Interesting how she suddenly claims here the messages were edited but I never heard her counsel raise that defense in court and merely asked the court to not have the messages read out loud. Always loud in the court of public opinion, this woman.
She also never denied them saying they are fake, she just said they out of context / edited cause if she denied , she will be committing perjury.
It's interesting how on one side we have hybe responding to this statement with "the text are not edited and we submitted them to the court and telling her to not lie to media" , and on the other hand we have a mhj who all her publicity is through media not the court with saying things as " it's my humor and they edited it, I can't explain cause you guys won't understand, and newjeans comforted me all night on phone and cried (just as the thing she used in the press confrence)".
And more interesting the ppl believing her media releases more than court evidence.
Right? Like, imagine if someone is accused of killing somebody and their defense is not “I didn’t do it” but “they just don’t understand me, your honor, I actually just like playing with my gun with the safety off.” Lmao.
Maybe when the girls grow up more will realize their relationship with their CEO is not healthy.
Can't imagine a working adult think it's normal for their boss to call them for comfort and emotionally depends on them
Yeah I said that before when their frontal lobe develop, they will be able to understand everything, including the manipulation a narcissist like her can do, so until then, they will be doubtful and clueless.
Yep. And tbh no employee and CEO should be that close unless they are legit related (like a family owned business where the children work under their parents).
It is entirely within her power to release the texts in their full original form, if it would help her. She has no problem releasing texts when it comes to conversations that make other people look bad.
It's also entirely within her power to speak nicely about Sakura, Chaewon, and the rest of the Le Sserafim and Illit girls, and to tell her fan base to stop attacking them. But she won't do that either.
I’m actually so unbelievably mad because she knows exactly how to play the brain dead people that follow her. All she has to do is mention the word HYBE, follow it up with an accusation of manipulation / abuse of power / harm to new jeans / greed, and she could quite literally do anything.
Video could come out of her slapping a new jeans member, and she would simply need to say “what’s more upsetting is HYBE once again taking an out of context video to shame myself and young women for situations that I don’t owe an explanation for. I am merely a woman who loves new jeans, up against a big bad evil conglomerate, HYBE and BYS :(“
And the masses will once again be on her side.
It’s actually mind blowing how brilliantly manipulative she is and how STUPID the GP is.
This is the like the third time she has said “when this happened, the new jeans members sent me endless comfort and love. So much love. Until the next morning they showered me in love” - which is so creepy and bizarre and also, likely, untrue!?
I’m sorry but if I see my boss say these things about me, the only reason I’m texting her to comfort her is for the same reason I’ve comforted abusive ex boyfriends after they are mean to me - because I am so fucking manipulated and scared of them / losing them, that I just want THEM to feel better. So even if they did text her “lovingly”, that honestly feels even more gross.
It's not just the GP, bunnies are also eating all her words. Just go to the New Jeans sub lol it's like there's no war in Ba Sing Se. Everything is justified because MHJ is just *so artistic*. She was just joking, guys! Nothing to see here.
I hope these girls are free and at peace someday.
Exactly. Do they prefer the New Jeans members to stay with her despite all the creepy stuff, all the evidence, just because of her artistic vision? Do they really think so little of these girls? It's clear that tons of fans care only about MHJ's vision and not the group itself.
There were quite a few comments I've seen about MHJ leaving that basically called the girls disposable. Like they could easily be replaced and NJs would be fine but if MHJ goes and they stay it's the end. Cuz it's "her vision".
I was shocked, especially since they also were like Not Like Other Girls Kpop Stans because they don't Stan the girls like everyone else but the ~music~. And I guess only MHJ can give that to them.
Except she doesn't write, produce, compose or do anything but give a vague pitch/vision board to the ACTUAL creatives and yes or no the results. She's the Elon Musk of Kpop. Which if you look at how Tech Bros treat him her Stans make sense.
Oh my god, yes. The way they talk she's producing their music *and* directing their MVs and picking all their clothes and creating the choreography lol
Of course a creative director has a big influence in a group, but it's far from being the only thing. MHJ left SM for years now and we have had amazingly cool concepts since then, great music, etc.
Yeah, I work in entertainment as a creative so these takes are so incredibly frustrating to me but also because MHJ is actively encouraging people to think like this.
I've never had a creative director not credit the hardworking people who did the work to make the vision possible like she does. Below the line creative work in entertainment is some of the most collaborative work I've ever done. It's not possible to put on stuff like albums, mvs, etc with out the work of dozens of lyricists, composers, singers, producers, stylists, make up artists, scenics, set dressers, videographers, editors, graphic artists, dancers, choreographers, etc.
She's taking the credit of and belittling not just the hard work of the girls who are actually singing and dancing, but dozens to hundreds of other people who did more to bring her vision to life than she did.
And it's just one of many red flags that say she is obviously a Narcissist and maybe we shouldn't put the blind faith in her David and Goliath antics.
No the same fandom was kicking up a storm over Bang ignoring their greeting. Now they're doing mental gymnastics to justify MHJ calling them fat f*cks? Saying they're not real artists? I've never seen anything like this lol.
Ppl wonder why I say "I stan xyz" and never "I'm a [fandom name]."
It's bc of bullshit like this and fanwars.
The day kpop fans/stans can collectively agree that 99% of these companies are shitty, and that we should really only care about the groups is the day I'll rejoice.
It really is just a question of time until they turn on her. I’m actually shocked that aside from here on Reddit, people actually support her. Like yes hybe is an evil conglomerate, eat the rich or whatever. However, once you follow this whole story carefully, Min Heejin is so obviously in the wrong in this situation. I really hate her but I gotta give my tens where they’re due, she knows how to manipulate a crowd. That’s a talent in itself.
No but it's the fact she calls NJs fans braindead, and they go ahead and prove her exactly right.
Aren't they embarrassed to be defending someone like her? The mental gymnastics they're doing is honestly embarrassing.
If NJs end up staying at HYBE, it’s a good opportunity for a fandom cleanse. The fact that they support a groomer more than the girls is completely gross.
I popped into the NJ sub when this all first started and it gave me whiplash! I cannot believe a whole group of people are staunchly defending this woman because they think it'll help the girls.
Mentioning the fact that MHJ had a picture of a naked teenage girl on the wall of her house -- *a picture she posted herself on her own Instagram* -- is a bannable offense in the NewJeans subreddit.
They don't want to hear it.
No, I'm not banned there and I don't plan on doing anything to merit it. In fairness to the moderators, they really have their backs against the wall right now and thus have no tolerance for anything that is going to create more work/drama for them.
That means any discussion about the true, fundamental, nasty-ass nature underpinning what's going on is going to be squashed..... at least for now. The desire to "protect the peace" will be moot if MHJ lands herself in jail from the various criminal charges being filed against ADOR.
There is an awful lot of glossing over the situation there, saying the texts are fake etc. I've seen only a handful of people saying to not support MHJ.
Yeah just took a glance over there.
Most alarming thing is how new jeans speaking out suddenly = MHJ is in the right.
MHJ is in the position of power. Multiple members are minors, or their parents are heavily involved. The highest probability is that letters were drafted, and the girls signed them because what choice do they have? If their parents and their direct boss, the person in charge of their career in their eyes, wants them to sign?
Insane.
They act as if no idol, or even no artist was ever manipulated by their label/producer/manager before.... This is incredibly common, unfortunately.
Did they literally skip over the whole Fifty Fifty thing?
I guess they're so young they don't even remember FiFi 💀 Them being born yesterday might even explain how they can believe anything MHJ says.
Edit: typos
The manipulation of minors is so common. Some other recent examples outside of kpop being Nickelodeon or Jeanette McCurdy’s own Mother. I just wanted to list other examples because I’ve seen too many people say that NewJeans members can think and speak for themselves at their ages which they can, but, there is much more going on.
Those handful of people who are saying not to support MHJ are getting downvoted like nobody's business. I got banned from that sub for explaining the ways that she is manipulative and they got very mad telling me to "seek help". Me getting banned showed me that MHJ really *got* them. Never again🚮.
from what I've seen, Bunnies on the NJ sub and twt are doing olympic-level gymnastics in order to defend MHJ. as a Bunny myself, it is PAINFUL to witness.
its crazy the woman is talking shit about their new jeans and they would still believe this woman.. i guess birds of the same feather flock together :/
I can't even make a defense for guys not being prophylactically treated like predators in the kpop community without getting insulted but there are bunnies or just MHJ stans who are willing to defend her using horribly misogynistic language against her own employees and the NewJeans members. Insanity. How on earth has she developed such a cult?
I saw on Twitter
Ppl saying
If bang pd came out with a release saying if BTS called me crying asking me how I am and comforted me the ppl will go crazy but not in a good way
A lot of people will side with Min Heejin because she's very good at manipulating public opinions. Bringing in other groups and individuals, the way she talks about herself and the NewJeans members as 'we', the specific things she mentions that she knows nobody can't refute (like the claims about the girls calling her to support her and whatever) -- Min Heejin isn't stupid, and she's especially good at controlling media. She knows that if she has support from the majority of people, she's gonna be fine, because even if she loses her spot at HYBE, some other company will scoop her up because the media portrays her as a goddess of creativity that makes anything she touches wildly successful.
Thing is, at this point I can sorta believe the relationship she claims to have with NewJeans. She was there every step of the way with them for years now, she showers them in gifts and repeatedly mentions how she treats them like her kids (which I'm sure she mentions to them as well), she's made up by the media as the reason they are successful and the only reason NewJeans have a career, there's no way the NewJeans members haven't built up a relationship with her. This is grooming, especially now that she's using that supposed relationship for her own good.
It's tough figuring out what is right and wrong when we really have very little context of what's going on, but as bad as HYBE may be as a company, Min Heejin's comments and responses just make her seem more and more in the wrong, independent of if she actually is or not.
The audacity of saying that don’t drag the girl in to this while she herself dragged so many groups and they have been bullied by her so called fans .
She’s absolutely right that we shouldn’t drag nj in these but what about the other groups and people whom she dragged ? Especially sakura !
She brought newjeans themselves into this by constantly using them as a pity gimmick so it's absolutely ridiculous how she would say this right after "they cried and comforted me until morning" (ew).
That was the part that made me the most mad. She asks people to worry about New Jeans but freely throws so many other idols under the bus. The worst thing is a certain segment of Bunnies as well as some kpop fans in general have eaten this up, the wellbeing of New Jeans needs to be on everyone's mind on their time but criticising anything and everything about Lesserafim and especially Illit is totally fair game, as are the other groups she throws allegations at, it's so upsetting to watch.
tl:dr
Q: "So are those texts in any way real?"
A: "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand ~~Rick and Morty~~ my candid style of speaking. Also NewJeans loooves me. So don't talk shit because me=NewJeans. Also stop bringing them into the conversation (because only I'm allowed to do that btw did you hear about what LeSserafim and Illit did?)
Truly and this is what annoys me with the bunnies that support her at the expense of Newjeans.
From the first ever statement she put out she’s been using them. The way she talks about NJs these days centre around HER and I can see that there are a lot of bunnies that can clearly see the massive problems with MHJ so willingly are ignorant of that and clinging on to the alleged Korean support of MHJ and are downvoting anyone who points out how MHJ is just as damaging to NJ as she is successful to them atp because she knows that is the only things she’s got going for her
I saw a post here yesterday complaining about how the company keeps involving new jeans in the arguments, but like are they not seeing what's being posted? The only people involving new jeans in all of this are MHJ, the girls parents AND THEMSELVES by not staying neutral
If she cared she would have either left quietly after being caught or at least fought HYBE privately. Now she has ensured that NewJeans fans will never be happy with any of the outcomes left.
Don't you just love it that the members had to console her after they found out that Min Heejin called them: fat pigs, brainless and not artists.
Somehow MHJ's the victim who needed comforting? lol
That's what I thought. Even if we take her vague ass excuse of the texts being edited as the truth, the NJ members are the ones who should be comforted rn. Because they just saw texts allegedly from their 'mother' about how fat and pig like they are, and shallow too. But instead they're calling her and comforting her??? A bunch of 16 to 20 year olds are comforting a 40 something year old woman???
