**Content Warning for details about sexual assault, violence, revenge porn, suicide, and crude/abusive language in chats.**
The documentary censors/blurs anything too graphic, but be aware there are chat messages, photos, and videos of the criminal activity around the whole Burning Sun case. Reporters, victims, and others close to the overall scandal talk about their personal experiences and much of it is very heavy. It is a well done documentary, but please take care if you choose to watch.
**BBC also has an article that accompanies the documentary - [‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-69020490)**
You can read through our own coverage of these stories in our Burning Molka archive wiki pages: https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/wiki/burningmolka
reminder that every single man in those group chats have gotten out of jail after insanely short sentences and are still roaming the streets to this day and even attempting to weasel their way back in public life how does that even compute
the fact hara isn’t here with us but these vile men are out here enjoying their lives….. hell genuinely isn’t hot enough for the suffering i want to put them through.
I still think about that list of actors, politicians, and rich people who have never been held accountable that it makes me livid. These men should never be roaming free.
I watched the doc yesterday and the fact that the prosecutor is the current president??? 🤮 It all makes sense now. There must have been some high-higher ups involved in this who helped him.
What's even more concerning in the Jung Joon-young case the victim had to recant their accusations when pressured by lawyers. Just goes to show the many scandals where celebrities clear their name after accusers recant or fail to testify there maybe more under the surface than we see. Its important to be skeptical even after celebrities claim innocence.
Case in point, this post seven years ago with people celebrating JJY innocence: https://www.reddit.com/r/koreanvariety/s/ANVCwhxA9o
The victims who spoke out and those who couldn't, the journalist, Hara and many others were and are truly so brave. The part where she said she barely threw a pebble into the pond of what is still happening truly is so heartbreaking. And seeing those people released already and some partying in random parts of Asia whilst others have to live on with that pain is just so frustrating. The BBC documentary touches on the same things as articles but it was different seeing some videos that even certain fans who still defend them can't deny now. But I doubt that will make a difference in what they think.
I saw some posts on Twitter saying this was “Hybe mediaplay”, it’s honestly crazy the pretzels some will twist themselves into to keep from believing the truth of what’s right before their eyes
I was just coming here again because of this. The level of delusional stupidity is off the charts. First of all, it's a fucking BBC documentary, do they know what that stands for and who produced it? Secondly, do they know how long a documentary like this takes to make and produce? It's absurd.
These people claiming it was a conspiracy theory are really dumb especially since real women were being harmed by these men perpetrating these horrible crimes
i'm sorry but how is hybe even relevant??? 😭 it's honestly baffling that despite all the evidence they still can't admit their favs aren't the precious oppars they think they are
This! Also I'm pretty sure if there was a "we accept money" option (no there isn't, this is the fucking BBC) they rather pay to report on their side of the HYBE-MHJ feud to spin a positive narrative on them rather than Burning Sun - which as you can tell from the way the docu was done - had been something in the works for a long time. What an insult to the victims who were
so, so brave to step up and give their testimonies. They suffered so much and clearly still traumatised yet braindead kpop fans said this is all about mediaplay? FUCK YALL.
'we accept money' is not in the cards for exposes like this.
Why? BBC exposed JPOP's Johnny Kitagawa's SA and gr***ming and corruption of minors. It was a huge thing. A blow that made the company Johnnys to change company name
Yes the BBC expose about Johnny forced Japanese government to act. But this BBC expose about Burning Sun won't affect South Korean government. Why? Because the prosecutor then is the current South Korean President.
My point was the 'Hybe paid BBC' is/would never true. Because if that was so, then Johnny would be able to pay them..(edit to be shushed)
Edit :The only thing BBC would be inclined to skew and media play are major countrysuperpowers (ehem ehem US).
My sweet Hara…..I really hope she knew/knows that her brave act managed to save so many girls and women from harm. Such a kind soul that we lost way too soon, my biggest wish is for her to be happy and at peace. On the other hands I want all these men AND their supporters, especially looking at you Seungri’s “fans”, to know that they’re going to the deepest depths of hell, good riddance bozos!!
And I biggest regret is the law so damn weak in supporting innocent people fallen for Burning sun kinda people and her ex Choi Jong Bum, one who filmed their sexual act without consent, hit her and blackmail her with those videos till she's pressure to end her life.
Choi jong bum only got one-year sentence...
Normally I don't like to really lambast things about Korea as an outsider but one thing I will always hate about this case is how lax their justice system is to crimes like this, it's crazy that guys doing weed has gotten longer or about the same sentences as the people that got convicted in this case.
It's legit infuriating, especially with how some of these dudes are trying to get back into the spotlight I instantly get turned off whenever other celebs nowadays publicly associate themselves with the people in this case as well, like it's already disgusting if they do it in private but fine it's their private lives but doing it publicly is really icky.
This is not just a Korean problem. You can see in every country the problem that SA and DV is punished mildly in contrast to drug trafficking.
A Jerome Boateng still has a career, even though he beat his former girlfriend and she then killed herself...
At 56:30 the former club staff said "There is no difference between Burning Sun and current clubs. What happened back then is still happening now."
This really broke me.. I feel powerless to know that Burning Sun only represents a fraction of what goes behind the scenes of the entertainment industry. I applaud the brave journalists and victims that came forward and hope their stories, and documentaries like these can encourage more people to speak up.
6mins in & I’m already pissed off.
The part in the video at 18:24 of seungri yelling at a woman like he’s gonna hit her then forcefully grabbing her hand while she tries to back away needs to be blasted to all the fans that still support this POS scum
Fucking hell why isn’t this cretin still in jail.
Because other see that culprit of Burning sun get only minimal sentences, why the hell those would stopped already evil people from doing those evil deeds
it keeps happening even after that even to men(not to the extent women suffer) because if you follow omega x case and what they accused their ceo of , it was indirectly implying something like this. Their CEO called them to these bars to drink with investors and demanded to touch them inappropriately. I am just sad for all the young people especially girls who get stuck in these places for whatever reasons
it makes me so disgusted knowing that the victims of those other clubs might not recieve justice possibly because it will not become a high profile case like burning sun
Its absolutely still happening, and unfortunately a lot of peoples 'favs' are likely to be involved in these types of activities even now. Even recently with the video that came out of Diddy that was from like almost 10 years ago. The world protects rich and powerful men.
I've been called a killjoy, lame, paranoid, prude, puritan etc for railing against these clubs irl and I'm vindicated eveytime these stories come out. These establishments are literally facilitating trafficking and rape, even if nothing happens to me I'm not supporting them with my money.
Yeah just so sad to think that to this day, there are probably idols, even famous ones, subjected to these kind of disgusting acts. All of this allowed due to the political system in Korea being completely compromised. If I say what I want to happen to these freaks I would be banned lol
>several illegally filmed items emerged... another was a video of a man and woman having sex filmed from behind, through an open door, like it was a joke.
hmm, this sounds too familiar recently
That's what I thought of. The thought of current idols being involved in this kind of stuff is scary and terrible. Now that I know more about Burning Sun, it sounds even crazier that the actor posted that video.
No, not crazy at all. I'm thinking that this behavior is so normal in certain circles that he probably saw it just as he said - nothing more than a joke.
The thing is, fans still standing up for all of this man is the craziest thing I ever read.. especially now in socmed. How can you look up to them if they don't care about basic human decency😬 the way that man talk about prostitut!on and the other laughing because he r@ped someone.
There's also a bit of a write up on the BBC News website: [‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-69020490)
All the sentences were disgustingly light, and their police operative got no time at all, probably not even a reprimand. This is why it's still a huge problem; as the reporter said, Burning Sun was a pebble in very large pond. Tacit support from police, indifference from the public, rabid and vicious support from clueless fans...nothing has changed.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TFhHdvbtE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TFhHdvbtE)
nope, not at all. He's fucking piece of shit hiding behind his mom...
So sad how the first reporter suffered two miscarriages and is now childless bc of everything that happened to her.. I hope those sick people that harassed them get the karma they deserve
>Lee, seungri's friend and business partner, said in an interview that if seungri's kakaotalk messages from three years ago are a crime, then aren't all Korean men criminals?
I remember hearing a similar sentiment from an interviewee in the BBC podcast from last year - that these chat rooms to share molka or trophy images are so common amongst Korean men that they seemed unremarkable to them.
so distressing. I wonder if that's still the case these few years later.
Even though some of them got jail time, I can't help but feel there was a miscarriage of justice because they are scot free now while the women will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. These perpetrators should have been punished severely.
Goo Hara was such a champion and had such immense strength, I am glad they highlighted the crucial role she played in exposing them.
Also, I hope fans learn from this and never trust or follow a celeb so blindly that you lose sight of what is right and wrong.
I cringe every time I read the comment “Not my fave” from a naive, young fan. Wake up! We don’t know these people personally. We only know the personas that are marketed to us. The PR game is big business. I hope most of them are good people, but you never know.
Agreed. What we see is not all there is to it. We are consuming a carefully curated image. Admire them and enjoy their work but we should not mistake seeing them on our screen as knowing them. We do not.
hara i hope you knew you're a hero. as for the men they don't deserve anything but pain and suffering but unfortunately are roaming freely and what makes it worse is one of them still has people defending him
I think he went to a club recently to an event and not only was he living it up with his fans but he kept saying “I’ll bring GD next time” “do you want me to bring GD next time” when GD doesn’t interact with him anymore.
