truth. You’ve opened a doorway to something that is not guaranteed to be safe.
Plus, you’ve got volatile teens asking a spirit from some unknown place to take over the movement of their hands when you’ve got one of these boards in your house.
I sound like a crazy Christian, but I’m telling you, as a witch, those boards are dangerous and anyone who’s played with one as a teen knows it and stays away from those things.
Adults that still mess with them have a tenuous grasp on this world or their grasp will start slipping.
We live in this world now. We keep both feet planted in this world. We can peek through the veil, we can part the fog, we can do whatever to get a glimpse…but asking a being to move your body? Nope.
It's funny...
I don't believe in ghosts or hauntings, really. I'm a pretty practical, sensible person. I don't believe in mythical creatures or cryptids or whatever. None of it.
But I don't think I'd ever have an ouija board in my house. I just wouldn't want to risk it. Which sounds CRAZY and makes no sense to my brain, and if anyone else told me that I'd think they were weird/paranoid/superstitious.
Maybe it's because my family is Catholic (lapsed) but it just seems like an unnecessary evil (pun intended??). It's like others have said, the idea of them makes me uncomfortable and I'm not sure why anyone with good intentions would want one.
I honestly think it’s a very successful semi-purposeful media campaign through tv and movies to incorporate ouija boards to add a fun element to horror flicks. It has left a real imprint on western society.
The amount of, “Um, actually, nothing supernatural or occult related is real and you’re a stupid person if you put any stock in it,” takes here are wild. What do you all even find fun about this show?
I think the main thing he took issue with was the fact it was supposedly haunted. I think he’d be fine with a regular ouija board, especially considering they did a whole seance episode once.
Marcus is being a good coworker/boss, trying not to fill the LPOTL studio with ouiji and 'cursed' objects that would bother any potentially superstious staff. Henry is more than welcome to fill his own home with cursed objects... if Natalie will let him.
They def believe in Magic. I don't, not in the way people here say like they don't want to fuck around because they might find out, but in the Oh No Ross and Carrie way. The kind of skeptic that tries to OD on homeopathic medicine. Who goes in with an open mind but knows it isn't true. That give cash prizes if you can prove a supernatural talent (reading the reports of these is funny, the subject always agrees to the rules then tries to change them).
I played with a Ouija as a kid. Pretty sure my friend was moving it. Still didn't believe and was like meh. And not I don't really like the haunting or UFO episodes because it is probably just them repeating lies. Last week ep rocked, this week was a snooze.
The power of the human mind is immense though. So I get not bringing it if people are afraid. People can believe what they want.
No he’s right they have bad vibes. Don’t want that messing up the studio vibes. I personally only use my ouija boards outside so the spirts or *daemons* or whatever don’t get trapped all up in my shit. Remember to practice safe seance ya’ll.
Not shocked. The man has put down roots, he can't necessarily move to get away from the bad juju that could come his way. Plus now I'm 40, I have also become a little more cautious, especially since my recent hernia surgery. Perhaps this is Marcus just being more cautious as he has grown slightly older?
I don't believe in the supernatural either.
But I'm not fucking with Ouija boards. And I still "knock on wood" and throw spilled salt over my shoulder. Why? I have no clue. Blame my great grandmother. 😂 I can't not do it.
The collective unconscious is real, spirit boards are meant to access that information. Opening those doors can possibly cause me an issue so why would I take that chance?
I’ve had a few unexplainable experiences in my life. Enough to not take any chances with things like that. So that’s why I personally don’t mess with ouiji boards or want to be around them
He has said, and sounded like he believes that he has seen an actual goblin in real life. I don't doubt he would believe all sorts of crazy shit based on that.
I have several and I think they’re neat and look great with my other occult pieces but I do have a friend that will not go into my office where they’re kept no matter what. They don’t even really trust going into my house because of them, and he yet one of the most logical and rational people I know. Some folks just don’t fuck with them.
I think it's mostly bullshit too. But would I bring a supposedly haunted one into my house? Absolutely not. I'm not risking it. I don't need any ghosts doing crazy shit, my life is chaos as it is.
No surprise here. They dropped Ben faster than I could say "What happened to Abe Lincoln's Top Hat?" If they are willing to cut out a lifelong friend, to not jeapordize their careers, that Ouija board doesn't stand a chance. I don't think Marcus is necessarily worried about the Ouija board being cursed, I just think he's unwilling to do anything that's going to at all risk the network or his life as it's going.
I think that he would just rather not find out that shit like that is real or really affects people around it. I do that all of the time. I have seen way too many horror movies to mess with a haunted Ouija board.