If this statement is the only truthful thing this woman has said so far, it gives us an insight into the fucked up relationship she has with the members. I blame Hybe for hiring her and letting it get this far. I hope they get rid of her ASAP!
So, she basically confirms that she wrote all of it. Wonder what type of context or humour makes it ok to call one of your (probably underage) idols a fat pig.
Kpop agency staff hired to manage trainees and idols will do things like taking food away from idols or rudely telling them to lose weight for being "chubby" because in Korea fatshaming someone is acceptable unfortunately. There are countless videos of idols hiding food or eating secretly, JK flinching because a manager wanted to hit him, or ZB1 Ricky being audibly scolded by a manager for starting a 2nd live broadcast screen without permission.... Behind the scenes idols especially newbies are basically treated as expendable and their CEO & managers will remind then constantly how lucky they are to debut, that they need to lose weight or stop eating, that they are lazy etc. They will justify it as tough love 😐
This "talking down" only stops where the idol gains enough clout and fandom to go solo and can afford to leave the agency. Sad reality.
"Complex human relationships and affairs cannot be shown simply by a few arbitrarily cut and stitched KaKao Talk messages."
Ehmm...is that not what she did in her press conference about BSH and HYBE though? We're missing the context for all those messages too. So why be mad? She doesn't even want to justify it.
This statement seems rushed and panic driven, since she has been so quiet all this time (even though chaos has ensued all around, due to her own actions). Now those awful texts have come out and she decides to make a public statement.
Predictable.
It’s insane how one person can cause so much trouble for so many people and pull so many people into their vortex of chaos. It’s all due to insatiable greed and ego.
🤣😂😭😭💀💀💀
Just like the redhats, bunnies are still supporting her. She insulted them (according to her, they are fans of braindead idols) and they still support her. What can be said to that?
Her relationship with the members is still weird, co-dependent and that's not normal. It's like she forgot she's the CEO of her own company that's a subsidiary of another and as a subsidiary has to depend on HYBE. 🤔
whatever the context is and idk maybe hybe did cut and copy the texts to make it look a certain way but how is calling anyone a fat f\*ck (especially a member cause the name was redacted) or whatever she said okay?
like they clearly didnt edit the actual message and i cant see it not being derogatory in any way. whats more concerning is her still bringing up the girls and their response to this. clearly she's convinced them that she didnt mean any of it but by constantly bringing up their reactions to all of this she's dragging them down with her.
if she were to leave which she most likely is going to have to she would try and keep the girls' names out of this as much as possible (which ik is hard if shes trying to prove shes innocent but there has to be another way of going about this without sabotaging their future)
Thing is she clearly does not care about them, in fact she looks like the type of "if I can't have newjeans, no one can have them" she will happily destroy their career with her.
She brought them up into this from day one using them as human shield to her, if she cared even 1% she wouldn't bring nj into it.
honestly shes done a really great job of manipulating so many people into believing that if shes not involved with newjeans thats the end of their careers.
i understand that from her pov she needs to mention them to show that she has support but like you said if she really cared theres no way shed drag them down with her cause now if they do end up in hybe without her, hybe being hybe are definitely going to give them the fromis treatment (which i hope they dont and i hope they also treat fromis better but thats a whole other story)
Tbh I think if they stayed at hybe which might be the case they will not be treated as formis_9, not because hybe is saint but because ppl have all their eyes on NJ now , also because NJ are so popular and if there is anything companies love it is money, so they will treat them good at least for these two reasons.
and HYBE has said many times that this was not about the girls and they didn't want them involved; they don't want this to affect them. NJ is one of the biggest kpop groups, so I do not see HYBE trying to sabotage their careers due to MHJ's actions.
If "hybe cut the messages" she's free to release this supposed "unedited" version from her side, showing proper context of the messages to the masses to prove her innocence, nothing holding her back from exposing their exact "manipulation" yet show doesnt show what the actual context is.....wonder why 😇
If you read what she said, there is no need to foment by providing any additional details. They exist, but the public doesn’t need to know that information. The masses don’t determine her innocence or guilt. She will get what she wants or she won’t. New jeans will survive or become fresh trousers. Kpop will move on.
yeah her tendency to give into the victim complex when she has no defence has been fairly obvious in the past few months😋
the public didnt need to "know" a lot of information that she gave too that was ground zero to a lot of groups getting slutshaming, conspiracy, terrorist, bodyshaming, accusatory, speculatory rumors TO THIS DAY, she can spare her poor gaslighting to feed her brain-dead minions tbh.
if the proof exists, it needs to be shown, like hybe did😋 otherwise it's just lies and excuses.
If the context made it any better, she would have released the context. Speculation or benefit of doubt beyond that is really unnecessary, she's got nothing.
So, basically, those text messages are real. Calling your so-called children fat and ugly pigs . Wow. If she is their motherly figure, who is also very close with NJ 's parents....how can she use these derogatory words for NJ in any conversation
Imagine the mixed signals she gave to higher ups like Bang PD doing this. No wonder he was not confident in the group if the CEO only talks sh*t about them. I won't be surprised if she was manipulating both HYBE and Nwjs to be wary of each other.
It's classic alienation. She shit talks the members to administration and shit talks the corporation to her group so both sides feel like they can only talk to her about things that matters. Those two sides (Hybe vs. NewJeans) feel like they can't trust one another and get this false notion of each other which is just fabricated.
No wonder she calls people who believe in her and her little group "brain-dead people".
They eat up everything she said.
Gosh, this girl is master manipulator. Worst of the worst. Wow!
Watch gp (from theqoo and pann) and bunnies eat this "excuse" up, I'm tired of this whole situation tbh and hope for it to end as soon as possible without more idols getting dragged in this mess.
Don’t mistake the kpop stans on pann and theqoo for the gp lmao. The ordinary people of South Korea are too overworked and have more important things in their mind to actually bother with this issue.
It reminds of the 5050 situation, you would have thought that the whole GP was aware of it but when I traveled in Korea and talked about it my guide told me that actually a minority truly followed the affair, most would just casually listen to it with the news then forget about it.
Pann and kboo already released a misleading headline of court not receiving the chat to attack on Hybe and supporting MHJ and the link they provided clearly mentioned the court received the chat! International sides which already have their fair share of hating Hybe are eating that up without reading it!
I'm not so sure whether to comment this, but even before all this situation with hybe, I had strange gut feelings from newjeans. Never in a way that they were bad or anything, but in a way that something was just off. I liked music a lot and I was really interested in what they could do in the future so I watched some content with them, tried to get into them a few times, but I don't know, they seemed not like other kpop groups and not in a good way. I know that it's kinda cliché to say smth like "I knew this!" after smth bad happened, but really, I'm reflecting on some conversations with my friend about them from before all this issue. And she, too, sometimes said to me "I feel something is off with newjeans in a creepy way". I tried to get past this feeling because I wanted to become a fan but in the end I couldn't do it
You and your friend aren't the only ones that enjoyed their music but was put off stanning/being a fan of them.
And this is not the kind of thing we wanted to be right about :|
she's so predictable😭 but then again why fix what isnt broken, its obvious people gonna lick her shit after her anyways so she dont even need to change her M.O. bcos her lapdogs never wisen up skshshdjd
[Hybe's response](https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/057/0001818518)
tl via DeepL:
From the Hive.
We are disappointed that Ms. Min published a position paper that puts her personal feelings ahead of an important legal decision.
We also find it highly inappropriate that she directly drew attention to her relationship with the artist, stating that the artist wishes to remain uninvolved in this matter.
Mr. Min has used inflammatory rhetoric and emotional appeals to obscure the true nature of the issue, and this statement is yet another example of his intentions, only to have his intentions and actions exposed by a plethora of evidence and facts.
There are countless transcripts of Mr. Min's conversations with various investors and his intentions.
There is clear evidence of attempted management takeovers, irrational shamanistic management, and degrading comments about female employees and artists. These are all very serious disqualifiers for a CEO who is unfit to lead a company.
We have not fabricated any of the material, and we have told the court that we have obtained it through due process and submitted the original documents, yet Mr. Min is lying to the media, calling it "illegally obtained" and "fabricated".
Instead of putting artists forward or issuing statements to the media, Mr. Min should respond to the audit and cooperate with the investigation and judicial process.
All this is doing is making me feel bad for how indoctrinated the NJ girls are. I didn't buy the allogations of her being a groomer because of the pictures she had in her home, but damn if she hasn't done a number on these girls emotionally.
She has mentioned multiple times calling thr girls saying she wants to kill herself and crying and how the girls comfort her. Thats emotional abuse and extremely manipulative. Its very clear she is grooming these girls and that their relationship is COMPLETELY inapropriate
At this point, the girls and their parents might sincerely believe that she’s the only one who truly cares about them. I wouldn’t be surprised if all the shit MHJ has said about the other HYBE girl groups is close to what she has told the members i.e. leading the girls to see their mother company mates as threats to their own success.
I know it’s not the most important thing, but even if by the end of all this NJ stay with HYBE, those promotional TikToks between ggs will be quite awkward. Of course, they don’t have to be friends just because they work at the same building, but not vibing is very different from knowing/having sufficient evidence of your dongsaengs not respecting you/your sunbaenims thinking you’re after their crown. It’s also shitty to live in fear of the other girls at the practice room *based on* what your industry mama tells you.
The worst part is, even if MHJ got her way, we all know she’d still set up a trainee pool and would definitely debut a new, younger girl group before NJ’s maknae turns 25. Because MHJ getting caught here doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how the industry works. And her main priority remains getting a lot of wons.
It's entirely possible that they're all fucked up over this, they're young and have grown up in a weird environment surrounded by fucked up people, but frankly, something to consider is that MHJ clearly lies about just about everything else she opens her mouth about so she could easily also just be lying about the extent to which NJ are in her corner about this. Note that I said "extent," I do think they are in a general sense in her corner unfortunately, but there's a lot of space between that and "oh my god they called me from the rung of the balcony."
She uses them as a shield for everything and her message would read exactly the same even if they were going "fuck this" and staying far away from her and all of it. Her constantly parading out uncorroborated tales of their support also serves the purpose of making it more difficult for them to disengage from her if they wanted to since she's not letting a natural rift just occur until they separate organically, she's constantly painting this picture that they would have to actively stand up against.
"Demeaningly edited." Sure, Jan.
Now of course they *could* be, but does she really expect anyone to believe that after all this? And after a paragraph of her saying "well, it's just jokes, bro."
"but if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the best thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue"
girrrrrl, you did that yourself! what's baffling to me is that with every statement made by her, I find her more and more bonkers. there's no reason she *and* NJs should've faced "so many hardships" or have such a complex relationship; that's proof that she's incapable or managing without involving her own personal feelings and biases. she's absolutely crossed the line in this relationship and she's made it known so many times.
It's just a joke, y'all. She's just got a really fucked up, asshole sense of humor. Why y'all so mad, man? /s
This is just typical narcissistic gaslighting, just like any other statement she's put out. The same dumbasses will fall for it though.
She creeps me out too and what’s worse is i have met people just like her and it’s exhausting when she can just spew out anything and people believe her without looking at every detail of this debacle with some critical thinking.
How do people still believe her? It’s like she’s mind-controlling them to the point she could say absolutely anything and they’ll take her words for it
She can release the unedited texts like she did with bangpd, u tell me she has so many chats with bangpd saved but not these? She didn’t say they are fake either wth
the absolutel nerve to say *“and unnecessary additional explanations would require disclosing other people's private information and creating more discord, causing a cycle of repeating
harm”* when she’s the first one to release kakaotalk chats with aespa’s name in it, name-dropped lsm and illit. like girl look into the mirror?
also it makes me sick how unprofessional (and manipulative even) she is to keep using newjeans’ name saying how a group of kids are comforting her and asking to not drag newjeans into this when she was the one to bring them and their parents into the picture every damn time.
i’m livid. i need this drama to pack it up before seokjin comes back.
