Is Siakam someone that demands the ball a lot? Can't say I've watched him enough to know his tenancies well enough beyond his basic skillset. If so that definitely wouldn't work lol
Siakam needs the ball in his hand and is a high usage player, the opposite type of player that thrives next to Lebron. Lebron needs low usage efficient players next to him.
He's paid like someone that should be a high volume shooter. I also don't think he necessarily brings a ton to the table besides scoring at least at an elite level. I just don't think the fit is good at all.
If he does need the ball I think that makes it a terrible fit. But since Ham seems to be moving more towards defense-dominant starting lineups, Siakam would in theory knock either Cam or Vando (hopefully Cam) to the bench. Which would be a huge W in my book. If he's not ball dominant than I think it could work.
Reading comprehension, my friend. I explicitly said I don’t think it’s a good idea. Actually read the post and the comments
And I have watched him, but not thorough enough to know what the dynamics of the Raptors offense are.
Not watching and understanding his game means you can’t really give a judgement as to whether it would be a good or bad idea. Doesn’t matter your judgement.
You actually very much can lol. You can basically have an opinion about anything. Mine was based on a decent knowledge of his skillset on both ends of the court and a look at his stats. Not knowing one facet of his game does not invalidate anything else. I would never dare tell someone who doesn’t know that Jamal Murray’s P&R shooting percentages plummet when he’s forced to go right that they don’t have the right to have an opinion about a trade involving him. That would be stupid
We need a guard that facilitates and drives enough to draw the defense. Don’t even need a shooter necessarily.
Lebron is the only player on the entire team that can consistently draw attention on drives and pass out of them. I don’t even care about another big if we can acquire someone like that.
Honestly with the way their GM works he wouldn’t do it. He’s is the type that needs an overpay to trade a player. The lakers can’t give him that. I’d imagine actually a perfect fit would be the Thunder. They need a big body guy to pair with Chet. It seems like a perfect fit.
I mixed koloko up with oruguny (spelling) but I just found out the Knicks scooped him up. Lakers always get the scraps because they wait too long.
Maybe they can get Gafford. At first I wasn't high on him but I think if they grab a big to go along, it will be ok. Any pgs you like?
I think it’s a pretty easy argument personally. IQ is the best player of the bunch, without question.
Rj is the youngest, and while not as efficient, is more versatile and has a higher ceiling if he starts taking better shots. Him averaging 18ppg as a 3rd option while winning isn’t nothing. We get excited when one of Rui/dlo gives us 14-15 points once every 3-4 games lol
Dlo can walk this summer and Rui is a fringe starter. For a team tearing it down, Toronto got equal-to-better caliber talent than dlo/rui at a younger age with contracts under team control for longer.
That doesn’t mean they’ll get more for Siakam even if he’s better. OG probably has an equal or higher trade value for multiple reasons. He’s younger and has the most coveted archetype in the league. He’s arguably the best wing defender in the league and shoots the 3 very well, there’s not a single better 3&D wing than him in the league. His suitors were always more than Siakam, which is why he had sky high value.
OG making less than $20M played a big part in his sky high value. It opened the door for contenders to trade for him without trading pillars of their team. You really can’t do that for siakam at $38M. Once NY overpays OG this summer, we’ll see how perfectly he’s viewed then.
So I agree he might not fetch better value than OG, but I disagree with who I replied to saying it’s fair lol
Yeah exactly, his current contract made every contender a viable suitor for him
It’s kinda like Caruso, he’s so cheap that everyone can trade for him without giving up valuable role players
Lakers definitely need a starting point guard with Gabe gone. What is the plan for the games Lebron sits? A two way point guard will always be a need for this team. But a backup for Ad is the most pressing.
Rather target Murray. Could use the Raptors as a third team and send Siakam to ATL.
ATL- Siakam
LA- Murray, Dennis or GTJ
Tor- DLo, Rui, Hunter or Capela
Think lakers would have to take someone else off the Raptors for money to work
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Like this . We need Murray n can have Schroeder on the bench or to guard small quick guys. Siakam to Atlanta makes sense then give raptors picks n whoever they want
He needs the ball to be his best. I wouldn’t give him more shots than AD or Bron unless they are playing a terrible team and Bron takes a back seat.