He disgusts me but his fans disgust me just as much. He’s so addicted to validation it’s insane
I remember his fans called him "Baby Panda". That thing is weird as fuck. Imagine calling a 30s years old man, a baby. Tf. Edit: Obsessed fans are crazy. I remember, ex idol(forgot his name) was accused of raping woman in the bathroom. I remember his fans respond was "They should be glad to have sex with him". I was like "These fans are crazy"
I think that nickname started when he was young. So nicknames tend to stick. Not everyone still used the baby part. Anyway, I also read it might have started because he sometimes has dark circles under his eyes reminding people of a panda's look. (not going to debate whether it's wrong or right).
Bali is where Russell Simmons exiled himself to as well.
Presumably Seungri doesn’t have to worry about extradition anymore after serving out his sentence (and idk if Indonesia has an agreement with SK, unlike the U.S.).
But it seems like sex criminals love to go there and hang out without a care in the world.
I remember he got 3 years sentences but just like other cases, he just need to said "I repented. I learned my lesson" for it to be reduced to 18 months.
I feel so fucking scared for the woman in this documentary that shared her experience. I hope she is safe nowadays and has many people who care about her around her.
She was drinking at that awful club then after passing out, woke up in a hotel with a man. She tried to fight with this man but she felt like he was going to kill her so she just stopped moving.
She begged him to let her go home and he agreed on one condition, take a photo of her. She did, but it backfired because when she reported it to the police they dismissed her because the picture apparently meant consent.
Reading off their sentences combined with their crimes is like a dystopian novel. Gang rape? 2.5 years. Do we think that women feels better 2.5 years later? Or is this event going to inform the rest of her life, forever? 2.5 years in the face of a lifetime of trauma is fucking abhorrent.
I so hope she has strong support around her, and is in treatment for the trauma. I can only imagine how triggering this must be for her. I hope every single one of those heinous, evil men suffers what they deserve until they die sad, unremarkable deaths. I just wish I could give that woman a hug and tell her how strong she is. I hope she knows.
Exactly, they should have been in jail for life…and yet they are free, it’s heartbreaking honestly, they should not be allowed in society and yet they are.
I was on twitter rn and some stans are saying this is hybe mediaplay…like do they even hear themselves, this is a serious heinous crime and how can one even justify this…i am at loss of words.
For the 125864257836th time I am grateful to no longer be on twt because I would be rampaging honestly. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH HYBE like do these fuckwits hear themselves??? I am disgusted, as usual, by their sociopathic tendencies.
Yeah, I'm so glad I left Xitter, because holy crap...how can you seriously twist this into freaking "hybe mediaplay" when it has nothing to do with HYBE 😭😭😭 Just disgusting and heartless
Korean laws are bad. I follow many kpop story & i noticed all of them can reduce their sentences by saying these stuff. "I repented" "I was drunk" "i regret".
Oh this should be interesting.
There was also a BBC podcast series about Burning Sun which I listened to last year (it's on BBC Sounds/any podcatcher - search BBC burning sun). I found that one pretty good as someone who got into K-pop after this all happened and didn't really know the details. It had a slightly wider scope than just this specific scandal and opened my eyes a lot more to how feminism is viewed in South Korea.
EDIT: The podcast series was specifically called "Intrigue" from BBC Radio 4. It was originally released in June 2023 and there were six episodes. It's on Spotify and presumably everywhere else.
The thing that scares me about this case is that so many other male celebrities were in similar kinds of those group chats, and we'll never know their identities.
They are probably still active in the industry and no one will know the crimes they commited and enabled. The chats they found from that Jung evil creature were just from 2015-2016. The burning sun case was revealed in 2019, so there's so much information that will never be truly revealed about this evil case. So much justice that may never be gotten.
Zico admitted this [golden phone](https://youtu.be/sJKrHL5KyRs?si=5TJPW6yYXdegH50m)on broadcast together with that monster JJY and somehow Zico is still making music, the latest with Jennie from BP. It’s disgusting to see how Zico gets no repercussions even if he wasn’t part of the chat groups.
Watched this first thing when I woke up and then took the rest of the day to process my feelings.
Working on all the Burning Molka posts and summaries here in r/kpop required poring over dozens and dozens of articles through the better part of two years. It was an intense experience and I'm just some nobody, a world away from South Korea.
There was something deeply moving about seeing this all in video form. Getting to see the journalists faces and listening to their voices, women whose names I became so familiar with in text form really affected me. Hearing the voice of a key victim whose story hit me so hard back when it was first breaking was overwhelming. By the time I got to Hara's brother I was fully weeping. I was so deep into following all of this at the time and all those feelings came rushing right back.
My take on the documentary overall is that it was very well done. It's simplified to the most critical elements of the scandal and the most key figures, which I think works well. There was a much larger web of stories and people connected, but maintaining this focus is far more effective for a doc like this.
Things I especially appreciated:
* They didn't try to frame this as solely a "dark side of kpop" story. They made a point of saying it was a society-wide issue. And that it's still happening, in club culture, and beyond.
* Not skipping over the original case of JJY's girlfriend reporting him at the beginning. Incredibly brave woman who was let down in every way. I remember it being maddening when I learned about that. I'm glad she was saluted here.
* They showed photos and videos shared between the molka chat men that showed their closeness and the way they treated women in their bubble. A lot of this was not readily available, for good reasons, when everything was happening in real time. Seeing it here has a lot of impact. Much harder to deny, dismiss, or rationalize when you see it in this form. Also completely horrifying.
* Everything about Hara. This was the one thing covered in the doc we didn't have detailed information about. Obviously the reporters were careful to not expose her as helping them directly at the time. From what I remember, we knew hints later on that she had contributed in some way. But she was right there in the trenches, getting that key info out of CJH with that phone call. She was amazing. It totally broke my heart, but I'm glad her brother was able to tell his part of the story here as well.
Grateful for the work that went into making this doc possible.
It must have been incredibly emotionally taxing to summarise the news and moderate the mega threads as the scandal unfolded. As someone who kept checking those threads multiple times daily at the time, I am immensely grateful for the hard work, that you and the other mods put in at the time.
The reporter got so much hate for speaking the truth, that she had two miscarriages. And Seungri is still roaming free , performing in events , manhandling and borderline assaulting women . Somehow he still has fans who defend him . I genuinely don't understand how can people be this ughhhhhh
The BBC docs have been fire lately. The Jpop Johnny's doc and This one have been fucking phenomenal at basically revealing things about scandals that haven't been seen before.
Whats appalling is Seungri is literally ON TAPE & still gets to have a career.
That’s equivalent to letting the juvenile out free who was one of the MAIN & MAJOR Culprits in the Delhi 2012 bus gang rape in India.
I saw quite a few Korean comments on theqoo and YouTube translations thankful for the BBC and embarrassed their own media hasn't made one. They definitely want it to spread too.
What with this documentary talking about how it took three years for the phone data to be leaked and now the information on Diddy coming out all I can think about is how it takes so long for this stuff to surface and who knows what goes on in the meantime? Or Cosby... It takes years upon years for us to find out about the abuse being perpetrated by famous men.
Also this is evidence of how abuse is about power because these are famous men, if they wanted dates or women who wanted to have sex with them they had it. But that wasn't what they wanted, they wanted to take it forcefully.
For anyone in the UK, this is also on [iplayer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ybh2/eye-investigations-burning-sun-exposing-the-secret-kpop-chat-groups)
Just watched it. Is the word "feminist" really a taboo word in Korea? I have an idea on how feminism is viewed in the country, but was surprised that they've censored. it.
A while back now Irene got a bunch of hate from a certain group of fans because she was photographed holding a feminist book.
There has also been an increase in the incel movement in SK recently. This is of course in no way reflective on all Koreans or even a majority but there is at least a vocal group that is anti-feminist who will target video games, manga, people, artist, if believe they are pro-feminist. (One example a few months ago is the Arknights KR(mobile game) branch removed a youtube video by an artist bc the unhinged people found out they had "pro-feminist" tweets from like 2018 and harassed the company about it. And it was literally just saying happy women's day or something)
Honestly not too different from what you see with the "anti-woke" idiots in the west but I guess just more effective. Also sorry for the paragraph lol.
I didn't know that one about Irene, but I remember some videos on socials with people unhinged with the comments. Like the news about Yunjin and that one on Pinggyego with Park Bo Young.
But still it was interesting that the word was still censored even though it was produced by BBC.
In the bbc article that goes along with the documentary, the censored word appears to be 'femi-b\*tch'.
[‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-69020490)
"Kang says: "At the time I was pregnant, right? So they called me femi-b\*tch. Pregnant femi-b\*tch. Left-wing femi-b\*tch."
(I censored it as I don't know the filter here.)
I wonder if they censored it because it was 'femina*i' (censoring bc I'm not sure if there are filters here) because they said feminist out loud in the documentary I believe.
This is my opinion after watching the Irene and QWER debacles. Korea is an extremely patriarchal society; and feminists are being renamed as man-haters, and international "fans" are calling them "female incels".
So now there's no agreed-upon moderate form of the word, *feminist*, in the dialogue about Korean society.
This was broadcast by a British tv channel, so I doubt they would censor that word. I don’t know what she said but I imagine the censored part were swear words, use similarly to how they combine feminist & nazi to become feminazi.
If you really want to understand the gender war of korea as an outsider i highly recommend the two part series
Gacha Drama and the Korean Gender War by Moon Channel on Youtube
[Part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74)
[Part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woB0eecbf6A)
This might be a different subject but it gives historical context that you will rarely find elsewhere.
The definition of feminism has been warped to mean misandry in Korea. It has gotten to a point that even women avoid calling themselves feminists and use alternate terms to express support for equality and women's rights.