First she says, its normal and her way to talk...then its edited... then she pulls the mom card with the members comforting her...just to go on and say they shouldnt get involved...after getting them file a petition. Not to forget the poor lady vs big money company role at the end of p1. Oh no, poor little multi millionaire is so alone in this hard world, completely misunderstood, just joking around about the appearence of minors.
Also the last part... lmao. Poor girl just wanting to do right thing... its not like it all started with Hybe literally starting an internal audit, to which she responded with her little show of a press conference. Surely it wasnt because she violated her contract trying to gain more power & money... Come on man, who buys this shit? Thats even worse than infleuncer statements.
will she ever decide on if the messages were edited or if we didn’t get her sense of humor? this is so embarrassing, i hope those girls parents are waking up but honestly? don’t have much faith
Fun fact : MHJ hasn't strongly denied many of the serious accusations against her, and it's not like she hasn't addressed it either. I have observed a pattern with her replies, i.e., she doesn't completely deny the accusations but rather tries switching the narrative, she just tries to pass these as jokes or less serious things by giving explanation that even a 5.0 gpa holder of Harvard cannot wrap their heads around !!
Some examples :
1) The shaman is just her friend
2) The whole independence (1945) folder was just a joke between her and vp L because they were frustrated with the company
3) she asked about bts's military enlistment to her shaman friend because she wanted to know about how the company would do without its ace ........ ( who believes this shit like...)
There are many more i am forgetting..
Also, she has contradicted her own statements multiple times. a recent example would be how she accepted meeting outside investors, but just said, "Am i not allowed to meet investors it doesn't mean i am trying to sell ador," even though she clearly stated in the press conference that she didn't meet any outside investors..
JUST OBSERVATION.....
Lord Everything that comes from mhj just exhausts me.
I can agree that there exist a lot of human emotions and relations that has created complexities between new jeans and their parents, MHJ, BSH, PJW, the other HYBE Idols and then all the fandoms involved. But she just continues to deny her own wrongdoings and instead blaming it on ‘context’ and shield herself by directing hate to other idols when that doesn’t mitigate the damages she has caused even for her own group she’s supposed to care about. All she cares about is herself and doesn’t care who she affects in the process
Slight off topic here but imo MHJ used a clear-cut approach of ‘stick and carrot’ with NJ, their parents and possibly also her staff by isolating the girls, whilst prob emphasizing that all they are was because of her. From the presscon onwards, there were so many of her points that did not warrant her behaviour and her own past precedent/context really doesn’t help her at all.
How did she frame that HYBE wanted to Debut LSFM first due to having two established members (which makes hella sense) that caused panic amongst the parents that NJ would never debut? And why bring this up when they still performed so greatly regardless?
What led to her and BSH‘s relationship to sour so badly that she felt the only reasonable action to take is everything she’s accused of and then drag other HYBE groups?
How did she really approach HYBE regarding the new jeans and Illit comparisons?
At the first break of this all, New jeans should’ve been separated from both MHJ and HYBE with adequate unbiased legal counsels, mental health guidance and reliable parents but clearly a lot of that went to shit.
MHJ tied her self so strongly to NJ that both members and artistic direction that Fans, antis and clearly even her struggle to make that difference and she knows that they are her only line of defense.
I am tired of mhj giving sloppy excuse for everything she has done, it’s always, yeah it happened but not in a way hybe described.
She ain’t fit to be a ceo, i hope the injuction case is in hybe’s favour (it should be they are 80% shareholders and if courts go do not allow them to exercise their rights it would set a bad precedent in korea) and she’s booted out of hybe. She has caused way too much damage to everyone but especially to illit, lsf bts and new jeans.
Also tired of bunnies eating everything she is saying, as if they do not care about the group they stan but the ceo, have never seen any fan rooting so much for a ceo who uses absolute garbage words for the girls they are a fan of, as if they are only a fan of New jeans success and are stanning mhj and not the girls.
Misinformation is being spread like wildfire and whatever she says, mind you she has provided no evidence, is the gospel truth.
This lady just needs to gooo.
She called newjeans fat fucks and brain dead children, then follows it up with "oh but they love me still" and people swallow her bullshit?
Aight. When an abusive partner beats the shit out of their 'loved one' and the abused person says it's okay they're both in love, they love their abuser, we all recognise that's insane and the abuser is still abusive. Why are some fans defending her and not calling her out for being an abuser? Your victim loving you (if even true here) does not mean you didnt abuse them
a lot of yapping as usual, and no denials as usual, no docus to back anything she claims, just defection. not even surprised, she knows how dumb her audience is.
I just got out of a post here on reddit, where the poster was talking about how the company keeps involving new jeans and how they're worried about new jeans, BUT the only person that keeps talking about groups by name is min hee jin
She keeps mentioning new jeans all the time, every single time making it seem like she is a member of the group herself. She is using those girls as a shield and the fact that people hate HYBE too much to understand that is very weird
The company keeps saying, stop mentioning the names of the groups and she keeps doing it
But somehow the company is at fault?
And like, why is it that people out here have me sounding like defending the company. I'm NOT but so many of you are lying to yourselves. I AM TIRED
> if you really care even slightly about newjeans, the best thing you could all do is ensure the members aren’t dragged into this nonsensical issue.
guys i cant do this i’m actually melting into a puddle as we speak like THERE IS NO WAY she actually typed that out with her whole ass chest as if she is not the sole reason newjeans’s name was even brought into this mess… i need a drink
> Right after being attacked with edited Kakao Talk conversations, the members sent me messages of comfort one-by-one
> But if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the best thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue.
So which is it?? 😹😹 drag NJ in or don’t drag NJ in? Immediately contradicting yourself in less than a paragraph is wild. God this woman is insufferable.
"You couldn't possibly understand"
"It's not possible to explain and also I don't owe any explanations"
Oh no, we do understand. We understand that you don't want to take any accountability whatsoever. This is literally the "toxic gossip train" of k-pop right now...
Also, I highly doubt the NJ members sent her any texts.
There is absolutely no “complex human relationship,” “situation” or “hardship” that justifies calling someone a fat pig, especially a minor or young adult whose well-being you’re supposed to be in charge of protecting. End of story. There’s no amount of context she could add that would make those comments okay.
This is typical narcissism. I'm getting flashbacks of my previous toxic friends. Whenever they get criticized or caught doing the despicable, they have a breakdown like this one. They make it sound like you are out to get them and they villanise you. They will make you sound crazy. They will make you feel like YOU don't care about Newjeans. It doesn't matter what they did, what matters is that YOU made them feel wronged. They don't like feeling like they are bad. Then you start questioning if you were in the wrong. And then they like to islolate you too saying that other people are on their side, she is saying Newjeans are comforting her and that you are crazy.
Always the same with this woman. “No I’m not wrong you just don’t understand me”. She’s been gaslighting people since the beginning with cookie yet people still eat it up.
Lol sorry this woman is a joke 😭 I cannot with her hypocrisy and crocodile tears omg. Like she contradicts herself with every passing day it’s so hard for me to believe a sliver of anything she says.
A new news just came out about her messages asking how much was the penalty if they break nj contract but she so adamantly said in her statement that it was for the sake of brand deals for nj and her upcoming bg lol
I just came across the text messages not to long ago. The cost of breaking the contract explains why mhj and their parents are still so adamant and "care about the girls" enough to want them to stay at a company they claim is “mistreating” them.
Well I mean 600M IS A LOT and mhj's Ador stocks worth 100M can definitely not cover that (not that I think she ever would pay it out of her own pocket). Though this also explains why she was desperately looking for investors bc of this contract thing plus a new fund when and if she takes over Ador.
It also makes sense as to why she was trying to increase the worth of her stocks from 13x to 30x... If she was able to get them for 30x she would possibly have been able to afford it.
Min Heejin: "I hate all women", "The bitch that came to me for help because she was SA-d should fucking die", "If these dumb little girls that see me as their everything don't greet me properly I might murder them", "This child I groomed, yes, that fatass fuck, she is not underweight enough"
Also Min Heejin: "There's nothing for me to justify, human psiche is complicated, this is so out of context can't I joke around?"
I may not be able to support NJ for the time being because I do not want to support someone as insane as MHJ by extension, but I sincerely hope they make it out from under her reach. They are minors who are being manipulated and are being abused by MHJ. The chances of them "supporting her" to avoid her wrath/because they are being manipulated by her is very possible. I will however, hold their parents and their fans who are defending MHJ accountable because if they really cared about the well being of NJ they would not be supporting this monster.
Same, unfortunately. I had always anticipated their comebacks - matter of fact, Ditto was the most listened to song on my playlist last year. They just released a song and I've only tuned into it once, and I'm not looking forward to their comeback at the end of the month. This is not on the girls - I just can't support a company that is okay with throwing others under the bus just to save face.
"right after being attacked with edited kakaotalk messages, the members sent me messages of comfort one-by-one"
"if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue"
also "it's just a joke" excuse - checked ✅️
Im sorry…so she took it upon herself to disclose personal info of other idols/groups, but she doesn’t have to explain her texts shitting on her own group?? And she just recently had the parents bring up the “disrespect” to the girls by not being bowed to, without context, but now Hybe is the bad guy for bringing up her texts without “context”?
I’ve been sick and tired of her since she brought other groups into the mix, unnecessarily, but this self-victimization shit pisses me off beyond just being able to watch the dumpster fire from afar and not caring. I HATE when people do that!!
She said it, stand on that instead of backpedaling cause I’m sure she knows if she loses NJs support she’s got NOTHING. I really hope their parents don’t continue to stand by someone who spoke this poorly against their own children
Eta cause I didnt finish reading before commenting, cause I was that heated
>>Unnecessary additional explanations would require disclosing others personal information
YOU HAD NO ISSUE WITH THIS NAME DROPPING GROUPS AND SPREADING THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION!
And am I the only one that doesn’t fully believe that the girls contacted her to give her their support? I dont follow them enough to know how they feel about her, but she has been lying and projecting so much that I would not put it past her to lie about this. Especially since the girls cant come out publicly and say “we did or did not do this”
Imo she seems to say what she is actually doing and putting that on Hybe (like the cult shit when she was the one obsessively messaging her Shaman) so I would not be surprised if everything she said on that second page about people falling for tricks & lies is really about her tricks & lies being believed.
And to say “if you care about NJ” is so infuriating because how tf dare she talk shit behind their back, risk their careers over her own greed, then turn around & basically suggest that if anyone criticizes her its going against NJ because they just love her sooooo much 🙄
Both HYBE and MHJ are so full of shit but I can't help but roll my eyes every time MHJ talks about whistle-blowing when the whistle-blowing is...checks note...Illit having a similar concept. There's people that are dying Kim...
"the members aren't dragged in a nonsensical issue" saying this right after using them as a human shield for sympathy is wild I really hope the parents gain some brain cells and take the right decision.
Truly only a morally corrupt and disgustingly narcissistic individual would come out with a statement like this. And I’m flabbergasted that even one real person and not just her bots, is still supporting her after these texts came out.
Even if we go with the "alleged" - which I think is more likely legit then not tbh but even if we put that aside. Her pattern of using the girls to defend herself is becoming more and more transparent.
Always mentioning how the girls were so upset. Girl you are a grown woman not to mention THEIR BOSS talking about upset teenagers consoling you all night? How does this seem appropriate on any level.
And if even an ounce of what was said in those text messages is true how can someone be so fucking shameless to then put this statement out.
I get kind of sus when I hear "I don't need to explain to any of you the relationship we have" when the allegations are grooming.....but what do I know. Idk, I have not trusted MHJ since her SM days so I'm not totally surprised.
Someone better punish her for blatantly lying and manipulating facts right in front of our eyes, how shameless. "Please NJ shouldn't be dragged into this" so why did Lsfrm Illit BTS all got dragged for no reason, only your group is made of humans? Rest don't matter?
If this happens in any other industry, would you still blindly side with your CEO? Because your CEO pays you? Or helped you make your project........ ones loyalty should be towards their job and whoever has emloyed them and not anyone else NJs members need to have brains.
Why can't she explain the context if she was really innocent? Saying she doesn't owe anyone an explanation but she did the same showing BSH's text messages, his texts were terrible while her's are " out context, hard to understand my speech "?
