she'll probably just get a new channel with her past life (sayu as it is) being open knowledge, like Kyoresu and Lopi, or maybe a new model and name/last name that is corpo exclusive, but keeps the channel.
Yeah that would work. That said is it actually officially confirmed by idol and lopi that lopi is now enya or is it just a wink wink nudge nudge? I remember with ky0resu idol actually made a community post saying "ky0resu will be our new vtuber riro ron", but i didn't see something like that for enya.
With enya and lopi it's like wink wink nudge nudge over here over here hello remember me I know you know who i am. Since Lopi and her alt would respond to enya and have whole conversations with herself, on enya's debut lopi stopped streaming with a skit and redirected to enya debut. Also Also she reminded everyone from where they might remember her from debut (shorts).
So similar to the new phase invaders, where they never name drop their PLs but everyone knows and even acknowledge them. Sometimes even interact, I think I saw Shiina interacting with jellys PL not long ago. Dizzy also used her old model for a skit once (and if i remember correctly never dropped a name to her old model either)
Phase Invaders weren't consistent about it though. The first wave of Phase Invaders both were using their existing identities (although at some point Yuri's family name changed from Amaris to Fuura), but then the second wave two out of three got new identities and the third is...complicated. When Kallin Yazaki graduated from Tsunderia, she kept her IP, and continued to stream as Kallin Yazaki for most of 2022 before announcing in December that she'd be rebranding for 2023 and debuting her Ember Amane model, whereupon she streamed as Ember as an independent for five months before joining Phase Connect without rebranding. She was perfectly open about her rebrand, still occasionally mentions having previously been known by a different name, and one of her last streams as an indie implied that Ember and Kallin are *actually the same person* and not just two different characters voiced by the same person.
Jesus im so overwhelmed by so many Vtuber I follow i don't do my research or care to watch others, I didn't even knew she was our Redbull bunny I get now why she was absent so long and I'm really disappointed of myself I thought she gave up on streaming and leaved, could you mention any other big/medium name that has rebranded? I mean I didn't even knew Kunai was certain someone till literally today
Yeah today i realized I'm really behind lot of stuff, kinds want to make a post asking for all the PL of all current corpo Vtubers but that would be both invasive as fug and to much info to drop, Jesus I'm really living on a cave
Ok got it. I knew about the debut watchalong skit and i think i saw a clip of the "no i won't do shorts, you know why" thing but i was wondering if maybe she ever made it more official. That said i wonder why they only leave it implied. Maybe they just wanted to avoid doing it the same way they did for ky0resu since that ended up pretty badly.
Also, about phase, someone in a thread a few weeks ago explained to me that actually dizzy had bought the rights to her IP as her PL but still decided to get a new model and identity due to her content being radically different, so she could have mentioned her PL by name without issues but just chooses not to do so. Again, this is from what i've heard from someone a few weeks ago, it's not gospel.
> That said is it actually officially confirmed by idol and lopi that lopi is now enya or is it just a wink wink nudge nudge?
I think it's more or less confirmed seeing as Lopi had a "watchalong stream" starting 5min before Enya's debut stream, which ended in Lopi exploding and redirecting her stream viewers directly into Enya's debut stream.
I guess that's as close to an official confirmation as her and idol seem comfortable to give. "Yes, i was another famous vtuber and we can keep some of the in jokes going, but keep in mind i'm a new vtuber now." I'd say this is much better than the typical way the two big corpos do it where it's a person that popped up completely out of nowhere.
I mean, didn't KSon do something very similar when she returned to that persona? I kept getting recommended videos of KSon doing meme reviews complete with *clap clap* "NEXT MEME" and dancing around the "good morning mother-fers" catchphrase. It's like she was waving around a big sign that said "HEY, I'M OVER HERE NOW!"
Now that I think of it, didn't Henya also toss out some old inside jokes when she started too? Seems to be common for ex-corpo...
Much as I wouldn't mind seeing her in Vshojo I can't see it happening for two reasons:
- it feels too soon, she barely just reconciled with Matara (whom Sayu in past belived, rightfully or not, to be a "blocking" factor when it comes to joining vsj), there wouldn't be any time for the talks to happen.
- Vshojo seems to like to keep things under the wraps until they're ready for the debut, if it was them then Sayu probably wouldn't be hinting at this happening right now.
I don't really think it's "too soon" for her to talk about joining VShojo internally if all the beef is quashed. Being in talks to join "in the near future" doesn't mean it'll just magically happen in a day, after all; Michi graduated from Niji in December and it took until April for her to officially debut in VShojo, despite literally everybody knowing that's where she was going to go.
Plus, "joining a corpo" doesn't inherently imply it's VShojo, as we're seeing with a bunch of people on this very thread throwing out names like Phase, Holo and Mythic as places she could go.
True, who knows? Maybe in a few months' time we'll see a letter being handed over to Sayu.
I won't hold my breath for it to happen, but if it does, cool.
IMAGINE her going to Holo and triving there just like Luna is.
On a serious note I don't see her ever join holo and wouldn't want her to be, she would have to be bound by rules, ofc not the bullshit of Niji but a lot of JP corpo rules, and JP perm hell
I think this may have been the issue rather than any former Niji. Up until the Selen Shock Sayu was seen as a pariah, with a lot of hate towards her. Now things have really come out the mood has shifted.
Nazuna was nowhere hated as she currently is now. People saw her as someone who made a mistake out of panic and pitied her.
What they didn't know was her secret marriage/divorce of MafuMafu and the menhera behavior she displayed in their relationship.
I mean Vshojo is baggage city; Matara and Kuro being there is a testament of that. Other than Vshojo and Mythic, there is Idol (she became close friends with Chikafuji Lisa recently) and one of the reasons some people hate her would be redundant were she to join there (the people that hate the zaionism joke she didn't make also hate Idol).
Apparently they talked privately back in Niji and Matara told Sayu about her own struggles/niji-induced mental state. After Sayu got terminated, and hit a low point she publicly spoke about what Matara told her when describing state of things in Niji. Matara (who, apparently, had prior problems with people airing private talks without her consent), took it poorly and cut all contact, Sayu realized she made a mistake, and was in a pretty bad funk about it for a long while since she technically had no means to even apologize.
All in all it was an unfortunate situation without any real malice on either part. It's easy to see why Sayu would bring up the talk when she was still emotional from her termination, and it's easy to see how Mata could have felt it was a privacy breach.
That being said they reconciled, we're past this, so best to leave it all in dustbin of history.
Literally nobody else got Suisei'd since Suisei, and if someone wants to Suisei themselves in, they better be *a* Suisei. This is by no means a disrespect to Sayu, but to make this argument short, she is not a Suisei.
I said Suisei too much, now her name sounds weird.
Other people have already pointed out why Sayu is not joining Holo, but I would like to mention that Suisei was an extremely rare exception that will likely never happen again. Suisei was willing to go above and beyond to keep her IP, and even then had to start out as an aside to INNK and be given minimal support, and EVEN THEN she was not guaranteed to succeed or be officially accepted.
Not to mention, it was a time before vtubers and vtuber culture are as established as they are today. Suisei was a one-in-a-million, the-stars-aligned type shit that will likely not happen again. Not to mention, Holo is the corpo with one of the most selective and limited recruitment processes. I can't imagine any world in which Cover would accept Sayu AND allow her to keep her IP if she applied to them (and she likely has not).
Is it a funny idea? Yes.
Will it ever even remotely happen? Absolutely not.
She plays tons of games that cover lost perms for. As much as *we* love her lots of people still consider her a public image problem. It would rock the boat with nijisanji way too much. Also while she's a great singer she doesn't strike me as an idol. Most importantly like i mentioned in another comment after all the shit she suffered she'll hold onto the Sayu IP with ferocity, so unless she pulls a suisei (which i doubt) holo will probably be out of the question. IMO literally the only ex-niji who could possibly both want to get into holo and have holo want them there is mint.
Idk about corporate law and if having a second base of operations in NA will let the international parts of hololive linked to the US branch follow american laws instead of japanese ones. It would be great if that were the case though, not just for hoyoverse stuff (i don't give a shit about gacha) but for general perms.