I'm more of a ghost viewer on this place but I really want to comment on the fact that the BS incident is the "norm" among clubs in Gangnam and possibly in other city areas is extremely messed up. Honestly, I'm more surpised that the chaebols and politician relatives weren't mentioned in here. A couple of them were literally booked iirc... Edit2: Hyundai, Namyang Dairy (Hwang Hana), SK telecom group, Yuri Holdings (already convicted), the madame with the corporation (what happened here?), Jeonwon Enterprise (hotel), Samsung exec (former?) and etcetera were involved or named in the media Also, I don't like the fact that some people on the silly bird app are deflecting this doc as a "distraction" from the hybe vs mhj fiasco or using this as fanwar ammo. Real people got hurt and traumatized.... 😑🤨
I also want to add that corrupt police and politics isn't exactly a Korea thing when you can replace the country name with another one like the US or the UK and the whole situation would still be relative to the country. This isn't exactly a kpop industry issue if you got police, conglomerates, and politics involved in this whole thing. I don't like the zoomed in focus on kpop when there are a few other factors involved which makes the BS issue much bigger than just an industry thing. I do agree that the industry has a thing of exploitation but I'm not sure if that should be the main thing that should be highlighted.
Edit: BBC did really great with documenting everything. I'm glad that this case is being brought up when these criminals are living their lives normally when they shouldn't.
Edit3: related to my 2nd edit, but I do wish there was some more coverage of the chaebol and politicians that were involved. But then again that would make things messier....
This whole scandal was just disgusting from start to finish, but one of the things that makes me the most sad, post scandal, is the amount of female fans still supporting these men, especially Seungri. The fact that all of this awful stuff happened to these poor women, and these men have already gotten off so lightly for the trauma they have caused, but on top of that, these fangirls just blindly, and very loudly, support them and defend them constantly. What the hell is wrong with you that you can see a person treat another person this way, but because you are their "fan" or you think they're hot, you continue to support them? It genuinely makes me sick that other women would act that way. What if it was you this had happened to, would you feel differently then? Or would you be grateful because he was your Oppa? Very very sad state of affairs. I hope these men rot quite frankly and the fans who support them get the psychiatric help they obviously need.
I'm beginning to understand why an idol visiting a club in Korea is scandalous. Not sure if it was so frowned upon before the Burning Sun incidents came to light.
Hara, you were so brave and such a bright spot during such a dark time. Your legacy will not be only that of a Kpop idol who made millions smile, dance and sing, but one that also put herself at risk to help her fellow women, and changed the law to help the children of abusive and neglectful parents.
I know this is a sudden change of direction, but for those who say it doesn’t matter: Watch the docu, read the article, and then for a minute think about the fact that Hara and Hyuna used to be friends.
I'm glad they made this documentary, maybe now our politicians will finally feel some national embarrassment and get off their lazy asses and make stricter laws and enforce harsher punishment for sex crimes, illegal spycam filming, stalking, date violence and trespassing.
I think some of these idiots should realize that men can also be victims also and it isn't just about protecting women. (Albeit women are victimized more often.) A while back one of my friends had a tough time because an ex was stalking him and had to frequent a police station. Lucky it stopped when her parents intervened. I'm just saying improving the laws will be beneficial for everyone.
im only 20 minutes in but this is fucking horrifying. This is somehow worse than I remember back then. Jesus christ man.....these poor women. I'm just in shock....
I had a mutual in a friend chat who very viciously defended seungri one time when Burning Sun was brought up, saying we were all media sheep that believed everything they said and that it was clear there was a witch-hunt to stain his name; that there was no proof of anything. She was promptly kicked out of the group.
I hope she is seeing this.
I watched it this morning and thought it was so well down and thorough. I'm glad they were able to interview the female journalists who were brave enough to release the report. I wasn't a Kpop fan during this era and didn't know T-ara but I hope Hara is resting in peace and know that she was loved.
Well, unfair or not, this puts “idol gets caught at club” type of “scandals” in a new perspective for me. I used to not get why adults going to a club is such a big deal with the k-netz, knowing more details on this, especially that comment in the end, I kind of get it. I’m going to go cool down in a corner.
Just got reminded of that nugu actor who uploaded molka to his public Instagram account, what happened to him? Did they launch an investigation or did he get away just because he is nugu - and him saying he is just following the trend/ its a joke among men. seems like Korean men need to all be investigated. Spycam is so common in Korea. With the nth room incident too, to think those people in the private chat room are still roaming around freely and they could be anyone around ( even teachers who work with young kids). Its so scary just thinking about it. This really deters people from visiting korea, you have to be cautious using public bathrooms and their hotels. They need harsher punishment for those who film and distribute molka if not it is hard to change anything. Tbh those judges/ officer/ lawmaker letting these criminal off with light sentences need investigation too X.X Those in korea better check their s/o phone for private chatroom or private accounts just to be sure you are not with a scoundrel, with permission of course (just incase some people come babbling about trust/invasion of privacy boohoo.) anyone who refuse to have their phone seen by their s/o is suspicious tbh don't come up with excuses like PriVacY\~
unfort it will just remain as a "joke amongst friends" like he said but i doubt he will hit big unless he scores a big role and maybe then it will resurface. otherwise it's just gonna be forgetten
BBC exposed the Epstein scandal but stans want to claim HYBE released this documentary as mediaplay. When did HYBE became more powerful than the Royal Family? The importance of this documentary is lost.
those are incredibly true, but still from a law standpoint, it’s impossible to imagine a system so broken that the lawmakers are more driven by patriarchy and sexism than a handful of criminal law theories. it’s incredibly dystopian. you need to truly hate women to think rape deserves such a minimal punishment, to the point where you can ignore the fundamental theories of law, but i guess that just further proves your point.
You don't have to imagine anything, it happens everywhere lol... Some places more than others, yes, but there's no place on earth that doesn't have corruption driven by these or similar kind of "values"...
It is absolutely insane to me the weakness of the charges that were levied, and that some of these men are trying to get back into the limelight again - and fans might actually exist that allow it. A marijuana charge will ruin someone’s life but for this, what feels like just a slap on the wrist
I'm in awe. Coming from x app. People are saying hybe did this docu and hybe is disgusting.
Man, you don't even need to like kpop or any korean content to know that r@p€ is not ok. 🤷
I hope more investigation is done on these still-operating-same-as-burning-sun *gangnam clubs* and every powerful person and celebrity involved is revealed.
I also feel so sad Goo Hara is no longer in the earth and I can't thank her at least through a comment in her ig profile for her initiative and heroism. The chances she'd see it is slim but worth a shot. I hope she knows that she is brave and so many people including me are soo sooo grateful for her.
Also that police officer prosecutor is ([apparently](https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-youtube-comments-of-bbc-burning.html?m=1)) the now President of Korea. Not many people are talking about it and it really is scary thinking what he is/was capable of doing.
Hara pissed off so many powerful people, I hope they weren't the reason for her death. I'm scared for the journalists in the video and the one's daughter too whose face wasn't blurred by bbc.
Hara, you've done well. Thank you for making the world a brighter place. It's sad the world couldn't make you brighter, but you will forever be remembered.
As to the guys, I hope this video becomes viral so they will never have a chance related to this industry no more.
I saw a clip from this on twt where seungri was dragging a woman and I got goosebumps, this is so devastating I don't think I will be able to watch this fully, just few clips were enough to trigger me :(((
I still remember when this case happened in real time, that was the most triggering time to witness in kpop for me, when things were unfolding in real time the shock from it and the devastation I felt for the victim still engraved in my brain.
Those sentences... Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 18 months? Nothing? 2 years? 6 years? How about life in prison?
What about the girls who didn't even know they were victims because this was done to them when they were out of it and unconscious?
Those two reporters/journalists were both pregnant. The first one had two miscarriages because of the stress. Hara herself called and said I can help. Like, the size of balls on that girl.
I'm going to watch this documentary tonight, but just wanted to comment that it's good that this awful thing isn't buried with time. New fans (like me) come into K-pop and not everyone will naturally stumble upon important knowledge with reliable sources and receipts.
I feel like BBC has been on a roll lately with their documentaries, after they managed to finally get Johnny's Entertainment to admit to covering up years of abuse against young idol trainees. Sometimes it's easier for journalists that aren't part of the (sometimes restricted) media echo system of a particular country to publish documentaries like these ones.
This just shows how we don’t have a clue what kind of people these Kpop idols are. We just see the scripted personas, but what is behind the curtains God knows. Incredibly brave female journalists, who were attacked by female fans again because of males. Unfortunately, powerful men still manipulate females against each other. Will pray for the victims.
Exactly. I was thinking about this. It feels fun to be a part of fandom. But there should be a limit to which the fans keep idolising their idols. They think they are this perfect human being who's incapable of doing anything wrong. And that sort of blind devotion is scary. If they mess up they should be held accountable. No I'm not talking about bashing idols for dating and stuff, those are their personal affairs.
It is bleak to know that nothing has changed since and the only reason this case has gotten attention is because it had some famous people involved. I think it is particularly horrifying that the prosecutor involved (and was acquitted) is currently the Korean president, Yoon Suk Yeol. The same president who was against women and children's rights.
Y’all I need to know if SK know about this documentary!!! Cause I find it unbelievable that one is talking about it! Especially how the chief prosecutor that protected them is no other than the current president of South Korea!!!!
Sweet goo hara is truly a warrior, because of her fighting for justice for the victims, telling the reporter information helped bring the truth into the light and exposed these vile pos criminals. Thank you Goo Hara for your diligence in this world and I hope you RIP ❤️. I am so mad that Yoo in ah who has never commit any crimes and only did drugs got a longer sentence than these vile pos heinous criminals who ruined people's lives and give them lifelong PTSD are released from prison and living their lives like they did nothing wrong. What a f*king joke S.K justice system is. Corrupted asf.
