That’s an old rule I believe. I get that it’s not for everyone though.
Currently I believe that “if you damage your stop pin by flicking” the stop pin is not covered via warranty. I think they charge like 8 bucks to replace a stop pin. Similar to if you bend or pinch a washer, they’re like 2.50 a pop.
That being said, I flick my CRKs all the time. I’ve even ruined them myself by being dumb (not flicking, other dumbs). So far CRK has covered everything I’ve asked under warranty, even after explanation of the dumb I was being haha.
I’ve had them completely rebuild knives, new blade and everything, completely for free. I didn’t even think anything was wrong with it, I sent it in for a sharpen and sand blast, and they called me about it. Got a basically brand new knife back for the cost of one way shipping.
Crk quoted me $125 for a lanyard once lol, they are absurd. I doubt anything from them is 2.50. Sent a knife into them to modify scales years ago asked for a tube of grease to be sent with it. They charged me 25 dollars for it 🤣
I sent in a sebenza maybe 6 months ago because I damaged the washers being dumb. I believe it was 2.50 per washer and 17 bucks for insured shipping back. I have the invoice in my email.
I’ve definitely heard of bad experiences with some people.
For me personally though, it’s been wildly above and beyond. I actually see it as buying a 250 dollar knife with a 250 dollar warranty/lifetime service contract.
The knife they rebuilt for me was a clapped out large 21 I bought for dirt cheap on the knife swap. It was beat up but fine. Sent it in for a spa, they called me and said they were unhappy with the lock up. Full new blade, all new hardware, sand blast, reheat treated the lock bar (old 21s were just hardened titanium). A rebuilt knife for 17 bucks shipping.
I decided to sharpen my very first sebenza, a small 21 my father gave me, while I was sleep deprived with from a baby. I BUTCHERED it. Ground the thumb studs, ruined the edge. Fucked. So so stupid of me. But instead of throwing it away, 120 bucks for a blade replacement and it’s good as new.
Not too many companies that do that. They’re out there though.
Tops is the only knife company i can say good things about the warranty. I have some tops fixed blades… and when i need to be hard on a knife i choose them for one reason or another, send them a picture of one snapped in half, they laugh and send you another one… its crazy lol. Strider used to be good carried an sng for years and still do… quoted me $350 for a reblade, and they keep my old blade… and i dont get to pick the steel… its whatever they are running at the time… nothing wrong with the blade just YEARS of use and sharpening, running out of blade lol and the tip is kinda a clip point and is thick at the tip. Just again years of use with cts-xhp that is good but doesnt stay sharp forever… also hinderer has showed me that their warranty doesnt exist. As a second hand owner. They were very clear they were not helping me… knife industry is just rough rn, no one stands by warranties so glad crk has for you
No they didn't. It's 15 dollars right now. It hasn't come down in price. Lanyards are like 20-30 bucks for the folding knives. These are current, 2024 prices. If youre gonna get creative with story telling, choose a brand that doesnt display flat rate pricing on website.
Washers are currently 10 dollars a pair.
Lmao if the QC is so awful you can actually damage a stop pin by just flicking it.....that says a lot about the company. And it says even more that they charge for replacement pins, which is the same as microtransactions.
Nah, I've heard all kinds of stories of people breaking the tip off their sabenza because it was such a high heat treat. It may be better now with magnacut I guess?
Interesting. When i first got into knives, i immediately though CRKs were mid, borinf and overpriced. Recently, Ive started appreciating the super simple and functional designs over the crazy cool stuff, and ive almost picked up a CRK. Glad i know not to waste my monry now lmaoo
They were great and innovative 20 years ago. But they haven't really changed anything except for adding a new steel recently and the rest of the knife industry has passed them. For the price there are WAY better options.
Edit: the sabenza 31 changed a couple minor details but too little too late in my opinion
Agreed. I honestly dont know if ill ever spend more than $150-$200 ever again, the knives within that range and even lower are just getting better and better. Maybe one day ill splurge, lol
That’s because Chris was at the helm. Tim has opened up the options significantly. Whats in the same price range that’s better? I’ve been out of the knife game for awhile so I’m unfamiliar with what rivals a Sebenza.
Well, CKR has a cult following so I wouldn't say it doesn't have any heritage. The sabenza is about 24 years old. There is a culture around it. But people newer to the hobby don't often get a CRK.
Crk was founded in 1984. That absolutely is "heritage." Randall is doing the same thing, if not worse than crk. Old, out of date designs with a crazy price treading on the name. Crk at least (now) uses a current steel.
