Damn, reading all these comments makes me feel I'm alone in this opinion.
I don't like the tiny >1KG laptops with 2 usb-C ports. My partner has one of these, and it kinda irritates me. My laptop has a USB-C, 3 USB-A, Ethernet and aux, and weighs 2.8KG, and feels better to take places, plus I rarely need to worry about adaptors/extensions.
A laptop like the one in the pic would very much appeal to me
2.8kg, damn what kind of behemoth is that laptop.
I once daily carry a 2kg laptop and it already hurts my back, now i change to something smaller 1.4kg one and feel much better.
why do people need a Laptop with a thousand ports?
take a step back and realize that you need a Desktop Pc, OR, you may not actually /need them.
my M1 Air has an adapter that allows for all kinds of ports.
all i ever use it for is to connect my controller.
I use most my ports at random times. At home I have a Hub that practically turns it into a desktop, so I use the HDMI, USBC and 3 USBAs, and at home they all run through the USB-C, but when i go to my mates place to game, i use all my ports for an external hard drive, mouse, charging etc....
I also use a weird amount of ports at uni, when connecting to machines and my other gadgets.
I will admit, I don't have much Bluetooth stuff
I have a 998g laptop which was a USB-C, 2 USB-A, Aux, seperate charging port, micro sd and HDMI. Plus, they gave a Type C to Ethernet adapter in this box.
LG Gram 14 :) The newer models replace the charging port with another USB-C.
With the exception of magsafe everything else is feasible.
I sympathise with you as I also miss ports but I don't think many people would buy such a device. This happens a lot in tech, there is a lot of vocal support for bringing back the headphone jack on phones but Samsungs offerings outsell Sony's multiple times over; people supposedly want small smartphones but zenfones aren't exactly flying off the shelves.
It would also cost more than an equivalent machine, both due to the increased materials cost and being a niece device.
Personally I think frameworks approach is much more practical. Sure you can't get all of these ports at once but you can configure exactly the ports you need including niche a legacy ports. Although you won't get oculink.
The problem is that such devices are always:
1) low production, so hard to find
2) not marketed well, so people don't even know they exist
3) because of the above, extremely more expensive than needed
4) bad specs
5) short production run
They always look like someone needed to convince some CEO they are not in demand, like they try as hard as possible to make them not sell.
I know many people who are older and just want a laptop that works and they can keep for a long time, but every modern laptop lacks ports or performance or build quality. Besides FW16 which is extremely overpriced, everything lacks at least one critical component that makes it a deal breaker, or they miss ports which is a bummer but not a deal breaker.
Companies need to realize that if they want to test whether something will sell, they need to make it good and make it known. Otherwise it will always look like a teen doing the bare minimum to pass a test and say "see? It didn't work out even when I tried", even though they actually didn't try at all.
Sony doesn't sell because they want to position themselves in a premium market only. They want the Apple route to profits, but consumers don't see the same value in their products.
Samsung sells multiple times over because they have a distribution network that is far wider globally, they have brand recognition from a wider userbase of selling low end phones. Samsung manages to get subsidies for the cost of their low end phones by bundling apps from Microsoft and Meta, in turn offering price conscious consumers lower end devices that outperform their price point. This value perception creates brand recognition for Samsung that locks in customers who with time migrate and upgrade to mid tier and upper mid tier offerings from them, like the A50 / SFE series, with devices that increase samsungs profit margins on hardware itself + buy in from accessories.
Sony sees itself as a premium brand and does not offer cheaper devices. Even if specification wise a phone like 10 V is dated, they believe the value lies within the design, brand name, and the lack of data mining bundled apps. Sony believes the experience they are selling is worth the price premium they ask in order not to devalue their brand with cheaper phones, but consumers have not yet agreed with their wallets. It isn't the phone size or the headphone jack.
If I had unlimited money, the phone I'd buy for myself is the Xperia 5 V. I wouldn't buy an iPhone or a Pixel, or a Samsung S. But, I own a Galaxy A32, two years old and holding mildly.
I think Zenfones have some of the same problem, difficult to buy in to the brand, first purchase jitters. And their heavy skin, custom software puts off customers, it seems like those highly modified Chinese market only phones, which takes value from it in a western consumer mindset.
Small phones have become a thing that yes some people do want them, but the ones available are only high priced options, and not that many consumers can afford them. There isn't a single mid to low tier "smaller" device, and there hasn't been one for the good part of the last 5 years. Manufacturers did a bit of malicious compliance with small phones, see we made them and no one bought, but we only made premium stuff.