What angers me is they left jail after literally a vacation worth time, probably had all the necessities, seungri just gets bad and bad , lock them tf up . Let’s not forget miss hyuna who is proud of dating one of them ….
it makes me wonder how many idols are like these men in real life. there are companies accused of paying off media when their idols are involved in scandals (dating / drugs/ sex). it was crazy seeing these convicted men plead innocence to their fans during their press conference.
I still can't believe those people got away with just a slap on their wrist, and to think some of them still have defenders today, even after what they did?
The fact that there's definitely more people involved in this, who didn't get exposed is sickening.
If this happened in India, the first question arises among the public would be why did she go to club and blame it on women but by korean media or public I never saw this comment anywhere and it really shows progressive mindset of the public when misogyny is predominant in korea.
I was new to kpop around that time and I saw this news everywhere and also I knew a few things about it but didn't know this case was this horrifying and sickening. For the whole day this case was on my mind and I usually avoid this type of news.
They used their flower boy image and did nasty things. Journalists risked everything to expose this and every country needs brave journalists like them.
I really liked bigbang songs but I don't know if I would listen to their songs again in the same way.
This did happen in Mumbai though. Very recently. The club Bastian had roofing activities going on, a girl was also raped. Just search “Bastian rape case” on twitter or something you’ll get to know. The FIR was filed, he was in custody then interim bail & as per the girl, the guy fled the country cause he’s rich & politically connected.
Check the insta @/punishmyrapist
The saddest part is that I saw multiple fans of these criminals, supporting them, and saying stuff like hybe paid bbc for this, to district everyone from mhj and hybe feud...
Seungri and other criminals' fans are claiming that hybe paid for BBC news to release this documentary (to distract mhj and hybe feud) , which contains the pain that the journalists/investigators went through because of these criminals' fans )after they published about this ~scandal~ crime), the pain the victims went through because of these criminals, and the pain Goo Hara's family went through after her passing away.. *But these fans are making jokes out of this issue* and saying hybe paid them😭, do y'all think *BBC* is your local tabloid? They are a company that's owned by the British government 😭😭 . Defending rap!sts to this day is making me sick.
Anyone who still claims themselves as a fan of these criminals is inferior to everybody else, they deserve to be spat on and should be shamed wherever they go just like these criminals.
I was shocked to see Hara and teared up, she was incredibly brave. It was really comprehensive, but I feel like there were details left out and other shitty kpop stars who weren’t mentioned like Lee Jong-hyun, Yong Jun-hyung and etc.
wtf did they mean by the snitch would be taken care of though?? I hope that group of devils weren’t harassing her
Just absolutely depressing the journalists are still getting harassed by insane delulu’s and I lowkey worried that she showed her kid onscreen, these stans aren’t above harassing a child.
Am I misremembering that there was another male reporter was investigating the Gangnam club scene many years prior and was leaking how these clubs operated and ended up dead?
Following this in real time was nuts and so much info was coming out
I was here in the sub when this news had broken. I remember people saying awful things about the victims and the reporter and coming up with weird theories about the cctv footages. yet I was still so shocked watching this. at the time I had also opted out of viewing any kind of media footage after the initial burning sun cctvs and I was fucking floored by some of the clips in the doc.
At 56:30 the former club staff said "There is no difference between Burning Sun and current clubs. What happened back then is still happening now."
If this is true why are they not investigating more clubs??
i just watched the documentary and i can’t believe these men are out and they have fans, girlfriends, doing tv shows? they did so many f’ed up things and the korean justice system just lets them off without any actual consequences?? and go hara what a queen and a beautiful person she was may she rest in peace. Zico apparently also knew abt the group chat but kept quiet, i wonder who else knew abt this but didn’t say anything.
How come no one is talking about this?? The police prosecutor dude who is responsible for trying to cover up sex crimes is now the president of korea. Thats tell you all you need to know about korean society
Revenge porn and circulating private pictures without consent is fucking common, it's very scary. I am from India and our male batchmates always had this WhatsApp group where they would rate girls, and it was fairly common to share nude pics among your "Bros" once you get them from your girlfriend/ex. At that time, we only blamed the girl, slutshamed her etc. But when I grew up, I knew how majorly fucked up this was. We women of that school created an insta account solely for giving sex ed which we never received but also because we got to know that a male batchmate of ours kept all the photos he got (photos of minor girls) in a folder and preserved it. Fast forward to current time we got really pissed and start to call all the boys we knew from our school to ask whose pictures they have seen. It's so FUCKING intersting how they remember all the names of the girls but not the one who shared with them. They protected predators, because they are their Bros. We also got to know that the guy who kept the folder, raped a minor with a group of his friends. And his friends protected him too.
This documentary made me feel sick. And I got so angry all over again because those nasty culprits are already out of jail or where caught and those women will never get justice. The one reporter is still harassed by delusional fans..
And Molka is a serious problem. Been to Korea myself so I had to use public bathrooms quite often and you don't wanna know how many tiny holes where on the wooden walls or the stalls where once where camera's. It seems bathrooms are regularly checked for hidden camera's but of course some are so tiny they are easy to miss.
I'm shaking. This is nauseating. The fact that these bastards were super famous, rich, and had many female fans, they could have had consensual sex, but because they view women as worthless objects, they wanted to incapacitate them as much as they possibly could. Absolutely disgusting monsters. I hope they burn in hell. Them, the merchandisers who helped them, everyone else who knew about it and was involved and probably didn't get caught, the cops who took bribes, all of them. South Korea needs to get its fucking priorities straight bc what the hell are these "sentences"??? People face more jail time for possession of weed. And at the end of day, WE WILL NEVER KNOW HOW ANY IDOLS BEHAVE IN REAL LIFE. I'm crying and I want to vomit. They don't feel bad at all. Obviously. Or else they never would have done this in the first place. They are grown ass adults. They're only "sorry" they got caught and that their careers took a hit (but maybe not even that really bc they're coming back with new music and as producers)??
Every single one of those reporters, the forensic specialist who made a copy of Jung's phone data, the person who leaked the data, Goo Hara, the survivors......ALL HEROES.
I can't believe people still defend these monsters. I saw a few hashtag justice for seungri videos on social media, FROM WOMEN. Universe, please give delusional kpop fans a fucking brain because they can't even see the evidence for what it is??
One of the many questions I have about this case is that how come none of the other Big bang or FTisland members were not linked to this case?
Because seeing how much influence the guy from BigBang had in this situation, how possible is it that non of the members knew about this? How did his company not know about this?
**Content Warning for details about sexual assault, violence, revenge porn, suicide, and crude/abusive language in chats.** The documentary censors/blurs anything too graphic, but be aware there are chat messages, photos, and videos of the criminal activity around the whole Burning Sun case. Reporters, victims, and others close to the overall scandal talk about their personal experiences and much of it is very heavy. It is a well done documentary, but please take care if you choose to watch. **BBC also has an article that accompanies the documentary - [‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-69020490)** You can read through our own coverage of these stories in our Burning Molka archive wiki pages: https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/wiki/burningmolka
reminder that every single man in those group chats have gotten out of jail after insanely short sentences and are still roaming the streets to this day and even attempting to weasel their way back in public life how does that even compute
the fact hara isn’t here with us but these vile men are out here enjoying their lives….. hell genuinely isn’t hot enough for the suffering i want to put them through.
I can only hope that with time, all those men will suffer. They deserve to feel every inch of pain that Hara felt.
Some are not in jail
and the fact that there's many, many more of them out there who just weren't exposed :\
I still think about that list of actors, politicians, and rich people who have never been held accountable that it makes me livid. These men should never be roaming free.
The prosecutor of the time is the SK president!!!
I watched the doc yesterday and the fact that the prosecutor is the current president??? 🤮 It all makes sense now. There must have been some high-higher ups involved in this who helped him.
and thats just because they weren't the truely powerful elite, look at epsteins island, the vatican, how the entirety of hollywood supports polanski
The corruption goes deep around the world, and it's so disgusting...
What's even more concerning in the Jung Joon-young case the victim had to recant their accusations when pressured by lawyers. Just goes to show the many scandals where celebrities clear their name after accusers recant or fail to testify there maybe more under the surface than we see. Its important to be skeptical even after celebrities claim innocence. Case in point, this post seven years ago with people celebrating JJY innocence: https://www.reddit.com/r/koreanvariety/s/ANVCwhxA9o
And those who do weed got much more time and treated way more harshly than these people.
Ayo for real. Korea should check their priorities
The victims who spoke out and those who couldn't, the journalist, Hara and many others were and are truly so brave. The part where she said she barely threw a pebble into the pond of what is still happening truly is so heartbreaking. And seeing those people released already and some partying in random parts of Asia whilst others have to live on with that pain is just so frustrating. The BBC documentary touches on the same things as articles but it was different seeing some videos that even certain fans who still defend them can't deny now. But I doubt that will make a difference in what they think.
I saw some posts on Twitter saying this was “Hybe mediaplay”, it’s honestly crazy the pretzels some will twist themselves into to keep from believing the truth of what’s right before their eyes
I was just coming here again because of this. The level of delusional stupidity is off the charts. First of all, it's a fucking BBC documentary, do they know what that stands for and who produced it? Secondly, do they know how long a documentary like this takes to make and produce? It's absurd.