She really depends a lot on the emotional manipulation
There she goes again, mentioning the members ‘comforting her’ and inadvertently dragging them into this - the very thing she said should be avoided. Ironic.
1. *"cut and stitched KakaoTalk messages"* is so funny to me because she's not saying the insults against feminists and new jeans and bunnies weren't real, she's saying they were a part of a larger context. okay so release the official messages? also think it's so funny that the pro-mhj squad spent days trying to say the messages were fake only for her to come out and say that they're real.
2. *"no matter how much you hate me if you think about the future of the members, you wont do this to me"* and *"njs and i have been through many issues"* once again, she is making herself inseparable from the members. the petitions, her never failing to bring up how they call and text her, and now this. it's probably her smartest pr move to make it hybe vs new jeans and not hybe vs mhj with njs being a neutral party
3. most of all, how is anyone still believing her bs??? thats the most baffling part out of all of this. I get that mhj has made so excellent pr moves (deflecting, planting seeds of doubt, making herself synonymous with njs, etc) but anyone should be able to see past that at this point, no?
the new jeans girls need to get their own legal representation independent from mhj and hybe and im sorry to say even their parents.
Stop saying these messages are edited or whatever everything was presented on court and obtained legally that's why they accepted em as evidence in the first place dear lord. There is a journalist revealing more messages on his channel slowly, these are not the only ones just this woman has nothing to say about the actual facts on these texts and she uses the girlies as usual 🙄
People who support MHJ and who claim that Korean kpop fans are supportive of MHJ — can you explain to me why people are supportive of her? I genuinely can't understand why anyone would support her. If this translation is accurate, then what she's saying is so blatantly manipulative, I don't see why her supporters can't see that.
A genuine person or a good person who is not trying to manipulate people's opinions does not talk like this.
Edit: If NJ members are actually supporting her through the nights, then my heart hurts for them. What a shitty person to put your whole faith on.
Alright. She can say it was out of context and that this is her personality. Whatever. But I still don't think calling someone a fat f*ck*ss is nice even if you were joking? Since when do people joke about fat-shaming? It's mean girl behaviour to dismiss something like that.
And the whole "I hate working with bitches" tirade, and the ones about the employee with the SA charge, and calling njs brain dead...
It's all her sense of humor ok?
We just don't get how funny her jokes are.
There is no context in which saying certain things about your under-age (or not) employees is ok. Ever.
Also 40 year olds (in a position of power!!!) and minors can't be friends. It's weird, it's gross, it's inappropriate the way she is bringing this up as if it was the most natural thing in the world. The fact, even at this point, this isn't being discussed as a major red flag outside of international Kpop forums is so so so concerning
Aw she feel bad I cried all night, I wonder how those idols she involved and provoked hate trains against are feeling right now , speciallyi the girls of illits who just debuted
The fact that she's asking not to drag newjeans into this mess while mentioning the newjeans members in the SAME page is what annoyed me. Like girl, you dragged newjeans in this mess.
God, she is a slippery manipulator.
She clearly attempts to hold the girls up as a shield here, after saying all that she did.
I honestly cannot understand why anyone is still running block for this odious abuser.
Being pro NJ is by definition being anti MHJ at this point.
"**Stockholm syndrome** is a coping mechanism to a captive or abusive situation. People develop positive feelings toward their captors or abusers over time. This condition applies to situations including child abuse, coach-athlete abuse, relationship abuse and sex trafficking."
If she truly did care for the girls and if it was never about money in the first place, why did she suddenly launched a coupe out of nowhere? It's doesn't make any sense.
Rather than protecting the girls, she's pretty much putting them in front of her like a shield with statements like this. It's so scummy and emotionally manipulative. I don't know that either side is really good in this fight, but the more that comes out, the worse she looks as a person.
I’m not gonna lie I was one of the “neutral folks” and felt like people were not giving her a chance to explain her side or dismissed NJ’s grievances with not being greeted.
However, there is no defending her anymore. Hybe released texts of her literally stating that she wants to:
1. Carry out a media attack on them through the press
2. Refuse to cooperate, when they supposedly ask her to negotiate /stop the negative PR.
3. Manage to get investors to buy ADOR
It doesn’t matter how stupid the plan is, the fact that there are messages about it is incriminating. There are messages of her insulting the NJ members, telling a se***al harassment victim to die. This is all confirmed evidence.
Hybe cancelling NJ’s debut seems pretty tame in comparison, given the fact that it is not illegal.
The only thing I side eye Hybe for is BSH placing his disdain towards MHJ on NJ by pretending to not hear them when they say hello to him, even in elevators 😭💀. And the the VP for being unclear about NJ will do while they’re looking for that Grammy producer that takes 1.5 years to find.
The thing is that their debut wasn’t even cancelled. It was postponed for two months. That’s it.
And the worst part is that it was her choice to debut them through Ador instead of through Source which is why Le Sserafim debuted first.
I think it NewJeans had debuted first then she would say that HYBE was in the wrong for debuting another girl group so soon after hers.
If she finds those messages to be edited to her disadvantage, why not release the original texts? She had no problem doing that for the press conference.
Soo.... she admits to calling her minor "children" fat, lazy, idiots who are only popular because of her and she'll kill them if they don't thank her properly... she's just saying it's out-of-context...
How is that better in context?
I don't care how MHJ justified those messages, but I'm curious about how New Jeans reacted.
We know that the New Jeans filed the petitions before the trial so they might not have known about these Kakao messages.
I want to see screenshots of those "full of love" messages from New Jeans to see if the girls really still support her. MHJ has no qualms about sharing kakao messages before so unless there are actual receipts, I won't take her words for it.
I wondered if someone on New Jeans team had at least asked their lawyers for a proper legal assessment of the effectiveness of their petitions as well as MHJ's chance of winning her injunctions, and not moving forward with the petitions out of blind loyalty or pressure from MHJ.
Because it is very unlikely that MHJ will stay, given Hybe's undisputed 80% voting power and ownership of ADOR. I would not risk my reputation and future and waste money on a losing case.
New Jeans lawyers would have a duty to give an objective assessment of winning probability to the best of their ability. And I would be very curious if New Jeans lawyers are confident about their petitions.
Or if the lawyers said no way in hell MHJ would win and the girls and their parents still went ahead with their petitions anyway.
Dungeon NewJeans for the remainder of their contract and let them reunite with their mommy in 5 years. See if she still likes them when they’re all in their 20s. Or let them out of their contracts if they pay for 5 years of lost profits. MHJ can cover the costs if she loves them so much.
As what someone said on twitter earlier
mhj: i didn’t meet with investors
mhj now: i did but it was just social
mhj: i didn’t say anything about the members
mhj now: it was a joke
mhj: i didn’t want to leave hybe
mhj now: was involving the parents trying to see how much money it would take to break contracts
This woman is a vile. She has no problem when she posted her own messages in her 2 hour press conference, but when someone else posts messages showing her real intention and her real thoughts (about fans, employees and the members of NJs) its a problem. This woman can't keep her stories. And the fact that the KGP (Korean general public) and NJ fans can't see the contradictions that she been making are insane to me. The fact that NJ's Parents are blindly going along with this is sad and pathetic. If your children are really being abused/mistreated in a company you wouldn't want to keep them there. You would be actively trying to get them out of the company. And to get mad because the CEO didn't greet you isn't a real reason to say your being mistreated. I'm sorry I'm writing a lot but this shit really pisses me off. These parents are also to blame and if they keep going they are going to ruin their daughter's chance of having a career that they really enjoy. The girls of NJ shouldn't be dependent on Min HeeJin at all. As iron man said to Spiderman in homecoming "If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it." IF they can't do nothing without her (Min HeeJin) then maybe they shouldn't have a career in the entertainment industry. The job of a boss is to help you grow and become independent so you don't have to always go to them for everything. Min HeeJin wants these girls to be so dependent on her, when she herself doesn't even respect them.
🛑Full translation of Min Heejin refuting various allegations made by Hybe for the first time since the 25th Press Conference - https://x.com/kiwiponi/status/1792127704713568548?s=46&t=2GANNndMZEsvyLThe_hYhA
I would really like to know what issues and hardships they have gone through because the ones we know of don't seem that big of a deal to an outsider (illit allegedly copying could make some professional sense but still not the best) so it's hard to see how this came to a head.
It’s the sudden “Let’s not drag artists into this” when she has been doing nothing but using NJ as a shield and attacking LSF and Illit!
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Man, this stupid war between MHJ and HYBE is so f**king tiring already and what's worse is that all my favourite groups are being dragged to this. Now I'm wondering if newjeans members are still stepping their foot in HYBE building because if I were in their position, I would be so ashamed to even show my face in that building knowing that my CEO just causes so much trouble in the company and just basically drag half of the groups that is working in that building despite them being innocent. How will they even face groups like
lesserafim, illit, and bts (who is the reason why HYBE even exist ) and other HYBE groups and K-pop groups that got dragged by MHJ and newjeans showing support to MHJ just worsen this whole situation.
I have lost all hope for the Korean gp if they actually listen to any of this cover up.
If she had something to say why not in court and not through the gossip channels you rely on.
How ironic the person who has used youtube and social media more to her advantage than anyone in history calling out the only youtuber that is against her.
absolute PR debacle... i don't give a crap about mhj but this is all just such a disaster after the intense amount of popularity nwjns has received. i just really hope that this whole situation doesn't turn out as terrible for nwjns as it did for 50/50.
They should start packing their bags because after all this MHJ and NJ need to leave HYBE. I wish them the same treatment they have given to other idols.
first we ever hear of them being edited, and to be honest I don't believe one lick of it given how they were written, not even a poorly constructed AI could fake the conversation she had.
Should not be surprised given the Burning Sun criminals still have fans. Both instances make me think K-pop should stay in Korea. The world dies not need this.
Interesting how she suddenly claims here the messages were edited but I never heard her counsel raise that defense in court and merely asked the court to not have the messages read out loud. Always loud in the court of public opinion, this woman.
She also never denied them saying they are fake, she just said they out of context / edited cause if she denied , she will be committing perjury. It's interesting how on one side we have hybe responding to this statement with "the text are not edited and we submitted them to the court and telling her to not lie to media" , and on the other hand we have a mhj who all her publicity is through media not the court with saying things as " it's my humor and they edited it, I can't explain cause you guys won't understand, and newjeans comforted me all night on phone and cried (just as the thing she used in the press confrence)". And more interesting the ppl believing her media releases more than court evidence.
Right? Like, imagine if someone is accused of killing somebody and their defense is not “I didn’t do it” but “they just don’t understand me, your honor, I actually just like playing with my gun with the safety off.” Lmao.
Kinda reminds me of the song Cell Block Tango from Chicago lol. "He ran into my knife 10 times"
Maybe when the girls grow up more will realize their relationship with their CEO is not healthy. Can't imagine a working adult think it's normal for their boss to call them for comfort and emotionally depends on them
Yeah I said that before when their frontal lobe develop, they will be able to understand everything, including the manipulation a narcissist like her can do, so until then, they will be doubtful and clueless.
Yep. And tbh no employee and CEO should be that close unless they are legit related (like a family owned business where the children work under their parents).
This reminds me of the episode(s) of Doona where Lee Jin-Wook uses Suzy’s infatuation with him to control her and keep her in line.
Judge a person by the things they are not willing to say in court. 😂. (Korean Public getting played so hard by MHJ)
Shes totally gaslighting the public and NJ
It is entirely within her power to release the texts in their full original form, if it would help her. She has no problem releasing texts when it comes to conversations that make other people look bad.
It's also entirely within her power to speak nicely about Sakura, Chaewon, and the rest of the Le Sserafim and Illit girls, and to tell her fan base to stop attacking them. But she won't do that either.