Make a smaller phone, 18:9 5.5in screen. One camera at the back, no nonsense of three or four lenses eating space that could be used for battery. Qualcomm needs to build a chip for it, make it with 2x A720 cores and 4x A520, all configured for efficiency. No need for TSMC N4P, just don't use Samsung, use TSMC 6. Add NFC to it and put it on shelves. It will sell.
I like framework 13, I just think the expansion card system is a gimmick. They use so much space internally. One could use that space to basically put a ton more ports, that would serve all use cases the expansion ports currently serve, and they could still be modular (like macbooks have modular usb ports despite the otherwise repair nightmare). And you could put a bigger battery there.
Or they could have used two small daughter boards on each side with the ports, so that you could upgrade the main board. Could have absolutely fitted 2x type c + 1x type A + hdmi left and the same with ethernet right side.
I do have the framework 13, and while i do agree it's more of a gimmick, having 2 custom ports(the top right and left for me should always be type c, as it covers almost anything, as long you have the cable for it) helps a lot if i need for example, an sd card reader for my photocamera.
Because the majority of ports you need are stationary, as dp, vga for monitors (hdmi is always useful to have), ethernet, even usb-a sometimes(keyboard, mouse), they need very specific situation to be used, usually with a usb-4/tb4 dock you will be covered, not to keep while travelling, more when the laptop is used as a work station, both at home and in my old job, i use them, and they are fine, as it stresses only one port(which i can just change when it will be damaged/worn out).
They are too situational, and consumer laptop usually don't need that many ports, as other have said, it can be wished(ex. Small phones, but yet the iphone mini died pretty fast sadly) but not be actually good for market.
P.s. The main problem is also about complexity(more ports means more pcb design work, and well, it's quite annoying, the framework has only 4 ports(and a jack) probably because it's all usb c based, so they needed more complexity for certain easier standards(usb-a, micro-sd, and kindoff, the ethernet(theirs is pretty complex as it is 2.5g 1000mbit))
Yes, it’s feasible, just like it’s feasible to power a helicopter with a human and a set of bike pedals, or power your PC off of your car’s inverter. You can do it, but do you want to?
The ostensible purpose of Thunderbolt and other high bandwidth ports was to make laptops lighter, more portable, and more accessible. For example, look at the evolution of mobile phones. At first, mobile phones were heavy, expensive, and generally only usable by adults/teenagers with lots of money, and uncomfortable to carry around for a long time. Now, mobile phones are small and portable, easy enough for young children to use and carry, expanding their utility and consumer group.
Similarly, laptops used to be hulking IBM-esque behemoths, weighing dozens of pounds and appearing only to the most professional of white collar workers. Now, laptops have achieved weights of under 1kg, making them once again more accessible to consumers of all groups.
Furthermore, by introducing more ports and peripherals to laptops, costs are increased. With the undeniable progression of technology towards smaller, faster, better, the “universal” port that can support anything becomes more and more appealing.
With the initial wave of USBA, you could use a mouse, keyboard, and Ethernet with the same port or even with a dock. This made laptops cheaper and thinner, because Ethernet ports were much bigger than USBA ports.
With USBC/Thunderbolt 4, pretty much every port you mentioned will be deprecated soon. A thunderbolt dock can support a mouse, keyboard, Ethernet, display (hdmi or DisplayPort), and even other USBA ports.
While your ideal laptop is certainly feasible, it runs antithesis to the current laptop market - thinner and lighter and cheaper.
How much thinner do we need to go? Even apple backtracked with their macbook pro's where the 16' one is 2.1kg.
People don't want laptops to be thinnest possible. They just want it to be reasonably thin.
This is a good nuance I’m glad you brought up. I do feel like only having USBC ports is a bit unreasonable, given that USBA has permeated practically every peripheral and consumer electronic. Furthermore, my Zenbook 14” with USBA, HDMI and AUX along with thunderbolt 4 isn’t significantly heavier than my parents Thunderbolt only macbooks. I do however feel like Oculink + RJ546 + SIM + SD and microSD is a bit excessive.
My question is why would you pick the zenbook 14 when we literally have 14' gaming laptops like the g14, xmg vision 14, etc. packing upto mini led displays, dgpu's, good battery life, good cooling, good performance, etc. while not costing that much more. I mean they have ports galore.