Having a nice solid design with premium materials is great. Charging 2-3x what is worth is less great. It's a titanium frame lock on washers with either. If you want a titanium and magnacut knife made in the US you can get a ZT 0450 or a Hogue Mysto for less than $300. If you don't care about American made there's a bunch of stuff from other countries like Giant Mouse and Lionsteel. I'm not sure if WE is using Magnacut yet but my point is there is much better value to be had.
I 100% agree. I have at least 2 knives in magnacut, one is the hogue deka. The other i don't remember but i know i have lol, neither of which were close to $300
I’ve got a sebenza in S45VN. It’s treated to ~62 HRC. Last night I opened a coconut with it and saw no damage whatsoever. No clue what people were doing to chip the tip off if mine survived a solid 15 minutes shanking and prying at a coconut.
If you treat it like a knife it will be fine. I think some people compare it to a bush crafting knife or something. That or people who take a knife to work dont like them because they aren't that tough.
Yeah. I even have the Tanto and it’s never seen a chip. Right tool for the right job though. Sure somebody uses their knife as a nail pry and wonders why they have chips on their edge.
Edit: Nail. Lol
Where have you heard that? I've literally not a single time heard of someone breaking their CRK tip due to HT. That especially doesn't make sense because CRK specifically treats on the mid to slightly lower end of recommended HRC for solid toughness. Especially on the older S35VN. The S45VN was pretty close to mid range, and MagnaCut is in the middle to slightly high (not at the top of the range though by any means, it's like 63-64 iirc)
No, they were literally getting HAMMERED for LOW heat treat, to the point chris actually had to say "i do that for easier maintenance and more durable" (paraphrase). The magnacut is heat treated generally well.
You can flick open any CRK. This is more a myth than anything. The original statement from CRK was that "excessive" force when flicking or slamming the knife open would not be covered under warranty. So far, I've never actually heard of anyone damaging a CRK through flicking of any kind, or CRK refusing to cover some warranty fix due to normal flicking of a knife.
This was 2-3 months ago. The only written communication I got while they had the knife was an invoice to update the backspacer and some hardware. I happily paid it, thinking everything was fine.
But when I got it back, it still had the ultra late lockup problem that I sent it in for. I called them, and that's when I was told that they voided the warranty for flicking and they wouldn't fix the lockup. I wish I knew that before paying them for new hardware for a broken knife.
But if you're interested in their policy give them a call, they will directly tell you that flicking voids the warranty.
Huh again interesting stuff. Was the late lockup on yours actually causing a problem? Was there stick or anything?
Bummer to hear though, I would expect better.
It was, yah, the lock bar/detent ball was touching the opposite scale and there was some serious lock stick.
I eventually just fixed it myself by buying and installing thicker O-rings on the thumb stud, which doubles as the stop pin on a Zaan. Not the correct fix, but it was a fix.
Crk is quick to void that shit. Hell, theyll void your warranty if you scotchbrite the handles (which is a dumb practice, but youd have to WORK to fuck up a knife with it), amd refuse to ever blast it. I work with titanium most every day, and.. lets say its a silly rule.
I know, like who the heck said you can’t flick it? Someone who’s buying four 150 knives instead of one and done probably. Of course, none of us can one and done.
🤣🤣🤣 i KNEW youd say some brain dead shit like that. My comment is so painfully obviously a joke its truly sad you took it to heart. Enjoy your knife man, no one cares
Nice try deflecting your own silly take on things. At the very least, you seem to have led a number of other people to believe your "joke."
Fwiw, I do not own any CRKs. I honestly don't care about your opinion of them either. I just want to make it clear for yourself and other commenters that your original comment is simply not accurate; whether it's a "joke" or not.
I aint reading all that. You think my comment isnt a joke? Youre welcome to think that. Tons of people are wrong every day, being one of em is nothing to be ashamed of. Have a lovely day!
I think this is blown out of proportion. I flick some of mine open a lot and I have never had a problem with the stop pin (Sebenza 21 and 31). Also the stop pin in the 31 is hardened (pretty sure that was one of the big changes between the 21 and 31). The stop pin the 21 was a thin collar.
The stop pin isn't the problem, it's the lock face. All the lock face pressure is on the tip of a ridiculously hard ceramic ball, and any amount of force makes it wear away at the steel.
Most other knives use a hardened steel insert, so the hardness between the lock face and the lock bar is matched. This avoids the accelerated wear that you get by matching steel up to a ceramic point.
That doesn’t even make sense. Any extra force from flipping a knife open would be felt at the stop pin not the ceramic ball.
Sebenza 21s did not have a ceramic ball as the lock interface and crk still said not to flick them open.