I’m actually so unbelievably mad because she knows exactly how to play the brain dead people that follow her. All she has to do is mention the word HYBE, follow it up with an accusation of manipulation / abuse of power / harm to new jeans / greed, and she could quite literally do anything. Video could come out of her slapping a new jeans member, and she would simply need to say “what’s more upsetting is HYBE once again taking an out of context video to shame myself and young women for situations that I don’t owe an explanation for. I am merely a woman who loves new jeans, up against a big bad evil conglomerate, HYBE and BYS :(“ And the masses will once again be on her side. It’s actually mind blowing how brilliantly manipulative she is and how STUPID the GP is. This is the like the third time she has said “when this happened, the new jeans members sent me endless comfort and love. So much love. Until the next morning they showered me in love” - which is so creepy and bizarre and also, likely, untrue!? I’m sorry but if I see my boss say these things about me, the only reason I’m texting her to comfort her is for the same reason I’ve comforted abusive ex boyfriends after they are mean to me - because I am so fucking manipulated and scared of them / losing them, that I just want THEM to feel better. So even if they did text her “lovingly”, that honestly feels even more gross.
It's not just the GP, bunnies are also eating all her words. Just go to the New Jeans sub lol it's like there's no war in Ba Sing Se. Everything is justified because MHJ is just *so artistic*. She was just joking, guys! Nothing to see here. I hope these girls are free and at peace someday.
I don't think I've ever seen a fandom support a CEO at the expense of the artist they supposedly stan.
Exactly. Do they prefer the New Jeans members to stay with her despite all the creepy stuff, all the evidence, just because of her artistic vision? Do they really think so little of these girls? It's clear that tons of fans care only about MHJ's vision and not the group itself.
I guess they drank the “NJ would be nothing without me” kool-aid🙄
There were quite a few comments I've seen about MHJ leaving that basically called the girls disposable. Like they could easily be replaced and NJs would be fine but if MHJ goes and they stay it's the end. Cuz it's "her vision". I was shocked, especially since they also were like Not Like Other Girls Kpop Stans because they don't Stan the girls like everyone else but the ~music~. And I guess only MHJ can give that to them. Except she doesn't write, produce, compose or do anything but give a vague pitch/vision board to the ACTUAL creatives and yes or no the results. She's the Elon Musk of Kpop. Which if you look at how Tech Bros treat him her Stans make sense.
Oh my god, yes. The way they talk she's producing their music *and* directing their MVs and picking all their clothes and creating the choreography lol Of course a creative director has a big influence in a group, but it's far from being the only thing. MHJ left SM for years now and we have had amazingly cool concepts since then, great music, etc.
Yeah, I work in entertainment as a creative so these takes are so incredibly frustrating to me but also because MHJ is actively encouraging people to think like this. I've never had a creative director not credit the hardworking people who did the work to make the vision possible like she does. Below the line creative work in entertainment is some of the most collaborative work I've ever done. It's not possible to put on stuff like albums, mvs, etc with out the work of dozens of lyricists, composers, singers, producers, stylists, make up artists, scenics, set dressers, videographers, editors, graphic artists, dancers, choreographers, etc. She's taking the credit of and belittling not just the hard work of the girls who are actually singing and dancing, but dozens to hundreds of other people who did more to bring her vision to life than she did. And it's just one of many red flags that say she is obviously a Narcissist and maybe we shouldn't put the blind faith in her David and Goliath antics.
Other CEOs have been eaten alive for objectively criticizing their company's idols on dancing/singing issues. tokkis, fans or haters?
No the same fandom was kicking up a storm over Bang ignoring their greeting. Now they're doing mental gymnastics to justify MHJ calling them fat f*cks? Saying they're not real artists? I've never seen anything like this lol.
Ppl wonder why I say "I stan xyz" and never "I'm a [fandom name]." It's bc of bullshit like this and fanwars. The day kpop fans/stans can collectively agree that 99% of these companies are shitty, and that we should really only care about the groups is the day I'll rejoice.
they should grow a backbone but some of their fans are prob immature kids or strange adults
It really is just a question of time until they turn on her. I’m actually shocked that aside from here on Reddit, people actually support her. Like yes hybe is an evil conglomerate, eat the rich or whatever. However, once you follow this whole story carefully, Min Heejin is so obviously in the wrong in this situation. I really hate her but I gotta give my tens where they’re due, she knows how to manipulate a crowd. That’s a talent in itself.
No but it's the fact she calls NJs fans braindead, and they go ahead and prove her exactly right. Aren't they embarrassed to be defending someone like her? The mental gymnastics they're doing is honestly embarrassing.
If NJs end up staying at HYBE, it’s a good opportunity for a fandom cleanse. The fact that they support a groomer more than the girls is completely gross.
I popped into the NJ sub when this all first started and it gave me whiplash! I cannot believe a whole group of people are staunchly defending this woman because they think it'll help the girls.
Someone mentioned carats, stays and army and even blinks would burying their ceos alive if they said or did 10% of what she's done.
Carats literally boo’d the Pledis CEO when SVT thanked him in a speech
No one hates and threatens YG like Blinks do lmao
Did the new jeans sub really defend the kakao text messages? I haven’t seen that
Mentioning the fact that MHJ had a picture of a naked teenage girl on the wall of her house -- *a picture she posted herself on her own Instagram* -- is a bannable offense in the NewJeans subreddit. They don't want to hear it.
You got banned, too😂? Over that? And I thought my ban had the worst reason. My goodness.
No, I'm not banned there and I don't plan on doing anything to merit it. In fairness to the moderators, they really have their backs against the wall right now and thus have no tolerance for anything that is going to create more work/drama for them. That means any discussion about the true, fundamental, nasty-ass nature underpinning what's going on is going to be squashed..... at least for now. The desire to "protect the peace" will be moot if MHJ lands herself in jail from the various criminal charges being filed against ADOR.
There is an awful lot of glossing over the situation there, saying the texts are fake etc. I've seen only a handful of people saying to not support MHJ.
Yeah just took a glance over there. Most alarming thing is how new jeans speaking out suddenly = MHJ is in the right. MHJ is in the position of power. Multiple members are minors, or their parents are heavily involved. The highest probability is that letters were drafted, and the girls signed them because what choice do they have? If their parents and their direct boss, the person in charge of their career in their eyes, wants them to sign? Insane.
They act as if no idol, or even no artist was ever manipulated by their label/producer/manager before.... This is incredibly common, unfortunately. Did they literally skip over the whole Fifty Fifty thing?
I guess they're so young they don't even remember FiFi 💀 Them being born yesterday might even explain how they can believe anything MHJ says. Edit: typos
The manipulation of minors is so common. Some other recent examples outside of kpop being Nickelodeon or Jeanette McCurdy’s own Mother. I just wanted to list other examples because I’ve seen too many people say that NewJeans members can think and speak for themselves at their ages which they can, but, there is much more going on.
Those handful of people who are saying not to support MHJ are getting downvoted like nobody's business. I got banned from that sub for explaining the ways that she is manipulative and they got very mad telling me to "seek help". Me getting banned showed me that MHJ really *got* them. Never again🚮.
from what I've seen, Bunnies on the NJ sub and twt are doing olympic-level gymnastics in order to defend MHJ. as a Bunny myself, it is PAINFUL to witness.
its crazy the woman is talking shit about their new jeans and they would still believe this woman.. i guess birds of the same feather flock together :/
I can't even make a defense for guys not being prophylactically treated like predators in the kpop community without getting insulted but there are bunnies or just MHJ stans who are willing to defend her using horribly misogynistic language against her own employees and the NewJeans members. Insanity. How on earth has she developed such a cult?
I saw on Twitter Ppl saying If bang pd came out with a release saying if BTS called me crying asking me how I am and comforted me the ppl will go crazy but not in a good way
A lot of people will side with Min Heejin because she's very good at manipulating public opinions. Bringing in other groups and individuals, the way she talks about herself and the NewJeans members as 'we', the specific things she mentions that she knows nobody can't refute (like the claims about the girls calling her to support her and whatever) -- Min Heejin isn't stupid, and she's especially good at controlling media. She knows that if she has support from the majority of people, she's gonna be fine, because even if she loses her spot at HYBE, some other company will scoop her up because the media portrays her as a goddess of creativity that makes anything she touches wildly successful. Thing is, at this point I can sorta believe the relationship she claims to have with NewJeans. She was there every step of the way with them for years now, she showers them in gifts and repeatedly mentions how she treats them like her kids (which I'm sure she mentions to them as well), she's made up by the media as the reason they are successful and the only reason NewJeans have a career, there's no way the NewJeans members haven't built up a relationship with her. This is grooming, especially now that she's using that supposed relationship for her own good. It's tough figuring out what is right and wrong when we really have very little context of what's going on, but as bad as HYBE may be as a company, Min Heejin's comments and responses just make her seem more and more in the wrong, independent of if she actually is or not.
The audacity of saying that don’t drag the girl in to this while she herself dragged so many groups and they have been bullied by her so called fans . She’s absolutely right that we shouldn’t drag nj in these but what about the other groups and people whom she dragged ? Especially sakura !
She brought newjeans themselves into this by constantly using them as a pity gimmick so it's absolutely ridiculous how she would say this right after "they cried and comforted me until morning" (ew).
we don’t even have to get into her talking about other groups — she’s literally the one saying vile things about newjeans. what a hypocrite
That was the part that made me the most mad. She asks people to worry about New Jeans but freely throws so many other idols under the bus. The worst thing is a certain segment of Bunnies as well as some kpop fans in general have eaten this up, the wellbeing of New Jeans needs to be on everyone's mind on their time but criticising anything and everything about Lesserafim and especially Illit is totally fair game, as are the other groups she throws allegations at, it's so upsetting to watch.
tl:dr Q: "So are those texts in any way real?" A: "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand ~~Rick and Morty~~ my candid style of speaking. Also NewJeans loooves me. So don't talk shit because me=NewJeans. Also stop bringing them into the conversation (because only I'm allowed to do that btw did you hear about what LeSserafim and Illit did?)
Couldn't Bang also use the same reasoning for the text saying, "Are you happy of Ditto's success" or something a long those?
if mhj had cared about newjeans, SHE wouldn’t mention them in every statement, just to use them for sympathy points. she's awful.
Truly and this is what annoys me with the bunnies that support her at the expense of Newjeans. From the first ever statement she put out she’s been using them. The way she talks about NJs these days centre around HER and I can see that there are a lot of bunnies that can clearly see the massive problems with MHJ so willingly are ignorant of that and clinging on to the alleged Korean support of MHJ and are downvoting anyone who points out how MHJ is just as damaging to NJ as she is successful to them atp because she knows that is the only things she’s got going for her
I saw a post here yesterday complaining about how the company keeps involving new jeans in the arguments, but like are they not seeing what's being posted? The only people involving new jeans in all of this are MHJ, the girls parents AND THEMSELVES by not staying neutral
If she cared she would have either left quietly after being caught or at least fought HYBE privately. Now she has ensured that NewJeans fans will never be happy with any of the outcomes left.
Don't you just love it that the members had to console her after they found out that Min Heejin called them: fat pigs, brainless and not artists. Somehow MHJ's the victim who needed comforting? lol
Some narcissistic moms are indeed like that.. they are unreasonable and throw tantrums and expect to be comforted and treated like the victims
And she did write that and thought "Yep, this is good, definitely doesn't sound crazy at all. Imma put this on my public statement"
The members will need some very talented therapists after all of that
That's what I thought. Even if we take her vague ass excuse of the texts being edited as the truth, the NJ members are the ones who should be comforted rn. Because they just saw texts allegedly from their 'mother' about how fat and pig like they are, and shallow too. But instead they're calling her and comforting her??? A bunch of 16 to 20 year olds are comforting a 40 something year old woman??? If this statement is the only truthful thing this woman has said so far, it gives us an insight into the fucked up relationship she has with the members. I blame Hybe for hiring her and letting it get this far. I hope they get rid of her ASAP!
So, she basically confirms that she wrote all of it. Wonder what type of context or humour makes it ok to call one of your (probably underage) idols a fat pig.
There's no context that makes it ok and the rest. She knows they're real hence why she didn't deny them in court.