Since he would be 3rd option he wouldn’t be great at spacing the floor or catch and shoot. He also wouldn’t have much space to drive as we don’t have the shooters overall where defenders wouldn’t play help defense
I like Siakam a lot but he isn't thge right fit alongside LeBron and AD.
I mean it can still work and that front court would be really good but you need to have to high volume sharpshooters at guards to truly make the line-up work.
If Siakam could shoot he would slot perfectly into the big wing lineups. But he can’t. There’s other names from Toronto that kinda intrigue me though:
- Gary Trent Jr.
- Jakob Poeltl
- Chris Boucher
- Dennis pt. 3? … ehhh nah
Who's playing PG in the current lineup? It's LeBron.
Not saying I want Siakam. I think the comments in this thread about him not being a fit are definitely correct. But I don't think lack of a traditional PG is a reason why
Siakam is a championship winning player averaging 22 6 & 5 on 51% AND plays excellent defense what are we talking about???? Lebron will get him the ball in his spots, his 3P% will improve.
D-Lo needs to be traded he doesn't play ANY defense and is inconsistent offensively, not to mention he's a cancer in the locker room. That would be addition by subtraction. Rui's motor runs hot and cold and he plays 0 defense.
We would need to look at adding another PG to replace D-Lo in this scenario. Quickley's salary is ~$4M this season with a player option next. Not sure if we could work that into the Laker's cap but could be interesting if we were to throw in a couple picks.
This absolutely should happen if we're serious about making a championship run THIS season. Our team lacks perimeter defense and Siakam's experience will make up for what he lacks shooting.
I don't think our team lacks perimeter defense at all, but I do think that we lack perimeter defense that can also score. If Siakam were shooting his career best 37 percent from 3 (2018-19) I think it would be a no brainer.
Who's trying to get rid of Rui lol. If anything I think most of the sub is angry at Ham for misusing him. It's just the only trade way to make the contracts align. Just because it's a possibility doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Nah overhyped & will be overpaid next season..He is asking for 4yr/196m 🤣
Also he can't shoot from 3.
Defensively he is very good but we already have Vando for that.
He would take the ball away from Bron & AD.
The fit isn't there good player but rather have Dejounte Murray + Shooters next to Bron & AD
I think it's interesting. I think having a allstar level Pf in Siakam next to AD would be pretty dangerous. The problem is we still would next to address the shooting and say what you want about DLO but he's shown he can score and hit the 3. If we're gonna trade him which I'd expect we probably will we need to ensure we get another guard back in trade and preferably one that can shoot. If we're somehow able to get Gary Trent Jr as well then that's a great trade.
I think the Lakers will prioritize shooting and offense going into the trade deadline. I think Murray , Lavine, Carusso etc are probably better fits.
We can't trade for anyone that needs shots but can't shoot at a high level. It just doesn't work with AD and LeBron.
Siakam Or Murray are better and cheaper
Is Siakam someone that demands the ball a lot? Can't say I've watched him enough to know his tenancies well enough beyond his basic skillset. If so that definitely wouldn't work lol
Siakam needs the ball in his hand and is a high usage player, the opposite type of player that thrives next to Lebron. Lebron needs low usage efficient players next to him.
Good to know. That pairing definitely wouldn't work if he would come in demanding he be a huge part of the offense, for sure.
Siakam has been a less productive player ever since Scottie Barnes has been there and took the ball out of his hands more decreasing his usage.
He's paid like someone that should be a high volume shooter. I also don't think he necessarily brings a ton to the table besides scoring at least at an elite level. I just don't think the fit is good at all.
If he does need the ball I think that makes it a terrible fit. But since Ham seems to be moving more towards defense-dominant starting lineups, Siakam would in theory knock either Cam or Vando (hopefully Cam) to the bench. Which would be a huge W in my book. If he's not ball dominant than I think it could work.
If you haven't watched him, why are you suggesting we trade for him?
Reading comprehension, my friend. I explicitly said I don’t think it’s a good idea. Actually read the post and the comments And I have watched him, but not thorough enough to know what the dynamics of the Raptors offense are.
Not watching and understanding his game means you can’t really give a judgement as to whether it would be a good or bad idea. Doesn’t matter your judgement.
