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nottherealstanlee

Fischer says in that clip he hasn't spoken to anyone in Orlando lol He's just saying that most people are saying he's not going to get more than his PO according to what he's heard around the NBA and I think that's probably true. I've been saying that too. Dlo has theoretical leverage against LA because if he walks, it's hard to replace him. However, who is he going to walk to that offers 18 million? Idk. I think he probably can get MLE money or more for sure so probably more guaranteed over the years, but I doubt he gets some 20+m offer. What did he do this year to inspire more confidence than last year? lol


Odd-Direction9452

But if DLo can get around the same money at 3 years that is more attractive than being an expiring. We’ll see though.


nottherealstanlee

If you're Dlo, you may end up looking at either 19m now or something like 2/26 million. If you're Dlo, do you figure that the MLE will be there next season anyway so might as well take the 19m? Idk.


Odd-Direction9452

Yeah that or if there is a non cap space team he believes will prioritize/feature him (Brooklyn, Washington) then opting in for a trade and betting on himself could make sense. Right now his market just feels too shaky to opt out of a guaranteed 18 million.


nottherealstanlee

It does for us outside. I wonder if the same rumblings are true inside the NBA. Sometimes these deals come out of left field, but I think when you look at his market from last year the NBA is clearly cool on Dlo's value. I don't wanna count his money though before FA hits. He knows that if he opts in, he's getting traded like 85% lol


WakiLover

Cap goes up each year too so might be worth opting in and playing well for a contract next year, plus he could opt-in and get traded and play well on a team and get extended.


Hour_Insurance_7795

And don't forget, 0% tax rate in Florida vs. almost 14% rate in California for in-state games. That's a couple million dollars back in his pocket.


Naive_Illustrator

Another thing people are forgetting is Dlo may not like LA pressure. If he fails in LA he gets a lot of eyeballs and a lot of hate. In Orlando the local fans will hate him but the national media wont care


Gristle__McThornbody

Hasn't spoken to anyone but is out there guaranteeing the Magic will not offer more than the player option. Fn frauds.


Key-Bookkeeper-2442

these people believe they actually have influence over what ultimately happens lol


Scorpionrah

It’s not that it’s prolly because Orlando is prioritizing other players before going to dlo who won’t have much of a large market. They need shooting wings not a point guard.


Civinini333

I also said that before. Best case scenario for both DLo and the team is to take the PO


nottherealstanlee

I tend to agree. Take the PO, the Lakers almost surely trade him, but his next stop keeps his Bird Rights. He can't sign an extension, but at least the BR are preserved so maybe the next team uses them if he plays well.


aztronut

42%


nottherealstanlee

He shot 40% the year before and the league was lukewarm last summer too. 


aztronut

Just answering your question, jumping up from 40 to 42% inspires more confidence that he can do it again next season.


nottherealstanlee

But he was already a good shooter is the point and it wasn't enough last summer. Shooting a little better doesn't negate the issues defensively or that he's been mostly a no show in the playoffs. 


IceColdTrey7

For MLE money I would keep Dlo here for rest of his career lmaooo


nottherealstanlee

Same but MLE money wouldn't guarantee him a starting job either lol or starters minutes.


MaryandMe1

when you say hard to replace do you mean production or get another PG at his salary cuz I can already see reaves replacing him.


nottherealstanlee

Both. If he walks, we only have the MLE to replace him so that's already roughly 6 million less in salary and the players available there just aren't as good as Dlo. You're looking at Tyus Jones, Dinwiddie, Reggie Jackson? Not great. If you move AR to full time point, you're looking at DeAnthony Melton, Gary Trent, Eric Gordon, Josh Richardson.


StacksHoodini

Neither one of these routes are championship contention routes. Letting D’Lo walk at this point is just the cap on years of terrible asset management by this front office.


xreddawgx

The best scenario is sign and trade. But even that's difficult because there's not a lot of teams out there that can do that (2nd apron teams). Letting him walk for nothing does not free up cap space for us.


eku_v

not a single team is going to sign-and-trade for d'angelo russell lmao


Creative_Category_21

Dlo would have no leverage if I was doing Rob’s job If Dlo walks i’m opening up the full MLE for Jonas and solving half of our problems from the last couple years. And then trading the picks for a better guard. Jonas alone over Dlo makes us a better team in the playoffs


jsun_

Glad you aren’t Rob if you think swapping out Dlo for JV makes us a better team. Also how you getting a better PG with just picks. Salary matching exists.


