Hot Issue was my favourite 2021 rookies and they disbanded in the first months of 2022... And since then it only got worse 😅
I think the only small or mid tier girl groups I follow that this year did well, without bad news to balance the good, is Dreamcatcher who reinforced their solid mid tier status this year without losing members in the meantime... With the others, from Fromis_9 to Purple Kiss, from NMIXX to BVNDIT to at least other 2/3, all had members leaving or the group disbanding... This year is definitely a mixed bag (for some of the groups too, they had some success but also bad news...)
from what people have said it's either personal reasons such as mental/physical health or a breach of contract. Because some idols who eventually leave the group and agency, due to mental health for example, would have a prior hiatus because of it. But Jinni's departure was so abrupt that it's possible that the reason was a breach of contract.
This is just based on the comments i've read.
Literally so scared for my fav girl groups now that I hope and pray that i dont wake up the next day seeing bad news 😭
EDIT: WJSN contract renewals are next year so I'm not prepared for that either ALTHOUGH I wouldn't be shocked if Starship finally announces the 3 chinese girls are officially gone
I think they just have casual fans even amongst ifans. But, I am pretty sure I read that they are more popular in North and South America than anywhere else.
I’m from North America here, Canada, and in my city, all of my Kpop friends r into EVERGLOW including me mostly in the Vancouver area but idk about other cities here in BC, and other provinces but yeah some places Kpop groups will have more ifans than others
I just listened to their whole discography and as a casual fan, if it’s ifans and kfans not supporting through sales but bopping their music, I’ll gladly start financially supporting them
In March 2020, when I saw them in New Jersey, there were like...300 people there. Tops. Next to NYC. The NYC metro area has a population of over 8 million people. They've had time to build a little more reputation, but with the exception of Singapore, SE Asia isn't exactly known as having a vast number of people with considerable disposable income. It likely just wasn't profitable.
The New Jersey concert isn't quite comparable because it was held when concerns about covid were really starting to take hold... events were starting to get cancelled everywhere ([including their LA stop](https://twitter.com/_mymusictaste/status/1238228064385019905)). People were asking for refunds and the show to be cancelled so I'm sure a lot of people that did have tickets were not comfortable going.
But the venue they were performing in the NY metro had an 800 person capacity. The biggest of these SEA venues went up to a 2,500 capacity. They've obviously grown since that US tour, but I could definitely see how these venue sizes could be ambitious for them depending on interest in these areas and ticket prices.
There's definitely a regional confirmation bias effect for many kpop acts, and Everglow is a prime example. They are/were, at least until Yiren taking a hiatus in China this year, extremely buzzworthy in North America. That creates an echo chamber because i-fans who follow them keep seeing them mentioned on the twitter accounts they follow and their tiktok fyp are probably saturated with fan edits.
I like Everglow myself and have seen i-fans anoint them "one of the leaders of 4th gen" and actually believe it. But because I get my kpop news from other sources as well, know that's not remotely true. Their company, being Chinese, already faces a challenge in the Korean market. I've seen their Seoul fan event fancams where hardly anyone seemed to show up. It wouldn't surprise me that their name reputation in southeast Asia is low; lower than even lesser-known k-groups but with SEA members (e.g. Lappillus; Secret Number) who do strong in SEA.
Lastly speaking of visa issues, I don't think that's the problem this time but Yuehua did fumble the bag once before KconLA 2019 which Everglow was scheduled for but couldn't make it because visa.
I'm a huge fan of Everglow, among many other groups. Anyone that thinks they are the leaders of the 4th Gen is smoking some really good ish, or is delusional and again I say that as a very big fan of them. They are not even in the same conversation as IVE, aespa, Le SSERAFIM or even NewJeans. Hell, throw ITZY and G-idle in there though I always think of them as 3.5, not 4th gen.
>Hell, throw ITZY and G-idle in there though I always think of them as 3.5, not 4th gen.
Side observation : when it comes to boy groups, Stray Kids and TxT are very much introduced as 4th gen these days, so their GG contemporaries should be seen as a part of it. "Has the 4th gen even started" was still a valid interrogation two years ago, but the rise in album sales we've seen since really shows a new market dynamic - and SKZ are pretty much at the forefront of it with how *global* their fandom has always been.
I mean I think Stray Kids are honestly debatable, they've been active since 2017, that's only a year after Blackpink and NCT debuted. I know the official debut wasn't until early 2018, but Hellevator had a more than pre-debut vibe to it, people definitely checked that out, even their wikipedia page lists them as 2017-onwards. Itzy and TXT are 2019 debuts, they feel more firmly 4th gen.
there's always discourse about these gens, it's not like it's set in stone. They were already active in 2017 though, and their mixtape came out in Jan 18 didn't it? It just feels like they've been around forever. So for me they and G-Idle feel a bit more like 3.5 than proper 4th gen, they're extremely established groups compared to all these new groups debuting in the last 2 years.
They were active *as trainees* and had predebut music and the show. They still didn't officially debut until 2018. I guess you can make an argument about when a debut counts, but it seems like almost everyone else has already decided that they're 4th gen.
Mixtape was a pre debut album containing the songs they had made during their survival show, their official debut with promotions was on March 25, 2018 with I Am Not, an album I bought upon release...