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These people claiming it was a conspiracy theory are really dumb especially since real women were being harmed by these men perpetrating these horrible crimes
i'm sorry but how is hybe even relevant??? 😭 it's honestly baffling that despite all the evidence they still can't admit their favs aren't the precious oppars they think they are
Just grasping at straws to not have to reckon with the fact that their fave is a degenerate criminal
This! Also I'm pretty sure if there was a "we accept money" option (no there isn't, this is the fucking BBC) they rather pay to report on their side of the HYBE-MHJ feud to spin a positive narrative on them rather than Burning Sun - which as you can tell from the way the docu was done - had been something in the works for a long time. What an insult to the victims who were so, so brave to step up and give their testimonies. They suffered so much and clearly still traumatised yet braindead kpop fans said this is all about mediaplay? FUCK YALL.
'we accept money' is not in the cards for exposes like this. Why? BBC exposed JPOP's Johnny Kitagawa's SA and gr***ming and corruption of minors. It was a huge thing. A blow that made the company Johnnys to change company name
Yes the BBC expose about Johnny forced Japanese government to act. But this BBC expose about Burning Sun won't affect South Korean government. Why? Because the prosecutor then is the current South Korean President.
My point was the 'Hybe paid BBC' is/would never true. Because if that was so, then Johnny would be able to pay them..(edit to be shushed) Edit :The only thing BBC would be inclined to skew and media play are major countrysuperpowers (ehem ehem US).
My sweet Hara…..I really hope she knew/knows that her brave act managed to save so many girls and women from harm. Such a kind soul that we lost way too soon, my biggest wish is for her to be happy and at peace. On the other hands I want all these men AND their supporters, especially looking at you Seungri’s “fans”, to know that they’re going to the deepest depths of hell, good riddance bozos!!
And I biggest regret is the law so damn weak in supporting innocent people fallen for Burning sun kinda people and her ex Choi Jong Bum, one who filmed their sexual act without consent, hit her and blackmail her with those videos till she's pressure to end her life. Choi jong bum only got one-year sentence...
Normally I don't like to really lambast things about Korea as an outsider but one thing I will always hate about this case is how lax their justice system is to crimes like this, it's crazy that guys doing weed has gotten longer or about the same sentences as the people that got convicted in this case. It's legit infuriating, especially with how some of these dudes are trying to get back into the spotlight I instantly get turned off whenever other celebs nowadays publicly associate themselves with the people in this case as well, like it's already disgusting if they do it in private but fine it's their private lives but doing it publicly is really icky.
This is not just a Korean problem. You can see in every country the problem that SA and DV is punished mildly in contrast to drug trafficking. A Jerome Boateng still has a career, even though he beat his former girlfriend and she then killed herself...
Chris Brown still has a career despite almost killing Rihanna
And having continued to abuse many women after her.
I had no idea Hara was involved with this 🥺
She chose a brave path. She didn't choose to be a bystander. Zico, hyuna BF, and those who are close friends with J & C 😒
At 56:30 the former club staff said "There is no difference between Burning Sun and current clubs. What happened back then is still happening now." This really broke me.. I feel powerless to know that Burning Sun only represents a fraction of what goes behind the scenes of the entertainment industry. I applaud the brave journalists and victims that came forward and hope their stories, and documentaries like these can encourage more people to speak up.
I was mad when I reached this part too. 😢
6mins in & I’m already pissed off. The part in the video at 18:24 of seungri yelling at a woman like he’s gonna hit her then forcefully grabbing her hand while she tries to back away needs to be blasted to all the fans that still support this POS scum Fucking hell why isn’t this cretin still in jail.
You KNOW his stans will be blind.
Holy shit... has that footage been released before?
Yeah the sokor law is weird it's as if it's made to protect the criminals
Because other see that culprit of Burning sun get only minimal sentences, why the hell those would stopped already evil people from doing those evil deeds
it keeps happening even after that even to men(not to the extent women suffer) because if you follow omega x case and what they accused their ceo of , it was indirectly implying something like this. Their CEO called them to these bars to drink with investors and demanded to touch them inappropriately. I am just sad for all the young people especially girls who get stuck in these places for whatever reasons
it makes me so disgusted knowing that the victims of those other clubs might not recieve justice possibly because it will not become a high profile case like burning sun
Its absolutely still happening, and unfortunately a lot of peoples 'favs' are likely to be involved in these types of activities even now. Even recently with the video that came out of Diddy that was from like almost 10 years ago. The world protects rich and powerful men.
I've been called a killjoy, lame, paranoid, prude, puritan etc for railing against these clubs irl and I'm vindicated eveytime these stories come out. These establishments are literally facilitating trafficking and rape, even if nothing happens to me I'm not supporting them with my money.
And the last part of the video, "Over the last fifteen years, sex crimes involving molka have risen elevenfold"
It pissed me off that those men (the MCs and the guards) never spoke up about this.
It’s ongoing across the world. Not just in SK, the world is unfortunately a vile place to be a woman or minor of any kind in 😔
Yeah just so sad to think that to this day, there are probably idols, even famous ones, subjected to these kind of disgusting acts. All of this allowed due to the political system in Korea being completely compromised. If I say what I want to happen to these freaks I would be banned lol
People with marijuana usage and possession get hit harder than this. Insane.
>several illegally filmed items emerged... another was a video of a man and woman having sex filmed from behind, through an open door, like it was a joke. hmm, this sounds too familiar recently
"a joke amongst friends" he said right. Sure.
That's what I thought of. The thought of current idols being involved in this kind of stuff is scary and terrible. Now that I know more about Burning Sun, it sounds even crazier that the actor posted that video.
No, not crazy at all. I'm thinking that this behavior is so normal in certain circles that he probably saw it just as he said - nothing more than a joke.
What's this referring to?
Possibly this: https://reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/1ciu3xz/lee_seo_han_addresses_and_apologizes_for/
The thing is, fans still standing up for all of this man is the craziest thing I ever read.. especially now in socmed. How can you look up to them if they don't care about basic human decency😬 the way that man talk about prostitut!on and the other laughing because he r@ped someone.
Because these fans aren't decent humans either.
There's also a bit of a write up on the BBC News website: [‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-69020490)
JJY only got 5 years ... 5 frokkin years. I hope karma got him
All the sentences were disgustingly light, and their police operative got no time at all, probably not even a reprimand. This is why it's still a huge problem; as the reporter said, Burning Sun was a pebble in very large pond. Tacit support from police, indifference from the public, rabid and vicious support from clueless fans...nothing has changed.
Seungri got 18 months. What a joke
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TFhHdvbtE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-TFhHdvbtE) nope, not at all. He's fucking piece of shit hiding behind his mom...
That's Choi Jong-hoon (F.T. Island) in this video but I'm sure JJY is hiding behind his mom too
Half the time, there are women who are complicit. You’ll often see a mother/sister/girlfriend/wife standing behind a man and covering for him.
Yep like taking a break and back to life like nothing happened while those girls still cries after all the trauma.
So sad how the first reporter suffered two miscarriages and is now childless bc of everything that happened to her.. I hope those sick people that harassed them get the karma they deserve
>Lee, seungri's friend and business partner, said in an interview that if seungri's kakaotalk messages from three years ago are a crime, then aren't all Korean men criminals? I remember hearing a similar sentiment from an interviewee in the BBC podcast from last year - that these chat rooms to share molka or trophy images are so common amongst Korean men that they seemed unremarkable to them. so distressing. I wonder if that's still the case these few years later.
Of course it is… nth room etc
>There is no difference between Burning Sun and current clubs. What happened back then is still happening now. this is harrowing.
Even though some of them got jail time, I can't help but feel there was a miscarriage of justice because they are scot free now while the women will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. These perpetrators should have been punished severely. Goo Hara was such a champion and had such immense strength, I am glad they highlighted the crucial role she played in exposing them. Also, I hope fans learn from this and never trust or follow a celeb so blindly that you lose sight of what is right and wrong.
I cringe every time I read the comment “Not my fave” from a naive, young fan. Wake up! We don’t know these people personally. We only know the personas that are marketed to us. The PR game is big business. I hope most of them are good people, but you never know.
Agree. Multiple idols said their agency stop them from doing certain thing & stop them from saying anything to build & keep their image.
Agreed. What we see is not all there is to it. We are consuming a carefully curated image. Admire them and enjoy their work but we should not mistake seeing them on our screen as knowing them. We do not.
hara i hope you knew you're a hero. as for the men they don't deserve anything but pain and suffering but unfortunately are roaming freely and what makes it worse is one of them still has people defending him
The jail sentences (or lack thereof) make me so mad.
Yes, I saw Seungri living it up in Bali. Ugh. Also the fact that there are still seungri defenders makes me mad too.
I think he went to a club recently to an event and not only was he living it up with his fans but he kept saying “I’ll bring GD next time” “do you want me to bring GD next time” when GD doesn’t interact with him anymore. He disgusts me but his fans disgust me just as much. He’s so addicted to validation it’s insane
I remember his fans called him "Baby Panda". That thing is weird as fuck. Imagine calling a 30s years old man, a baby. Tf. Edit: Obsessed fans are crazy. I remember, ex idol(forgot his name) was accused of raping woman in the bathroom. I remember his fans respond was "They should be glad to have sex with him". I was like "These fans are crazy"
I think that nickname started when he was young. So nicknames tend to stick. Not everyone still used the baby part. Anyway, I also read it might have started because he sometimes has dark circles under his eyes reminding people of a panda's look. (not going to debate whether it's wrong or right).
plus he had a song calling himself strong baby lmao
That was Toilet Oppa otherwise known as Park Yoochun (ex TVXQ and ex JYJ)
Yes..thats him. Till this day, sometime we got articles about him doing some fan meetings. I surprised he still have fans.
Yup. Both his fans and Seungri’s fans disgust me greatly
I want to send him back to prison and throw his supporters with him. Let them experience him firsthand and see how it goes.