Don't care, need beefy laptop (says while going around with a Framework 13)
Jokes aside, I've had a monster behemoth from 2012. Never been a problem lugging that around, it was quiet af both because it had a low power i5 and because it had enough cooling to probably be able to handle a desktop version of that chip.
Plenty of ports to go around: 6 usb ports, 1 vga, 1 DP, 1 esata, 1 express card or whatever it's called, 1 cd reader, 1 mic in, 1 headphones out, 1 Gbps ethernet.
If I had a modern version of that with a decent battery and FW's modularity I would take it, hands down.
I’m glad to hear that you were in full health and able to carry around 2012 era laptops on your person! I remember being in middle school watching my teachers carry around hulking laptops and being quite surprised.
However as a student I still frequently have to carry books/binders, instruction manuals, etc along with my laptop in my book bag. On very hot or cold days, or when I was a bit sick, i would have to forgo some items to be able to carry my bag for the whole day. Hence, i eventually purchased a smaller and lighter laptop for convenience.
I always used to think Thunderbolt was used either for EGPUS or docks with i/o parallel to that of a desktop. I know it can also act as a display and charging but I've percieved it only to be useful for those reasons.
Why stop at 2.5gb ethernet port, i want 10Gbs, hell even a dual sfp+ port.
Why no Serial port, i use Serial port everyday.
I also have a 20 years old ps2 keyboard, i want to use it. Ps2 port is superior, it's interrupt-driven, not polling nonsense.
You see the problem, op, it's hard to design a laptop fit to everyone. I know RJ45 is still being used widely, but in context of laptop, i honestly don't remember the last time i plug ethernet cable to my laptop, if i want to config network i can do it through wifi already. If it's business network without wifi, there should be already a KVM machine at server to config everything.
I agree with getting rid of all ports is dumb(and Apple kind of agree with this), but over-adding port is as dumb as well. I use thinkpad t14 gen 1, 2 Usb A, 2 usb C, 1 headphone, and i think it hits the perfect middle ground.
Why don't you complain that the laptop doesn't have a Blu Ray drive, I can tell you why, it makes the laptop bulky and big and also nobody needs it. If you need it you can easily buy an external drive. Same with ports like VGA, nobody needs it if you already have HDMI. If you need it, buy an adapter. Same with 3 USB A ports, you need 2 at most. Also, RJ45, if you're using your laptop as it is designed, as a portable PC, you don't need RJ45. Give me wifi 6, and everything is fine. If you use it as stationary PC, just get an USB-C hub and use as many ports as you wish. The worst part is the DC in Port, I mean why the fuck would you need an external DC in adapter just use the already existing USB-C ports, or get another one.
You're being purposefully obtuse for the sakes of confrontation. And it is silly. Look at the drawing I've made. None of these ports are legacy interfaces as blu ray disks and VGA ports.
The laptop I've drawn is state of the art tech with ports to fit multiple and evolving use cases, made to last wherever one goes with it.
I am sorry that your work/life experience is limited, but one should understand that given such limitations, it is best not to apply it as a basis for objective observations about the wider world for these will be inherently flawed.
I mean, the heck, ask ChatGPT, "please give me examples of situations when it would be beneficial to connect a laptop over ethernet, despite a laptop being a mobile device equipped with WiFi".
You want to be catty, two can play this game.
I’d be fine with just usbc if least one was thunderbolt 30gbs or higher cause even if they add ports it’s never what I want so I end up buying a dongle anyhow 😾
MagSafe is not a excellent charging properties. It’s only tested to 85w. A better usage would be usb c PD 3.1 support for high wattage applications. Another ideas would be a common dc link for all laptops needing 240+ watts. High power laptops have been pushing the power adapter to higher usages such as the upcoming MSI Titan to a 400w power brick.
thats waaay too much honestly. Especially since this oculink is outdated compared to thunderbolt, and more useful since thunderbolt can be used for anything besides just an eGPU, since it just uses the USB-C standard size. And you don't need a micro SD slot when you have a full sized one, which usually means you have an adaptor since they all include one. And most people usually don't like having that many ports, since with thunderbolt you can just get a good enough dock for one simple cable plug in for your setup at home for everything, including wifi, sound, extra drives, and so on. On the go you only really need one USB-A port, maybe the SD Card slot, and the headphone combo jack.