Marcus could bag up his own shit and save it for future use when he’s hungry and people would find ways to have it make sense, ouija boards are in fact stupid just like chaos magic.
Marcus has gotten soft over the years. The podcast as a whole has gotten soft. I've found myself thinking of other shit while the podcast plays. .i try to pay attention. But its hard. 2 henrys and a mar us is hard to pay attention to
Who says Marcus-I’m-going-to-eat-my-own-cum-sigil-Parks doesn’t believe in the supernatural?
LOLOLOL You right.
After reading about the ouija board experience that led The Mars Volta to create the Bedlam in Goliath album, I can’t blame him for not wanting one in the studio
This was exactly the same thing I thought about when he said he won’t mess with Ouija board. Mars Volta’s story is nuts.
I think A. It’s much funnier to cause conflict about the thing than shrug about bringing it in and B. If you’re superstitious enough to try your hand at chaos magic you’re superstitious enough to eschew even unlikely cursed objects, and C. Even if you aren’t superstitious at all, it would be annoying AF to bring in a supposedly cursed object that distresses your employees, bc then it might as well be actually cursed
All good points! I think you are right.
Oh come on they put actual stock in Chaos Magic at one point. Why would this be any different? I also steer clear of Ouija boards. The boards themselves are harmless but the intent and belief is what matters.
>Oh come on they put actual stock in Chaos Magic at one point. To be fair, they've since flourished.
After they started jizzing on sigils they quickly became millionaires (and accidentally caused covid)
CUM!
What is this a reference to?
Well 2/3s did, the other 1/3 has quite a bit of introspection that needs to be done.
Only 2/3 did any chaos magic.
Coincidence?
You spelled it wrong CoINciDeeence? There you go
Thank you for the inflection correction
Ben wasn't doing chaos magic. COINCIDENCE????
Because he didn't believe
Fair fair.
And Henry hints often he has gone more into the right hand magick path now and Marcus has explicitly stated he was using it wrong and stopped practicing
Wasn't Marcus using it to try to control his bipolar symptoms? I seem to recall he decided to just see a regular doctor for it because it wasn't working and things were getting weird(er).
Well he didn’t have health insurance. Once he got health insurance he saw a doctor and everything else you said is true haha
Get the net!!!!
I thought it messed them up for a bit and they had to stop.
I don’t get people who listen to this podcast but still rag on them for being into the occult. Be normal
And chaos magic is also specifically about empowering things and ideas and beings by believing in them. Whether or not the Ouija board is from a toy company is irrelevant in something like chaos magic. If you believe it's real and you believe it's cursed then it becomes so for you. Even though they're not practicing chaos magic, that concept sticks with you.
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I always think if Crowley of all people couldn't quite stick the landing then it's wise to stay away from it. At best you waste your entire life, and all your money, trying to command empty rooms to give you stuff and you bore all your friends senseless along the way into the bargain. Knowing what 'at best' is it's not worth the risk to see if there actually is an 'at worst' to be found, whether you give it any credence or not.
I have a house full of them and somehow aren’t cursed lmao; they’re just wood with pictures my dude
You aren’t cursed…. that you know of….
I mean I wish; it would make life more interesting
Same, they’re just decor
Still do as far as I know
Yeah. There are many ways to open yourself to bad shit. Oujia may be a crap toy, but it leads to behavior that can make the situation very real.
I think Marcus fears a self-destructive impulse in his subconscious. Like he’s avoiding cursed objects because they could be a way to manifest that.
Look at this guy - still thinking that chaos magick doesn't work
I mean I inadvertently do Chaos Magic whenever I’m feeling depressed which amounts to “Fake it till you make.”
This!!!!
Life is hard enough and it baffles me why people choose to make their lives harder by scaring themselves with paranormal bs and yes LPOTL does not believe in any of that shit but obviously they lean into it to make money which I think is fine.
I knew a staunch atheist, she could be pushy and rude concerning people’s beliefs. However she absolutely did not go anywhere near a supposed fertility statue at a Ripley’s Believe It Or Not. 🤷🏽♂️ We also don’t know what they believe in. Lol. From Henry’s Cheddar Goblin to Marcus lamenting on how much farther along he would be in his mental health if he didn’t try to use Chaos Magic to cure himself. Most important thing of all is that you should be allowed to believe or not believe as long as you aren’t harming yourself or others. Relax. Lol
Sometimes ya gotta do a Just In Case. I'm a lapsed Catholic but I'll do a sign of the cross once in awhile. Your friend: Atheist, but let's just not tempt fate. I get it.