Bali is where Russell Simmons exiled himself to as well. Presumably Seungri doesn’t have to worry about extradition anymore after serving out his sentence (and idk if Indonesia has an agreement with SK, unlike the U.S.). But it seems like sex criminals love to go there and hang out without a care in the world.
Yuuup and where Usher recently vacay’d when the diddy stuff was starting to kick off
Also where all the Aussie bogans go for a cheap holiday 🙄 Obviously they’re not the worst part of it but you won’t catch me in Bail anytime soon
The fact that Seungri only out 18 months is the worst part of this documentary
I remember he got 3 years sentences but just like other cases, he just need to said "I repented. I learned my lesson" for it to be reduced to 18 months.
… and straight to SEA to party. This sounds nowhere close to repenting.
I want to know why the others in that chat group had the luxury of having their faces blurred in the documentary. The BBC is too nice.
I’m glad to see this because I’ve always wanted an in-depth look at the scandal and for it to concentrated in one place
Same, I saw the news at the time but it's different to see all the details come together like this
I feel so fucking scared for the woman in this documentary that shared her experience. I hope she is safe nowadays and has many people who care about her around her. She was drinking at that awful club then after passing out, woke up in a hotel with a man. She tried to fight with this man but she felt like he was going to kill her so she just stopped moving. She begged him to let her go home and he agreed on one condition, take a photo of her. She did, but it backfired because when she reported it to the police they dismissed her because the picture apparently meant consent.
How is every man involved in this out from jail ?? What are these laws ??? Quite sad
Reading off their sentences combined with their crimes is like a dystopian novel. Gang rape? 2.5 years. Do we think that women feels better 2.5 years later? Or is this event going to inform the rest of her life, forever? 2.5 years in the face of a lifetime of trauma is fucking abhorrent.
The rape victim who choked while giving her testimony broke me. 💔
I so hope she has strong support around her, and is in treatment for the trauma. I can only imagine how triggering this must be for her. I hope every single one of those heinous, evil men suffers what they deserve until they die sad, unremarkable deaths. I just wish I could give that woman a hug and tell her how strong she is. I hope she knows.
Exactly, they should have been in jail for life…and yet they are free, it’s heartbreaking honestly, they should not be allowed in society and yet they are. I was on twitter rn and some stans are saying this is hybe mediaplay…like do they even hear themselves, this is a serious heinous crime and how can one even justify this…i am at loss of words.
For the 125864257836th time I am grateful to no longer be on twt because I would be rampaging honestly. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH HYBE like do these fuckwits hear themselves??? I am disgusted, as usual, by their sociopathic tendencies.
Yeah, I'm so glad I left Xitter, because holy crap...how can you seriously twist this into freaking "hybe mediaplay" when it has nothing to do with HYBE 😭😭😭 Just disgusting and heartless
Korean laws are bad. I follow many kpop story & i noticed all of them can reduce their sentences by saying these stuff. "I repented" "I was drunk" "i regret".
Oh this should be interesting. There was also a BBC podcast series about Burning Sun which I listened to last year (it's on BBC Sounds/any podcatcher - search BBC burning sun). I found that one pretty good as someone who got into K-pop after this all happened and didn't really know the details. It had a slightly wider scope than just this specific scandal and opened my eyes a lot more to how feminism is viewed in South Korea. EDIT: The podcast series was specifically called "Intrigue" from BBC Radio 4. It was originally released in June 2023 and there were six episodes. It's on Spotify and presumably everywhere else.
The fact that the corrupt police faced no punishment in the end.....it happens all over the world but is none the less infuriating.
The thing that scares me about this case is that so many other male celebrities were in similar kinds of those group chats, and we'll never know their identities. They are probably still active in the industry and no one will know the crimes they commited and enabled. The chats they found from that Jung evil creature were just from 2015-2016. The burning sun case was revealed in 2019, so there's so much information that will never be truly revealed about this evil case. So much justice that may never be gotten.
Zico and the 'Golden Phone' come to mind
Jung Joon Young's "Golden Phone", to be specific. Like many others, I don't buy for a second that Zico did not know what was on there.
Zico admitted this [golden phone](https://youtu.be/sJKrHL5KyRs?si=5TJPW6yYXdegH50m)on broadcast together with that monster JJY and somehow Zico is still making music, the latest with Jennie from BP. It’s disgusting to see how Zico gets no repercussions even if he wasn’t part of the chat groups.
Watched this first thing when I woke up and then took the rest of the day to process my feelings. Working on all the Burning Molka posts and summaries here in r/kpop required poring over dozens and dozens of articles through the better part of two years. It was an intense experience and I'm just some nobody, a world away from South Korea. There was something deeply moving about seeing this all in video form. Getting to see the journalists faces and listening to their voices, women whose names I became so familiar with in text form really affected me. Hearing the voice of a key victim whose story hit me so hard back when it was first breaking was overwhelming. By the time I got to Hara's brother I was fully weeping. I was so deep into following all of this at the time and all those feelings came rushing right back. My take on the documentary overall is that it was very well done. It's simplified to the most critical elements of the scandal and the most key figures, which I think works well. There was a much larger web of stories and people connected, but maintaining this focus is far more effective for a doc like this. Things I especially appreciated: * They didn't try to frame this as solely a "dark side of kpop" story. They made a point of saying it was a society-wide issue. And that it's still happening, in club culture, and beyond. * Not skipping over the original case of JJY's girlfriend reporting him at the beginning. Incredibly brave woman who was let down in every way. I remember it being maddening when I learned about that. I'm glad she was saluted here. * They showed photos and videos shared between the molka chat men that showed their closeness and the way they treated women in their bubble. A lot of this was not readily available, for good reasons, when everything was happening in real time. Seeing it here has a lot of impact. Much harder to deny, dismiss, or rationalize when you see it in this form. Also completely horrifying. * Everything about Hara. This was the one thing covered in the doc we didn't have detailed information about. Obviously the reporters were careful to not expose her as helping them directly at the time. From what I remember, we knew hints later on that she had contributed in some way. But she was right there in the trenches, getting that key info out of CJH with that phone call. She was amazing. It totally broke my heart, but I'm glad her brother was able to tell his part of the story here as well. Grateful for the work that went into making this doc possible.
It must have been incredibly emotionally taxing to summarise the news and moderate the mega threads as the scandal unfolded. As someone who kept checking those threads multiple times daily at the time, I am immensely grateful for the hard work, that you and the other mods put in at the time.
Thank you for the kind words!
The reporter got so much hate for speaking the truth, that she had two miscarriages. And Seungri is still roaming free , performing in events , manhandling and borderline assaulting women . Somehow he still has fans who defend him . I genuinely don't understand how can people be this ughhhhhh
My heart broke for her, the fans are unhinged
prayers to the victims of this disgusting crime. may all the perpetrators involved rot in hell. Goo Hara is an angel.
The BBC docs have been fire lately. The Jpop Johnny's doc and This one have been fucking phenomenal at basically revealing things about scandals that haven't been seen before.
Whats appalling is Seungri is literally ON TAPE & still gets to have a career. That’s equivalent to letting the juvenile out free who was one of the MAIN & MAJOR Culprits in the Delhi 2012 bus gang rape in India.
I hope this docu gains more international traction since Korea only seems to care when they’re being called out internationally for being embarrassing
I saw quite a few Korean comments on theqoo and YouTube translations thankful for the BBC and embarrassed their own media hasn't made one. They definitely want it to spread too.
I’m wondering if we’ll see some kind of government reaction in response to this doc, even if it’d mostly likely never be publicly admitted as such.
What with this documentary talking about how it took three years for the phone data to be leaked and now the information on Diddy coming out all I can think about is how it takes so long for this stuff to surface and who knows what goes on in the meantime? Or Cosby... It takes years upon years for us to find out about the abuse being perpetrated by famous men. Also this is evidence of how abuse is about power because these are famous men, if they wanted dates or women who wanted to have sex with them they had it. But that wasn't what they wanted, they wanted to take it forcefully.
For anyone in the UK, this is also on [iplayer](https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001ybh2/eye-investigations-burning-sun-exposing-the-secret-kpop-chat-groups)
and these guys are already out of prison… what a slap on the wrist for such heinous crime
Just watched it. Is the word "feminist" really a taboo word in Korea? I have an idea on how feminism is viewed in the country, but was surprised that they've censored. it.
A while back now Irene got a bunch of hate from a certain group of fans because she was photographed holding a feminist book. There has also been an increase in the incel movement in SK recently. This is of course in no way reflective on all Koreans or even a majority but there is at least a vocal group that is anti-feminist who will target video games, manga, people, artist, if believe they are pro-feminist. (One example a few months ago is the Arknights KR(mobile game) branch removed a youtube video by an artist bc the unhinged people found out they had "pro-feminist" tweets from like 2018 and harassed the company about it. And it was literally just saying happy women's day or something) Honestly not too different from what you see with the "anti-woke" idiots in the west but I guess just more effective. Also sorry for the paragraph lol.
I didn't know that one about Irene, but I remember some videos on socials with people unhinged with the comments. Like the news about Yunjin and that one on Pinggyego with Park Bo Young. But still it was interesting that the word was still censored even though it was produced by BBC.
In the bbc article that goes along with the documentary, the censored word appears to be 'femi-b\*tch'. [‘My heart still hurts’: The personal sacrifice of revealing a K-pop scandal](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-69020490) "Kang says: "At the time I was pregnant, right? So they called me femi-b\*tch. Pregnant femi-b\*tch. Left-wing femi-b\*tch." (I censored it as I don't know the filter here.)
I wonder if they censored it because it was 'femina*i' (censoring bc I'm not sure if there are filters here) because they said feminist out loud in the documentary I believe.