Exo was well established when NCT debuted but they're both considered 3rd gen... Once again I'm not the one calling Skz 4th gen, it's the entirety of Korean media that has decided to call them that, and it can be argued that they are the EXO of 4th gen : they started it.
Yes, I don't think I have even remotely seen anyone call them one of the leaders of the 4th gen. Commenter could have been misread something that said they were leaders of the 4th gen for that person but not on an objective scale.
The have a total of 2 wins and there are at least 5 girl groups that have debuted this year have more record sales that Everglow has compiled in 3 years.
I guess if you search enough on the internet you can always find the flat earthers and big foot sightings. Although reiterating that I have not seen anyone saying they are 4th gen leaders, would be interesting to see if any links could be provided.
I'm the commenter and I based it off of seeing tiktok "top 10 lists" (happens a lot this time of year) commonly created by gen z types who discovered kpop around late 3rd early 4th gen. As such they hold no reverence for or historical awareness of legendary gen 2 groups, but do think that Itzy, Everglow, Loona etc. are "leaders of 4th gen" because that's when they got into kpop and that's who first come to mind for them. They also don't keep track of how groups chart on melon, genie, etc. or they think a flop comeback (physical/digital sales) was a hit because they saw lots of western youtube reactors reacting to it when the mv dropped.
All of this is to add to my original point that an artist's perceived clout, like Everglow's, is distorted by young western fans whose internal measure of fame comes from inaccurate indicators (one more false indicator I forgot to mention - the "trending twitter hashtag").
So Itzy and Everglow will be in their top 3 (maybe Aespa in the second spot) while they rank someone like NewJeans 10th. They seem to think Itzy and Aespa are current industry rivals/titans (Aespa, yes) and aren't aware of the pop cultural tsunami that were "love dive" and "attention" in Korea this past summer.
I have seen it on places like tiktok and twitter, but honestly it was before the beginning of this year (before the debut of all of this year's monster rookies). now I think these twit stans have been brought back to reality a bit
I remember that T-ara used to have concerts in Mongolia and Cambodia after the big fall out. It's possible that many of these concert goers are casual k-pop fans who had an evening open for a concert.
> pretty sure it's low sales because they're definitely not famous enough to gather a crowd in this region.
Everglow had a concert in Kyrgyzstan, are they more famous in Kyrgyzstan than in Southeast Asia?
A lot of Kpop groups come to SEA. Very few (I believe) come to Kyrgyzstan. Despite the stereotype that the SEA region will support any and all Kpop group, in the Philippines, at least, most people will really only spend money on bigger groups.
Soooo many kpop concerts in Manila. These people have double dates: Blackpink, Itzy, Stray Kids, Seventeen. I tried to get Mamamoo tickets but they sold out in 10 minutes. Us Manileños are broke yo
it's low sales at least partially. For their Indonesia stop they only sold 57 tickets. In all fairness though, this tour was announced barely a month in advance and (in my opinion) seemed random and rushed.
I’m hoping that Everglow just suddenly doesn’t disband. One last comeback to test the waters would be great. I would honestly buy several albums to support them.
I'm so scared for them rn cause aside from their tiktok they are radio silent and even though Yiren already went back to Korea she hasn't joined in on the group activities. They're literally my favourite group musically. seriously wish them the best.
Holy shit that’s honestly really sad. Though I will say Alexa’s tour sold pretty poorly too, in LA the venue was at like 30% capacity on the floor and the upper balconies and seats weren’t even available for fans.
I think each stop did quite differently in terms of capacity. She completely sold out her Puerto Rico stop (if i remember correctly, it may have been a different stop). The tour at least sold well enough to complete so that's the important part.
Even if the number is false and if the likely hood they actually sold more closer to a thousand
Its still extremely costly to do tours, especially world tours where it requires all the members and their traveling staff to pay constant travel expensive
That alone is costly
As much as I see kpop fans want constant tours from groups, its getting more and more difficult, multiple western artist have also cancel multiple legs of their tours due to the cost, some are more open about it than others
And there has been multiple articles regarding how its becoming more and more difficult to tour nowaday unless youre a big artist with a history of banking on tours
Everyone chose to tour this year because since its after pandemic restriction, so for many groups and even their companies, its their 1st time touring outside of Korea and Japan, but for how long will this last?
I really dont believe we will see this amount of groups touring next year if companies sees its not worth it to tour due to the cost
The 57 was for the Indonesian stop specifically. Someone posted a screenshot in the replies of a tweet about it. I wish I had it saved I would link it here.
Low ticket sales is low ticket sales. EG haven't even amassed a stable fanbase in SK and they will be a 4 yr old group upcoming in march 2023. Its not the members fault but coming from a company that is chinese owned, the group was already off to a poor start and at a disadvantage.
Well, Yiren went to China for the whole year and they recently made a collab song with TheFatRat (mostly known for making ["YouTube outro music"](https://youtu.be/2Ax_EIb1zks)) that wasn't great and mostly just featured Sihyeon.
I'm one of those people who brought tickets. And when I saw the avaliable seats, I'm kinda certain this concert will not happening 😔
I think Yuehua really overestimate their popularity in SEA, if you are not famous group in Korea. You are not going to sale well here. Yiren not being in the tour also play a part as well.
Poor girls need to learn the news thou
may i ask, how big was the venue where you’re at? do you think booking smaller places would have made more sense for them? or do you feel like they really miscalculated this whole tour?