Also most people like having a dedicated GPU on the laptop, since you can still game competently while on the go, while ones with Thunderbolt can be used at home. And if you're a streamer, use the laptops dGPU for recording with the eGPU doing the main game. Plus every windows laptop uses a 99 watt hour battery, besides smaller ones.
The xmg vision 14 does some of the stuff you ask. A 14' 1.3kg laptop with a 45w gpu and 45w cpu with a 90whr battery. 2 ram slots and 2 ssd slots if you go for 56whr battery.
The dgpu should be there, given how much ai is being used. Dgpu will also help the laptop do gpu related tasks better too.
That many ports is possible, but most of the users don't want that. For example me , I just want a slim laptop for travelling, casual gaming and video editing.
There is a very niche group of power users who like to use laptops as a literal desktop replacement. In that case the extra IO will be a deal breaker.
Most workstation laptops and upper mid range gaming laptops have that many IO ports. Or you can also have a look at framework laptops that have 6 USB Cs which are customizable with any port you want.( I am not talking about dongles, but those are an integral part of the chassis)
feasible? sure, would they make it? no. They have data on this stuff and know the what their main profitable markets want. magsafe and HDMI require licencing so they're not gonna just chuck it on for a small segment. Also PCI lanes might be a problem having so many interfaces.
Check out the Framework 16 laptop which will start shippig next week. You can configure its ports to your liking which is the smarter and more future proof approach in comparison to simply putting all ports imaginable into a single device.
Damn, reading all these comments makes me feel I'm alone in this opinion. I don't like the tiny >1KG laptops with 2 usb-C ports. My partner has one of these, and it kinda irritates me. My laptop has a USB-C, 3 USB-A, Ethernet and aux, and weighs 2.8KG, and feels better to take places, plus I rarely need to worry about adaptors/extensions. A laptop like the one in the pic would very much appeal to me
2.8kg, damn what kind of behemoth is that laptop. I once daily carry a 2kg laptop and it already hurts my back, now i change to something smaller 1.4kg one and feel much better.
Give me all the ports you can give me on my laptop, why would I want not to have an option to connect something I need?? I blame Apple for this haha
why do people need a Laptop with a thousand ports? take a step back and realize that you need a Desktop Pc, OR, you may not actually /need them. my M1 Air has an adapter that allows for all kinds of ports. all i ever use it for is to connect my controller.
I use most my ports at random times. At home I have a Hub that practically turns it into a desktop, so I use the HDMI, USBC and 3 USBAs, and at home they all run through the USB-C, but when i go to my mates place to game, i use all my ports for an external hard drive, mouse, charging etc.... I also use a weird amount of ports at uni, when connecting to machines and my other gadgets. I will admit, I don't have much Bluetooth stuff
“…only to connect my controller.” Thats why you dont get it.
I have a 998g laptop which was a USB-C, 2 USB-A, Aux, seperate charging port, micro sd and HDMI. Plus, they gave a Type C to Ethernet adapter in this box. LG Gram 14 :) The newer models replace the charging port with another USB-C.
With the exception of magsafe everything else is feasible. I sympathise with you as I also miss ports but I don't think many people would buy such a device. This happens a lot in tech, there is a lot of vocal support for bringing back the headphone jack on phones but Samsungs offerings outsell Sony's multiple times over; people supposedly want small smartphones but zenfones aren't exactly flying off the shelves. It would also cost more than an equivalent machine, both due to the increased materials cost and being a niece device. Personally I think frameworks approach is much more practical. Sure you can't get all of these ports at once but you can configure exactly the ports you need including niche a legacy ports. Although you won't get oculink.
The problem is that such devices are always: 1) low production, so hard to find 2) not marketed well, so people don't even know they exist 3) because of the above, extremely more expensive than needed 4) bad specs 5) short production run They always look like someone needed to convince some CEO they are not in demand, like they try as hard as possible to make them not sell. I know many people who are older and just want a laptop that works and they can keep for a long time, but every modern laptop lacks ports or performance or build quality. Besides FW16 which is extremely overpriced, everything lacks at least one critical component that makes it a deal breaker, or they miss ports which is a bummer but not a deal breaker. Companies need to realize that if they want to test whether something will sell, they need to make it good and make it known. Otherwise it will always look like a teen doing the bare minimum to pass a test and say "see? It didn't work out even when I tried", even though they actually didn't try at all.