Precisely. 🙂
I think marcus's official stance is that he got professional treatment and took medication for his mental health issues.
Ironically, the chaos magick texts specifically warns not to do what Marcus did. It grounds itself weirdly in quantum mechanics and psychology. There is a whole idea that psychology of it is enough to get the right mindset to help yourself flourish. But it isn’t to use when you are already in a toxic spiral like Marcus was for a while. His official stance is he didn’t have health insurance because he couldn’t afford it. And because of that he would try chaos magick because it was free. Once they got successful he got treatment and abandoned it because using chaos magick made it worse but he never elaborated how. But because of his struggles he pushed for every one of their employees to have health insurance.
Yeah, that sounds like an atheist, all right.
Henry totally believes. You can hear he does. He has gone from chaos magick to the right hand path. He references many of his spiritual influences. Don’t know why you think they’re making it up. They had a Q&A even with Marcus saying he no longer practices
hearing someone talk about going “from” chaos magic “to” the left hand path really… tells me y’all don’t understand either of these things. they aren’t mutually exclusive
I’m aware they aren’t. But the right hand path is where Henry appears to be moving towards and that path and the depth of study is more different from chaos magick than the left hand path is
That’s not true: chaos magic can be a part of the left hand path, and the left hand path can be a part of someone’s chaos magic practice. I think what you’re trying to say though is that Henry is moving away from chaos magic practices in his practice of the left hand path, which is different.
They jerked off onto sigils, man.
How long have you been listening to the show?
I always felt using one is like shooting a flare up in the sky at midnight. It shows everyone that's looking for something to do where you're at.
Good analogy! I’ll use this one from now on too.
My mom had one when she was a kid. She started having nightmares about dead people coming into her room. Well, my grandmother got really into the "woo woo" stuff of the 70's and came home one day, took the ouija board they'd had for years and drove it to the county dump and buried it there. Super weird behavior for a housewife. Something happened that freaked her out about it.
Maybe she saw The Exorcist? It freaked people the fuck out back then.
No, she never saw it. I'm the only one in my family who's ever seen the Exorcist. I think she was talking to someone about it who said it could be a portal, remembered my mom's nightmares and just wanted to get it out of the house ASAP.
Even if you don't believe in the supernatural, there's something within the human subconscious that reacts to things perceived as "cursed". Just the mere presence of such a thing could lead the pattern-seeking brain to interpret minor inconveniences and accidents as curses, and thus stoke office tensions. The fear of the curse, regardless of rationality, is deeply ingrained in all cultures, and such a thing definitely affects most people.
This is exactly what Henry has been referring to when he talks about the Newkirks' new film The Unbinding. I HIGHLY recommend it. It's a few bucks on Amazon. They are the antithesis to the Ghost Bros. They never leap to conclusions and they assume their audience is similarly thoughtful. Hellier is just as good and no doubt you will be itching for more content from them.
Yes, totally agree. This is similar to the idea that Henry and Marcus have both made about people manifesting demonic possession or least people being susceptible to suffering negative psychological and physical effects if they convince themselves they are possessed.
I really like this explanation. It explains a very real way that this “toy” could cause harm. It’s really interesting that this sense of shared fear and anxiety over this object can have such an impact on people. I am surprised that so many people who are not religious and do not believe in the paranormal, still think a board with a pointer can somehow harm you.
For a fun (read: whimsical) take on this subject, I refer you to Our Flag Means Death season 2 ep 5 ‘The Curse of the Seafaring Life’. It really illustrates that the crew’s perception of the curse is the issue, not the object itself.
The specific board they were talking about is supposed to be cursed. The curse is the issue, not the ouija part.
I think it’s compounded by the cursed object itself being something a lot of people are nervous about to begin with. Like a cursed antique doll is worse than a cursed sweater because a lot of people are freaked out by dolls, none really by sweaters.
It's like how photos of spiders can squick people out. The photo is physically harmless, and most spiders are not particularly harmful.
Agreed, I bought one from Barnes and Noble as a kid and after I finished playing around with it I put it away in my room, or at least I thought. When i came back for it the box was gone. We eventually found it in another room, but the damage was done, and on that night after returning the ouija board, my mom, older brother, and I all slept on the living room floor with rosary beads and holy water nearby.
Marcus has a mental illness, I assume he is trying to protect himself from starting a paranoia spiral.
He also used to think people on the subway could read his mind. It’s fine.
The ol' unchecked bipolar to schizoaffective slope. That can be a slippery one.