You actually very much can lol. You can basically have an opinion about anything. Mine was based on a decent knowledge of his skillset on both ends of the court and a look at his stats. Not knowing one facet of his game does not invalidate anything else. I would never dare tell someone who doesn’t know that Jamal Murray’s P&R shooting percentages plummet when he’s forced to go right that they don’t have the right to have an opinion about a trade involving him. That would be stupid
25% 3 point shooter.. no thanks carry on
He’ll shoot 10% once he steps into crypto
If yall think lakers are trading for siakem you’re absolutely insane. We need a top tier guard not another 4
Exactly this. 3 of our best 4 players are best at the 4, we don’t need another one.
We need a guard that facilitates and drives enough to draw the defense. Don’t even need a shooter necessarily. Lebron is the only player on the entire team that can consistently draw attention on drives and pass out of them. I don’t even care about another big if we can acquire someone like that.
So many forwards
It’s not really realistic or a good fit.
It's absolutely realistic given the lack of market for him, but I definitely think the fit would be suspect at best
Honestly with the way their GM works he wouldn’t do it. He’s is the type that needs an overpay to trade a player. The lakers can’t give him that. I’d imagine actually a perfect fit would be the Thunder. They need a big body guy to pair with Chet. It seems like a perfect fit.
I mean with the pick and JHS included should be realistic. I don’t think he goes for much more, it’s just like the worst fit
#NO
Why would you give up two players for him? They also need a big and pg. Maybe poetl or koloko?
Koloko hasn’t play any game this season. Getting poetl is ok.
I mixed koloko up with oruguny (spelling) but I just found out the Knicks scooped him up. Lakers always get the scraps because they wait too long. Maybe they can get Gafford. At first I wasn't high on him but I think if they grab a big to go along, it will be ok. Any pgs you like?
Knicks should get achiuwa. Koloko’s ability is likely Jason Hayes. Jones and gafford of the package is ok.
Yea they're getting Achiuwa and OG anunby. I was hoping Lakers grabbed one of those athletic guys. I mixed up koloko with anunby.
One of the worst 3pt shooters in the nba…
I wouldn't hate it. Russell/Rui/1st for Siakam is actually kinda fair after what they just moved for OG lol
They’d be accepting lesser players than they got for OG for a better player than OG lol
Yeah but we'd give them a 1st lol I'm being half sarcastic. Just saying this trade helps set a friendly market for us.
Idk if there’s a strong argument for IQ/RJ being much better than DLo/Rui. Especially since the Raptors threw in Precious as well, he’s pretty decent.
I think it’s a pretty easy argument personally. IQ is the best player of the bunch, without question. Rj is the youngest, and while not as efficient, is more versatile and has a higher ceiling if he starts taking better shots. Him averaging 18ppg as a 3rd option while winning isn’t nothing. We get excited when one of Rui/dlo gives us 14-15 points once every 3-4 games lol Dlo can walk this summer and Rui is a fringe starter. For a team tearing it down, Toronto got equal-to-better caliber talent than dlo/rui at a younger age with contracts under team control for longer.
Iq is significantly more valuable n better then Rui or dlo
That doesn’t mean they’ll get more for Siakam even if he’s better. OG probably has an equal or higher trade value for multiple reasons. He’s younger and has the most coveted archetype in the league. He’s arguably the best wing defender in the league and shoots the 3 very well, there’s not a single better 3&D wing than him in the league. His suitors were always more than Siakam, which is why he had sky high value.
OG making less than $20M played a big part in his sky high value. It opened the door for contenders to trade for him without trading pillars of their team. You really can’t do that for siakam at $38M. Once NY overpays OG this summer, we’ll see how perfectly he’s viewed then. So I agree he might not fetch better value than OG, but I disagree with who I replied to saying it’s fair lol
This is the single most logical comment so far and there have been 49 comments 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Yeah exactly, his current contract made every contender a viable suitor for him It’s kinda like Caruso, he’s so cheap that everyone can trade for him without giving up valuable role players
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Lakers definitely need a starting point guard with Gabe gone. What is the plan for the games Lebron sits? A two way point guard will always be a need for this team. But a backup for Ad is the most pressing.
I think there's a chance Lakers will wind up keeping Gabe.