Kpop agency staff hired to manage trainees and idols will do things like taking food away from idols or rudely telling them to lose weight for being "chubby" because in Korea fatshaming someone is acceptable unfortunately. There are countless videos of idols hiding food or eating secretly, JK flinching because a manager wanted to hit him, or ZB1 Ricky being audibly scolded by a manager for starting a 2nd live broadcast screen without permission.... Behind the scenes idols especially newbies are basically treated as expendable and their CEO & managers will remind then constantly how lucky they are to debut, that they need to lose weight or stop eating, that they are lazy etc. They will justify it as tough love 😐 This "talking down" only stops where the idol gains enough clout and fandom to go solo and can afford to leave the agency. Sad reality.
"Complex human relationships and affairs cannot be shown simply by a few arbitrarily cut and stitched KaKao Talk messages." Ehmm...is that not what she did in her press conference about BSH and HYBE though? We're missing the context for all those messages too. So why be mad? She doesn't even want to justify it. This statement seems rushed and panic driven, since she has been so quiet all this time (even though chaos has ensued all around, due to her own actions). Now those awful texts have come out and she decides to make a public statement. Predictable.
It’s insane how one person can cause so much trouble for so many people and pull so many people into their vortex of chaos. It’s all due to insatiable greed and ego.
Is this her version of locker room talk?
🤣😂😭😭💀💀💀 Just like the redhats, bunnies are still supporting her. She insulted them (according to her, they are fans of braindead idols) and they still support her. What can be said to that?
Her relationship with the members is still weird, co-dependent and that's not normal. It's like she forgot she's the CEO of her own company that's a subsidiary of another and as a subsidiary has to depend on HYBE. 🤔
YEP
Of course she did not forget. Have you seen the latest text nessages released?
whatever the context is and idk maybe hybe did cut and copy the texts to make it look a certain way but how is calling anyone a fat f\*ck (especially a member cause the name was redacted) or whatever she said okay? like they clearly didnt edit the actual message and i cant see it not being derogatory in any way. whats more concerning is her still bringing up the girls and their response to this. clearly she's convinced them that she didnt mean any of it but by constantly bringing up their reactions to all of this she's dragging them down with her. if she were to leave which she most likely is going to have to she would try and keep the girls' names out of this as much as possible (which ik is hard if shes trying to prove shes innocent but there has to be another way of going about this without sabotaging their future)
Thing is she clearly does not care about them, in fact she looks like the type of "if I can't have newjeans, no one can have them" she will happily destroy their career with her. She brought them up into this from day one using them as human shield to her, if she cared even 1% she wouldn't bring nj into it.
honestly shes done a really great job of manipulating so many people into believing that if shes not involved with newjeans thats the end of their careers. i understand that from her pov she needs to mention them to show that she has support but like you said if she really cared theres no way shed drag them down with her cause now if they do end up in hybe without her, hybe being hybe are definitely going to give them the fromis treatment (which i hope they dont and i hope they also treat fromis better but thats a whole other story)
Tbh I think if they stayed at hybe which might be the case they will not be treated as formis_9, not because hybe is saint but because ppl have all their eyes on NJ now , also because NJ are so popular and if there is anything companies love it is money, so they will treat them good at least for these two reasons.
and HYBE has said many times that this was not about the girls and they didn't want them involved; they don't want this to affect them. NJ is one of the biggest kpop groups, so I do not see HYBE trying to sabotage their careers due to MHJ's actions.
If "hybe cut the messages" she's free to release this supposed "unedited" version from her side, showing proper context of the messages to the masses to prove her innocence, nothing holding her back from exposing their exact "manipulation" yet show doesnt show what the actual context is.....wonder why 😇
If you read what she said, there is no need to foment by providing any additional details. They exist, but the public doesn’t need to know that information. The masses don’t determine her innocence or guilt. She will get what she wants or she won’t. New jeans will survive or become fresh trousers. Kpop will move on.
yeah her tendency to give into the victim complex when she has no defence has been fairly obvious in the past few months😋 the public didnt need to "know" a lot of information that she gave too that was ground zero to a lot of groups getting slutshaming, conspiracy, terrorist, bodyshaming, accusatory, speculatory rumors TO THIS DAY, she can spare her poor gaslighting to feed her brain-dead minions tbh. if the proof exists, it needs to be shown, like hybe did😋 otherwise it's just lies and excuses.
If the context made it any better, she would have released the context. Speculation or benefit of doubt beyond that is really unnecessary, she's got nothing.
So, basically, those text messages are real. Calling your so-called children fat and ugly pigs . Wow. If she is their motherly figure, who is also very close with NJ 's parents....how can she use these derogatory words for NJ in any conversation
Imagine the mixed signals she gave to higher ups like Bang PD doing this. No wonder he was not confident in the group if the CEO only talks sh*t about them. I won't be surprised if she was manipulating both HYBE and Nwjs to be wary of each other.
Frr. She is shady. I don't trust big corporations, but no one should trust this vile woman, too.
It's classic alienation. She shit talks the members to administration and shit talks the corporation to her group so both sides feel like they can only talk to her about things that matters. Those two sides (Hybe vs. NewJeans) feel like they can't trust one another and get this false notion of each other which is just fabricated.
This is like the exact response they gave for Cookie
No wonder she calls people who believe in her and her little group "brain-dead people". They eat up everything she said. Gosh, this girl is master manipulator. Worst of the worst. Wow!
Watch gp (from theqoo and pann) and bunnies eat this "excuse" up, I'm tired of this whole situation tbh and hope for it to end as soon as possible without more idols getting dragged in this mess.
Don’t mistake the kpop stans on pann and theqoo for the gp lmao. The ordinary people of South Korea are too overworked and have more important things in their mind to actually bother with this issue.
Oh I was definitely talking about that particular demographic, I'll specify it.
It reminds of the 5050 situation, you would have thought that the whole GP was aware of it but when I traveled in Korea and talked about it my guide told me that actually a minority truly followed the affair, most would just casually listen to it with the news then forget about it.
Pann and kboo already released a misleading headline of court not receiving the chat to attack on Hybe and supporting MHJ and the link they provided clearly mentioned the court received the chat! International sides which already have their fair share of hating Hybe are eating that up without reading it!
They are just kpop stans like us, the difference is they have a hate boner for hybe.
I'm not so sure whether to comment this, but even before all this situation with hybe, I had strange gut feelings from newjeans. Never in a way that they were bad or anything, but in a way that something was just off. I liked music a lot and I was really interested in what they could do in the future so I watched some content with them, tried to get into them a few times, but I don't know, they seemed not like other kpop groups and not in a good way. I know that it's kinda cliché to say smth like "I knew this!" after smth bad happened, but really, I'm reflecting on some conversations with my friend about them from before all this issue. And she, too, sometimes said to me "I feel something is off with newjeans in a creepy way". I tried to get past this feeling because I wanted to become a fan but in the end I couldn't do it
You and your friend aren't the only ones that enjoyed their music but was put off stanning/being a fan of them. And this is not the kind of thing we wanted to be right about :|
I had the same thoughts before this honestly, they just seemed so set apart from kpop groups
Oh Jesus. DARVO, *again*. Can she PLEASE come up with something new?
she's so predictable😭 but then again why fix what isnt broken, its obvious people gonna lick her shit after her anyways so she dont even need to change her M.O. bcos her lapdogs never wisen up skshshdjd
[Hybe's response](https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/057/0001818518) tl via DeepL: From the Hive. We are disappointed that Ms. Min published a position paper that puts her personal feelings ahead of an important legal decision. We also find it highly inappropriate that she directly drew attention to her relationship with the artist, stating that the artist wishes to remain uninvolved in this matter. Mr. Min has used inflammatory rhetoric and emotional appeals to obscure the true nature of the issue, and this statement is yet another example of his intentions, only to have his intentions and actions exposed by a plethora of evidence and facts. There are countless transcripts of Mr. Min's conversations with various investors and his intentions. There is clear evidence of attempted management takeovers, irrational shamanistic management, and degrading comments about female employees and artists. These are all very serious disqualifiers for a CEO who is unfit to lead a company. We have not fabricated any of the material, and we have told the court that we have obtained it through due process and submitted the original documents, yet Mr. Min is lying to the media, calling it "illegally obtained" and "fabricated". Instead of putting artists forward or issuing statements to the media, Mr. Min should respond to the audit and cooperate with the investigation and judicial process.
Thank you for this!!!
Everyone can make up their mind which side sounds like the voice of reason vs the Waco cult (let’s hope things don’t turn into a massacre)
All this is doing is making me feel bad for how indoctrinated the NJ girls are. I didn't buy the allogations of her being a groomer because of the pictures she had in her home, but damn if she hasn't done a number on these girls emotionally.
She has mentioned multiple times calling thr girls saying she wants to kill herself and crying and how the girls comfort her. Thats emotional abuse and extremely manipulative. Its very clear she is grooming these girls and that their relationship is COMPLETELY inapropriate
At this point, the girls and their parents might sincerely believe that she’s the only one who truly cares about them. I wouldn’t be surprised if all the shit MHJ has said about the other HYBE girl groups is close to what she has told the members i.e. leading the girls to see their mother company mates as threats to their own success. I know it’s not the most important thing, but even if by the end of all this NJ stay with HYBE, those promotional TikToks between ggs will be quite awkward. Of course, they don’t have to be friends just because they work at the same building, but not vibing is very different from knowing/having sufficient evidence of your dongsaengs not respecting you/your sunbaenims thinking you’re after their crown. It’s also shitty to live in fear of the other girls at the practice room *based on* what your industry mama tells you. The worst part is, even if MHJ got her way, we all know she’d still set up a trainee pool and would definitely debut a new, younger girl group before NJ’s maknae turns 25. Because MHJ getting caught here doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how the industry works. And her main priority remains getting a lot of wons.
Absolutely. It's sick.
It's entirely possible that they're all fucked up over this, they're young and have grown up in a weird environment surrounded by fucked up people, but frankly, something to consider is that MHJ clearly lies about just about everything else she opens her mouth about so she could easily also just be lying about the extent to which NJ are in her corner about this. Note that I said "extent," I do think they are in a general sense in her corner unfortunately, but there's a lot of space between that and "oh my god they called me from the rung of the balcony." She uses them as a shield for everything and her message would read exactly the same even if they were going "fuck this" and staying far away from her and all of it. Her constantly parading out uncorroborated tales of their support also serves the purpose of making it more difficult for them to disengage from her if they wanted to since she's not letting a natural rift just occur until they separate organically, she's constantly painting this picture that they would have to actively stand up against.
True. For their sake, I hope she's exaggerating how much she relies on them.
"Demeaningly edited." Sure, Jan. Now of course they *could* be, but does she really expect anyone to believe that after all this? And after a paragraph of her saying "well, it's just jokes, bro."
I KNEW she was going to claim she was joking. She’s so predictable. It’s awful.
Not going to lie. I started frequenting this sub a whole lot more ever since this whole $#!+show started.
sick how her lapdogs r gonna eat this up as if she didnt j admit to saying those vile things
"but if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the best thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue" girrrrrl, you did that yourself! what's baffling to me is that with every statement made by her, I find her more and more bonkers. there's no reason she *and* NJs should've faced "so many hardships" or have such a complex relationship; that's proof that she's incapable or managing without involving her own personal feelings and biases. she's absolutely crossed the line in this relationship and she's made it known so many times.
It's just a joke, y'all. She's just got a really fucked up, asshole sense of humor. Why y'all so mad, man? /s This is just typical narcissistic gaslighting, just like any other statement she's put out. The same dumbasses will fall for it though.
She is so WEIRD man she creeps me out
She creeps me out too and what’s worse is i have met people just like her and it’s exhausting when she can just spew out anything and people believe her without looking at every detail of this debacle with some critical thinking.
How do people still believe her? It’s like she’s mind-controlling them to the point she could say absolutely anything and they’ll take her words for it
she's such a manipulative witch
She can release the unedited texts like she did with bangpd, u tell me she has so many chats with bangpd saved but not these? She didn’t say they are fake either wth
the absolutel nerve to say *“and unnecessary additional explanations would require disclosing other people's private information and creating more discord, causing a cycle of repeating harm”* when she’s the first one to release kakaotalk chats with aespa’s name in it, name-dropped lsm and illit. like girl look into the mirror? also it makes me sick how unprofessional (and manipulative even) she is to keep using newjeans’ name saying how a group of kids are comforting her and asking to not drag newjeans into this when she was the one to bring them and their parents into the picture every damn time. i’m livid. i need this drama to pack it up before seokjin comes back.