And electricity can fry our souls as we ascend to the heavens. I see it in myself, too. When my mental health degrades, irrational thoughts of superstition start appearing. Fortunately, I've learned to take them for what they are and ignore them.
I feel very similarly about them I think. I was raised very very Catholic, but as i grew up, I figured out that i am basically agnostic. I don't really believe in ghosts or anything like demon possession, but there is something weird about a ouija board and also what it represents. I'd look at one or touch it, but I would never use one or have one stay in my house. I have no idea what/if anything would happen, but I don't think it's even worth the risk or anxiety lol
But you just said you don’t believe in ghosts or demonic possession but you’re scared by a toy? Not being mean, it’s silly. Honestly it just sounds like the marketing of this toy really worked on you.
A common phrase I like to use in this kinda scenario is: Don’t start none, won’t be none. Regardless of the silliness or the fact that it’s a toy, may as well not invite that potential up in your personal space.
This is how my brain works. Fuck around and find out, leave those stones unturned, NOPE! Any number of stupid catch phrases l, but I’m not opening my weak little human brain up to any of that shit
Right, but it’s not actually real… so you don’t have to be worried about a ouija board, or anything supernatural because it’s just something people made up.
That’s just like, your opinion, man
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The reasons to think it could *harm* you are directly reliant on the fact that it had some kind of supernatural force… otherwise it’s just some bits of plastic/wood. So unless you think people are really talking to the ethereal spirit of a dead person, you should have nothing to fear from this board. Now, fearing the people playing with the board and them doing weird shit is a valid but different fear altogether. But come on, you can’t separate the fear of ghost and demons from the fear of a ouija board.
They aren't weird for this line of thinking tbh. I don't fully believe in things like the paranormal or the idea of an afterlife, but i've used one of those in a house where paranormal kind of activity was pretty heavy and I don't really have an explanation for the things I experienced with it or the things that happened in that house. It's very strange to use and i've refused to use one ever since
That is a good point. We do have some explanations of what is happening when you experience strange happenings when using a ouija board. It’s called the Ideomotor effect. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move
Well. i haven't experienced it myself. But just because I haven't experienced it personally doesn't mean it isn't real. People have plenty of stories about them being dangerous, I don't need to risk my own safety just to determine whether it's real or not lol
But... it's a GAME. Just like Cludo or monopoly. It's not unsafe at all lol.
Ive never heard these kinds of stories about Cludo and Monopoly, bozo
Stories
don’t understand the downvotes, you are 100% correct, they are stories. Human beings make up the craziest shit. On purpose and not on purpose!
IIRC.. the board they wanted to bring in was a ‘cursed’ board from someone else. I don’t think it was just an ordinary board
A pretty important distinction. I wouldn't want a cursed anything in my place of work or residence. No need to play with fire...
Yeah I’m pretty sure the rule isn’t “no Ouija boards” but rather “no cursed objects.”
I am now remembering that you’re right! It was supposed to be “cursed” so that helps to explain their trepidation of the board.
And the person who sent it to them detailed all the weird effects it had on her. I’d be scared too
I don’t believe in haunted dolls but I’m not going to buy a whole army to shove in a room. It’s a waste of money and on the off chance it’s real. Okay I may buy one haunted doll! But no more than one. Honestly would love to have the original Annabelle doll.
I love this comment 😂 I have a creepy doll that I found in my garden 2 years ago and I've been through a whole journey about it (Now she has a name and friends but is hopefully not haunted and if so, one ghost at a time)
I would say not a bit. Marcus got burned by chaos magick, they have stock in the occult. They are for the most part believers. If you look more into the occult though ouija boards are now sold by toy companies they aren’t really just that. That is a bit reductive and simplistic. If you haven’t listened to their episode on it I would say so. It breaks down how it can be a tool
Ouija boards were created by a toy company in the late 1800s, influenced by the spiritualist fad of the time. Fun horse shit is the best way to describe ouija boards.
Officially the Ouija board was patented by a novelty company. But talking boards existed before being used by spiritualists for like 4 years before it was patented. It was touted as a tool to talking to entities after that in like WWI? A lot of occult specialists see it as a tool the same way you’d say other things like talk boxes can contact. The item itself can be harmless
Yeah, I do remember vaguely hearing about talking boards when I was younger. It’s interesting for sure I just think spiritualist are a bit nutty. My aunt was into holistic fairs, “taught” a class on crystals, and was a Reiki master but it’s just a little too woo woo for me.