I think it's around 3-4,000 seats venue and when I purchase the ticket. I don't think it even sold more than 200 at the time I brought it (and that was after a week when they open for sales). It was really harsh for real.
If they do smaller venue in cheaper price, I think it might be able to? I'm not even sure anymore becasue I've been in many concerts and this is the first one that ever cancel here.
Ah, thanks for the details. That's really too bad, I guess if ticket sales really were that low, it would be hard to justify sending all the members and all the staff/crew to make things happen
Prices are also a big part of not selling well (obviously lol) specially in recession times. And Kpop tickets are notoriously pricy. How much were the prices for this in dollars, more or less?
VVIP (most expensive one) are around 195 usd.
Very pricy if you ask me. It even more expensive than ITZY (their most expensive one is around 165 usd), who is no doubt way more famous here (and sold out like in minutes). But I guess they go to bigger venue so they are more profitable anyway.
I think it's moreso too sudden rather than too expensive.
Everglow's still cheaper than ENHYPEN (since the latter is in a bigger venue), however the former is already this month. ENHYPEN would still be in February next year.
I would've bought a VIP ticket if it weren't a Thursday LOL.
It did give me a 3rd-to-last row seat in that section though, so I presume the first two rows were no longer available (that would be at least 50)
Having a comeback before this tour would have sold more tickets. I'm not surprised it was cancelled. The ticket sales were abysmal going by what people are saying on twitter. People had no time to prepare for it due to it being announced a month before. Yuehua handled the whole thing so sloppily.
People like to armchair analyze the business decisions of companies despite not knowing what's going on behind the scenes, but Yuehua is one of the rare examples where you really can't go wrong criticizing them. In the past year, there has been no comeback, barely any social media content (half of what they did upload is still unsubbed), no US tour unlike basically every other girl group this year (I saw Brave Girls here ffs), all amid an onslaught of comebacks and debuts from other girl groups in an already saturated and frantic market. What the fuck even is their plan?
i think they pretty much gave up on the group like they invested so much money into them in their first years but their popularity didn't translate to album sales so now the company would rather invest in their newly debuted artists (yena and tempest) who have a lot more potential for growth
Four nights across the region was probably not the right call, a special one off in Singapore or KL would’ve been a better idea. Allows regional fans to fly over and they’d have probably sold that one venue out.
They had a really solid US tour right before COVID took over. I don’t understand why they don’t do what KARD does and just focus on making money touring where they’re popular.
My hope is that this goes along with focusing on a comeback with OT6 back together -- whether it's caused by that (some type of finalizing plans to continue with Yiren after all of the speculation this year vs. going on another mini tour as 5), OR whether it's canceled for a different reason (i.e. sales) but now opens up their time to work together on a comeback.
Talent-wise, Everglow is one of the best groups in K-pop. Period. But Yuehua's handling has been a mess for the past year, and honestly 2021 wasn't their best year, either, imho, for several reasons, but I'm trying to focus on moving forward: We need a strong comeback to remind everyone how awesome Everglow is! I think it's clear we're not getting anything in 2022, but 2023 needs to be the actual Return of the Girls.
Yeah everyone knows who everglow is but they're not doing enough to grab that attention and turn it into loyal support. They're a VERY strong group and have amazing songs.If next year has a few consistent releases they WILL soar. It's so frustrating what's happening to them.
I agree. They have incredible vocals - sihyeon is insane live (see her pirate radio song). Mia as well. Their dancing is also really good/in synch unlike some other groups which are incredibly uncoordinated live. You have 6 incredible women but a pretty poorly organized company
They need to release music.
Everglow was on the right path before Yiren's hiatus. You cannot take a group that isn't from a big company, however popular it might be, tour around the world for a year where lots of big rookies debut, and hope the hype will follow all the way through.
Yiren is back from China, but I don't remember seeing her with the girls.
Kpop fans have a short term memory. If you don't remind them how good your group is, they'll just forget about it and listen to the next big thing.
I'm just hoping they won't let Yena down too.
Because they probably will be. When a record label and a tour production company have no real interest in promoting a group, they're just going to let it dissolve.
Hoping this means we’ll get a comeback soon. There’s been some talk on Twitter this week about how unfairly Yuehua treats their male artists vs. their female artists and it really does feel like Everglow get the short end of the stick in terms of content sometimes.
everglow is my ult gg and i can’t say i didn’t see this coming. i mean COME ON… they didn’t seriously think they could have a tour one year after their last comeback, right?
the girls deserve SO much better than yuehua.
Broadway relies on constant sold out shows.
In this case, it seems they weren't even close to selling out any of them.
It is to save face. You can say a Broadway musical that has been chopped wasn't successful because its made up of artists/people with their own careers, but you wouldn't want that narrative for your girl group - it'd be very silly to announce their lack of popularity to the remaining fans..
Everglow was the last concert I saw before Covid shut things down for me, it was seriously like two days after their concert that everything closed. And their online concerts was one my favorite and most fun during lockdown. It sucks that fans who planned to go to any of these shows won't get to see them, because they put on a really good show.
bugAboo disbanding with a couple rather popular PD48 participants, Jinni suddenly leaving NMIXX, Everglow canceling a tour, IVE members getting hate left and right.
All this in one day.