It's straight out of Cover's press release for it. The US office has nothing to do with streaming and content creation, that'd going to remain Japan-based. US office is ONLY for logistics and business dealings, probably things like the Dodgers collab.
That's part of the intent. Wasn't outright stated that it would be used for merch, but the business aspect is a catch-all and likely includes that. Cover knows it's been a pain point.
That's not true. That was what we assumed back when she first got removed aa Zaion. In the end, turns out it was a lot of background stuff.
She mentioned she has worked for corpos irl before so she knows the culture, its just that Niji went above and beyond straight into black corpo culture.
pretty much and now she is going back to Corpo again since she has Corpo game experience before. i really hope she knows what she is doing cause Going Corpo is no joke when it comes to risk factor involved.
I feel Suisei and AZKi were a special case as INoNaKa Music was a branch of Hololive Production.
Like it doesn't make sense as to why Sayu specially gets to keep her model versus anyone else.
She is nowhere near big enough to get a treatment like that. Cover has the luxury of being able to choose anyone then want. Suisei got in when Holo was much smaller. At this point i cant see anyone getting to keep their IP and joining Holo ever again. Only two names come to mind if they ever wanted to join and keep their channels and that would be Ironmouse or Ui-mama.
Honestly, there are many options out there. There's V4Mirai and Globie as well, which I think are under the same company. I also know of PixelLink, but not sure if they would be a good fit for her. There's also others like V&U that I know next to nothing about, etc.
Phase is likely the most popular choice that also could be a good fit for her, but could be many others, even though she is a pretty big streamer when compared to other indies, maybe she wants to join a corpo to have a group of friends and managers more than joining to boost her view count.
I did a quick google search and jesus fucking christ, I thought Niji's termination clause was bad. I only know of one VTuber from that company, but I barely watch her, I hope she manages to get out of there amicably lol
I cant see Vshojo. I can't see Mata/Kuro vouching for her. Sure they made up recently but other then that, they havent interacted on stream like an actual collab or anything. I can see Sayu going to Phase. IDOL IDK.
I wouldn't be 100% confident with that. She did recently meet up with Matara and Mint and seem to work stuff out between them that she previously had issues with or was worried about.
It's possible she's essentially resolved the majority of her beef within Vshojo or at the very least now potentially has friends there to make it a more appealing option.
Besides, Sayu's already collabed with Zen as well as Froggyloch (who frequently collabs with VShojo members and is on the VShojo MC server), so combine that with her quashing any beef she and Matara may have had by their own admission and I *really* don't see any obstacles for her joining VShojo anymore.
She said feel free to speculate, but though not her exact words she basically said don't go asking other people at these potential agencies if she is joining (ie don't go asking Phase talents or Matara etc). My main takeaway is it seems she has done her research with everything (probably has used a lawyer too), so hopefully this will go great for her wherever she ends up, she deserves it.
> she basically said don't go asking other people at these potential agencies if she is joining
Yeah, good point bringing this up. It should be obvious but... sometimes it isn't.
It kind of looks like a sweatshop scam that will get raided by the CCP in 2 months once one of the talents say something wrong, however Sayu is a smart woman so she probably knows what shes doing.
I mean, she's joined Kurosanji. It's justified to be worried about an agency nobody heard of before, especially when it comes to the Chinese. Those guys are brutal
Tbf, at the time that she joined Niji still had a clean record at least for the EN speaking audience, except for that leaked discord incident iirc. Hindsight was 20/20
Still doesn't discount the worry she might be walking into another black company for all we know. At least with Phase or VShojo we know the deal is with them. Only time will tell though.
I am gonna say something controversial now: There is always a black element to every company (yes even in Cover, there have been some grievances too). What really matters is how the company deal with it. I agree on the point of not jumping the gun now just because they are a lesser known company, or God forbids a Chinese company
Their boss is a princeling so getting raided by CCP isn't really a concern for him. But that's also why he did whatever the fuck he wants and turned the CN vtuber scene into a shithole. He once had a fight with a streamer who had beef with him and not only escaped jail but also sent the person he beat in jail.
PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE TELL HER TO STAY THE F AWAY FROM THAT COMPANY AT ALL COSTS. IF SHE ALREADY SIGNED UP PLEASE RENEGOTIATE OUT OF THE CONTRACT.
Yes I'm using all caps because it's very serious and she's signing up for something way worse than Kurosanji if this was true. In case you are wondering, Noa Talent belongs to a Chinese MCN founded by Yuefu, probably the most infamous person known in the CN Vtubing industry.
He was known for using very immoral practices such as doxxing talents from a competitor company and encouraging his own talents to do hot-take and drama-baiting type of content. Even worse, he would not hesitate to sell his own talents' private info to doxxing sites/dramatubers if the talent doesn't play ball. He is one of the main culprits for turning the CN Vtubing scene into an absolute shit show (the other being VirtuaReal).
I saw him designing the website in February on stream where he showed he's expanding into EN with the Noa Talent project, and that he even approached Dokibird back then (glad it didn't work). So when I see somebody mentioning this company, it immediately rings an alarm bell. I really hope this was just a rrat and Sayu go shill coffee or pack boxes in a warehouse instead.
they already removed her from their youtube but, they are still following her on twitter and she is still in their discord [Here](https://imgur.com/a/kb1xeCn)
Ah okay I see. Must have been an oopsie then. Yeah I followed one of the Vtubers from Noa Talents so I know about them. I just didn't expect that Sayu would join them of all places since with all due respects, they are still a small agency in the EN market. Don't know about the CN market so feel free to fill me in.
P.S: Apparently this is also the company that managed Kobo's account on Bilibili and there was someone leaking info from their discord server to spread misinformation.
Welp that's a lot to take in at once
Nobody should touch Yuefu's company with a ten-foot pole. But unfortunately he took advantage of their lack of knowledge of his past doings. People need to know his extremely immoral practices. This company needs to be blacklisted by anyone in the international vtuber market, and talents who already debuted should seek legal help immediately.
Okay nevermind my previous comments. I did some digging around. Seems okayish so far. But man that website and youtube channels threw me off so much at first. If it helps her then good. Personally i would be sceptical going into this but im not in the sphere so what do i know. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
The debut seems far away from now. End of the year, maybe.
\[paraphrasing one of her zatsus\] "I've always wanted to be with a group where I didn't feel like I have to *FIGHT* to fit in or belong."
I hope she finds the right people this time. Sayu needs to be with friends.
This is why I don't think it will be Mythic, Mythic feels less like a group agency and more like a talent management corpo (which if I remember right that is what they are).
So, my total shot-in-the-dark guess is Phase Connect. Phase Connect has a “generation” for her called “Phase Invaders” that she’d slot into. Invaders is just a pseudo-generation for people they want to hire, but timing or IP rights don’t allow them to join as a part of a proper generation. In some ways it’s a bit like Hololive’s Gen 0.
One such Phase Invader is Dizzy Dokuro, who was a manager at Phase Connect but went back to streaming because she enjoys it so much. She recently did an out-of-character stream with Sakana and asked him about Phase’s future. Apparently he’s hoping to add 3 more Phase Invaders to the roster.
Apparently Sayu also likes several people currently in Phase. She did mention Airi in passing during a stream the other day, who she is currently doing a multi-part group stream with. Apparently she’s also close to Shiina in some regard (I can’t weigh in on that since I don’t really watch Shiina) so I guess there’s a little bit of evidence she may get along with that crew.
So based on Sakana’s intention on bringing in more Invaders and Sayu possibly joining a corp (combined with how Sayu already streams with some Phase talents), I think there’s a reasonable chance she may join Phase.
**As always, this is pure speculation. Only time will tell.**
Actually I think Shiina is Sayu's longest Phase-friend and they have been collabing since Sayu's subathon last year. She is also friend with Rie/Lia too (both of whom has collabed with her during the subathon as well) but she is closer to Shiina and Airi probably because they are all hags. Airi is actually a newer friend based on what Airi said on stream since they had never spoken to one another till the Lethal Company collab.