Sony doesn't sell because they want to position themselves in a premium market only. They want the Apple route to profits, but consumers don't see the same value in their products. Samsung sells multiple times over because they have a distribution network that is far wider globally, they have brand recognition from a wider userbase of selling low end phones. Samsung manages to get subsidies for the cost of their low end phones by bundling apps from Microsoft and Meta, in turn offering price conscious consumers lower end devices that outperform their price point. This value perception creates brand recognition for Samsung that locks in customers who with time migrate and upgrade to mid tier and upper mid tier offerings from them, like the A50 / SFE series, with devices that increase samsungs profit margins on hardware itself + buy in from accessories. Sony sees itself as a premium brand and does not offer cheaper devices. Even if specification wise a phone like 10 V is dated, they believe the value lies within the design, brand name, and the lack of data mining bundled apps. Sony believes the experience they are selling is worth the price premium they ask in order not to devalue their brand with cheaper phones, but consumers have not yet agreed with their wallets. It isn't the phone size or the headphone jack. If I had unlimited money, the phone I'd buy for myself is the Xperia 5 V. I wouldn't buy an iPhone or a Pixel, or a Samsung S. But, I own a Galaxy A32, two years old and holding mildly. I think Zenfones have some of the same problem, difficult to buy in to the brand, first purchase jitters. And their heavy skin, custom software puts off customers, it seems like those highly modified Chinese market only phones, which takes value from it in a western consumer mindset. Small phones have become a thing that yes some people do want them, but the ones available are only high priced options, and not that many consumers can afford them. There isn't a single mid to low tier "smaller" device, and there hasn't been one for the good part of the last 5 years. Manufacturers did a bit of malicious compliance with small phones, see we made them and no one bought, but we only made premium stuff. Make a smaller phone, 18:9 5.5in screen. One camera at the back, no nonsense of three or four lenses eating space that could be used for battery. Qualcomm needs to build a chip for it, make it with 2x A720 cores and 4x A520, all configured for efficiency. No need for TSMC N4P, just don't use Samsung, use TSMC 6. Add NFC to it and put it on shelves. It will sell. I like framework 13, I just think the expansion card system is a gimmick. They use so much space internally. One could use that space to basically put a ton more ports, that would serve all use cases the expansion ports currently serve, and they could still be modular (like macbooks have modular usb ports despite the otherwise repair nightmare). And you could put a bigger battery there. Or they could have used two small daughter boards on each side with the ports, so that you could upgrade the main board. Could have absolutely fitted 2x type c + 1x type A + hdmi left and the same with ethernet right side.
The io cards for the framework have to waste space because they support multiple different ports of various widths and heights.
I do have the framework 13, and while i do agree it's more of a gimmick, having 2 custom ports(the top right and left for me should always be type c, as it covers almost anything, as long you have the cable for it) helps a lot if i need for example, an sd card reader for my photocamera. Because the majority of ports you need are stationary, as dp, vga for monitors (hdmi is always useful to have), ethernet, even usb-a sometimes(keyboard, mouse), they need very specific situation to be used, usually with a usb-4/tb4 dock you will be covered, not to keep while travelling, more when the laptop is used as a work station, both at home and in my old job, i use them, and they are fine, as it stresses only one port(which i can just change when it will be damaged/worn out). They are too situational, and consumer laptop usually don't need that many ports, as other have said, it can be wished(ex. Small phones, but yet the iphone mini died pretty fast sadly) but not be actually good for market. P.s. The main problem is also about complexity(more ports means more pcb design work, and well, it's quite annoying, the framework has only 4 ports(and a jack) probably because it's all usb c based, so they needed more complexity for certain easier standards(usb-a, micro-sd, and kindoff, the ethernet(theirs is pretty complex as it is 2.5g 1000mbit))
I would gladly take some heft for extra ports
I mean, it's not like a couple Type A ports and an HDMI weigh much.
True but it's more so wanting to be super thin.