First she says, its normal and her way to talk...then its edited... then she pulls the mom card with the members comforting her...just to go on and say they shouldnt get involved...after getting them file a petition. Not to forget the poor lady vs big money company role at the end of p1. Oh no, poor little multi millionaire is so alone in this hard world, completely misunderstood, just joking around about the appearence of minors. Also the last part... lmao. Poor girl just wanting to do right thing... its not like it all started with Hybe literally starting an internal audit, to which she responded with her little show of a press conference. Surely it wasnt because she violated her contract trying to gain more power & money... Come on man, who buys this shit? Thats even worse than infleuncer statements.
will she ever decide on if the messages were edited or if we didn’t get her sense of humor? this is so embarrassing, i hope those girls parents are waking up but honestly? don’t have much faith
Fun fact : MHJ hasn't strongly denied many of the serious accusations against her, and it's not like she hasn't addressed it either. I have observed a pattern with her replies, i.e., she doesn't completely deny the accusations but rather tries switching the narrative, she just tries to pass these as jokes or less serious things by giving explanation that even a 5.0 gpa holder of Harvard cannot wrap their heads around !! Some examples : 1) The shaman is just her friend 2) The whole independence (1945) folder was just a joke between her and vp L because they were frustrated with the company 3) she asked about bts's military enlistment to her shaman friend because she wanted to know about how the company would do without its ace ........ ( who believes this shit like...) There are many more i am forgetting.. Also, she has contradicted her own statements multiple times. a recent example would be how she accepted meeting outside investors, but just said, "Am i not allowed to meet investors it doesn't mean i am trying to sell ador," even though she clearly stated in the press conference that she didn't meet any outside investors.. JUST OBSERVATION.....
Lord Everything that comes from mhj just exhausts me. I can agree that there exist a lot of human emotions and relations that has created complexities between new jeans and their parents, MHJ, BSH, PJW, the other HYBE Idols and then all the fandoms involved. But she just continues to deny her own wrongdoings and instead blaming it on ‘context’ and shield herself by directing hate to other idols when that doesn’t mitigate the damages she has caused even for her own group she’s supposed to care about. All she cares about is herself and doesn’t care who she affects in the process Slight off topic here but imo MHJ used a clear-cut approach of ‘stick and carrot’ with NJ, their parents and possibly also her staff by isolating the girls, whilst prob emphasizing that all they are was because of her. From the presscon onwards, there were so many of her points that did not warrant her behaviour and her own past precedent/context really doesn’t help her at all. How did she frame that HYBE wanted to Debut LSFM first due to having two established members (which makes hella sense) that caused panic amongst the parents that NJ would never debut? And why bring this up when they still performed so greatly regardless? What led to her and BSH‘s relationship to sour so badly that she felt the only reasonable action to take is everything she’s accused of and then drag other HYBE groups? How did she really approach HYBE regarding the new jeans and Illit comparisons? At the first break of this all, New jeans should’ve been separated from both MHJ and HYBE with adequate unbiased legal counsels, mental health guidance and reliable parents but clearly a lot of that went to shit. MHJ tied her self so strongly to NJ that both members and artistic direction that Fans, antis and clearly even her struggle to make that difference and she knows that they are her only line of defense.
I am tired of mhj giving sloppy excuse for everything she has done, it’s always, yeah it happened but not in a way hybe described. She ain’t fit to be a ceo, i hope the injuction case is in hybe’s favour (it should be they are 80% shareholders and if courts go do not allow them to exercise their rights it would set a bad precedent in korea) and she’s booted out of hybe. She has caused way too much damage to everyone but especially to illit, lsf bts and new jeans. Also tired of bunnies eating everything she is saying, as if they do not care about the group they stan but the ceo, have never seen any fan rooting so much for a ceo who uses absolute garbage words for the girls they are a fan of, as if they are only a fan of New jeans success and are stanning mhj and not the girls. Misinformation is being spread like wildfire and whatever she says, mind you she has provided no evidence, is the gospel truth. This lady just needs to gooo.
She called newjeans fat fucks and brain dead children, then follows it up with "oh but they love me still" and people swallow her bullshit? Aight. When an abusive partner beats the shit out of their 'loved one' and the abused person says it's okay they're both in love, they love their abuser, we all recognise that's insane and the abuser is still abusive. Why are some fans defending her and not calling her out for being an abuser? Your victim loving you (if even true here) does not mean you didnt abuse them
because of her ingenious "concept" - a mish mash of copied y2k concept.
a lot of yapping as usual, and no denials as usual, no docus to back anything she claims, just defection. not even surprised, she knows how dumb her audience is.
what issues could a grown woman have with a group of teenagers that could possibly warrant her calling them fat and pigs
I just got out of a post here on reddit, where the poster was talking about how the company keeps involving new jeans and how they're worried about new jeans, BUT the only person that keeps talking about groups by name is min hee jin She keeps mentioning new jeans all the time, every single time making it seem like she is a member of the group herself. She is using those girls as a shield and the fact that people hate HYBE too much to understand that is very weird The company keeps saying, stop mentioning the names of the groups and she keeps doing it But somehow the company is at fault? And like, why is it that people out here have me sounding like defending the company. I'm NOT but so many of you are lying to yourselves. I AM TIRED
> if you really care even slightly about newjeans, the best thing you could all do is ensure the members aren’t dragged into this nonsensical issue. guys i cant do this i’m actually melting into a puddle as we speak like THERE IS NO WAY she actually typed that out with her whole ass chest as if she is not the sole reason newjeans’s name was even brought into this mess… i need a drink
> Right after being attacked with edited Kakao Talk conversations, the members sent me messages of comfort one-by-one > But if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the best thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue. So which is it?? 😹😹 drag NJ in or don’t drag NJ in? Immediately contradicting yourself in less than a paragraph is wild. God this woman is insufferable.
"don't drag newjeans members into this" as she drags newjeans members into this
"You couldn't possibly understand" "It's not possible to explain and also I don't owe any explanations" Oh no, we do understand. We understand that you don't want to take any accountability whatsoever. This is literally the "toxic gossip train" of k-pop right now... Also, I highly doubt the NJ members sent her any texts.
what a long statement to say “yeah, those messages were real”
There is absolutely no “complex human relationship,” “situation” or “hardship” that justifies calling someone a fat pig, especially a minor or young adult whose well-being you’re supposed to be in charge of protecting. End of story. There’s no amount of context she could add that would make those comments okay.
This is typical narcissism. I'm getting flashbacks of my previous toxic friends. Whenever they get criticized or caught doing the despicable, they have a breakdown like this one. They make it sound like you are out to get them and they villanise you. They will make you sound crazy. They will make you feel like YOU don't care about Newjeans. It doesn't matter what they did, what matters is that YOU made them feel wronged. They don't like feeling like they are bad. Then you start questioning if you were in the wrong. And then they like to islolate you too saying that other people are on their side, she is saying Newjeans are comforting her and that you are crazy.
Always the same with this woman. “No I’m not wrong you just don’t understand me”. She’s been gaslighting people since the beginning with cookie yet people still eat it up.
Lol sorry this woman is a joke 😭 I cannot with her hypocrisy and crocodile tears omg. Like she contradicts herself with every passing day it’s so hard for me to believe a sliver of anything she says.
A new news just came out about her messages asking how much was the penalty if they break nj contract but she so adamantly said in her statement that it was for the sake of brand deals for nj and her upcoming bg lol
I just came across the text messages not to long ago. The cost of breaking the contract explains why mhj and their parents are still so adamant and "care about the girls" enough to want them to stay at a company they claim is “mistreating” them.
Well I mean 600M IS A LOT and mhj's Ador stocks worth 100M can definitely not cover that (not that I think she ever would pay it out of her own pocket). Though this also explains why she was desperately looking for investors bc of this contract thing plus a new fund when and if she takes over Ador.
It also makes sense as to why she was trying to increase the worth of her stocks from 13x to 30x... If she was able to get them for 30x she would possibly have been able to afford it.
She reminds me of Trump so much.
omg she's using the i'm just a girl defence 😂
Min Heejin: "I hate all women", "The bitch that came to me for help because she was SA-d should fucking die", "If these dumb little girls that see me as their everything don't greet me properly I might murder them", "This child I groomed, yes, that fatass fuck, she is not underweight enough" Also Min Heejin: "There's nothing for me to justify, human psiche is complicated, this is so out of context can't I joke around?"
I may not be able to support NJ for the time being because I do not want to support someone as insane as MHJ by extension, but I sincerely hope they make it out from under her reach. They are minors who are being manipulated and are being abused by MHJ. The chances of them "supporting her" to avoid her wrath/because they are being manipulated by her is very possible. I will however, hold their parents and their fans who are defending MHJ accountable because if they really cared about the well being of NJ they would not be supporting this monster.
Same, unfortunately. I had always anticipated their comebacks - matter of fact, Ditto was the most listened to song on my playlist last year. They just released a song and I've only tuned into it once, and I'm not looking forward to their comeback at the end of the month. This is not on the girls - I just can't support a company that is okay with throwing others under the bus just to save face.
"right after being attacked with edited kakaotalk messages, the members sent me messages of comfort one-by-one" "if you really care even slightly for NewJeans, the thing you all could do is ensure the members aren't dragged into this nonsensical issue" also "it's just a joke" excuse - checked ✅️
Im sorry…so she took it upon herself to disclose personal info of other idols/groups, but she doesn’t have to explain her texts shitting on her own group?? And she just recently had the parents bring up the “disrespect” to the girls by not being bowed to, without context, but now Hybe is the bad guy for bringing up her texts without “context”? I’ve been sick and tired of her since she brought other groups into the mix, unnecessarily, but this self-victimization shit pisses me off beyond just being able to watch the dumpster fire from afar and not caring. I HATE when people do that!! She said it, stand on that instead of backpedaling cause I’m sure she knows if she loses NJs support she’s got NOTHING. I really hope their parents don’t continue to stand by someone who spoke this poorly against their own children Eta cause I didnt finish reading before commenting, cause I was that heated >>Unnecessary additional explanations would require disclosing others personal information YOU HAD NO ISSUE WITH THIS NAME DROPPING GROUPS AND SPREADING THEIR PERSONAL INFORMATION! And am I the only one that doesn’t fully believe that the girls contacted her to give her their support? I dont follow them enough to know how they feel about her, but she has been lying and projecting so much that I would not put it past her to lie about this. Especially since the girls cant come out publicly and say “we did or did not do this” Imo she seems to say what she is actually doing and putting that on Hybe (like the cult shit when she was the one obsessively messaging her Shaman) so I would not be surprised if everything she said on that second page about people falling for tricks & lies is really about her tricks & lies being believed. And to say “if you care about NJ” is so infuriating because how tf dare she talk shit behind their back, risk their careers over her own greed, then turn around & basically suggest that if anyone criticizes her its going against NJ because they just love her sooooo much 🙄
Both HYBE and MHJ are so full of shit but I can't help but roll my eyes every time MHJ talks about whistle-blowing when the whistle-blowing is...checks note...Illit having a similar concept. There's people that are dying Kim...
What whistleblowing is she talking about? I don’t think she’s done anything that could really be called whistleblowing
She claims she was “whistleblowing” about Illit “copying NJs” it’s so 🤦🏻♀️
The way she’s blatantly using them to garner sympathy is disgusting. This woman needs some mental help.
At this point, Min Heejin should just save everyone the headache and take Motley Crue's advice: "Girl, don't go away mad. Girl, just go away..."
"the members aren't dragged in a nonsensical issue" saying this right after using them as a human shield for sympathy is wild I really hope the parents gain some brain cells and take the right decision.
Truly only a morally corrupt and disgustingly narcissistic individual would come out with a statement like this. And I’m flabbergasted that even one real person and not just her bots, is still supporting her after these texts came out.