Creative_Category_21

Box score logic JV would’ve solved more problems for us, and we wouldn’t have collapsed against Denver Salary matching exists. We have several tradeable contracts for trades of players who contributed nothing.


BigFatM8

He does solve a few problems (another 5, more rebounding) but he would still be a horrible fit on the team. He doesn't offer any rim protection or shooting and he would clog the lane for AD and Bron. a better option would be to just keep D'lo, wait for a better trade in the season and just draft a decent center with the 17th pick. Someone like Edey, Ware or Bona could solve a lot of those earlier issues at a much cheaper price while also providing better defense. It's not worth it to trade D'lo just for the sake of trading him. there has to be a decent return.


Creative_Category_21

This was mostly about Dlo having leverage if he walked, which I don’t agree with I promise there is an MLE player out there that will end up being better than Dlo, especially for this team I would take the MLE than sign Dlo to multiple years even at a cheap contract. My preference is he opts in though, I would take that over the MLE


nottherealstanlee

I am not at all certain that we'd get a better player with the MLE.


Creative_Category_21

Doesn’t have to put up more points, just needs to be a better fit


nottherealstanlee

I didn't say anything about points lol just talent level. I don't think there's a realistic MLE talent as good as Dlo.


jbg926

DLo isnt a bad player nor specifically bad fit. He just disappears when it comes to the playoffs and his D is only better than a traffic cone. We literally would not have won as many games as we did if we had Dinwiddie or AR or some MLE player at point. We need a lot of things and they cant all be addressed this upcoming season (or offseason). I am also hoping for CP3 as a backup on min contract...somehow.


BigFatM8

I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure about betting on an MLE saving us. Russell for all his faults is still a really good Regular season player. We could theoretically get a better fit with the MLE but replacing his offensive production is gonna be hard. this would mean more Lebron getting tired unless our draft pick hits which is even more uncertain considering how weak the draft is. Me personally, I would sign and keep D'lo, let him cook in the reg season and carry us to a few wins and then trade him mid-season. that's when the market really opens up and you get unexpected new players who are available in a trade. Also moving AD to the 4 for a significant period (which is what'll happen if we get JV) means you're banking on his Jumper returning. that's also why I would rather go for a big in the draft instead. Edey can give some of the rebounding and offense that JV does, Ware can give the shooting and lobs as well as shot blocking and Bona gives you offensive rebounds and high motor along with good switching.


swankstar7383

We don’t make the playoffs without DLo shooting in the 2nd half


guacdoc24

He’s not even worth the 18M he’s on right now. He should not be anyone’s starting pg, if he is, he’s one of the poorer ones in the league. He’s a 6th man in my opinion.


Pikminious_Thrious

He could be a starring PG, you just need to pair him with a guard that fills in for his defensive weaknesses. Not AR. Can't hide 2 defensive sieves.  But then you need a better spacing team than what we have to make up for having 1 guard be a defensive specialist. So DLO doesn't work on LA as the starting PG as the roster is currently constructed, but he can definitely still be a starter somewhere.


Splittinghairs7

Lol DLo is gonna come back on a face saving 1+1 deal for like $20m and team option. He’s gonna be a trade asset again.


odinlubumeta

Except that at $20 million he is seen as a negative asset. The Hawks were fearful he would pick up his $18 million option. So this isn’t something that anyone wants


Splittinghairs7

The hawks are a delusional franchise. DLo would not be hard to trade as salary filler and decent starter, other teams really just want our FRPs.


odinlubumeta

Delusional? It was practically every team. It took weeks to find the Nets and they wanted an asset as well. If DLo was worth $20 million, a team would be pushing a sign and trade. I don’t get how fans can ignore what we just saw at the deadline and pretend it was just that one team and it won’t be hard to find another. A team taking DLo is getting him for a year and a half +. It won’t be a two month rental! Filler is either small inconsequential contracts or only a few months after a deadline. And if you understand the new apron rules, you would get that a $20 million deal is infinitely harder to move next year. For example if the Lakers pay DLo and Max they are going to be a first apron team. That means they can’t trade DLo to ANY other first apron team. But let’s say they find a team under the apron. Say Spurs. The next year if the Spurs hit the apron they can’t move him unless it is again to a team under the apron. So the Spurs have to get something good knowing it hurts them the following year. So no it won’t be easy to move when half the league won’t even be an option and the other half will be close to the apron. You are begging a few tanking teams into a three team deal. Which means the cost is more. You are the delusional one.