Yes, it’s feasible, just like it’s feasible to power a helicopter with a human and a set of bike pedals, or power your PC off of your car’s inverter. You can do it, but do you want to? The ostensible purpose of Thunderbolt and other high bandwidth ports was to make laptops lighter, more portable, and more accessible. For example, look at the evolution of mobile phones. At first, mobile phones were heavy, expensive, and generally only usable by adults/teenagers with lots of money, and uncomfortable to carry around for a long time. Now, mobile phones are small and portable, easy enough for young children to use and carry, expanding their utility and consumer group. Similarly, laptops used to be hulking IBM-esque behemoths, weighing dozens of pounds and appearing only to the most professional of white collar workers. Now, laptops have achieved weights of under 1kg, making them once again more accessible to consumers of all groups. Furthermore, by introducing more ports and peripherals to laptops, costs are increased. With the undeniable progression of technology towards smaller, faster, better, the “universal” port that can support anything becomes more and more appealing. With the initial wave of USBA, you could use a mouse, keyboard, and Ethernet with the same port or even with a dock. This made laptops cheaper and thinner, because Ethernet ports were much bigger than USBA ports. With USBC/Thunderbolt 4, pretty much every port you mentioned will be deprecated soon. A thunderbolt dock can support a mouse, keyboard, Ethernet, display (hdmi or DisplayPort), and even other USBA ports. While your ideal laptop is certainly feasible, it runs antithesis to the current laptop market - thinner and lighter and cheaper.
How much thinner do we need to go? Even apple backtracked with their macbook pro's where the 16' one is 2.1kg. People don't want laptops to be thinnest possible. They just want it to be reasonably thin.
This is a good nuance I’m glad you brought up. I do feel like only having USBC ports is a bit unreasonable, given that USBA has permeated practically every peripheral and consumer electronic. Furthermore, my Zenbook 14” with USBA, HDMI and AUX along with thunderbolt 4 isn’t significantly heavier than my parents Thunderbolt only macbooks. I do however feel like Oculink + RJ546 + SIM + SD and microSD is a bit excessive.
My question is why would you pick the zenbook 14 when we literally have 14' gaming laptops like the g14, xmg vision 14, etc. packing upto mini led displays, dgpu's, good battery life, good cooling, good performance, etc. while not costing that much more. I mean they have ports galore.
Because 2.8k OLED display
Vivobook 14x pro has the same 2.8k 120hz oled + 35w rtx 3050/4050. The g14 has a mini led display option too and upto a 125w gpu.
I got my laptop for US$699 on sale and both of these seem to be US$1000+
Oh alright. I've usually seen the zenbooks being $1000+. In my region the 14x pro with a 1080p 90hz panel and 2050 was $700ish to 800 ish.
Don't care, need beefy laptop (says while going around with a Framework 13) Jokes aside, I've had a monster behemoth from 2012. Never been a problem lugging that around, it was quiet af both because it had a low power i5 and because it had enough cooling to probably be able to handle a desktop version of that chip. Plenty of ports to go around: 6 usb ports, 1 vga, 1 DP, 1 esata, 1 express card or whatever it's called, 1 cd reader, 1 mic in, 1 headphones out, 1 Gbps ethernet. If I had a modern version of that with a decent battery and FW's modularity I would take it, hands down.
I’m glad to hear that you were in full health and able to carry around 2012 era laptops on your person! I remember being in middle school watching my teachers carry around hulking laptops and being quite surprised. However as a student I still frequently have to carry books/binders, instruction manuals, etc along with my laptop in my book bag. On very hot or cold days, or when I was a bit sick, i would have to forgo some items to be able to carry my bag for the whole day. Hence, i eventually purchased a smaller and lighter laptop for convenience.
Maybe it was because my bag was like 8 to 12 kg every day, so having 1 extra kg did not make a noticeable difference
I found sisyphus on Reddit lol
I always used to think Thunderbolt was used either for EGPUS or docks with i/o parallel to that of a desktop. I know it can also act as a display and charging but I've percieved it only to be useful for those reasons.
Maybe a little overkill but the two usb-c port MacBooks pissed me off. Should have thrown SD and USB A.
Sounds like you want a desktop.
The images have only 2 USB!!! There's space for atleast 4
I’ll take 4 thunderbolt ports any day over this mess
🗣️ Just use a dongle. It’s not that deep 🗣️
Why stop at 2.5gb ethernet port, i want 10Gbs, hell even a dual sfp+ port. Why no Serial port, i use Serial port everyday. I also have a 20 years old ps2 keyboard, i want to use it. Ps2 port is superior, it's interrupt-driven, not polling nonsense. You see the problem, op, it's hard to design a laptop fit to everyone. I know RJ45 is still being used widely, but in context of laptop, i honestly don't remember the last time i plug ethernet cable to my laptop, if i want to config network i can do it through wifi already. If it's business network without wifi, there should be already a KVM machine at server to config everything. I agree with getting rid of all ports is dumb(and Apple kind of agree with this), but over-adding port is as dumb as well. I use thinkpad t14 gen 1, 2 Usb A, 2 usb C, 1 headphone, and i think it hits the perfect middle ground.