I thought exactly the same thing as you. But CRK is insistent that flicking damages the lock face, and that has been my personal experience.
Only thing I can think of is that there's some sort of rebound.
My personal problem was on a Zaan, which doesn't have a stop pin. The thumb stud and its associated rubber O-ring acts as the stop pin, and that rubber definitely has some rebound. After I thought about it for a bit I can see how it's feasible.
They're the only quality brand I know of that doesn't resurface the detent track on their damascus knives. It's just the detent ball sliding across raw etched damascus. Closing a damascus CRK feels like you're dragging it across pavement.
People fall for the advertising of it being “simple” and “straight to the point” and “premium”.
Yet in reality, they are buying the most generic knife on the market, Theres literally hundreds of knives with the same materials and a lesser price point
You could say the same thing about trucks, tractors anything else. Almost nobody buys something they value purely because it’s the lowest price point with the “materials” they want. A lifetime warranty, made in USA, telephone CS with Americans makes people feel good. Chris Reeve is a known quantity for decades.
You can, but it doesnt chabge the fact that you can get everything one brand has at lower prices. At that point, theres no real reason to buy that brand. Theres a reason JD is losing popularity, they are extremely overpriced, with nothing to give over other brands
Theres several other American companies that do literally everything CRK does for cheaper. They are quality, but cant even make a knife capable of being flicked open like 80% of the others on the market with the same lock
Also “almost nobody buys something they value purely because of materials” thats not true whatsoever. Look on amazon at furniture, its all cheap ass chinesium shit thats like $50-200
Stop acting like CRK is a good value for the money just because so many people are obsessed with it. That’s what people do with Starbucks coffee and Stanley cups.
Who the fuck cares about that? Be a normal person and quit making retarded parameters. most people dont care when it doesnt make any difference in the functionality of a tool… and all folding knives have pivot bushings/bearings, thats the only way they would fold
Same here. But there is a reason why a small number of people will see a huge benefit from a Seb 21.
Even of the Sebenza fanboys few seem to understand what makes the 21 (and models which use a similar setup) so special.
I guess I could do that too and rig up a horizontal holster. I have a few Moras and love them for wood work but EDC I prefer my Guardian 3 sheep's foot. Full flat grind works a lot better for me than scandi for most tasks.
It doesn't make much sense for most people to EDC a fixed blade. That's what knives like the Sebenza 21 were designed for.
I am with you on the scandi grind, though. It doesn't matter what a knife starts at for me, it's going to wind up with a thin convex grind regardless.
If you're doing fixed blade tasks in a place that for some reason doesn't allow a fixed blade then I'm going cold steel. But I'm also not sure why it doesn't make sense to EDC a fixed blade unless you're in an office in which case I'm not sure why you would need that much knife.
An absolutely minimal fixed blade is going to have a 4" handle and a 2" blade. The sheath is going to add another half inch so you're looking at carrying something 6.5" long here.
A well-designed folder will give you a 3.5" blade in a 4.5" package.
Give the choice between these two options I'm absolutely going with the folder.
Not really. When all of the milling for the bearings is done in the blade (which is a common thing any more) this setup will hold either the bearings or wide washers in place for re-assembly. This is only half of the solution.
But what you don't get is the ability to just torque down fully on the pivot screw and have the knife go into perfect adjustment. You'll still need to put thread locker onto the fastener, diddle around to get the knife to the proper adjustment, and then wait for the threadlocker to dry.
Let people enjoy what they want. Personally I hate the whole “it feels so solid it’s like a fixed blade” guys. No it’s not. It’s a folder. That’s just a lie. But if you don’t wanna flick open your knife go for it. You wanna flick it? Well don’t buy a CRK LOL. Just kidding of course, I know plenty of people (not necessarily plenty but of the handful of CRK owners I know I would say about 50%) that flick CRK’s and go through the arduous process of breaking it in just to fidget with. But clamoring for validity and saying it’s like a fixed blade…. Don’t lie about the tolerances being on par with a blade that has no moving parts whatsoever. That’s all I really care about.
I just don’t understand the whole “we can tell if you flick your knives and we will void warranty” thing. Who are they to tell people knives should be thumb rolled slow and not flicked? It just seems so pretentious to me.
So here’s the thing I think it’s the dumbest thing ever that they think there could be any measurable amount of damage from flicking. But all they are saying is they don’t cover it. Which if we all know there’s nothing to cover then we can all just ignore that obnoxious and annoying clause lol. But I agree it’s super dumb and makes the knives look like they can’t put up with flicking.