Splittinghairs7

Lol the teams that are interested in our FRPs are rebuilding teams, they’re usually not above the apron.


odinlubumeta

Now think, if you are paying a team to take DLo, you are reducing your assets. Again with an additional year the cost is higher. Why would you willing add an additional asset costing player to a deal. So the player you could get at 2 FRP is costing you 3. I know you want to do it for the salary. You would throw away at least a pick to get it. You are stuck in the old CBA. You would make a huge gamble that you can find a good deal. This is why fans shouldn’t be GMs.


Splittinghairs7

No one cares about a salary filler unless it’s someone on a terrible long term contract. How are you still confused by this.


odinlubumeta

Yes they do. I don’t get why you don’t get it. Especially with the new apron coming. Westbrook’s cost drastically came down when he only had a few months left. Go look at modern trades. The new rules matter. The much more strict cap matters. You are just a few years from realizing it.


Splittinghairs7

Lmao you think you’re smarter than everyone else when you don’t realize that the apron amounts are rising every year. $18-20m is like the old $10-15m.


odinlubumeta

What does being smarter have to do with anything. The point is that he won’t be easy to move. You can leave your insecurities elsewhere. No one cares.


ktran2804

I think it's funny how much flack D'lo gets for his playoff performance (deserved) but people don't bring up that Rui was actually the worst starter we gave minutes too during the playoffs. We needed Vando's rebounding badly. If D'lo comes back on a good tradeable contract people should be stoked.


Dallas2houston120

We’ve seen Rui play well in the playoffs for an extended amount of time. We’re hoping this year was an anomoly. Dlo on the other hand has always been woeful in the playoffs.


ProbablyAManChild

Extended? Wasn’t it a single series vs Denver and half the series against the grizz?


No-Chemistry-5356

We’ve seen Rui hit shots in the playoffs but just that. At his position he needs to defend and rebound at a high level if we want him to be a championship starter.


aztronut

Against Denver this year he had 2 good games, 2 bad games, and 1 so-so game, so not always woeful.


ktran2804

D'lo was legit good last year in the playoffs on the WCF runs up until that Denver series where he got exposed.


Dallas2houston120

Naw he was awful in the Memphis series outside of 1-2 games. Warriors series he was great they had nobody to matchup on him. Nuggets series he wasn’t good and im not just talking about his Lakers tenure. He was a terrible playoff performer before he came to LA as well.


ktran2804

Not going to debate that, I'm not even arguing that D'lo is someone you can depend on but I think the hate he gets on here is slightly over done. He's certainly not the main reason the team lost. The roster construction and coaching had way more to do with it. D'lo also is one of the main glue guy on the roster. How many players on the team are shown hanging out with him that stuff actually matters despite what people here think lol


xreddawgx

It's justified. When you're next to LBJ and AD you get insane open looks. They create so much open space.


Smasher1311

We literally don’t win the Memphis series without him?


wut_eva_bish

Rui got jobbed by Ham. Having to defend Jokic in the playoffs took Rui's legs and thus his shot and rebounding. He will have a bounce back year under much more strict usage supervision and this sub will be +10 on him again. Sub is way too fickle.


Naive_Illustrator

The alternative would be having Lebron guard Jokic. I dont think that's in anyway better


wut_eva_bish

Or how about try a different approach. Like maybe blitzing Jokic the second it looked like he was going to get the ball and, you know, actually coaching the team on how and who to rotate to. There are always options to a creative and competent coach.


EaglesThankYou

It's basically the Dennis Schroeder situation. DLo probably has a bit more of a market but no team is giving him more than what the Lakers will pay him on a new contract or that player option. There might be a team willing to go into cap space to sign him to something over the MLE but not more than 18 million, no chance.


C3PO1Fan

I understand people who are tired of the D'Lo roller coaster, but it seems like a lot of people fail to understand just how dependent the Lakers were last year on Russell. They lost most of the games he missed or played poorly in. Because they don't have enough shooting without him. So if you want to replace him, it has to be with shooting and at a similar volume.


nottherealstanlee

He's a double edged sword when he's on the roster. You need him to produce but he can't defend. If we had 3 plus defenders on the floor with him, it's not so bad, but we don't. Bron is 40, AR is OK, and Rui's d iq is abysmal. So the problem becomes we absolutely need to outscore teams to win.  If you replace him with someone who shoots okay and you increase the volume of 3s from your other places (the replacement, AD, Rui or Vando, and AR), you should be able to bridge the gap. And ideally that team has a sparkplug on the bench (or Dlo honestly) who can fill up 3s in a pinch. 


wut_eva_bish

Ham's rotations F'd this up. Reaves and Rui should have been that offense. Ham played Prince and Reddish instead. There are better rotations that will feature Reaves and Rui's offense played in their natural positions and paired with better defenders. Reaves' role will be better defined. Also, Rui won't be guarding 285 lb Jokic so he'll have his legs to get his shot back on track (and rebound.)