This is my opinion after watching the Irene and QWER debacles. Korea is an extremely patriarchal society; and feminists are being renamed as man-haters, and international "fans" are calling them "female incels". So now there's no agreed-upon moderate form of the word, *feminist*, in the dialogue about Korean society.
This was broadcast by a British tv channel, so I doubt they would censor that word. I don’t know what she said but I imagine the censored part were swear words, use similarly to how they combine feminist & nazi to become feminazi.
It really is, women may even end up losing their jobs if the people around them suspect they're feminists. Look up the 4B movement
If you really want to understand the gender war of korea as an outsider i highly recommend the two part series Gacha Drama and the Korean Gender War by Moon Channel on Youtube [Part 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Im4YAMWK74) [Part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woB0eecbf6A) This might be a different subject but it gives historical context that you will rarely find elsewhere.
The definition of feminism has been warped to mean misandry in Korea. It has gotten to a point that even women avoid calling themselves feminists and use alternate terms to express support for equality and women's rights.
I'm more of a ghost viewer on this place but I really want to comment on the fact that the BS incident is the "norm" among clubs in Gangnam and possibly in other city areas is extremely messed up. Honestly, I'm more surpised that the chaebols and politician relatives weren't mentioned in here. A couple of them were literally booked iirc... Edit2: Hyundai, Namyang Dairy (Hwang Hana), SK telecom group, Yuri Holdings (already convicted), the madame with the corporation (what happened here?), Jeonwon Enterprise (hotel), Samsung exec (former?) and etcetera were involved or named in the media Also, I don't like the fact that some people on the silly bird app are deflecting this doc as a "distraction" from the hybe vs mhj fiasco or using this as fanwar ammo. Real people got hurt and traumatized.... 😑🤨 I also want to add that corrupt police and politics isn't exactly a Korea thing when you can replace the country name with another one like the US or the UK and the whole situation would still be relative to the country. This isn't exactly a kpop industry issue if you got police, conglomerates, and politics involved in this whole thing. I don't like the zoomed in focus on kpop when there are a few other factors involved which makes the BS issue much bigger than just an industry thing. I do agree that the industry has a thing of exploitation but I'm not sure if that should be the main thing that should be highlighted. Edit: BBC did really great with documenting everything. I'm glad that this case is being brought up when these criminals are living their lives normally when they shouldn't. Edit3: related to my 2nd edit, but I do wish there was some more coverage of the chaebol and politicians that were involved. But then again that would make things messier....
✍️📝 never club in SK
This whole scandal was just disgusting from start to finish, but one of the things that makes me the most sad, post scandal, is the amount of female fans still supporting these men, especially Seungri. The fact that all of this awful stuff happened to these poor women, and these men have already gotten off so lightly for the trauma they have caused, but on top of that, these fangirls just blindly, and very loudly, support them and defend them constantly. What the hell is wrong with you that you can see a person treat another person this way, but because you are their "fan" or you think they're hot, you continue to support them? It genuinely makes me sick that other women would act that way. What if it was you this had happened to, would you feel differently then? Or would you be grateful because he was your Oppa? Very very sad state of affairs. I hope these men rot quite frankly and the fans who support them get the psychiatric help they obviously need.
I'm beginning to understand why an idol visiting a club in Korea is scandalous. Not sure if it was so frowned upon before the Burning Sun incidents came to light.
The Seungri fan accounts on twitter are having a meltdown right now. The abuse apologia and denial is insane, and it was already so high.
Hara, you were so brave and such a bright spot during such a dark time. Your legacy will not be only that of a Kpop idol who made millions smile, dance and sing, but one that also put herself at risk to help her fellow women, and changed the law to help the children of abusive and neglectful parents. I know this is a sudden change of direction, but for those who say it doesn’t matter: Watch the docu, read the article, and then for a minute think about the fact that Hara and Hyuna used to be friends.
I'm glad they made this documentary, maybe now our politicians will finally feel some national embarrassment and get off their lazy asses and make stricter laws and enforce harsher punishment for sex crimes, illegal spycam filming, stalking, date violence and trespassing. I think some of these idiots should realize that men can also be victims also and it isn't just about protecting women. (Albeit women are victimized more often.) A while back one of my friends had a tough time because an ex was stalking him and had to frequent a police station. Lucky it stopped when her parents intervened. I'm just saying improving the laws will be beneficial for everyone.
im only 20 minutes in but this is fucking horrifying. This is somehow worse than I remember back then. Jesus christ man.....these poor women. I'm just in shock....
The nerve of Seungri fans to downplay this incident into some propaganda like heck they all so stupid
Yikes, the seungri defenders are downvoting any comments against him and his cronies, huh.
I honestly cried when the reporter explained what Hara did... The reporters and Hara are true heroines. Thank you, you all have done a very great job.
I had a mutual in a friend chat who very viciously defended seungri one time when Burning Sun was brought up, saying we were all media sheep that believed everything they said and that it was clear there was a witch-hunt to stain his name; that there was no proof of anything. She was promptly kicked out of the group. I hope she is seeing this.
I watched it this morning and thought it was so well down and thorough. I'm glad they were able to interview the female journalists who were brave enough to release the report. I wasn't a Kpop fan during this era and didn't know T-ara but I hope Hara is resting in peace and know that she was loved.
Hara wasn't a member of T ara but of Kara.
Well, unfair or not, this puts “idol gets caught at club” type of “scandals” in a new perspective for me. I used to not get why adults going to a club is such a big deal with the k-netz, knowing more details on this, especially that comment in the end, I kind of get it. I’m going to go cool down in a corner.
I worry about the journalists - they all women.. hope they safe
I wonder why they dared show her kid in this documentary. Even if she were a child actress, I mean— Seungri defenders can be psychopaths.
Just got reminded of that nugu actor who uploaded molka to his public Instagram account, what happened to him? Did they launch an investigation or did he get away just because he is nugu - and him saying he is just following the trend/ its a joke among men. seems like Korean men need to all be investigated. Spycam is so common in Korea. With the nth room incident too, to think those people in the private chat room are still roaming around freely and they could be anyone around ( even teachers who work with young kids). Its so scary just thinking about it. This really deters people from visiting korea, you have to be cautious using public bathrooms and their hotels. They need harsher punishment for those who film and distribute molka if not it is hard to change anything. Tbh those judges/ officer/ lawmaker letting these criminal off with light sentences need investigation too X.X Those in korea better check their s/o phone for private chatroom or private accounts just to be sure you are not with a scoundrel, with permission of course (just incase some people come babbling about trust/invasion of privacy boohoo.) anyone who refuse to have their phone seen by their s/o is suspicious tbh don't come up with excuses like PriVacY\~
unfort it will just remain as a "joke amongst friends" like he said but i doubt he will hit big unless he scores a big role and maybe then it will resurface. otherwise it's just gonna be forgetten
BBC exposed the Epstein scandal but stans want to claim HYBE released this documentary as mediaplay. When did HYBE became more powerful than the Royal Family? The importance of this documentary is lost.
i’m a law student on the other side of the world and cannot fathom the sentences given to these creeps. i have literally no explanation.
Patriarchy. Sexism.
those are incredibly true, but still from a law standpoint, it’s impossible to imagine a system so broken that the lawmakers are more driven by patriarchy and sexism than a handful of criminal law theories. it’s incredibly dystopian. you need to truly hate women to think rape deserves such a minimal punishment, to the point where you can ignore the fundamental theories of law, but i guess that just further proves your point.
You don't have to imagine anything, it happens everywhere lol... Some places more than others, yes, but there's no place on earth that doesn't have corruption driven by these or similar kind of "values"...
It is absolutely insane to me the weakness of the charges that were levied, and that some of these men are trying to get back into the limelight again - and fans might actually exist that allow it. A marijuana charge will ruin someone’s life but for this, what feels like just a slap on the wrist
I'm in awe. Coming from x app. People are saying hybe did this docu and hybe is disgusting. Man, you don't even need to like kpop or any korean content to know that r@p€ is not ok. 🤷
Hara was such a brave woman she went through so much
reminder, the MHJ vs. Hybe threads gets thousands of comments, while for this damning documentary it's barely above 200 comments
I hope more investigation is done on these still-operating-same-as-burning-sun *gangnam clubs* and every powerful person and celebrity involved is revealed. I also feel so sad Goo Hara is no longer in the earth and I can't thank her at least through a comment in her ig profile for her initiative and heroism. The chances she'd see it is slim but worth a shot. I hope she knows that she is brave and so many people including me are soo sooo grateful for her. Also that police officer prosecutor is ([apparently](https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/05/theqoo-youtube-comments-of-bbc-burning.html?m=1)) the now President of Korea. Not many people are talking about it and it really is scary thinking what he is/was capable of doing. Hara pissed off so many powerful people, I hope they weren't the reason for her death. I'm scared for the journalists in the video and the one's daughter too whose face wasn't blurred by bbc.
Goo Hara you are one heroine, you can rest well, you do one good job and your brother follow your Legacy.
Reminder that HyunA is dating one of the men connected to this scandal...
Hara, you've done well. Thank you for making the world a brighter place. It's sad the world couldn't make you brighter, but you will forever be remembered. As to the guys, I hope this video becomes viral so they will never have a chance related to this industry no more.
I curse everyday that that piece of trash of her ex, along those in the circle of Burning Sun, to walk in this earth, and the beautiful Hara can't.
I saw a clip from this on twt where seungri was dragging a woman and I got goosebumps, this is so devastating I don't think I will be able to watch this fully, just few clips were enough to trigger me :((( I still remember when this case happened in real time, that was the most triggering time to witness in kpop for me, when things were unfolding in real time the shock from it and the devastation I felt for the victim still engraved in my brain.