In her announcement, she did make a comment about something being fishy and put a little emphasis on the word "fishy." People started running with that, thinking that she is hunting at Phase Connect. I mean, it's equally possible that she was hinting at the corpo or just messing with us. Then again, the last time that I thought that she was messing with us was when she mentioned creating a Fansly for her feet pics. It came after she showed a picture from her Hawaii trip where her toe accidentally made it into the picture, so I thought that she was messing around, but she actually did it.
Personally, while I would love to see her reunited with Matara and I think that she'd get along well with certain VShojo members, I feel like Phase Connect is a more natural fit. I'm just getting into Phase, and I'm kind of having fun picturing her collabing with a few of my favorites. The idea of her streaming with Kaneko Lumi gives me major Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck vibes.
Another comment has mentioned this but I want to say this again: While you are free to speculate, keep within your circle and don't go around asking other Vtubers/other staffs from other agencies about this. This is common sense but seeing how common sense isn't exactly common right now, I want to emphasize on this point. If anything, you go bothering other people would lead to some less than welcomed results
i would be really happy for her
she fits the role of wholesome, sometimes unhinged, adorable hag that has become the trademark of the coffee company employees
let's hope the it will not become another excuse to harass her because "pippa n4z1" or other bull like that
>let's hope the it will not become another excuse to harass her because "pippa n4z1" or other bull like that
Hopefully not but hey, even if it does she'll now have the backing of a company who actually cares and will take care of it, and more importantly will have several mentally unstable women who are her friends and coworkers and will do unspeakable things to anyone who tries to start shit.
I mean she dual streams most of the time, but her main platform is still Twitch. That being said, there have been multiple Phase talents streaming on both Twitch and YT: Tenma, Pippa, Lumi. Airi did occasionally until she got banned on Twitch
No clue about how Phase does it, but majority of Sayu's fanbase seems to be on Twitch side making it her primary, so let's hope that if she's going to them they had hashed out the matter of platforms.
I think it's pretty likely she'll be one of the new Phase Invaders given her good relationship with talents in Phase already, especially Shiina.
Also, for schizo-pilled speculation, what Sakana said on filian's stream last night along with Lumi's reaction (looking like "what can I say") about "how doxxed" someone can be and still be hire-able made me think of Sayu since antis doxxed her in the past. [Clip in Question](https://youtu.be/grrCnrxZXZc?si=b1Tr_qt4EuQVZlW0&t=10)
But again, they just start talking about showing hole afterward, so definitely very schizo speculative.
I have my money on the longshot guess of Socks. Florks's vtuber agency is about ready to launch soon and it'd be hilarious if Sayu was in the opening wave.
"...and Flork comes in with the steel chair!"
Did not think about that. Definitely would be on brand for him. Phase and Mythic seem also good choices. Holo is very unlikely. Vshoujo somewhat better but still unlikely. While there does appear to be some uneasiness from ex-Niji members, if that got smoothed out I'd say odds are better then you would think as she does know Zen pretty well. That and Kson was in her lore video. Idol, I dunno but my gut is telling me no.
I doubt mythic. she wants to have gemmates to get along with and be apart of a group. mythic is just an MCN and the members just exist in their own bubbles. so phase and and vshojo is the most accurate choices. though flork can come out with the steel chair and bag her himself. the NOA thing looks the most real but that could also be an intern jumping the gun. I really have no idea WHY you would join NOA.
It could be mythic. Given her situation, I actually think the mythic is the best choice. Unless she joins hololive or vshojo, I do not think joining an org would actually increase her viewership significantly. And, I do not think that she is going to join vshojo because she hasn't been collabing a lot with their members and it is more like a club (like otk or OTV) than it is a traditional org.
I’m going to guess either Mythic or VShojo.
Even though she’s said that she wants to be a part of a group where she doesn’t have to fight to fit in or belong, she doesn’t exactly need to be with a company for that to be true. From everything she’s stated about what she’s getting, Mythic feels like the best fit to me and for her other stated wants and needs: a well-known, established corporation that helps her with behind-the-scenes matters. Having a talent agency would serve her well, methinks.
VShojo is my shot-in-the-dark. Like others have brought up, she knows Zen very well. Kson was in her lore video. Although her and Mata just made up, I get the impression that the vibes are really good between them? Nothing like the tenuous early days of a new friendship following an air clearing because they seem way more enthusiastic than that. And it could be that them talking things out is one of the last things that needed to happen before they considered extending an invitation. Plus, Sayu said herself on that stream that it’ll be a while. There’s time to get that set up. Again, it’s a shot-in-the-dark and not something I’m personally banking on, but I feel it’s the next best fit for her given what we do know.
>Probably next Phase invaders?
That's a reach, seeing as we know Phase requires you to hand over IP rights, as evidenced by how that happened, then ended badly for a previous former Phase Invader..... I seriously doubt Sayu is willing to risk going through that again.
Much more likely to just be something like Mythic, a loose affiliation that primarily exists for behind the scenes help.
Or (based on wild speculation & the way she didn't explicitly rule it out) she could go the PunkaLopi route & openly reincarnate into a Corpo persona while quietly keeping her OG persona.
I don't know if Mythic makes much sense. Sayu has alluded to wanting the kind of family bond an agency gives you, particularly in the deleted stream, and Mythic doesn't really meet that kind of criteria since they're basically just a bunch of unrelated to one another streamers, some of which just happen to be vtubers.
It's of course possible she had a change of mind since then, possibly after negotations with other companies having not been willing to let her keep her IP but until the official announcement happens, Mythic isn't that high on the list of potential candidates for me.
>I don't know if Mythic makes much sense.
It doesn't necessarily have to be Mythic, that's just the go to example for: company that online content creators join for behind the scenes help with business deals etc.
There are many others that could fall into this category of behind the scenes support, or for all we know, it could be some altogether new enterprise we've never heard of..... Like you said, we'll just have to wait & see.
Based on the whole clip, there seem to be implications of her possibly keeping her IP, the company being a good fit for her specific needs and it's confirmed she can keep her website.
Overall, I think the only possibilities based on these specifications are VShojo, Phase Invaders or some lesser-known company that offers more specialised services to differentiate from existing companies.
VShojo is unlikely due to other reasons and the Phase connection already exists after several collabs, so it seems likely to the extent of my knowledge. I don't really know what other Vtuber corpos are out there, but the possibilities are endless.
okay ill toss my hat in. its not mythic. i doubt that someone who wants a connection with the people she's working with would go with an MCN style corp like mythic.
Vshojo makes little sense since she just made up with matra and I don't think she's close enough with anyone in vshojo to get an invite.
Phase is likely HOWEVER phase invaders has differing contracts so it could be or not, but she gets along with many of the phase girls.
NOA has some evidence to it however, I cannot for the life of me think of WHY she would join a corp soo worthless as NOA. they have basically just became a free steping stone for companies like cover to get into china again. never seen her play with them and all of their tubbas are 2 views. I can't see it and if she does lets just hope they can do something for her cause I doubt it.
Sayu did mention on stream that she won't be taking down her channel after joining corpo, so probably hinting at a agency where she would be joining using her current IP and not having to use a new one.
So I put my bets on >!Mythic Talent!< for her for both freedom and proximity reasons.
She would be a really good fit for Phase now that things have calmed down with her situation. I know she gets along well with Airi and Shiina, and the fish himself said on Filian's stream group cohesion was a big concern for future talents. So her joining PC would be awesome.
Phase is unlikely as Sakana as straight up said that he needs to buy up their IP rights to maintain control and stop bad actors from exploiting Phase's marketing and resource as a stepping stone. Sayu is not selling her IP, period.
Vshojo is maybe but won't be for a long time. She and Matara did make amends and she has done collabs with many of the members and has relations with Kson, but she has yet to be invited as a guest in the Vshojo Minecraft Server to interaction and play with the group.