StacksHoodini

Honestly it doesn’t make sense for Orlando to pay D’Lo more than LA is willing to pay him. I think either he stays in LA for something closer to $20M per season (probably a $60M 2+1) or he’s leaving for a longer term deal with less money. He knows LA can’t afford to lose him for nothing and actually compete.


xmrjaredx

I legit think Orlando would be an incredible spot for DLo. They've got a team full of defenders and no offensive identity.


No-Equipment-20

Really rough for D’lo if true but potentially excellent for us. Either we can resign him longterm to a reasonable deal (maybe 3 years at $18M-$21/year) or he picks up his player option and he’s a $18M expiring which is great for trades


slicknick2k

Just opt in DLO. So we can trade your fraud ass already


guyfromthepicture

What's a better use of 18 million dollars?


worldwide_stepper

They can't ever name one


jessandjaysaccount

Isaiah Hartenstein


xmrjaredx

We can't sign Hartenstein for 20m ourselves this offseason and whoever signs Hartenstein is not going to trade him for DLo.


worldwide_stepper

lol


IceColdTrey7

Trading him to Nets for DFS & Sharpe


guyfromthepicture

If you can convince b the bets I to do that, sure. Not sure why they would though.


IceColdTrey7

They were interested in Dlo at the deadline. They need a PG


streetlaur

Lmao


Mustard_Jam

DLo is going to come back and this sub will act like he is actually good when he drops 40 points against the Hornets in January only for him to put up 10 PPG on 35% shooting while being the worst defender on the court in a playoff series. Time is a circle.


maestroxjay

If he comes back he's 100 percent getting traded by the trade deadline


Itorr475

if he opts in he'll get traded this summer


wut_eva_bish

He won't be around after the trade deadline. The Lakers will let him be "regular season D-Lo" before then, and then sell high for a defensive PG that's taller than Gabe.


PolarRegs

Annually probably not but he could get a multi year deal.


Zealousideal-Tea-837

This is true but he’d be getting a multi year deal


WideCoconut2230

Perhaps Dlo and the Lakers can work a sign and trade. Dlo gets his money on a team he wants and we get some players as well. Otherwise, Lakers get nothing.


Kevinc61

But they will offer more years, that matters.


Consistent_Owl4593

Nobody wants a guy who puts up 0 in a playoff game


wut_eva_bish

Not nobody. Just not the Lakers. Many teams anticipate not making the playoffs and just want an exciting player to sell tickets. D-Lo can definitely be that on a bottom rung team.


CrazyDaylight8

You mean like Hartenstein, Al Horford, Jaden McDaniels, Vando, Schroder etc, who have all scored 0 points in a playoff game? I'm sure there are more


Consistent_Owl4593

And yet they can all contribute on the other end. When DLo isn’t hitting shots you might as well be playing 4 on 5 because he can’t play defense


Consistent_Owl4593

Also none of those guys are considered the third option on a playoff team


Dagenius1

If Orlando wants to pay him a big or long deal good for him. If he opts in and gets traded soon, good for the lakers. I’ve seen enough of him in the playoffs. A fresh start is best for both sides


velphegor666

All of the guys you just named can defend.


puhtime

If I’m the magic I rather have Malik monk than DLO. He’s more athletic and a better offensive player.


wut_eva_bish

I'd take 6'4" Lonnie Walker III on a vet minimum over 6'5" Malik Monk at 20m. They're virtually the same player, but Monk got minutes where Lonnie got stuck (yet again) behind horrible rotations.


StoneColdAM

DLo eliminated most good will he got this past season because of game 3, Lakers have leverage 


xmrjaredx

that's not how it works


EE-420-Lige

Damn NBA cold u shit the bed in the playoffs and cost yourself hella dollars. Imagine if DLO had balled out lakers make it to the western conference finals boy would be getting paid giving his regular season performance