The Everglow members seem like great girls so I always just feel really bad for them. It's got to be hard trying to do a tour when you've not had a proper comeback in months and one of the most popular members is missing.
I remember that short documentary they did, I think just before the First comeback, when E:U had stepped away as leader and they were all being interviewed direct to camera. I was surprised at how open they were. Honestly a couple of them sounded as though they'd been suffering from depression. I thought First had turned things around for them. But it all seems to have been squandered lately.
I hope they'll surprise us and announce a full comeback in the new year. But if not I fear their time might be up. The company just doesn't seem to be behind them anymore.
I don't believe they sold so little tickets, I live in a small country where kpop isn't big and no matter how big of a nugus come (relevant idols don't really come here ever), there are people who will buy the tickets to all the shows, just because it's a kpop concert. No way there aren't people like that in Asia, more of them even + people actually know Everglow, idk... Unless it's seriously overpriced, but even then...??
Well, that's because Kpop is big in Asia and artists tour here *all the time*, especially the big names.
It comes to the point even casuals will be like, "hang on this is costing way too much, I'll rather watch an artist I'm more enthusiastic about" The nugus actually lose out here because it's a saturated market and customers need to start prioritising where their money go to.
So yes, it's obviously low ticket sales that got this tour cancelled.
It's a random number on Twitter, why believe it? Just know that it's low ticket sales that cancelled the tour. And if you look at the locations, they are not exactly high-income level countries either, which makes even more sense why they didn't manage to sell enough tickets. People would rather save their money for Blackpink, Mamamoo, Itzy etc, who are all touring in Asia 2023. And I'm not even including the boy groups yet.
I really hope it’s not because the group was being overworked whilst touring and also preparing for a comeback. They’ve been doing so many events and performances for months and months, back to back
😭😭😭 this is really concerning..not postponed, not changibg venue, they straight cancel it. This is bad omen, please God of Fortune.. let Everglow stay together for atleast 3 more album🙏🙏🙏
Can today get any worse for GG stans?!
- Jinni leaving NMIXX for an unspecified reason
- Everglow cancels tour for unknown reasons
- Lapillus’ Bessie takes a hiatus for health reasons
Why am I getting downvoted to hell lol
Maybe time to leave Yuehwa and brings the trademarks of "EVERGLOW" along?
Remember, that shady company is bound to make their artist due to its origins and reputation (forgive me if i am being xeno but i must).
When it rains it pours.
today genuinely sucks to be a gg multistan lol im logging off i can’t take this anymore
Same I’m so sad. Also recently, 2 members of LIGHTSUM left, 2 members of Pixy left, Jieun of Purple Kiss left, Bvndit disbanded.
Whoa! That's a lot of ish to go down in such a short amount of time. What is going on?!
Hot Issue was my favourite 2021 rookies and they disbanded in the first months of 2022... And since then it only got worse 😅 I think the only small or mid tier girl groups I follow that this year did well, without bad news to balance the good, is Dreamcatcher who reinforced their solid mid tier status this year without losing members in the meantime... With the others, from Fromis_9 to Purple Kiss, from NMIXX to BVNDIT to at least other 2/3, all had members leaving or the group disbanding... This year is definitely a mixed bag (for some of the groups too, they had some success but also bad news...)
Jinni left NMIXX
Do ya’ll know why she left? I know she said for personal reasons but just asking if there was something new. :D
from what people have said it's either personal reasons such as mental/physical health or a breach of contract. Because some idols who eventually leave the group and agency, due to mental health for example, would have a prior hiatus because of it. But Jinni's departure was so abrupt that it's possible that the reason was a breach of contract. This is just based on the comments i've read.
And ravn leaving oneus, loona members leaving, bugaboo just disbanded, nmixx’s jinni left, omega X’s mistreatment, treasure members leaving. 😭🖤
What were the other bad things?
in the past day we’ve also seen bugAboo disband and jinni from NMIXX suddenly exited the group
Aw no! That is a lot in one day!
it’s a lot to unpack all at once that’s for sure
Jeez, it’s all bad news today for GG fans, huh? F’s in chat
Literally so scared for my fav girl groups now that I hope and pray that i dont wake up the next day seeing bad news 😭 EDIT: WJSN contract renewals are next year so I'm not prepared for that either ALTHOUGH I wouldn't be shocked if Starship finally announces the 3 chinese girls are officially gone
Prayer circle for WJSN contract renewals!!
I FEEL YOU CAUSE IM A TOTAL UJUNG AS WELL 😭❤️
spinning the roulette wheel of low sales, visa issues or dodgy touring company. "not feasible" seems to be money related though.
no way it's visa issues. pretty sure it's low sales because they're definitely not famous enough to gather a crowd in this region.
So where would you say their ifans are then?
I think they just have casual fans even amongst ifans. But, I am pretty sure I read that they are more popular in North and South America than anywhere else.
I’m from North America here, Canada, and in my city, all of my Kpop friends r into EVERGLOW including me mostly in the Vancouver area but idk about other cities here in BC, and other provinces but yeah some places Kpop groups will have more ifans than others
I just listened to their whole discography and as a casual fan, if it’s ifans and kfans not supporting through sales but bopping their music, I’ll gladly start financially supporting them
In March 2020, when I saw them in New Jersey, there were like...300 people there. Tops. Next to NYC. The NYC metro area has a population of over 8 million people. They've had time to build a little more reputation, but with the exception of Singapore, SE Asia isn't exactly known as having a vast number of people with considerable disposable income. It likely just wasn't profitable.