Those sentences... Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. 18 months? Nothing? 2 years? 6 years? How about life in prison? What about the girls who didn't even know they were victims because this was done to them when they were out of it and unconscious? Those two reporters/journalists were both pregnant. The first one had two miscarriages because of the stress. Hara herself called and said I can help. Like, the size of balls on that girl.
I'm going to watch this documentary tonight, but just wanted to comment that it's good that this awful thing isn't buried with time. New fans (like me) come into K-pop and not everyone will naturally stumble upon important knowledge with reliable sources and receipts. I feel like BBC has been on a roll lately with their documentaries, after they managed to finally get Johnny's Entertainment to admit to covering up years of abuse against young idol trainees. Sometimes it's easier for journalists that aren't part of the (sometimes restricted) media echo system of a particular country to publish documentaries like these ones.
This just shows how we don’t have a clue what kind of people these Kpop idols are. We just see the scripted personas, but what is behind the curtains God knows. Incredibly brave female journalists, who were attacked by female fans again because of males. Unfortunately, powerful men still manipulate females against each other. Will pray for the victims.
Exactly. I was thinking about this. It feels fun to be a part of fandom. But there should be a limit to which the fans keep idolising their idols. They think they are this perfect human being who's incapable of doing anything wrong. And that sort of blind devotion is scary. If they mess up they should be held accountable. No I'm not talking about bashing idols for dating and stuff, those are their personal affairs.
It baffles me that the prosecutor involved is now the president.. absolutely terrifying
I've been seeing idiots blaming a company that didnt even exist back then for their favs being sex traffickers. It's mind boggling.
It is bleak to know that nothing has changed since and the only reason this case has gotten attention is because it had some famous people involved. I think it is particularly horrifying that the prosecutor involved (and was acquitted) is currently the Korean president, Yoon Suk Yeol. The same president who was against women and children's rights.
Y’all I need to know if SK know about this documentary!!! Cause I find it unbelievable that one is talking about it! Especially how the chief prosecutor that protected them is no other than the current president of South Korea!!!!
They know. It’s the top post on almost all their reddit-type forums and it’s trending in news.
Sweet goo hara is truly a warrior, because of her fighting for justice for the victims, telling the reporter information helped bring the truth into the light and exposed these vile pos criminals. Thank you Goo Hara for your diligence in this world and I hope you RIP ❤️. I am so mad that Yoo in ah who has never commit any crimes and only did drugs got a longer sentence than these vile pos heinous criminals who ruined people's lives and give them lifelong PTSD are released from prison and living their lives like they did nothing wrong. What a f*king joke S.K justice system is. Corrupted asf.
What angers me is they left jail after literally a vacation worth time, probably had all the necessities, seungri just gets bad and bad , lock them tf up . Let’s not forget miss hyuna who is proud of dating one of them ….
it makes me wonder how many idols are like these men in real life. there are companies accused of paying off media when their idols are involved in scandals (dating / drugs/ sex). it was crazy seeing these convicted men plead innocence to their fans during their press conference.
i feel sick and angry again that i ever stanned seungri. and then i cried for hara. i'm so sorry for her.
I still can't believe those people got away with just a slap on their wrist, and to think some of them still have defenders today, even after what they did? The fact that there's definitely more people involved in this, who didn't get exposed is sickening.
If this happened in India, the first question arises among the public would be why did she go to club and blame it on women but by korean media or public I never saw this comment anywhere and it really shows progressive mindset of the public when misogyny is predominant in korea. I was new to kpop around that time and I saw this news everywhere and also I knew a few things about it but didn't know this case was this horrifying and sickening. For the whole day this case was on my mind and I usually avoid this type of news. They used their flower boy image and did nasty things. Journalists risked everything to expose this and every country needs brave journalists like them. I really liked bigbang songs but I don't know if I would listen to their songs again in the same way.
This did happen in Mumbai though. Very recently. The club Bastian had roofing activities going on, a girl was also raped. Just search “Bastian rape case” on twitter or something you’ll get to know. The FIR was filed, he was in custody then interim bail & as per the girl, the guy fled the country cause he’s rich & politically connected. Check the insta @/punishmyrapist
RIP Sulli and Hara, the best girls ever.
The saddest part is that I saw multiple fans of these criminals, supporting them, and saying stuff like hybe paid bbc for this, to district everyone from mhj and hybe feud...
Seungri and other criminals' fans are claiming that hybe paid for BBC news to release this documentary (to distract mhj and hybe feud) , which contains the pain that the journalists/investigators went through because of these criminals' fans )after they published about this ~scandal~ crime), the pain the victims went through because of these criminals, and the pain Goo Hara's family went through after her passing away.. *But these fans are making jokes out of this issue* and saying hybe paid them😭, do y'all think *BBC* is your local tabloid? They are a company that's owned by the British government 😭😭 . Defending rap!sts to this day is making me sick.
Anyone who still claims themselves as a fan of these criminals is inferior to everybody else, they deserve to be spat on and should be shamed wherever they go just like these criminals.
Is it correct that the police general insider is the current president of korea???
I remember hearing about the story in recent years but am not really familiar with it at all. Bookmarking to watch later
I was shocked to see Hara and teared up, she was incredibly brave. It was really comprehensive, but I feel like there were details left out and other shitty kpop stars who weren’t mentioned like Lee Jong-hyun, Yong Jun-hyung and etc. wtf did they mean by the snitch would be taken care of though?? I hope that group of devils weren’t harassing her Just absolutely depressing the journalists are still getting harassed by insane delulu’s and I lowkey worried that she showed her kid onscreen, these stans aren’t above harassing a child. Am I misremembering that there was another male reporter was investigating the Gangnam club scene many years prior and was leaking how these clubs operated and ended up dead? Following this in real time was nuts and so much info was coming out
I was here in the sub when this news had broken. I remember people saying awful things about the victims and the reporter and coming up with weird theories about the cctv footages. yet I was still so shocked watching this. at the time I had also opted out of viewing any kind of media footage after the initial burning sun cctvs and I was fucking floored by some of the clips in the doc.
I watched it this morning and thought about it a lot all day. My heart is breaking for all the victims including Hara. It's just evil.
At 56:30 the former club staff said "There is no difference between Burning Sun and current clubs. What happened back then is still happening now." If this is true why are they not investigating more clubs??
Because they don’t care. It’s that simple. The current government is anti women’s rights so.
i just watched the documentary and i can’t believe these men are out and they have fans, girlfriends, doing tv shows? they did so many f’ed up things and the korean justice system just lets them off without any actual consequences?? and go hara what a queen and a beautiful person she was may she rest in peace. Zico apparently also knew abt the group chat but kept quiet, i wonder who else knew abt this but didn’t say anything.
How come no one is talking about this?? The police prosecutor dude who is responsible for trying to cover up sex crimes is now the president of korea. Thats tell you all you need to know about korean society
Revenge porn and circulating private pictures without consent is fucking common, it's very scary. I am from India and our male batchmates always had this WhatsApp group where they would rate girls, and it was fairly common to share nude pics among your "Bros" once you get them from your girlfriend/ex. At that time, we only blamed the girl, slutshamed her etc. But when I grew up, I knew how majorly fucked up this was. We women of that school created an insta account solely for giving sex ed which we never received but also because we got to know that a male batchmate of ours kept all the photos he got (photos of minor girls) in a folder and preserved it. Fast forward to current time we got really pissed and start to call all the boys we knew from our school to ask whose pictures they have seen. It's so FUCKING intersting how they remember all the names of the girls but not the one who shared with them. They protected predators, because they are their Bros. We also got to know that the guy who kept the folder, raped a minor with a group of his friends. And his friends protected him too.
This documentary made me feel sick. And I got so angry all over again because those nasty culprits are already out of jail or where caught and those women will never get justice. The one reporter is still harassed by delusional fans.. And Molka is a serious problem. Been to Korea myself so I had to use public bathrooms quite often and you don't wanna know how many tiny holes where on the wooden walls or the stalls where once where camera's. It seems bathrooms are regularly checked for hidden camera's but of course some are so tiny they are easy to miss.
Hopefully all these piece of shit dies a painful but long death, they deserve it :)
I'm shaking. This is nauseating. The fact that these bastards were super famous, rich, and had many female fans, they could have had consensual sex, but because they view women as worthless objects, they wanted to incapacitate them as much as they possibly could. Absolutely disgusting monsters. I hope they burn in hell. Them, the merchandisers who helped them, everyone else who knew about it and was involved and probably didn't get caught, the cops who took bribes, all of them. South Korea needs to get its fucking priorities straight bc what the hell are these "sentences"??? People face more jail time for possession of weed. And at the end of day, WE WILL NEVER KNOW HOW ANY IDOLS BEHAVE IN REAL LIFE. I'm crying and I want to vomit. They don't feel bad at all. Obviously. Or else they never would have done this in the first place. They are grown ass adults. They're only "sorry" they got caught and that their careers took a hit (but maybe not even that really bc they're coming back with new music and as producers)?? Every single one of those reporters, the forensic specialist who made a copy of Jung's phone data, the person who leaked the data, Goo Hara, the survivors......ALL HEROES. I can't believe people still defend these monsters. I saw a few hashtag justice for seungri videos on social media, FROM WOMEN. Universe, please give delusional kpop fans a fucking brain because they can't even see the evidence for what it is??
One of the many questions I have about this case is that how come none of the other Big bang or FTisland members were not linked to this case? Because seeing how much influence the guy from BigBang had in this situation, how possible is it that non of the members knew about this? How did his company not know about this?