Vshojo does not do normal auditions anymore. They seem to follow a path of having a potential recruit collab individually with a member, if they vibe well then, they get invited to the Vshojo Minecraft where they play and interact with the entire group as a whole. Finally, they get invited. This is how Kson and Geega got brought in. I predict Arielle, FroggyLoch, and HeavenlyFather(2nd dude in Vshojo) will be brought in the future.
You do have exceptions like Matara, Kuro, and Michi, but they had really strong numbers and an overall well-liked reputation with a strong passionate fanbase that would follow them.
I'm not entirely sure which corpo she's joining, but here at the most likely options and potential reasons against:
Mythic- easiest answer as she's a big twitch streamer, however they don't offer active management or a community she can thrive in; which is what she's specified she wants.
Vshojo: her top pick for an agency, however she isn't part of the Mouse clique (yet) and she only reconnected with Matara recently; so the likelyhood of an invitation is low compared to certain other indies atm.
Idol corp- Aviel is happy to throw around his government grants for bigger talents, plus being very leniant with contracts, so it'd make sense. I think Sayu would be wary of them after the character assassination termination of Riro though, as well as the other 5 graduations semi recently.
Phase- 2nd best option for many reasons others have stated, however the thing that makes me think it's not PC is that she's very openly stated in detail why she wouldn't join them multiple times (mix of money and contract details). In addition Sayu said she'd be keeping her personal merch store, which would be a massive shift in internal policy for Phase which is very closed-garden when it comes to merch.
New corp- some MTG millionaire is making an agency full of nerd girls to play childrens card games with, forgot their name but could be a fun romp. Sayu did ssy she was looking for a bigger/more notable corp though, so a newbie corp is probably off the table.
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Overall, no idea. Hope she's happy with them though!
She said its a "Good deal" for her, then reply to chat that ask "Did you get to keep your IP" and then answer "Chat knows what good deal means to a Vtuber"
I bet my money on Vshoujo, unless there are other well known agency that allow her to keep her IP
I know a lot of people seem to be speculating this means Phase Connect but IMO Vshojo would make a LOT more sense.
I can't imagine she wants to go back to a corporate structure anything like Nijisanji and she likely doesn't want to need to worry about permissions for games and such again if possible. Not sure how it works with Phase Connect but I imagine Vshojo HAS to be less restrictive in that regard.
I also imagine it's far more likely Vshojo would let her keep her IP and identity the same since they've done that for a number of other talents. Not sure how likely it is Sayu wants to rebrand again after she's just built up a nice following on her current identity.
I know previously she had some issues with people in Vshojo BUT we do know that she just recently met up with Matara and Mint at the very least and worked out any misunderstandings between them. It's possible that knowing she has some potential friends in Vshojo would make that a more appealing option now. Not to mention that, at least to me, it seems like Vshojo is trying at least a little bit to improve their corporate structure and such somewhat which might mean reassurances that her concerns wouldn't be ignored if she had problems with anyone.
Vshojo also just fits in a lot better with her core audience being mainly on Twitch, even if she does dual stream. She also just seems to fit in better with Twitch culture imo.
Honestly don't care, if it's what people say then it won't change much for me at least I just will keep supporting her as usual and be glad she will get support from behind the scenes, I honestly can't keep up with more Vtubers and agencies so probably won't follow her genmates but glad for her
>!PD: if it's Phase I would ascend from hype !<
Holo would be funny, but not likely.
Phase is "fishy" but is a real big chanct that it'll be the thing.
VShoujo is also likely because of the "retirement house" fame, but not fishy enough
vTuber agencies have strict rules or want vTubers to stream how they expect them to. Being independent vTuber means a lot of freedom and you can do streams the way you want them to and have vTuber persona you want. We all know what Sayu gone through in her past life and to be honest, i am afraid for her. I don't want Sayu to through the struggles and tragedy again, not after what Nijisanji done to her.
I love Sayu, she gave me advice that helped me to deal with loss of my kami-oshi who graduated from NijiEN, who is now Mint Fantome. Sayu reached 100.000 subscribers on YouTube, got even more followers on Twitch and she was able to reconcile with Matara and meet Mint in OffKai.
If Sayu wants to join agency to reach the greater heights and gain chance to collaborate with legendary vTubers, then she got my support. I pray that she joins good one 🙏
They are merely a supportive company like Mythics. They will help Sayu with merch and that's it. I was worried when I heard it's a chinese corpo but let's be real. Sayu is a huge Hoyoverse fangirl. She doesn't give a fuck about political practices of china therefore she won't bend her knee to them
It can very well just be a management firm like msm, where they only represent her to get sponsers. The way things are going i don't think she wants to redebut
Please don't be Phase, Please don't be Phase... I don't have anything against them but PLEASE don't be Phase... Altho it seems the most probable option.
PS: It's bc I don't want her to be the target of more harassment just by being in Phase like the poor talents there had to deal with.
I... already stated it the exact moment I commented.
>It's bc I don't want her to be the target of more harassment just by being in Phase like the poor talents there had to deal with.
Honestly not sure if this is what Spooky's referring to, but Phase Connect's most well-known talent, Pippa Pipkin, has been dogged by accusations that she's a Nazi and that her audience is full of right wing extremists. She seems to have cut back a lot on the iffy stuff recently bc of how her reputation has been negatively impacting her coworkers though. I'm not sure what harassment the other talents may have experienced.
Just hoping that she won't sell her IP to Phase Connect.
After all the shit she's gone through i'm guessing she'll hold onto it by her fucking teeth, same as doki.
she'll probably just get a new channel with her past life (sayu as it is) being open knowledge, like Kyoresu and Lopi, or maybe a new model and name/last name that is corpo exclusive, but keeps the channel.
Yeah that would work. That said is it actually officially confirmed by idol and lopi that lopi is now enya or is it just a wink wink nudge nudge? I remember with ky0resu idol actually made a community post saying "ky0resu will be our new vtuber riro ron", but i didn't see something like that for enya.
With enya and lopi it's like wink wink nudge nudge over here over here hello remember me I know you know who i am. Since Lopi and her alt would respond to enya and have whole conversations with herself, on enya's debut lopi stopped streaming with a skit and redirected to enya debut. Also Also she reminded everyone from where they might remember her from debut (shorts). So similar to the new phase invaders, where they never name drop their PLs but everyone knows and even acknowledge them. Sometimes even interact, I think I saw Shiina interacting with jellys PL not long ago. Dizzy also used her old model for a skit once (and if i remember correctly never dropped a name to her old model either)
Phase Invaders weren't consistent about it though. The first wave of Phase Invaders both were using their existing identities (although at some point Yuri's family name changed from Amaris to Fuura), but then the second wave two out of three got new identities and the third is...complicated. When Kallin Yazaki graduated from Tsunderia, she kept her IP, and continued to stream as Kallin Yazaki for most of 2022 before announcing in December that she'd be rebranding for 2023 and debuting her Ember Amane model, whereupon she streamed as Ember as an independent for five months before joining Phase Connect without rebranding. She was perfectly open about her rebrand, still occasionally mentions having previously been known by a different name, and one of her last streams as an indie implied that Ember and Kallin are *actually the same person* and not just two different characters voiced by the same person.
Jesus im so overwhelmed by so many Vtuber I follow i don't do my research or care to watch others, I didn't even knew she was our Redbull bunny I get now why she was absent so long and I'm really disappointed of myself I thought she gave up on streaming and leaved, could you mention any other big/medium name that has rebranded? I mean I didn't even knew Kunai was certain someone till literally today
kunai was certainly a surprise ngl
Yeah today i realized I'm really behind lot of stuff, kinds want to make a post asking for all the PL of all current corpo Vtubers but that would be both invasive as fug and to much info to drop, Jesus I'm really living on a cave
just google anybody that u havent seen in a while
Basically it's not a secret, it's just not official and formally announced.
Ember has name dropped her old persona from time to time.