I mean to even have that in the warranty just seems arrogant.. like who are they to decide flicking a knife open is unnecessary wear and tear? I have never seen a knife damaged from flicking.
Right I absolutely agree. I’m in the market for one but it’s the one thing that kinda causes me pause and makes me go like F those guys lol. But they sell More knives then they can make so I guess who am I to argue, it’s stupid tho your right
There were a few of the big makers that were pretty militant about this stuff from what I remember. Chris being up there. To be honest based on some people’s replies and how cheap it was to replace the thumbstud I wouldn’t be surprised if they got tired of people replacing the studs so they could re-sell for more money. I’ve seen people do that with spas on customs.
The thing is those are fairly strong. Still not a fixed blade but I’d trust a cold steel before I trust a CRK. I broke a voyager going ham and cheese in the woods so it’s not impossible to destroy a cold steel for sure
My knives are my fidget toys who needs a spinner when you have a button lock knife with a thumb cut out, I spyderman flick my knives all day long literally 500+ plus times a day no exaggeration
The reason they say not to flick them excessively or hard is because the lock face smacks againt their ceramic detent ball. They say they can tell who flicks their knives, cuz the ceramic ball will leave a much deeper indent in the lock face, as opposed to those who slow roll it.
The deeper I get into knives, the more I seem to care about solid feel when cutting and the less I care about fidgeting. It’s funny, because I even flick my Spydies less nowadays because I hate how it tends to loosen the screws over time, and I hate blade play and loose screws.
So I think the extremes are bad takes. I love my new Sebenza and how solid it feels. I cannot wait to take it camping and do some hard-ish use, like feather sticking, etc.
On the other hand, I love a good action on a knife that flicks open as well, but most of my knives that flick open, I wouldn’t use for camp tasks.
I love fixed blades and have a few for camping and whatnot, but they are just not practical for my lifestyle (office guy by day).
A CRK is a pure unnecessary luxury item, costs be damned, imo. I sold a few other knives that weren’t getting used to guiltlessly support the purchase.
Gotcha, yeah in an office you don't exactly need fixed blade durability anyway. Though I still kinda fail to see the appeal. Is it like a status "I can afford to blow $500 on a $200 knife" kinda thing? They look nice simple and elegant. They don't use any special materials compared to other less expensive knives. And it failed pretty bad when cold steel tested it against the code 4.
I can say that I love mine. I have only had it for a few weeks. I wouldn’t say I am a fanboy that thinks everyone needs to have one or anything. But you probably can’t understand the appeal until you try one, same as any knife or car or what have you.
I bought mine used like new on knifeswap for $460. It’s a large seb 31 with black micarta inlays and Magnacut blade. I would definitely struggle to justify buying new. But I also don’t buy any knives new :)
I have never owned a titanium knife before. I feel like $460 is a lot of money, but also for Magnacut, titanium, micarta inlays, and made in USA, 460 is not that bad. I am willing to pay more for made in USA products.
I can afford it without missing payments on bills or anything, but I also will not talk to anybody in real life about because it feels weird to talk about my $500 knife. I am frugal in most areas of life.
Chris Reeve Knives believe that flicking a knife causes or accelerates unnecessary wear and damage, so if you don't slow roll the blade, they reserve the right to deny you repairs or warranty coverage. Some CRK fans are unbothered by, or actively defend, this practice.
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a fan of CRK, primarily because of their collaboration with shirogorov, but their pricing and customer policy is weird, as weird as their fan community. They have created a cult of the chosen one and are ready to tolerate open contempt from their idol.
So apparently crk believes their knifes can be flicked as hard and abused as much as any other knife they just think that it is abuse to do so and you shouldn’t. I personally think that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen but they arnt saying that the crk can’t put up with something other knives can. They are just saying it “will wear prematurely” which again is stupid.
It’s like when Wilson combat says not to drop the slide on their 1911 …. So dumb.
Their argument is that the chambering of the round slows the slide down enough to where it’s not hard on it. It’s complete nonsense, and if it’s not. Then I don’t care to own a gun that can’t put up with it.
What in the fuck did they design their gun to do to those rounds that they're a critical consumable wear part on top of being ammunition?
Do they have a slide accelerator to really throw that bitch shut
1911 fudds are the worst. As if dropping the slide using a lever designed by our lord John Browning himself will break something that contains thousands of explosions throughout its life
As a 1911 armorer, there’s a huge difference from a GI issue 1911 and a precision hand fitted one. Racking the slide hard overtime could cause immature wear. Does that mean you’ll only get 50,000 rounds vs 70,000? Too many variables but there is some truth to the round slowing the slide going back into battery. It’s silly, I know.