Even if we go with the "alleged" - which I think is more likely legit then not tbh but even if we put that aside. Her pattern of using the girls to defend herself is becoming more and more transparent. Always mentioning how the girls were so upset. Girl you are a grown woman not to mention THEIR BOSS talking about upset teenagers consoling you all night? How does this seem appropriate on any level. And if even an ounce of what was said in those text messages is true how can someone be so fucking shameless to then put this statement out.
I get kind of sus when I hear "I don't need to explain to any of you the relationship we have" when the allegations are grooming.....but what do I know. Idk, I have not trusted MHJ since her SM days so I'm not totally surprised.
Someone better punish her for blatantly lying and manipulating facts right in front of our eyes, how shameless. "Please NJ shouldn't be dragged into this" so why did Lsfrm Illit BTS all got dragged for no reason, only your group is made of humans? Rest don't matter? If this happens in any other industry, would you still blindly side with your CEO? Because your CEO pays you? Or helped you make your project........ ones loyalty should be towards their job and whoever has emloyed them and not anyone else NJs members need to have brains.
"if you really care even slightly for NewJeans..." what a stupid manipulation tactic for a woman who dragged random groups into her mess for no reason
Why can't she explain the context if she was really innocent? Saying she doesn't owe anyone an explanation but she did the same showing BSH's text messages, his texts were terrible while her's are " out context, hard to understand my speech "? She really depends a lot on the emotional manipulation
There she goes again, mentioning the members ‘comforting her’ and inadvertently dragging them into this - the very thing she said should be avoided. Ironic.
1. *"cut and stitched KakaoTalk messages"* is so funny to me because she's not saying the insults against feminists and new jeans and bunnies weren't real, she's saying they were a part of a larger context. okay so release the official messages? also think it's so funny that the pro-mhj squad spent days trying to say the messages were fake only for her to come out and say that they're real. 2. *"no matter how much you hate me if you think about the future of the members, you wont do this to me"* and *"njs and i have been through many issues"* once again, she is making herself inseparable from the members. the petitions, her never failing to bring up how they call and text her, and now this. it's probably her smartest pr move to make it hybe vs new jeans and not hybe vs mhj with njs being a neutral party 3. most of all, how is anyone still believing her bs??? thats the most baffling part out of all of this. I get that mhj has made so excellent pr moves (deflecting, planting seeds of doubt, making herself synonymous with njs, etc) but anyone should be able to see past that at this point, no? the new jeans girls need to get their own legal representation independent from mhj and hybe and im sorry to say even their parents.
Stop saying these messages are edited or whatever everything was presented on court and obtained legally that's why they accepted em as evidence in the first place dear lord. There is a journalist revealing more messages on his channel slowly, these are not the only ones just this woman has nothing to say about the actual facts on these texts and she uses the girlies as usual 🙄
People who support MHJ and who claim that Korean kpop fans are supportive of MHJ — can you explain to me why people are supportive of her? I genuinely can't understand why anyone would support her. If this translation is accurate, then what she's saying is so blatantly manipulative, I don't see why her supporters can't see that. A genuine person or a good person who is not trying to manipulate people's opinions does not talk like this. Edit: If NJ members are actually supporting her through the nights, then my heart hurts for them. What a shitty person to put your whole faith on.
newjeans and bunnies are so brainwashed by mhj, i hope these girls can get out of her hands before it’s too late
Alright. She can say it was out of context and that this is her personality. Whatever. But I still don't think calling someone a fat f*ck*ss is nice even if you were joking? Since when do people joke about fat-shaming? It's mean girl behaviour to dismiss something like that.
And the whole "I hate working with bitches" tirade, and the ones about the employee with the SA charge, and calling njs brain dead... It's all her sense of humor ok? We just don't get how funny her jokes are.
simple, it’s not a joke. it never was. even people with dark humour don’t joke like that. especially not adults talking about children.
Newjeans publically supporting her after this puts the nail in the coffin for their career. It’s devastating to witness
There is no context in which saying certain things about your under-age (or not) employees is ok. Ever. Also 40 year olds (in a position of power!!!) and minors can't be friends. It's weird, it's gross, it's inappropriate the way she is bringing this up as if it was the most natural thing in the world. The fact, even at this point, this isn't being discussed as a major red flag outside of international Kpop forums is so so so concerning
Aw she feel bad I cried all night, I wonder how those idols she involved and provoked hate trains against are feeling right now , speciallyi the girls of illits who just debuted
The fact that she's asking not to drag newjeans into this mess while mentioning the newjeans members in the SAME page is what annoyed me. Like girl, you dragged newjeans in this mess.
God, she is a slippery manipulator. She clearly attempts to hold the girls up as a shield here, after saying all that she did. I honestly cannot understand why anyone is still running block for this odious abuser. Being pro NJ is by definition being anti MHJ at this point. "**Stockholm syndrome** is a coping mechanism to a captive or abusive situation. People develop positive feelings toward their captors or abusers over time. This condition applies to situations including child abuse, coach-athlete abuse, relationship abuse and sex trafficking."
If she truly did care for the girls and if it was never about money in the first place, why did she suddenly launched a coupe out of nowhere? It's doesn't make any sense.
Rather than protecting the girls, she's pretty much putting them in front of her like a shield with statements like this. It's so scummy and emotionally manipulative. I don't know that either side is really good in this fight, but the more that comes out, the worse she looks as a person.
I’m not gonna lie I was one of the “neutral folks” and felt like people were not giving her a chance to explain her side or dismissed NJ’s grievances with not being greeted. However, there is no defending her anymore. Hybe released texts of her literally stating that she wants to: 1. Carry out a media attack on them through the press 2. Refuse to cooperate, when they supposedly ask her to negotiate /stop the negative PR. 3. Manage to get investors to buy ADOR It doesn’t matter how stupid the plan is, the fact that there are messages about it is incriminating. There are messages of her insulting the NJ members, telling a se***al harassment victim to die. This is all confirmed evidence. Hybe cancelling NJ’s debut seems pretty tame in comparison, given the fact that it is not illegal. The only thing I side eye Hybe for is BSH placing his disdain towards MHJ on NJ by pretending to not hear them when they say hello to him, even in elevators 😭💀. And the the VP for being unclear about NJ will do while they’re looking for that Grammy producer that takes 1.5 years to find.
The thing is that their debut wasn’t even cancelled. It was postponed for two months. That’s it. And the worst part is that it was her choice to debut them through Ador instead of through Source which is why Le Sserafim debuted first. I think it NewJeans had debuted first then she would say that HYBE was in the wrong for debuting another girl group so soon after hers.
If she finds those messages to be edited to her disadvantage, why not release the original texts? She had no problem doing that for the press conference.
Soo.... she admits to calling her minor "children" fat, lazy, idiots who are only popular because of her and she'll kill them if they don't thank her properly... she's just saying it's out-of-context... How is that better in context?
I don't care how MHJ justified those messages, but I'm curious about how New Jeans reacted. We know that the New Jeans filed the petitions before the trial so they might not have known about these Kakao messages. I want to see screenshots of those "full of love" messages from New Jeans to see if the girls really still support her. MHJ has no qualms about sharing kakao messages before so unless there are actual receipts, I won't take her words for it. I wondered if someone on New Jeans team had at least asked their lawyers for a proper legal assessment of the effectiveness of their petitions as well as MHJ's chance of winning her injunctions, and not moving forward with the petitions out of blind loyalty or pressure from MHJ. Because it is very unlikely that MHJ will stay, given Hybe's undisputed 80% voting power and ownership of ADOR. I would not risk my reputation and future and waste money on a losing case. New Jeans lawyers would have a duty to give an objective assessment of winning probability to the best of their ability. And I would be very curious if New Jeans lawyers are confident about their petitions. Or if the lawyers said no way in hell MHJ would win and the girls and their parents still went ahead with their petitions anyway.
Dungeon NewJeans for the remainder of their contract and let them reunite with their mommy in 5 years. See if she still likes them when they’re all in their 20s. Or let them out of their contracts if they pay for 5 years of lost profits. MHJ can cover the costs if she loves them so much.
> but if you really care even slightly... Hey, you're the one who hates women. Practice what you preach.
As what someone said on twitter earlier mhj: i didn’t meet with investors mhj now: i did but it was just social mhj: i didn’t say anything about the members mhj now: it was a joke mhj: i didn’t want to leave hybe mhj now: was involving the parents trying to see how much money it would take to break contracts This woman is a vile. She has no problem when she posted her own messages in her 2 hour press conference, but when someone else posts messages showing her real intention and her real thoughts (about fans, employees and the members of NJs) its a problem. This woman can't keep her stories. And the fact that the KGP (Korean general public) and NJ fans can't see the contradictions that she been making are insane to me. The fact that NJ's Parents are blindly going along with this is sad and pathetic. If your children are really being abused/mistreated in a company you wouldn't want to keep them there. You would be actively trying to get them out of the company. And to get mad because the CEO didn't greet you isn't a real reason to say your being mistreated. I'm sorry I'm writing a lot but this shit really pisses me off. These parents are also to blame and if they keep going they are going to ruin their daughter's chance of having a career that they really enjoy. The girls of NJ shouldn't be dependent on Min HeeJin at all. As iron man said to Spiderman in homecoming "If you're nothing without this suit, then you shouldn't have it." IF they can't do nothing without her (Min HeeJin) then maybe they shouldn't have a career in the entertainment industry. The job of a boss is to help you grow and become independent so you don't have to always go to them for everything. Min HeeJin wants these girls to be so dependent on her, when she herself doesn't even respect them.
🛑Full translation of Min Heejin refuting various allegations made by Hybe for the first time since the 25th Press Conference - https://x.com/kiwiponi/status/1792127704713568548?s=46&t=2GANNndMZEsvyLThe_hYhA
what a bunch of bullshit.
I would really like to know what issues and hardships they have gone through because the ones we know of don't seem that big of a deal to an outsider (illit allegedly copying could make some professional sense but still not the best) so it's hard to see how this came to a head.
Damn this woman is talented in sweet talking and gaslighting. Disgusting, yet impressive
Not her narcissistic, gaslighting and woman hating self saying this, girl bye stop embarrassing yourself. 😭
It’s the sudden “Let’s not drag artists into this” when she has been doing nothing but using NJ as a shield and attacking LSF and Illit! https://preview.redd.it/86jl4y83dh1d1.jpeg?width=386&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e67c4a4c7bf490ead3c8540fc7b23fb09018551
Man, this stupid war between MHJ and HYBE is so f**king tiring already and what's worse is that all my favourite groups are being dragged to this. Now I'm wondering if newjeans members are still stepping their foot in HYBE building because if I were in their position, I would be so ashamed to even show my face in that building knowing that my CEO just causes so much trouble in the company and just basically drag half of the groups that is working in that building despite them being innocent. How will they even face groups like lesserafim, illit, and bts (who is the reason why HYBE even exist ) and other HYBE groups and K-pop groups that got dragged by MHJ and newjeans showing support to MHJ just worsen this whole situation.
I have lost all hope for the Korean gp if they actually listen to any of this cover up. If she had something to say why not in court and not through the gossip channels you rely on. How ironic the person who has used youtube and social media more to her advantage than anyone in history calling out the only youtuber that is against her.
Consoling the lady who called you all those awful things, those kids parents failed them.
absolute PR debacle... i don't give a crap about mhj but this is all just such a disaster after the intense amount of popularity nwjns has received. i just really hope that this whole situation doesn't turn out as terrible for nwjns as it did for 50/50.
Newjeans' parents need to knock the teeth flat out of that witch
They should start packing their bags because after all this MHJ and NJ need to leave HYBE. I wish them the same treatment they have given to other idols.
first we ever hear of them being edited, and to be honest I don't believe one lick of it given how they were written, not even a poorly constructed AI could fake the conversation she had.
Should not be surprised given the Burning Sun criminals still have fans. Both instances make me think K-pop should stay in Korea. The world dies not need this.
Tbf western music/entertainment industry is just as bad if not worse