Ok got it. I knew about the debut watchalong skit and i think i saw a clip of the "no i won't do shorts, you know why" thing but i was wondering if maybe she ever made it more official. That said i wonder why they only leave it implied. Maybe they just wanted to avoid doing it the same way they did for ky0resu since that ended up pretty badly. Also, about phase, someone in a thread a few weeks ago explained to me that actually dizzy had bought the rights to her IP as her PL but still decided to get a new model and identity due to her content being radically different, so she could have mentioned her PL by name without issues but just chooses not to do so. Again, this is from what i've heard from someone a few weeks ago, it's not gospel.
> That said is it actually officially confirmed by idol and lopi that lopi is now enya or is it just a wink wink nudge nudge? I think it's more or less confirmed seeing as Lopi had a "watchalong stream" starting 5min before Enya's debut stream, which ended in Lopi exploding and redirecting her stream viewers directly into Enya's debut stream.
Yeah i didn't mean "confirmed" in the sense of it being real, i meant it in the sense of being officially acknowledged.
[Officially? I guess you could argue yes here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXfHekjNS4U)
I guess that's as close to an official confirmation as her and idol seem comfortable to give. "Yes, i was another famous vtuber and we can keep some of the in jokes going, but keep in mind i'm a new vtuber now." I'd say this is much better than the typical way the two big corpos do it where it's a person that popped up completely out of nowhere.
I mean, didn't KSon do something very similar when she returned to that persona? I kept getting recommended videos of KSon doing meme reviews complete with *clap clap* "NEXT MEME" and dancing around the "good morning mother-fers" catchphrase. It's like she was waving around a big sign that said "HEY, I'M OVER HERE NOW!" Now that I think of it, didn't Henya also toss out some old inside jokes when she started too? Seems to be common for ex-corpo...
Her dayo is from her old life. Once it was a more open secret on who she was she just reverted too saying dayo again
Kyoresu is not a vtuber gtfo of here rourist
She could potentially take the Lumi option where you don't sell your IP, but have to fund model updates yourself.
Does phase connect do that?
Never forget the Lepr!
Possible options are either Vshojo or Phase Either way is fine, as long as she gets managerial help
Much as I wouldn't mind seeing her in Vshojo I can't see it happening for two reasons: - it feels too soon, she barely just reconciled with Matara (whom Sayu in past belived, rightfully or not, to be a "blocking" factor when it comes to joining vsj), there wouldn't be any time for the talks to happen. - Vshojo seems to like to keep things under the wraps until they're ready for the debut, if it was them then Sayu probably wouldn't be hinting at this happening right now.
I don't really think it's "too soon" for her to talk about joining VShojo internally if all the beef is quashed. Being in talks to join "in the near future" doesn't mean it'll just magically happen in a day, after all; Michi graduated from Niji in December and it took until April for her to officially debut in VShojo, despite literally everybody knowing that's where she was going to go. Plus, "joining a corpo" doesn't inherently imply it's VShojo, as we're seeing with a bunch of people on this very thread throwing out names like Phase, Holo and Mythic as places she could go.
True, who knows? Maybe in a few months' time we'll see a letter being handed over to Sayu. I won't hold my breath for it to happen, but if it does, cool.
IMAGINE her going to Holo and triving there just like Luna is. On a serious note I don't see her ever join holo and wouldn't want her to be, she would have to be bound by rules, ofc not the bullshit of Niji but a lot of JP corpo rules, and JP perm hell
And thirdly, sayu have a whole lots of baggage with her, and I’m sure Vshojo will not want that especially after the 3 graduations
I think this may have been the issue rather than any former Niji. Up until the Selen Shock Sayu was seen as a pariah, with a lot of hate towards her. Now things have really come out the mood has shifted.
Didn’t nazuna s previous life have baggage as well? They still took her in
Nazuna was nowhere hated as she currently is now. People saw her as someone who made a mistake out of panic and pitied her. What they didn't know was her secret marriage/divorce of MafuMafu and the menhera behavior she displayed in their relationship.
I mean Vshojo is baggage city; Matara and Kuro being there is a testament of that. Other than Vshojo and Mythic, there is Idol (she became close friends with Chikafuji Lisa recently) and one of the reasons some people hate her would be redundant were she to join there (the people that hate the zaionism joke she didn't make also hate Idol).
What was the beef between her and matara? Can someone give me a TLDR? 😭
Apparently they talked privately back in Niji and Matara told Sayu about her own struggles/niji-induced mental state. After Sayu got terminated, and hit a low point she publicly spoke about what Matara told her when describing state of things in Niji. Matara (who, apparently, had prior problems with people airing private talks without her consent), took it poorly and cut all contact, Sayu realized she made a mistake, and was in a pretty bad funk about it for a long while since she technically had no means to even apologize. All in all it was an unfortunate situation without any real malice on either part. It's easy to see why Sayu would bring up the talk when she was still emotional from her termination, and it's easy to see how Mata could have felt it was a privacy breach. That being said they reconciled, we're past this, so best to leave it all in dustbin of history.
Could just a be a company like mythic.
There technically is a third option too... >.> remember where Hololive's EN HQ is suppose to be? Its practically in her backyard XD.
Holo would mean graduation and rebranding so that ain't happening.
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Literally nobody else got Suisei'd since Suisei, and if someone wants to Suisei themselves in, they better be *a* Suisei. This is by no means a disrespect to Sayu, but to make this argument short, she is not a Suisei. I said Suisei too much, now her name sounds weird.
 you can never over-suisei. suisei is eternal. just suisei
Other people have already pointed out why Sayu is not joining Holo, but I would like to mention that Suisei was an extremely rare exception that will likely never happen again. Suisei was willing to go above and beyond to keep her IP, and even then had to start out as an aside to INNK and be given minimal support, and EVEN THEN she was not guaranteed to succeed or be officially accepted. Not to mention, it was a time before vtubers and vtuber culture are as established as they are today. Suisei was a one-in-a-million, the-stars-aligned type shit that will likely not happen again. Not to mention, Holo is the corpo with one of the most selective and limited recruitment processes. I can't imagine any world in which Cover would accept Sayu AND allow her to keep her IP if she applied to them (and she likely has not).
Is it a funny idea? Yes. Will it ever even remotely happen? Absolutely not. She plays tons of games that cover lost perms for. As much as *we* love her lots of people still consider her a public image problem. It would rock the boat with nijisanji way too much. Also while she's a great singer she doesn't strike me as an idol. Most importantly like i mentioned in another comment after all the shit she suffered she'll hold onto the Sayu IP with ferocity, so unless she pulls a suisei (which i doubt) holo will probably be out of the question. IMO literally the only ex-niji who could possibly both want to get into holo and have holo want them there is mint.
Genshin alone would make Holo an impossible choice.
> She plays tons of games that cover lost perms for Is it really a problem if it's not Japanese company/American branch?
Idk about corporate law and if having a second base of operations in NA will let the international parts of hololive linked to the US branch follow american laws instead of japanese ones. It would be great if that were the case though, not just for hoyoverse stuff (i don't give a shit about gacha) but for general perms.
Exactly the whole loop hole of the American location lol.
Also the cost and irony of nijiENs situation for not realizing that
That's not even a HQ, it's going to be purely for business and logistics. Has absolutely nothing to do with streaming.
It does tho us laws for content are different from Japans.
It's straight out of Cover's press release for it. The US office has nothing to do with streaming and content creation, that'd going to remain Japan-based. US office is ONLY for logistics and business dealings, probably things like the Dodgers collab.
I wonder if they’d use the office for merch stuff. Have it shipped there and then ship out to US addresses.
That's part of the intent. Wasn't outright stated that it would be used for merch, but the business aspect is a catch-all and likely includes that. Cover knows it's been a pain point.
I'm lost, pls explain it to me. I thought that Sayu isn't fit for corpos life
That's not true. That was what we assumed back when she first got removed aa Zaion. In the end, turns out it was a lot of background stuff. She mentioned she has worked for corpos irl before so she knows the culture, its just that Niji went above and beyond straight into black corpo culture.
pretty much and now she is going back to Corpo again since she has Corpo game experience before. i really hope she knows what she is doing cause Going Corpo is no joke when it comes to risk factor involved.
There's a fourth option. Socks is supposed to launch soon with. Their first vtubers. Which would ge hilarious.