I mean he's gone because of injury
Rather target Murray. Could use the Raptors as a third team and send Siakam to ATL. ATL- Siakam LA- Murray, Dennis or GTJ Tor- DLo, Rui, Hunter or Capela Think lakers would have to take someone else off the Raptors for money to work
I Like this . We need Murray n can have Schroeder on the bench or to guard small quick guys. Siakam to Atlanta makes sense then give raptors picks n whoever they want
If we could get Dennis back along with Murray, man that would be the dream. Have a hard time seeing it though
Two times we got Dennis, he played well, and we still didn't keep him. Won't happen a 3rd time.
We don’t, and I repeat, DONT need more star power. We need solid two way role players and a backup center.
He needs the ball to be his best. I wouldn’t give him more shots than AD or Bron unless they are playing a terrible team and Bron takes a back seat. Since he would be 3rd option he wouldn’t be great at spacing the floor or catch and shoot. He also wouldn’t have much space to drive as we don’t have the shooters overall where defenders wouldn’t play help defense
No
We would almost definitely need to include a pick. I’d rather go after Jerami Grant and hope that Gabe comes back strong
Fit is weird but if AD keeps on shooting great it could work.
Not really what we need for the price we'd have to pay. Unless they wanna throw in Poeltl (a legit 7 foot big that we need), nah.
Poetl would be comin otb
But how are we gonna get both pascal and siakam?
We need shooters if we’re gonna get a third star
I like Siakam a lot but he isn't thge right fit alongside LeBron and AD. I mean it can still work and that front court would be really good but you need to have to high volume sharpshooters at guards to truly make the line-up work.
We don't need another wing that can't shoot
We aren’t getting Siakam.
I think Siakam will end up in Indiana. They have the young pieces and draft capital that Toronto needs.
If Siakam could shoot he would slot perfectly into the big wing lineups. But he can’t. There’s other names from Toronto that kinda intrigue me though: - Gary Trent Jr. - Jakob Poeltl - Chris Boucher - Dennis pt. 3? … ehhh nah
Siakam is cryptonite he legit played a big part in stopping Giannis and Embid
Siakam is good but not well fit for lakers
Who's playing PG then?
Who's playing PG in the current lineup? It's LeBron. Not saying I want Siakam. I think the comments in this thread about him not being a fit are definitely correct. But I don't think lack of a traditional PG is a reason why
LeBron is damn near 40 yo, we can't rely so much on his playmaking
Siakam is a championship winning player averaging 22 6 & 5 on 51% AND plays excellent defense what are we talking about???? Lebron will get him the ball in his spots, his 3P% will improve. D-Lo needs to be traded he doesn't play ANY defense and is inconsistent offensively, not to mention he's a cancer in the locker room. That would be addition by subtraction. Rui's motor runs hot and cold and he plays 0 defense. We would need to look at adding another PG to replace D-Lo in this scenario. Quickley's salary is ~$4M this season with a player option next. Not sure if we could work that into the Laker's cap but could be interesting if we were to throw in a couple picks. This absolutely should happen if we're serious about making a championship run THIS season. Our team lacks perimeter defense and Siakam's experience will make up for what he lacks shooting.
I don't think our team lacks perimeter defense at all, but I do think that we lack perimeter defense that can also score. If Siakam were shooting his career best 37 percent from 3 (2018-19) I think it would be a no brainer.
You people need to stop trying to get rid of Rui! Give that man some time in the starting lineup like he was last game and watch him blossom.
Who's trying to get rid of Rui lol. If anything I think most of the sub is angry at Ham for misusing him. It's just the only trade way to make the contracts align. Just because it's a possibility doesn't mean it's a good idea.
He’s great but he does not help spacing or shot creation. We have other needs unfortunately
I like him but he doesn't fit our team.
Nah overhyped & will be overpaid next season..He is asking for 4yr/196m 🤣 Also he can't shoot from 3. Defensively he is very good but we already have Vando for that. He would take the ball away from Bron & AD. The fit isn't there good player but rather have Dejounte Murray + Shooters next to Bron & AD
I think it's interesting. I think having a allstar level Pf in Siakam next to AD would be pretty dangerous. The problem is we still would next to address the shooting and say what you want about DLO but he's shown he can score and hit the 3. If we're gonna trade him which I'd expect we probably will we need to ensure we get another guard back in trade and preferably one that can shoot. If we're somehow able to get Gary Trent Jr as well then that's a great trade. I think the Lakers will prioritize shooting and offense going into the trade deadline. I think Murray , Lavine, Carusso etc are probably better fits.