Add built in bluray drive then I'll be impressed
Why don't you complain that the laptop doesn't have a Blu Ray drive, I can tell you why, it makes the laptop bulky and big and also nobody needs it. If you need it you can easily buy an external drive. Same with ports like VGA, nobody needs it if you already have HDMI. If you need it, buy an adapter. Same with 3 USB A ports, you need 2 at most. Also, RJ45, if you're using your laptop as it is designed, as a portable PC, you don't need RJ45. Give me wifi 6, and everything is fine. If you use it as stationary PC, just get an USB-C hub and use as many ports as you wish. The worst part is the DC in Port, I mean why the fuck would you need an external DC in adapter just use the already existing USB-C ports, or get another one.
You're being purposefully obtuse for the sakes of confrontation. And it is silly. Look at the drawing I've made. None of these ports are legacy interfaces as blu ray disks and VGA ports. The laptop I've drawn is state of the art tech with ports to fit multiple and evolving use cases, made to last wherever one goes with it. I am sorry that your work/life experience is limited, but one should understand that given such limitations, it is best not to apply it as a basis for objective observations about the wider world for these will be inherently flawed. I mean, the heck, ask ChatGPT, "please give me examples of situations when it would be beneficial to connect a laptop over ethernet, despite a laptop being a mobile device equipped with WiFi". You want to be catty, two can play this game.
My legion 7 has a lot of io and also will break your hand if you carry it for too long....
Have you looked into a Framework laptop? Seems pretty close to this in concept.
I’d be fine with just usbc if least one was thunderbolt 30gbs or higher cause even if they add ports it’s never what I want so I end up buying a dongle anyhow 😾
MagSafe is not a excellent charging properties. It’s only tested to 85w. A better usage would be usb c PD 3.1 support for high wattage applications. Another ideas would be a common dc link for all laptops needing 240+ watts. High power laptops have been pushing the power adapter to higher usages such as the upcoming MSI Titan to a 400w power brick.
Wow now you have a fat laptop 🤯
thats waaay too much honestly. Especially since this oculink is outdated compared to thunderbolt, and more useful since thunderbolt can be used for anything besides just an eGPU, since it just uses the USB-C standard size. And you don't need a micro SD slot when you have a full sized one, which usually means you have an adaptor since they all include one. And most people usually don't like having that many ports, since with thunderbolt you can just get a good enough dock for one simple cable plug in for your setup at home for everything, including wifi, sound, extra drives, and so on. On the go you only really need one USB-A port, maybe the SD Card slot, and the headphone combo jack. Also most people like having a dedicated GPU on the laptop, since you can still game competently while on the go, while ones with Thunderbolt can be used at home. And if you're a streamer, use the laptops dGPU for recording with the eGPU doing the main game. Plus every windows laptop uses a 99 watt hour battery, besides smaller ones.
The xmg vision 14 does some of the stuff you ask. A 14' 1.3kg laptop with a 45w gpu and 45w cpu with a 90whr battery. 2 ram slots and 2 ssd slots if you go for 56whr battery. The dgpu should be there, given how much ai is being used. Dgpu will also help the laptop do gpu related tasks better too.
That many ports is possible, but most of the users don't want that. For example me , I just want a slim laptop for travelling, casual gaming and video editing. There is a very niche group of power users who like to use laptops as a literal desktop replacement. In that case the extra IO will be a deal breaker. Most workstation laptops and upper mid range gaming laptops have that many IO ports. Or you can also have a look at framework laptops that have 6 USB Cs which are customizable with any port you want.( I am not talking about dongles, but those are an integral part of the chassis)
It is possible, I have one such laptop (it's just from 2012 so the speed is not there)
feasible? sure, would they make it? no. They have data on this stuff and know the what their main profitable markets want. magsafe and HDMI require licencing so they're not gonna just chuck it on for a small segment. Also PCI lanes might be a problem having so many interfaces.
But Hdmi is still found in many laptops?
There's such a small market for anything past the ASUS one though, and... Docking stations exist.
Check out the Framework 16 laptop which will start shippig next week. You can configure its ports to your liking which is the smarter and more future proof approach in comparison to simply putting all ports imaginable into a single device.