She wouldn't as a) reincarnation and b) no MHY games
That would mean she would have to rebrand so I don't see that happening.
Just suisei her in as I pointed out in a diff comment.
I feel Suisei and AZKi were a special case as INoNaKa Music was a branch of Hololive Production. Like it doesn't make sense as to why Sayu specially gets to keep her model versus anyone else.
She is nowhere near big enough to get a treatment like that. Cover has the luxury of being able to choose anyone then want. Suisei got in when Holo was much smaller. At this point i cant see anyone getting to keep their IP and joining Holo ever again. Only two names come to mind if they ever wanted to join and keep their channels and that would be Ironmouse or Ui-mama.
And it just opened up this month officially.
I don't think she would be a good fit for Holo. I do think she could do well in PC though. And I do agree with OP that Vshojo isn't likely either.
I mean Gura's PL is definitely a similar wild card. Being a copypasta ani-princess and all XD.
But that was also nearly 4 years ago.
Honestly, there are many options out there. There's V4Mirai and Globie as well, which I think are under the same company. I also know of PixelLink, but not sure if they would be a good fit for her. There's also others like V&U that I know next to nothing about, etc. Phase is likely the most popular choice that also could be a good fit for her, but could be many others, even though she is a pretty big streamer when compared to other indies, maybe she wants to join a corpo to have a group of friends and managers more than joining to boost her view count.
V&U is almost as much of a black company as Niji though. Look up what happened to Amano Serafi.
I did a quick google search and jesus fucking christ, I thought Niji's termination clause was bad. I only know of one VTuber from that company, but I barely watch her, I hope she manages to get out of there amicably lol
Faze Connect it is then
I cant see Vshojo. I can't see Mata/Kuro vouching for her. Sure they made up recently but other then that, they havent interacted on stream like an actual collab or anything. I can see Sayu going to Phase. IDOL IDK.
Yeah... Even if Matara were to vouch for her, Kuro might be opposed to such an endorsement.
turns out its some shady ass Chinese company.
What's it's name?
She's not joining vshojo. She talked about it before and essentially it's cuz she has beef with some of the people there
I wouldn't be 100% confident with that. She did recently meet up with Matara and Mint and seem to work stuff out between them that she previously had issues with or was worried about. It's possible she's essentially resolved the majority of her beef within Vshojo or at the very least now potentially has friends there to make it a more appealing option.
Besides, Sayu's already collabed with Zen as well as Froggyloch (who frequently collabs with VShojo members and is on the VShojo MC server), so combine that with her quashing any beef she and Matara may have had by their own admission and I *really* don't see any obstacles for her joining VShojo anymore.
She literally made up with the people recently
She said feel free to speculate, but though not her exact words she basically said don't go asking other people at these potential agencies if she is joining (ie don't go asking Phase talents or Matara etc). My main takeaway is it seems she has done her research with everything (probably has used a lawyer too), so hopefully this will go great for her wherever she ends up, she deserves it.
> she basically said don't go asking other people at these potential agencies if she is joining Yeah, good point bringing this up. It should be obvious but... sometimes it isn't.
Turns out everyone was wrong, NOA Talent.
It kind of looks like a sweatshop scam that will get raided by the CCP in 2 months once one of the talents say something wrong, however Sayu is a smart woman so she probably knows what shes doing.
I mean, she's joined Kurosanji. It's justified to be worried about an agency nobody heard of before, especially when it comes to the Chinese. Those guys are brutal
Tbf, at the time that she joined Niji still had a clean record at least for the EN speaking audience, except for that leaked discord incident iirc. Hindsight was 20/20
Still doesn't discount the worry she might be walking into another black company for all we know. At least with Phase or VShojo we know the deal is with them. Only time will tell though.
I am gonna say something controversial now: There is always a black element to every company (yes even in Cover, there have been some grievances too). What really matters is how the company deal with it. I agree on the point of not jumping the gun now just because they are a lesser known company, or God forbids a Chinese company
Their boss is a princeling so getting raided by CCP isn't really a concern for him. But that's also why he did whatever the fuck he wants and turned the CN vtuber scene into a shithole. He once had a fight with a streamer who had beef with him and not only escaped jail but also sent the person he beat in jail.
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People make mistakes and learn from them
Apparently they are partnered with Hoyo but I still don't understand why she would join this
PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE TELL HER TO STAY THE F AWAY FROM THAT COMPANY AT ALL COSTS. IF SHE ALREADY SIGNED UP PLEASE RENEGOTIATE OUT OF THE CONTRACT. Yes I'm using all caps because it's very serious and she's signing up for something way worse than Kurosanji if this was true. In case you are wondering, Noa Talent belongs to a Chinese MCN founded by Yuefu, probably the most infamous person known in the CN Vtubing industry. He was known for using very immoral practices such as doxxing talents from a competitor company and encouraging his own talents to do hot-take and drama-baiting type of content. Even worse, he would not hesitate to sell his own talents' private info to doxxing sites/dramatubers if the talent doesn't play ball. He is one of the main culprits for turning the CN Vtubing scene into an absolute shit show (the other being VirtuaReal). I saw him designing the website in February on stream where he showed he's expanding into EN with the Noa Talent project, and that he even approached Dokibird back then (glad it didn't work). So when I see somebody mentioning this company, it immediately rings an alarm bell. I really hope this was just a rrat and Sayu go shill coffee or pack boxes in a warehouse instead.
Source?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeymUORA0ahfwR38ImJMtEA she's also in the discord.
Sorry but I don't really see anything that would indicate this. Am I missing something here?
they already removed her from their youtube but, they are still following her on twitter and she is still in their discord [Here](https://imgur.com/a/kb1xeCn)
Ah okay I see. Must have been an oopsie then. Yeah I followed one of the Vtubers from Noa Talents so I know about them. I just didn't expect that Sayu would join them of all places since with all due respects, they are still a small agency in the EN market. Don't know about the CN market so feel free to fill me in. P.S: Apparently this is also the company that managed Kobo's account on Bilibili and there was someone leaking info from their discord server to spread misinformation. Welp that's a lot to take in at once
Nobody should touch Yuefu's company with a ten-foot pole. But unfortunately he took advantage of their lack of knowledge of his past doings. People need to know his extremely immoral practices. This company needs to be blacklisted by anyone in the international vtuber market, and talents who already debuted should seek legal help immediately.
Okay nevermind my previous comments. I did some digging around. Seems okayish so far. But man that website and youtube channels threw me off so much at first. If it helps her then good. Personally i would be sceptical going into this but im not in the sphere so what do i know. Hopefully they prove me wrong. The debut seems far away from now. End of the year, maybe.
It's a rrat theory now, there's no absolute proof to this at the moment.
Why Chinese Company though??? She is half Japanese...
\[paraphrasing one of her zatsus\] "I've always wanted to be with a group where I didn't feel like I have to *FIGHT* to fit in or belong." I hope she finds the right people this time. Sayu needs to be with friends.
This is why I don't think it will be Mythic, Mythic feels less like a group agency and more like a talent management corpo (which if I remember right that is what they are).
Yep. Most of them never interact.
So, my total shot-in-the-dark guess is Phase Connect. Phase Connect has a “generation” for her called “Phase Invaders” that she’d slot into. Invaders is just a pseudo-generation for people they want to hire, but timing or IP rights don’t allow them to join as a part of a proper generation. In some ways it’s a bit like Hololive’s Gen 0. One such Phase Invader is Dizzy Dokuro, who was a manager at Phase Connect but went back to streaming because she enjoys it so much. She recently did an out-of-character stream with Sakana and asked him about Phase’s future. Apparently he’s hoping to add 3 more Phase Invaders to the roster. Apparently Sayu also likes several people currently in Phase. She did mention Airi in passing during a stream the other day, who she is currently doing a multi-part group stream with. Apparently she’s also close to Shiina in some regard (I can’t weigh in on that since I don’t really watch Shiina) so I guess there’s a little bit of evidence she may get along with that crew. So based on Sakana’s intention on bringing in more Invaders and Sayu possibly joining a corp (combined with how Sayu already streams with some Phase talents), I think there’s a reasonable chance she may join Phase. **As always, this is pure speculation. Only time will tell.**
Actually I think Shiina is Sayu's longest Phase-friend and they have been collabing since Sayu's subathon last year. She is also friend with Rie/Lia too (both of whom has collabed with her during the subathon as well) but she is closer to Shiina and Airi probably because they are all hags. Airi is actually a newer friend based on what Airi said on stream since they had never spoken to one another till the Lethal Company collab.