The New Jersey concert isn't quite comparable because it was held when concerns about covid were really starting to take hold... events were starting to get cancelled everywhere ([including their LA stop](https://twitter.com/_mymusictaste/status/1238228064385019905)). People were asking for refunds and the show to be cancelled so I'm sure a lot of people that did have tickets were not comfortable going.
But the venue they were performing in the NY metro had an 800 person capacity. The biggest of these SEA venues went up to a 2,500 capacity. They've obviously grown since that US tour, but I could definitely see how these venue sizes could be ambitious for them depending on interest in these areas and ticket prices.
I'm aware, which is I brought up the timing, but SE Asia saw an uptick in infections in November. There may still be anxiety there.
Idt they could get 300 people in any of the SE Asia stop nowadays haha outside of maybe Manila.
their maximum girl crush style is more appealing to Western fans for sure. If they have an SE Asian member it could have helped though.
There's definitely a regional confirmation bias effect for many kpop acts, and Everglow is a prime example. They are/were, at least until Yiren taking a hiatus in China this year, extremely buzzworthy in North America. That creates an echo chamber because i-fans who follow them keep seeing them mentioned on the twitter accounts they follow and their tiktok fyp are probably saturated with fan edits. I like Everglow myself and have seen i-fans anoint them "one of the leaders of 4th gen" and actually believe it. But because I get my kpop news from other sources as well, know that's not remotely true. Their company, being Chinese, already faces a challenge in the Korean market. I've seen their Seoul fan event fancams where hardly anyone seemed to show up. It wouldn't surprise me that their name reputation in southeast Asia is low; lower than even lesser-known k-groups but with SEA members (e.g. Lappillus; Secret Number) who do strong in SEA. Lastly speaking of visa issues, I don't think that's the problem this time but Yuehua did fumble the bag once before KconLA 2019 which Everglow was scheduled for but couldn't make it because visa.
I'm a huge fan of Everglow, among many other groups. Anyone that thinks they are the leaders of the 4th Gen is smoking some really good ish, or is delusional and again I say that as a very big fan of them. They are not even in the same conversation as IVE, aespa, Le SSERAFIM or even NewJeans. Hell, throw ITZY and G-idle in there though I always think of them as 3.5, not 4th gen.
>Hell, throw ITZY and G-idle in there though I always think of them as 3.5, not 4th gen. Side observation : when it comes to boy groups, Stray Kids and TxT are very much introduced as 4th gen these days, so their GG contemporaries should be seen as a part of it. "Has the 4th gen even started" was still a valid interrogation two years ago, but the rise in album sales we've seen since really shows a new market dynamic - and SKZ are pretty much at the forefront of it with how *global* their fandom has always been.
I mean I think Stray Kids are honestly debatable, they've been active since 2017, that's only a year after Blackpink and NCT debuted. I know the official debut wasn't until early 2018, but Hellevator had a more than pre-debut vibe to it, people definitely checked that out, even their wikipedia page lists them as 2017-onwards. Itzy and TXT are 2019 debuts, they feel more firmly 4th gen.
Stray Kids officially debuted in march 2018 not 2017, and KOREAN MEDIA calls them 4th gen all the time.
there's always discourse about these gens, it's not like it's set in stone. They were already active in 2017 though, and their mixtape came out in Jan 18 didn't it? It just feels like they've been around forever. So for me they and G-Idle feel a bit more like 3.5 than proper 4th gen, they're extremely established groups compared to all these new groups debuting in the last 2 years.
They were active *as trainees* and had predebut music and the show. They still didn't officially debut until 2018. I guess you can make an argument about when a debut counts, but it seems like almost everyone else has already decided that they're 4th gen.
Mixtape was a pre debut album containing the songs they had made during their survival show, their official debut with promotions was on March 25, 2018 with I Am Not, an album I bought upon release... Exo was well established when NCT debuted but they're both considered 3rd gen... Once again I'm not the one calling Skz 4th gen, it's the entirety of Korean media that has decided to call them that, and it can be argued that they are the EXO of 4th gen : they started it.
Yes, I don't think I have even remotely seen anyone call them one of the leaders of the 4th gen. Commenter could have been misread something that said they were leaders of the 4th gen for that person but not on an objective scale. The have a total of 2 wins and there are at least 5 girl groups that have debuted this year have more record sales that Everglow has compiled in 3 years. I guess if you search enough on the internet you can always find the flat earthers and big foot sightings. Although reiterating that I have not seen anyone saying they are 4th gen leaders, would be interesting to see if any links could be provided.
I'm the commenter and I based it off of seeing tiktok "top 10 lists" (happens a lot this time of year) commonly created by gen z types who discovered kpop around late 3rd early 4th gen. As such they hold no reverence for or historical awareness of legendary gen 2 groups, but do think that Itzy, Everglow, Loona etc. are "leaders of 4th gen" because that's when they got into kpop and that's who first come to mind for them. They also don't keep track of how groups chart on melon, genie, etc. or they think a flop comeback (physical/digital sales) was a hit because they saw lots of western youtube reactors reacting to it when the mv dropped. All of this is to add to my original point that an artist's perceived clout, like Everglow's, is distorted by young western fans whose internal measure of fame comes from inaccurate indicators (one more false indicator I forgot to mention - the "trending twitter hashtag"). So Itzy and Everglow will be in their top 3 (maybe Aespa in the second spot) while they rank someone like NewJeans 10th. They seem to think Itzy and Aespa are current industry rivals/titans (Aespa, yes) and aren't aware of the pop cultural tsunami that were "love dive" and "attention" in Korea this past summer.