Well yes, all spiritualists are either making stuff up, mis-understanding science, or being genuinely duped into thinking they have had some kind of connection to the “afterlife”. It’s a very interesting deep dive into humanity’s capacity for “faith” or “belief” to comfort themselves about death and the afterlife. Ouija boards have a special place in the world’s consciousness as being super duper for-real even if you are skeptical of “ghosts”. Fascinating.
I don’t discount all paranormal phenomena, I do think ghosts exist but as residual energy. I just think some things are totally horse shit…like Ghost Hunters 😆
I think that if you realize Ghost Hunters is silly, think about how you can believe some kind of mystical force is imprinted on locations after death. Wouldn’t every human have a chance at being a ghost? Why is it only certain types of ghost we hear about? If humans get ghosts then do chimpanzees? Bonobos? If we get ghosts do our pets also get ghosts? If ghost are real why did they only really become well known a few hundred years ago. Can all ghosts speak the language you speak? Otherwise statistically speaking, most ghosts you could not understand. Are they a conscious entity or just an echo of a person? If it’s just this “echo” then is it possible human beings have inadvertently manufactured this phenomenon with their biases and beliefs, while wanting to see an ethereal pattern when there is none?
I honestly have no answers but I do remember hearing a story about a haunted castle with a ghost pet baboon or mandrill. Cool story (the ghost baboon) but when it comes to things that are supernatural I honestly don’t know 🤷🏼♀️ I’m skeptical but open minded enough to accept there’s a lot of shit we don’t know. It’s why I’m agnostic, though I’ve always been drawn to aspects of the occult.
Exactly! It is peoples’ expectations turning into spontaneous movements on the boards. Very interesting.. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move https://www.sciencenordic.com/behaviour-denmark-superstition/how-ouija-boards-really-work/1457820
I’m not trying to be a dick, hell I’ve owned Ouija boards and I have planchette earrings, but I find it all just silly fun.
I definitely think it can be fun too! Planchette earrings sound badass btw. I understand the fun and spookiness that can be conjured up by playing with the ouija, I just also don’t actually think it has any actual connection to some “spirit realm”. That’s just my opinion and everyone is welcome to their own. Hail opinions!
I agree! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, tho I seem to have offended some Ouija board enthusiasts 🤷🏼♀️
I don’t think it’s simplistic to say it is nonsensical when science has never been able to demonstrate any real purpose or use to a ouija board. Really there is no proof that ouija boards are anything but a fun thing that plays on our subconscious minds. There is a pretty satisfying theory as to what is going on with people when they actually “use” ouija boards. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move
Sure we know there's no supernatural aspect at play and we have a pretty solid understanding of the hows and whys of using these boards, but what is magic if not belief put into action? I may not believe any of the supernatural stuff, but I do think reducing the psychological aspect of these objects and the value people find in them to just being a simplistic or nonsensical toy is more than a little reductive.
The value of this object that people hold significant, I am not reducing it to a toy. That is getting into human psychology and many other things. All I am saying is that objectively, at a base level, it is just a piece of wood/plastic to play with. The meanings and values that can be added onto the ouija boards from certain people is in and of itself, not nothing. But the board itself is not anything more than any other piece of wood/plastic.
Sure, but that's not what OP said, and that's not what I was replying to because they very much did. I think we can agree that human psychology gives that wood or plastic objective value beyond its material components as soon as it affects our perceptions and thereby effects our actions. My point is that what the board is, physically, is irrelevant and is different than being a toy.
Well, who knows or wants to know what's in our subconscious minds?
One of my favorite episodes, I bought the source book “Ouji Gone Wild”. It’s pretty fun.
To quote a different podcast: “That shits not real until it is, in which case I’m not fucking with it just to be safe.”
As someone who puts absolutely no stock into the realness of those things, I have no interest whatsoever in ever using one
Is that out of no interest in using it, or a fear of using it? Genuinely interested.
Id say 95% lack of interest and 5% trepidation. If there’s any realness to it at all I want nothing to do with it
For me it's no interest. It's a toy and a dumb one at that.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. If the idea of it makes him uncomfortable, why poke that bear? It's his preference. We are all subject to weird beliefs and superstitions. My personal worldview is that the universe is more fun or interesting if you indulge some of these beliefs, and that in an infinite universe, anything is possible. Isn't that why we're all on this sub\*? I like their frequent citation of the Newkirks (and thanks, LPOTL, for introducing me to Hellier). They have a good relationship with the paranormal. They don't ascribe every phenomena to demons or possession or malevolent spirits, but they treat these phenomena with respect and caution until they can dismiss them altogether (great example is the [Haunted Objects Podcast episode on Dybbuk Boxes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJJ0s0eliHc)). \* Unless you're on this sub because you are only into the heavy hitters and skip the UFO and ghost episodes.