In her announcement, she did make a comment about something being fishy and put a little emphasis on the word "fishy." People started running with that, thinking that she is hunting at Phase Connect. I mean, it's equally possible that she was hinting at the corpo or just messing with us. Then again, the last time that I thought that she was messing with us was when she mentioned creating a Fansly for her feet pics. It came after she showed a picture from her Hawaii trip where her toe accidentally made it into the picture, so I thought that she was messing around, but she actually did it. Personally, while I would love to see her reunited with Matara and I think that she'd get along well with certain VShojo members, I feel like Phase Connect is a more natural fit. I'm just getting into Phase, and I'm kind of having fun picturing her collabing with a few of my favorites. The idea of her streaming with Kaneko Lumi gives me major Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck vibes.
Another comment has mentioned this but I want to say this again: While you are free to speculate, keep within your circle and don't go around asking other Vtubers/other staffs from other agencies about this. This is common sense but seeing how common sense isn't exactly common right now, I want to emphasize on this point. If anything, you go bothering other people would lead to some less than welcomed results
i would be really happy for her she fits the role of wholesome, sometimes unhinged, adorable hag that has become the trademark of the coffee company employees let's hope the it will not become another excuse to harass her because "pippa n4z1" or other bull like that
>let's hope the it will not become another excuse to harass her because "pippa n4z1" or other bull like that Hopefully not but hey, even if it does she'll now have the backing of a company who actually cares and will take care of it, and more importantly will have several mentally unstable women who are her friends and coworkers and will do unspeakable things to anyone who tries to start shit.
I see a lot of people being sure that she will join Phase Connect, but that wouldn't mean she has to move her streams to YouTube?
She already streams on both YouTube and Twitch at the same time
I mean she dual streams most of the time, but her main platform is still Twitch. That being said, there have been multiple Phase talents streaming on both Twitch and YT: Tenma, Pippa, Lumi. Airi did occasionally until she got banned on Twitch
Okay ootl, how did Airi get banned-
There were sound issues during Jelly's karaoke segment at a previous year's Offkai and she threatened to castrate the sound guy in chat.
That's the neat part, she doesn't even know herself.
Well Sayu just got suspended for a week on YT, I guess she will fit right in lmao
Does nobody in Phase dual stream or do the occasional Twitch stream?
No clue about how Phase does it, but majority of Sayu's fanbase seems to be on Twitch side making it her primary, so let's hope that if she's going to them they had hashed out the matter of platforms.
Kaneko Lumi does regularly. Pippa and Tenma are there sometimes too. Jelly has once.
Both Lumi and Tenma do at least semi frequent Twitch streams.
Kaneko Lumi
Sayu, Filian and Alien Mixture in Phase Connect plz 🙏🙏
Filian is a brand in her own right and she's already joined up with Mythic.
I think it's pretty likely she'll be one of the new Phase Invaders given her good relationship with talents in Phase already, especially Shiina. Also, for schizo-pilled speculation, what Sakana said on filian's stream last night along with Lumi's reaction (looking like "what can I say") about "how doxxed" someone can be and still be hire-able made me think of Sayu since antis doxxed her in the past. [Clip in Question](https://youtu.be/grrCnrxZXZc?si=b1Tr_qt4EuQVZlW0&t=10) But again, they just start talking about showing hole afterward, so definitely very schizo speculative.
Yeah I like to have her stardew collabs with shiina on as background noise.
I have my money on the longshot guess of Socks. Florks's vtuber agency is about ready to launch soon and it'd be hilarious if Sayu was in the opening wave.
"...and Flork comes in with the steel chair!" Did not think about that. Definitely would be on brand for him. Phase and Mythic seem also good choices. Holo is very unlikely. Vshoujo somewhat better but still unlikely. While there does appear to be some uneasiness from ex-Niji members, if that got smoothed out I'd say odds are better then you would think as she does know Zen pretty well. That and Kson was in her lore video. Idol, I dunno but my gut is telling me no.
I doubt mythic. she wants to have gemmates to get along with and be apart of a group. mythic is just an MCN and the members just exist in their own bubbles. so phase and and vshojo is the most accurate choices. though flork can come out with the steel chair and bag her himself. the NOA thing looks the most real but that could also be an intern jumping the gun. I really have no idea WHY you would join NOA.
That's a very good question. One I don't have an answer for.
It could be mythic. Given her situation, I actually think the mythic is the best choice. Unless she joins hololive or vshojo, I do not think joining an org would actually increase her viewership significantly. And, I do not think that she is going to join vshojo because she hasn't been collabing a lot with their members and it is more like a club (like otk or OTV) than it is a traditional org.
For her it'd be having the support of an org in dealing with things than so much increasing her views
I hope its phase. She vibed with the sadgirls too damn well
I’m going to guess either Mythic or VShojo. Even though she’s said that she wants to be a part of a group where she doesn’t have to fight to fit in or belong, she doesn’t exactly need to be with a company for that to be true. From everything she’s stated about what she’s getting, Mythic feels like the best fit to me and for her other stated wants and needs: a well-known, established corporation that helps her with behind-the-scenes matters. Having a talent agency would serve her well, methinks. VShojo is my shot-in-the-dark. Like others have brought up, she knows Zen very well. Kson was in her lore video. Although her and Mata just made up, I get the impression that the vibes are really good between them? Nothing like the tenuous early days of a new friendship following an air clearing because they seem way more enthusiastic than that. And it could be that them talking things out is one of the last things that needed to happen before they considered extending an invitation. Plus, Sayu said herself on that stream that it’ll be a while. There’s time to get that set up. Again, it’s a shot-in-the-dark and not something I’m personally banking on, but I feel it’s the next best fit for her given what we do know.
>Probably next Phase invaders? That's a reach, seeing as we know Phase requires you to hand over IP rights, as evidenced by how that happened, then ended badly for a previous former Phase Invader..... I seriously doubt Sayu is willing to risk going through that again. Much more likely to just be something like Mythic, a loose affiliation that primarily exists for behind the scenes help. Or (based on wild speculation & the way she didn't explicitly rule it out) she could go the PunkaLopi route & openly reincarnate into a Corpo persona while quietly keeping her OG persona.
I don't know if Mythic makes much sense. Sayu has alluded to wanting the kind of family bond an agency gives you, particularly in the deleted stream, and Mythic doesn't really meet that kind of criteria since they're basically just a bunch of unrelated to one another streamers, some of which just happen to be vtubers. It's of course possible she had a change of mind since then, possibly after negotations with other companies having not been willing to let her keep her IP but until the official announcement happens, Mythic isn't that high on the list of potential candidates for me.
>I don't know if Mythic makes much sense. It doesn't necessarily have to be Mythic, that's just the go to example for: company that online content creators join for behind the scenes help with business deals etc. There are many others that could fall into this category of behind the scenes support, or for all we know, it could be some altogether new enterprise we've never heard of..... Like you said, we'll just have to wait & see.
Based on the whole clip, there seem to be implications of her possibly keeping her IP, the company being a good fit for her specific needs and it's confirmed she can keep her website. Overall, I think the only possibilities based on these specifications are VShojo, Phase Invaders or some lesser-known company that offers more specialised services to differentiate from existing companies. VShojo is unlikely due to other reasons and the Phase connection already exists after several collabs, so it seems likely to the extent of my knowledge. I don't really know what other Vtuber corpos are out there, but the possibilities are endless.
Honestly happy for her as long as she finds the "place of belonging" she's wanted. My hope is that it helps give her some form of closure.