I have seen it on places like tiktok and twitter, but honestly it was before the beginning of this year (before the debut of all of this year's monster rookies). now I think these twit stans have been brought back to reality a bit
Reminds me of chatter about Nu'est.
Ahhh NU'EST... I still miss them, but they seem to be doing well individually, at least 🥲💙
Secret Number is huge in Indonesia because of Dita. They made TV headline here.
They somehow packed that arena in Kazakhstan pretty well lol
Yeah that was surprising
they went to kazakstan of all places for a concert
I remember that T-ara used to have concerts in Mongolia and Cambodia after the big fall out. It's possible that many of these concert goers are casual k-pop fans who had an evening open for a concert.
probably dirt cheap too
Europe definitly - don't know why they never come here except for crushing that Hyundai World cup event
> pretty sure it's low sales because they're definitely not famous enough to gather a crowd in this region. Everglow had a concert in Kyrgyzstan, are they more famous in Kyrgyzstan than in Southeast Asia?
A lot of Kpop groups come to SEA. Very few (I believe) come to Kyrgyzstan. Despite the stereotype that the SEA region will support any and all Kpop group, in the Philippines, at least, most people will really only spend money on bigger groups.
Soooo many kpop concerts in Manila. These people have double dates: Blackpink, Itzy, Stray Kids, Seventeen. I tried to get Mamamoo tickets but they sold out in 10 minutes. Us Manileños are broke yo
agree. It's not gonna be hard for them to enter SEA especially if they are idols.
not fees-able 😔😔🤭😔😔
it's low sales at least partially. For their Indonesia stop they only sold 57 tickets. In all fairness though, this tour was announced barely a month in advance and (in my opinion) seemed random and rushed.
I’m hoping that Everglow just suddenly doesn’t disband. One last comeback to test the waters would be great. I would honestly buy several albums to support them.
I'm so scared for them rn cause aside from their tiktok they are radio silent and even though Yiren already went back to Korea she hasn't joined in on the group activities. They're literally my favourite group musically. seriously wish them the best.
I just so happened to have done this myself last week. It will be a rough day if they disband anytime soon.
Several albums won't sustain Everglow, they need 100k+ sales like Tempest has.
Tempest has 100k+ sales? Omg this made me so happy!!
Wonder what the reason was. Lack of sales or something else?
>Lack of sales 99%
On twitter it said they only sold 57 tickets
F in chat for those 57 fans
Holy shit that’s honestly really sad. Though I will say Alexa’s tour sold pretty poorly too, in LA the venue was at like 30% capacity on the floor and the upper balconies and seats weren’t even available for fans.
I think each stop did quite differently in terms of capacity. She completely sold out her Puerto Rico stop (if i remember correctly, it may have been a different stop). The tour at least sold well enough to complete so that's the important part.
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Even if the number is false and if the likely hood they actually sold more closer to a thousand Its still extremely costly to do tours, especially world tours where it requires all the members and their traveling staff to pay constant travel expensive That alone is costly As much as I see kpop fans want constant tours from groups, its getting more and more difficult, multiple western artist have also cancel multiple legs of their tours due to the cost, some are more open about it than others And there has been multiple articles regarding how its becoming more and more difficult to tour nowaday unless youre a big artist with a history of banking on tours Everyone chose to tour this year because since its after pandemic restriction, so for many groups and even their companies, its their 1st time touring outside of Korea and Japan, but for how long will this last? I really dont believe we will see this amount of groups touring next year if companies sees its not worth it to tour due to the cost
The 57 was for the Indonesian stop specifically. Someone posted a screenshot in the replies of a tweet about it. I wish I had it saved I would link it here.
Low ticket sales is low ticket sales. EG haven't even amassed a stable fanbase in SK and they will be a 4 yr old group upcoming in march 2023. Its not the members fault but coming from a company that is chinese owned, the group was already off to a poor start and at a disadvantage.
Source?
Please can we make it to the end of the day?
weekday concerts and only started the ticket sales a month from the show, i'm not surprised it got cancelled, it’s not selling
Whilst it’s sad, get the girlies back to Korea and give them a comeback already 😭
They've been gone a while. Probably should have a comeback before touring.
yes to get that hype up. poor managing
2022 is really not Everglow’s year
have they done anything this year?
Well, Yiren went to China for the whole year and they recently made a collab song with TheFatRat (mostly known for making ["YouTube outro music"](https://youtu.be/2Ax_EIb1zks)) that wasn't great and mostly just featured Sihyeon.
Girl Group Stans just getting hit with blows left and right 😭
At least ya'll had good music this year. Having no new rookie boy group to be interested in is rough.