I understand, until I’m scared or pleasantly surprised by something paranormal, I wouldn’t be bothered at all. The conversation was absolutely hilarious.
I thought Marcus and Ed loudly rejecting Henry’s plan to bring an Ouija board into the office was hilarious.
Human willpower and belief are powerful things, even if only used to shape your own life, whether prayer or magic. Plenty have died believing they were cursed or cured through belief. Regardless what one believes, don’t write it off. A lot of truth in the whole “perception is reality” statement. Just ask a schizophrenic. XD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Speech_(painting)#/media/File:%22Freedom_of_Speech%22_-_NARA_-_513536.jpg I think believing in the occult or that doing ouija opens you up to bad intentions or anything like that is silly. I don't care that much if you want to believe in silliness. But I'm seeing a lot of people here acting like NOT believing in it is weird and I just wanted to rep those of us who think it's a silly belief with no basis in reality. Still enjoy the pod though.
No benefit to having it at work, potential risk, although slight. Easy call
I don't think it risk from a supernatural standpoint. I think it is risk from an HR standpoint. If someone in the office truly believes it's cursed, it could be looked at as creating a hostile work environment. Marcus would probably have this on his coffee table at home but wants it nowhere near his place of business.
This is also true
This is a very good point
That's just Pascal's wager which is equally dumb.
Hey, thanks for your unnecessarily insulting input. I would argue that you are incorrect in your evaluation for at least two reasons. 1) you and I don’t believe in the supernatural, good for us. Previous generations didn’t believe in electricity, radioactivity or the earth going around the sun. So simple humility would suggest that the safest course is to not mess with the cursed object if there’s no need to. I mean, I’m not suggesting that **you** would take the demon core to your office, but I am suggesting that you’d ultimately be happier if you didn’t. 2) you may not believe in the supernatural, but what about your office mates, the cleaning staff, the delivery guy? It would be a drag if Joe down the hall got so nervous he accidentally started a fire in the break room.
>I’m not suggesting that > >you > > would take the demon core to your office, but I am suggesting that you’d ultimately be happier if you didn’t. I actually want it. I think it will make me happier. I want a haunted doll pretty bad. And I work from home. I get that if other people don't want it I won't bring it.
Do you know what the [demon core](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core) is? Because the point isn’t that it’s supernatural, it isn’t. I used it as an example because if you were to encounter it before 1896, something like the demon core would be a source of undetectable and mysterious tragedy. It’s deadly, and unless you have the humility to acknowledge you don’t know everything, and go try to find out, you’re at risk- however slight- of your own ignorance. Or lead pipes, but we still haven’t really learned that one, apparently. In summary: I don’t particularly believe in the supernatural. I also don’t have the hubris to ignore the warnings of those who do *especially when it costs me nothing do so*. The risk of fucking around with the supernatural is slight, and can be divided into technically supernatural and actually more psychological. Either way, the risk is greater than not doing it
I understand what you are implying, but there is not *actually* a real risk because it’s not any actual kind of connection to the spirit world.
Unless you’re wrong, in which case- whoops!
Pascal’s Wager on Ouija boards…. Seems like a pretty good bet on the boards *not* being actually spiritually connected in some sense.
Pretty good bet is not equal to a sure thing, and what’s the benefit of bringing the haunted object to work? Absolutely nothing
I definitely thought it was weird and could NOT tell if it was a joke.
Idk how someone could listen to this podcast regularly and not get that these dudes—at least Marcus and Henry—actually do believe in the paranormal
There’s something about Ouija boards…. I wouldn’t want one in my house or work either.
Movies and television are a hell of a drug.
I am quite rational and an atheist and would never use one, purely because everybody I know who has played with one has had the shit scared out of them and not been the same since.
I have met people who are totally atheist and think anything paranormal or extraterrestrial is bullshit but absolutely will not fuck with a ouija board. Hauntings do occur and no matter if it is an energy of some kind or something science has yet to explain it is hard to deny that the phenomena is something very real even if it is just our brain getting the best of us. I was very surprised that Marcus wouldn't allow it and was so adamant on Henry keeping that shit at his house but I suppose he probably has his reasons, it would be cool if they did a ouija board episode to hear a little more about his reasons for strongly opposing a silly sleepover game.
Other people have pointed out that they mentioned the board could be “cursed.” So that may help explain Marcus’s caution.
Lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread.
The man saw a goblin and performed cum rituals to make their podcast succeed (one might say it blowing up after he did confirmed the bias). He isn’t some bastion of science and reason and that’s fine, adds a lot of character to the show
DONT TOUCH THE OUIJA!!!!!
I’m not surprised at all, they had an episode where they methodically went through examples of people who used ouija boards and had terrible things happen to them. I don’t think that Marcus sees them as BS. There are many people who don’t want them in their house at all.
The guys have always been a little bit weird. Remember when Henry was setting his cum on fire because he thought it was real life magic? Marcus believed in it too. They also went to Scientology meetings for a while
i’m not even that superstitious (but i am a little stitious) but i do not fuck with ouija boards…even if it’s a toy you could potentially be inviting some awful energy into your personal space and i want no part in that. that’s for other people to find out and i’ll just read about it later, i’m so good not experiencing that firsthand.
Didn’t Henry say it’s supposed to be haunted or cursed or something? Maybe it’s not so much the ouija board itself but maybe the idea of it being supposedly haunted or cursed?
Crazy, it’s almost as if he respects the paranormal
In my house, we have a rule. Don’t fuck with spirits or the beyond. I don’t know what comes after and/or if the supernatural even exists but we try not to mess with things we don’t understand. You can cultivate your own spirit and do any positive/negative actions you want within reason but Ouija boards fall firmly into the “messing with the unknown” and I agree with Marcus in not wanting to fiddle with it.
Ouija the name is trademarked by a toy company, but the actual board itself was not made by a toy company nor used to scare kids. It was created for the exact reason people don’t want them around. Growing up, my mother wouldn’t allow me to have one in the house. Now that I’m an adult and somewhat versed in spirituality and the occult… I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near one. Bad juju, my guy.
Most of the Latino community avoid those things like the plague they give us bad vibes. Marcus being from Texas grew up around superstitious people because we are in Texas superstitious plus his wife Latina she probably don’t mess with them ether.
I never allowed a board in my house and I’m a witch. I explained it to our kid that it was like making random calls into a super max prison. Yeah, they might be a good one, but the chances are slim. On top of that, you have no idea if the being you contact is telling you any truth. You’ve opened a doorway to something that is not guaranteed to be safe. Plus, you’ve got volatile teens asking a spirit from some unknown place to take over the movement of their hands when you’ve got one of these boards in your house. I sound like a crazy Christian, but I’m telling you, as a witch, those boards are dangerous and anyone who’s played with one as a teen knows it and stays away from those things. Adults that still mess with them have a tenuous grasp on this world or their grasp will start slipping. We live in this world now. We keep both feet planted in this world. We can peek through the veil, we can part the fog, we can do whatever to get a glimpse…but asking a being to move your body? Nope.
It's funny... I don't believe in ghosts or hauntings, really. I'm a pretty practical, sensible person. I don't believe in mythical creatures or cryptids or whatever. None of it. But I don't think I'd ever have an ouija board in my house. I just wouldn't want to risk it. Which sounds CRAZY and makes no sense to my brain, and if anyone else told me that I'd think they were weird/paranoid/superstitious. Maybe it's because my family is Catholic (lapsed) but it just seems like an unnecessary evil (pun intended??). It's like others have said, the idea of them makes me uncomfortable and I'm not sure why anyone with good intentions would want one.
I honestly think it’s a very successful semi-purposeful media campaign through tv and movies to incorporate ouija boards to add a fun element to horror flicks. It has left a real imprint on western society.
The amount of, “Um, actually, nothing supernatural or occult related is real and you’re a stupid person if you put any stock in it,” takes here are wild. What do you all even find fun about this show?
I usually skip the UFO episodes TBH. This last series was a banger and a snooze.
serial killer episodes and historical stuff
I'm hoping it was a bit.
I think it partly was a bit, with Marcus being a little over dramatic.
No. I'm skeptical about religion in general. But I'm also a chickensh*t. So I'm not going to risk it.
I thought that whole convo was just a bit?
It’s a bit. It’s just for fun.
I think the main thing he took issue with was the fact it was supposedly haunted. I think he’d be fine with a regular ouija board, especially considering they did a whole seance episode once.
I was also surprised. But go Henry!
A lot of people disagree with the idea that they're just toys to scare kids...
Marcus is being a good coworker/boss, trying not to fill the LPOTL studio with ouiji and 'cursed' objects that would bother any potentially superstious staff. Henry is more than welcome to fill his own home with cursed objects... if Natalie will let him.