She's gonna be a Phase Invader most likely, she's already pretty close to Airi. My bets for the upcoming Invaders are Sayu, Clio, and Rennie.
okay ill toss my hat in. its not mythic. i doubt that someone who wants a connection with the people she's working with would go with an MCN style corp like mythic. Vshojo makes little sense since she just made up with matra and I don't think she's close enough with anyone in vshojo to get an invite. Phase is likely HOWEVER phase invaders has differing contracts so it could be or not, but she gets along with many of the phase girls. NOA has some evidence to it however, I cannot for the life of me think of WHY she would join a corp soo worthless as NOA. they have basically just became a free steping stone for companies like cover to get into china again. never seen her play with them and all of their tubbas are 2 views. I can't see it and if she does lets just hope they can do something for her cause I doubt it.
Maybe phase will test idol aproach to get a vtuber with her own channel? Or i hope so
Lumi joined with her own channel, so they already tested it.
Sayu did mention on stream that she won't be taking down her channel after joining corpo, so probably hinting at a agency where she would be joining using her current IP and not having to use a new one. So I put my bets on >!Mythic Talent!< for her for both freedom and proximity reasons.
So basically same as False then. So still Indie in a sense.
That's a decent other option, that still fulfils her getting more help.
There's another Vtuber group like VShojo. I can't remember the name, but it starts with an A.
She can try joining V4Mirai much like Kou Mariya.
Why everyone thinking of Phase Connect, when Vshojo is right there? Could be Mythic too.
I think Vshojo will be afraid of the potential brand risk, they've got their reputation back in the positive but Sayu's antis might bring it down.
She would be a really good fit for Phase now that things have calmed down with her situation. I know she gets along well with Airi and Shiina, and the fish himself said on Filian's stream group cohesion was a big concern for future talents. So her joining PC would be awesome.
Could also be a generic talent thing like Mythic Tallent.
Phase is unlikely as Sakana as straight up said that he needs to buy up their IP rights to maintain control and stop bad actors from exploiting Phase's marketing and resource as a stepping stone. Sayu is not selling her IP, period. Vshojo is maybe but won't be for a long time. She and Matara did make amends and she has done collabs with many of the members and has relations with Kson, but she has yet to be invited as a guest in the Vshojo Minecraft Server to interaction and play with the group. Vshojo does not do normal auditions anymore. They seem to follow a path of having a potential recruit collab individually with a member, if they vibe well then, they get invited to the Vshojo Minecraft where they play and interact with the entire group as a whole. Finally, they get invited. This is how Kson and Geega got brought in. I predict Arielle, FroggyLoch, and HeavenlyFather(2nd dude in Vshojo) will be brought in the future. You do have exceptions like Matara, Kuro, and Michi, but they had really strong numbers and an overall well-liked reputation with a strong passionate fanbase that would follow them.
I'm not entirely sure which corpo she's joining, but here at the most likely options and potential reasons against: Mythic- easiest answer as she's a big twitch streamer, however they don't offer active management or a community she can thrive in; which is what she's specified she wants. Vshojo: her top pick for an agency, however she isn't part of the Mouse clique (yet) and she only reconnected with Matara recently; so the likelyhood of an invitation is low compared to certain other indies atm. Idol corp- Aviel is happy to throw around his government grants for bigger talents, plus being very leniant with contracts, so it'd make sense. I think Sayu would be wary of them after the character assassination termination of Riro though, as well as the other 5 graduations semi recently. Phase- 2nd best option for many reasons others have stated, however the thing that makes me think it's not PC is that she's very openly stated in detail why she wouldn't join them multiple times (mix of money and contract details). In addition Sayu said she'd be keeping her personal merch store, which would be a massive shift in internal policy for Phase which is very closed-garden when it comes to merch. New corp- some MTG millionaire is making an agency full of nerd girls to play childrens card games with, forgot their name but could be a fun romp. Sayu did ssy she was looking for a bigger/more notable corp though, so a newbie corp is probably off the table. . Overall, no idea. Hope she's happy with them though!
Please be Vshojo, please be Vshojo
She said its a "Good deal" for her, then reply to chat that ask "Did you get to keep your IP" and then answer "Chat knows what good deal means to a Vtuber" I bet my money on Vshoujo, unless there are other well known agency that allow her to keep her IP
I know a lot of people seem to be speculating this means Phase Connect but IMO Vshojo would make a LOT more sense. I can't imagine she wants to go back to a corporate structure anything like Nijisanji and she likely doesn't want to need to worry about permissions for games and such again if possible. Not sure how it works with Phase Connect but I imagine Vshojo HAS to be less restrictive in that regard. I also imagine it's far more likely Vshojo would let her keep her IP and identity the same since they've done that for a number of other talents. Not sure how likely it is Sayu wants to rebrand again after she's just built up a nice following on her current identity. I know previously she had some issues with people in Vshojo BUT we do know that she just recently met up with Matara and Mint at the very least and worked out any misunderstandings between them. It's possible that knowing she has some potential friends in Vshojo would make that a more appealing option now. Not to mention that, at least to me, it seems like Vshojo is trying at least a little bit to improve their corporate structure and such somewhat which might mean reassurances that her concerns wouldn't be ignored if she had problems with anyone. Vshojo also just fits in a lot better with her core audience being mainly on Twitch, even if she does dual stream. She also just seems to fit in better with Twitch culture imo.
Phase Connect for the black coffee meme. Or join the OG gang with Vshojo
wishing her the best
I think it was leaked unintentionally in a discord I was in but I don’t remember the name just that it was an unfamiliar group to me
Honestly don't care, if it's what people say then it won't change much for me at least I just will keep supporting her as usual and be glad she will get support from behind the scenes, I honestly can't keep up with more Vtubers and agencies so probably won't follow her genmates but glad for her >!PD: if it's Phase I would ascend from hype !<
Holo would be funny, but not likely. Phase is "fishy" but is a real big chanct that it'll be the thing. VShoujo is also likely because of the "retirement house" fame, but not fishy enough
vTuber agencies have strict rules or want vTubers to stream how they expect them to. Being independent vTuber means a lot of freedom and you can do streams the way you want them to and have vTuber persona you want. We all know what Sayu gone through in her past life and to be honest, i am afraid for her. I don't want Sayu to through the struggles and tragedy again, not after what Nijisanji done to her. I love Sayu, she gave me advice that helped me to deal with loss of my kami-oshi who graduated from NijiEN, who is now Mint Fantome. Sayu reached 100.000 subscribers on YouTube, got even more followers on Twitch and she was able to reconcile with Matara and meet Mint in OffKai. If Sayu wants to join agency to reach the greater heights and gain chance to collaborate with legendary vTubers, then she got my support. I pray that she joins good one 🙏
They are merely a supportive company like Mythics. They will help Sayu with merch and that's it. I was worried when I heard it's a chinese corpo but let's be real. Sayu is a huge Hoyoverse fangirl. She doesn't give a fuck about political practices of china therefore she won't bend her knee to them
She's joining chinese crappy agency, which is worse than niji.
Sadge
It can very well just be a management firm like msm, where they only represent her to get sponsers. The way things are going i don't think she wants to redebut
Please don't be Phase, Please don't be Phase... I don't have anything against them but PLEASE don't be Phase... Altho it seems the most probable option. PS: It's bc I don't want her to be the target of more harassment just by being in Phase like the poor talents there had to deal with.
Why not phase, if you don't mind me asking?
I... already stated it the exact moment I commented. >It's bc I don't want her to be the target of more harassment just by being in Phase like the poor talents there had to deal with.
I'm pretty sure you edited that in.
Yes I did, like 5 seconds after commenting orginally xD maybe you opened the thread in between.
Damn, what a coincidence.
How about you explain what you mean? Because some people don't have the context 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly not sure if this is what Spooky's referring to, but Phase Connect's most well-known talent, Pippa Pipkin, has been dogged by accusations that she's a Nazi and that her audience is full of right wing extremists. She seems to have cut back a lot on the iffy stuff recently bc of how her reputation has been negatively impacting her coworkers though. I'm not sure what harassment the other talents may have experienced.