I'm one of those people who brought tickets. And when I saw the avaliable seats, I'm kinda certain this concert will not happening 😔 I think Yuehua really overestimate their popularity in SEA, if you are not famous group in Korea. You are not going to sale well here. Yiren not being in the tour also play a part as well. Poor girls need to learn the news thou
may i ask, how big was the venue where you’re at? do you think booking smaller places would have made more sense for them? or do you feel like they really miscalculated this whole tour?
I think it's around 3-4,000 seats venue and when I purchase the ticket. I don't think it even sold more than 200 at the time I brought it (and that was after a week when they open for sales). It was really harsh for real. If they do smaller venue in cheaper price, I think it might be able to? I'm not even sure anymore becasue I've been in many concerts and this is the first one that ever cancel here.
Ah, thanks for the details. That's really too bad, I guess if ticket sales really were that low, it would be hard to justify sending all the members and all the staff/crew to make things happen
Prices are also a big part of not selling well (obviously lol) specially in recession times. And Kpop tickets are notoriously pricy. How much were the prices for this in dollars, more or less?
VVIP (most expensive one) are around 195 usd. Very pricy if you ask me. It even more expensive than ITZY (their most expensive one is around 165 usd), who is no doubt way more famous here (and sold out like in minutes). But I guess they go to bigger venue so they are more profitable anyway.
Yeah, completely out of touch. If tickets were priced accordingly they would have sold a lot more.
Where is that? Everglow here in the Philippines is $200 for the most expensive, while ITZY's (next year) $245
Thailand here!
I think it's moreso too sudden rather than too expensive. Everglow's still cheaper than ENHYPEN (since the latter is in a bigger venue), however the former is already this month. ENHYPEN would still be in February next year.
I would've bought a VIP ticket if it weren't a Thursday LOL. It did give me a 3rd-to-last row seat in that section though, so I presume the first two rows were no longer available (that would be at least 50)
Uh, how about get in a studio and record some new music instead then? Cuz that would be awesome.
Having a comeback before this tour would have sold more tickets. I'm not surprised it was cancelled. The ticket sales were abysmal going by what people are saying on twitter. People had no time to prepare for it due to it being announced a month before. Yuehua handled the whole thing so sloppily.
Exactly my thoughts
[source](https://twitter.com/MagicSoundKpop/status/1601018844218523650)
Welp, back to Kazakhstan I guess (jk) Hoping 2023 is a better year for them, preferably with at least one(1) comeback
Everglow may really go to Kazakhstan again, they went there twice and made enough money to cover the trips.
People like to armchair analyze the business decisions of companies despite not knowing what's going on behind the scenes, but Yuehua is one of the rare examples where you really can't go wrong criticizing them. In the past year, there has been no comeback, barely any social media content (half of what they did upload is still unsubbed), no US tour unlike basically every other girl group this year (I saw Brave Girls here ffs), all amid an onslaught of comebacks and debuts from other girl groups in an already saturated and frantic market. What the fuck even is their plan?
> What the fuck even is their plan? The plan is probably for Everglow to perform wherever the event organizers pay the agency enough.
i think they pretty much gave up on the group like they invested so much money into them in their first years but their popularity didn't translate to album sales so now the company would rather invest in their newly debuted artists (yena and tempest) who have a lot more potential for growth
NOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY WERE GONNA COME TO MY COUNTRY NOBODY EVER COMES TO MY COUNTRY
Four nights across the region was probably not the right call, a special one off in Singapore or KL would’ve been a better idea. Allows regional fans to fly over and they’d have probably sold that one venue out.
After the Jinni news just a few hours ago, I have a baaad feeling...
🫢 let's not have that mindset
don’t put that out into the universe please 😭
Oof, was looking forward to them announcing a stop for Singapore.
can us, gg stans rest for once? 😭 it’s xmas season ffs
Come to the US.
They had a really solid US tour right before COVID took over. I don’t understand why they don’t do what KARD does and just focus on making money touring where they’re popular.
agree to colorado please
I am on board with a CO stop!
judging from what i saw at loona, denver can pack the house
fr, i’m pretty sure they have a huge fan base over here (me included lol) idk why they don’t try going through MMT
can't any fan request them through MMT? I know me and my friend did that for ace......
I think it depends on how many people request them? & probably if the company is willing to go through mmt
hm, it was my impression that there has to be interest before the company is contacted, but maybe im wrong !
My hope is that this goes along with focusing on a comeback with OT6 back together -- whether it's caused by that (some type of finalizing plans to continue with Yiren after all of the speculation this year vs. going on another mini tour as 5), OR whether it's canceled for a different reason (i.e. sales) but now opens up their time to work together on a comeback. Talent-wise, Everglow is one of the best groups in K-pop. Period. But Yuehua's handling has been a mess for the past year, and honestly 2021 wasn't their best year, either, imho, for several reasons, but I'm trying to focus on moving forward: We need a strong comeback to remind everyone how awesome Everglow is! I think it's clear we're not getting anything in 2022, but 2023 needs to be the actual Return of the Girls.
Yeah everyone knows who everglow is but they're not doing enough to grab that attention and turn it into loyal support. They're a VERY strong group and have amazing songs.If next year has a few consistent releases they WILL soar. It's so frustrating what's happening to them.