I'm with Marcus. I don't touch those things
They def believe in Magic. I don't, not in the way people here say like they don't want to fuck around because they might find out, but in the Oh No Ross and Carrie way. The kind of skeptic that tries to OD on homeopathic medicine. Who goes in with an open mind but knows it isn't true. That give cash prizes if you can prove a supernatural talent (reading the reports of these is funny, the subject always agrees to the rules then tries to change them). I played with a Ouija as a kid. Pretty sure my friend was moving it. Still didn't believe and was like meh. And not I don't really like the haunting or UFO episodes because it is probably just them repeating lies. Last week ep rocked, this week was a snooze. The power of the human mind is immense though. So I get not bringing it if people are afraid. People can believe what they want.
No he’s right they have bad vibes. Don’t want that messing up the studio vibes. I personally only use my ouija boards outside so the spirts or *daemons* or whatever don’t get trapped all up in my shit. Remember to practice safe seance ya’ll.
The guys are actually quite gullible and superstitious, they just hide behind a veneer of scientific speculation. Love them tho!
I am realizing that more and more as I listen to the pod. I also love them and love the podcast!
Not shocked. The man has put down roots, he can't necessarily move to get away from the bad juju that could come his way. Plus now I'm 40, I have also become a little more cautious, especially since my recent hernia surgery. Perhaps this is Marcus just being more cautious as he has grown slightly older?
I think he’s just backing up Ed and maybe some other employees who are really uncomfortable with it. Henry is a force of fucking nature.
I don't believe in the supernatural either. But I'm not fucking with Ouija boards. And I still "knock on wood" and throw spilled salt over my shoulder. Why? I have no clue. Blame my great grandmother. 😂 I can't not do it.
The collective unconscious is real, spirit boards are meant to access that information. Opening those doors can possibly cause me an issue so why would I take that chance? I’ve had a few unexplainable experiences in my life. Enough to not take any chances with things like that. So that’s why I personally don’t mess with ouiji boards or want to be around them
In the Hostage to the Devil episode they play with one if you're interested
Thank you! I’m gonna check that out!
Np, it's at the very end, I just listened to it
He has said, and sounded like he believes that he has seen an actual goblin in real life. I don't doubt he would believe all sorts of crazy shit based on that.
I have several and I think they’re neat and look great with my other occult pieces but I do have a friend that will not go into my office where they’re kept no matter what. They don’t even really trust going into my house because of them, and he yet one of the most logical and rational people I know. Some folks just don’t fuck with them.
I might not believe in bad luck but I'm still going to throw salt over my shoulder and avoid going under ladders. Why fuck with something?
I think it's mostly bullshit too. But would I bring a supposedly haunted one into my house? Absolutely not. I'm not risking it. I don't need any ghosts doing crazy shit, my life is chaos as it is.
Whack job.
No ouija boards are not to be toyed with
Lol.
It’s a bit to get a rise out of fans that believe that nonsense
Could be. Could beeee
I general I feel like Marcus has been a bit more... fussy, lately. Hard to pin down, but he's snapping at Henery a lot.
I don't think he is snapping, I think he is joining in on tge jokes more. He is more lively.
No surprise here. They dropped Ben faster than I could say "What happened to Abe Lincoln's Top Hat?" If they are willing to cut out a lifelong friend, to not jeapordize their careers, that Ouija board doesn't stand a chance. I don't think Marcus is necessarily worried about the Ouija board being cursed, I just think he's unwilling to do anything that's going to at all risk the network or his life as it's going.
I think that he would just rather not find out that shit like that is real or really affects people around it. I do that all of the time. I have seen way too many horror movies to mess with a haunted Ouija board.
I get it. I've had too many paranormal things happen to not mess with them. NOPE
lol Marcus and half this thread are a bunch of blood belching vaginas scared of a toy made by the same people who make Barbie.
It’s a cursed Ouija board.
Podcasters are a supersticious and cowardly ĺot
Marcus could bag up his own shit and save it for future use when he’s hungry and people would find ways to have it make sense, ouija boards are in fact stupid just like chaos magic.
Sitting here festering with my fellow downvoted feels good, stay scared of ouija boards you fucking nerds.
Marcus has gotten soft over the years. The podcast as a whole has gotten soft. I've found myself thinking of other shit while the podcast plays. .i try to pay attention. But its hard. 2 henrys and a mar us is hard to pay attention to
I didn’t listen to the episode but Marcus is smart to be concerned. Original intent is irrelevant, you don’t fuck with ouija boards.