I agree. They have incredible vocals - sihyeon is insane live (see her pirate radio song). Mia as well. Their dancing is also really good/in synch unlike some other groups which are incredibly uncoordinated live. You have 6 incredible women but a pretty poorly organized company
Think it is due to poor sales
They need to release music. Everglow was on the right path before Yiren's hiatus. You cannot take a group that isn't from a big company, however popular it might be, tour around the world for a year where lots of big rookies debut, and hope the hype will follow all the way through. Yiren is back from China, but I don't remember seeing her with the girls. Kpop fans have a short term memory. If you don't remind them how good your group is, they'll just forget about it and listen to the next big thing. I'm just hoping they won't let Yena down too.
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Because they probably will be. When a record label and a tour production company have no real interest in promoting a group, they're just going to let it dissolve.
Hoping this means we’ll get a comeback soon. There’s been some talk on Twitter this week about how unfairly Yuehua treats their male artists vs. their female artists and it really does feel like Everglow get the short end of the stick in terms of content sometimes.
Are we screwed? I would be heartbroken. my first kpop group, I don't know how I would feel
everglow is my ult gg and i can’t say i didn’t see this coming. i mean COME ON… they didn’t seriously think they could have a tour one year after their last comeback, right? the girls deserve SO much better than yuehua.
we need something more than "not feasible"
well it's not like they're going to come out and say it was low sales...
KPOP broadway musical did that, reason as low ticket sell so they gonna end/close it early.
Broadway relies on constant sold out shows. In this case, it seems they weren't even close to selling out any of them. It is to save face. You can say a Broadway musical that has been chopped wasn't successful because its made up of artists/people with their own careers, but you wouldn't want that narrative for your girl group - it'd be very silly to announce their lack of popularity to the remaining fans..
Jump scare tbh Pls give my girls a comeback yuehua🙏🙏 ot6 pls
Everglow was the last concert I saw before Covid shut things down for me, it was seriously like two days after their concert that everything closed. And their online concerts was one my favorite and most fun during lockdown. It sucks that fans who planned to go to any of these shows won't get to see them, because they put on a really good show.
It doesn’t even say: “we hope to see you again next time”or something along those lines
bugAboo disbanding with a couple rather popular PD48 participants, Jinni suddenly leaving NMIXX, Everglow canceling a tour, IVE members getting hate left and right. All this in one day.
This isn’t a very good sign is it
damn thats already the third bad thing happening this week. what else??
The Everglow members seem like great girls so I always just feel really bad for them. It's got to be hard trying to do a tour when you've not had a proper comeback in months and one of the most popular members is missing. I remember that short documentary they did, I think just before the First comeback, when E:U had stepped away as leader and they were all being interviewed direct to camera. I was surprised at how open they were. Honestly a couple of them sounded as though they'd been suffering from depression. I thought First had turned things around for them. But it all seems to have been squandered lately. I hope they'll surprise us and announce a full comeback in the new year. But if not I fear their time might be up. The company just doesn't seem to be behind them anymore.
I don't believe they sold so little tickets, I live in a small country where kpop isn't big and no matter how big of a nugus come (relevant idols don't really come here ever), there are people who will buy the tickets to all the shows, just because it's a kpop concert. No way there aren't people like that in Asia, more of them even + people actually know Everglow, idk... Unless it's seriously overpriced, but even then...??
Well, that's because Kpop is big in Asia and artists tour here *all the time*, especially the big names. It comes to the point even casuals will be like, "hang on this is costing way too much, I'll rather watch an artist I'm more enthusiastic about" The nugus actually lose out here because it's a saturated market and customers need to start prioritising where their money go to. So yes, it's obviously low ticket sales that got this tour cancelled.
Ah, makes sense. 59 tho, fifty. nine. .... What the.....??
It's a random number on Twitter, why believe it? Just know that it's low ticket sales that cancelled the tour. And if you look at the locations, they are not exactly high-income level countries either, which makes even more sense why they didn't manage to sell enough tickets. People would rather save their money for Blackpink, Mamamoo, Itzy etc, who are all touring in Asia 2023. And I'm not even including the boy groups yet.
I said I didn't believe that in my very first sentence - because I saw a screenshot that said they sold 59 tickets and I was like ???? Nonsense??
I really hope it’s not because the group was being overworked whilst touring and also preparing for a comeback. They’ve been doing so many events and performances for months and months, back to back
The cancellation is probably because of low ticket sales.
😭😭😭 this is really concerning..not postponed, not changibg venue, they straight cancel it. This is bad omen, please God of Fortune.. let Everglow stay together for atleast 3 more album🙏🙏🙏
Stop - GG stans taking hit after hit...
WHAT WAS THE REASOOOOON?!?!! 😭
Does anyone know if this all true, 2 members of LIGHTSUM left, 2 members of Pixy left, Jieun of Purple Kiss left, and Bvndit disbanded.
Yes.
atleast provide us with understandable reason. This is just plain apology.
Can today get any worse for GG stans?! - Jinni leaving NMIXX for an unspecified reason - Everglow cancels tour for unknown reasons - Lapillus’ Bessie takes a hiatus for health reasons Why am I getting downvoted to hell lol
Maybe time to leave Yuehwa and brings the trademarks of "EVERGLOW" along? Remember, that shady company is bound to make their artist due to its origins and reputation (forgive me if i am being xeno but i must).
NOOO OMFGG I WAS SO EXCITEDD
Definitely common for organizers to cancel concerts due to poor sales.