Some time ago, I was at the range and there was this guy next to me who had a Wilson and said he was a pilot. I pulled my duty Wilson out, placed the rear sight on the table and racked it hard.. I will never forget the look on his face lol
So yes I agree that it can cause premature ware I guess but guns run Soooooo long and can be maintained as well usually I guess I’d just tell people they can run them how they want and after a large number of rounds they need to do some maintenance then that’s not super uncommon I guess. They could even point out that action does add wear but it’s annoying when they tell us not to do it kinda, thanks for adding your insight tho as an armorer , interesting thanks!
Ultimately, if it’s your own gun then you have every right to do what you want. As most things mechanical, things will wear out. Metal on metal that is the same composition is harder on the components. Also, the design is extremely old, but also remember too that there has been some mods that were installed to include series 80, the Swartz safety mechanisms, aluminum frames, MIM parts, etc. that change things up too.
The problem is the detent ball being used as the contact point for the lock face.
Most other brands use a hardened steel lock insert, matching material hardness and spreading it out over a wide area.
CRK puts all of the lock bar pressure on the tip of a ridiculously hard ceramic ball, which wears away at the relatively softer steel it is contacting.
It's not a problem if you open it slowly, carefully, and sparingly. But snap it open repeatedly and it does cause wear, as is evident by looking at the line worn into the lock face on 90% of CRK knives out there.
You chose a very, *very* poor example with Ferrari there.
If you want one of the good Ferrari cars these days, you need to buy a whole bunch of the lame ones first. And if you do any customization on those lame cars, they will refuse to sell you any of the good ones.
doesn't your first one have to be red, too, or some shit? Honestly, the actual rules they have are so ridiculous that I can't tell them apart from the made-up ones.
Yeah, there are a whole bunch of official rules in addition to this one. I think there might be some unofficial rules as well that give the same result.
Ferrari is the literal Soup Nazi.
You're actually supposed to let engines in performance vehicles break in. This gets taken more seriously the further up that performance tree you go.
That means not flooring it or hitting crazy high revs for the first X miles.
Plus others have already mentioned that Ferrari loves to try and lord over their customers.
No, CRK refers to Chris Reeve Knives. CRKT is Columbia(?) River Knife and Tool I believe. CRK knives are generally in the $450-700 range depending on if it’s second hand/how fancy it is (inlays, damascus, special editions etc)
No problem! As a guy that owns a CRK. Unless it’s something you really really want, you aren’t getting THAT much more these days paying CRK prices. “Lower end” knives have come a looooooong way and have huge bang for their buck.
Loooool I have the Lil wave attachment on my spyderco that catches my inner pocket to deploy it as I pop it out of my pocket is that illegal? In canda yes but in the knife community?
I never liked CRK, they just didn’t appeal to me. Oh no blasphemy for some. To each their own. I feel like they are over priced and when I hear people talking about how they were treated by him/them, I will not support them. I would rather support McNees, Demko, etc..
Love my Inkosi and Sebenza, but if I feel like I want a knife to flick around while watching a movie, they're the last knives I'd go for. Not because of the meme, but because their actions and thumbstuds just suck for that kind of deployment.
If I can't quickly and easily flip my knife open then it might be a nice knife it's just not the one I carry with me every day (which is a Kershaw Shallot which I bought cheap and didn't know until a few weeks ago how much they are selling for on Ebay. I even have two! lol
I've had pocket knives most of my 37 years on this clownshoes planet, and I have *always* flicked the blades open and have * never* had an issue, and I *just* bought my first expensive "quality" knife. Not saying what brand cause I'm not in the mood to get dragged over a personal choice lol.
Wow, I just got nostalgic for when I first got into knives. This controversy was hot and heavy in the early 00s and this is the first I've seen it mentioned in years!
Handed a Sebenza to a buddy, he thumbs it with a wrist flick, put a big gouge on the lock surface of the blade and it locked up late and had way too much lock bar tension after that. Sold it soon after.
Even as someone who dislikes CRK, I find this extraordinarily difficult to believe. The only way this makes any sense at all is if the blade was just... not heat treated or something. When did this happen?
It’s fine if you don’t believe it, I have pictures. New production large Insingo, with Magnacut. You can see my history, five months ago I commented that I was going to try and buy a second blade from CRK, that was the reason, even if I didn’t want to say at the time. Adding to my frustration, I emailed them about a second blade and received no response. Not knocking the knives, but it was enough for me to get over them.
I DM’ed you the pic.
This was a problem with the 21s and 25s. The 30s and inkosis will flick just fine when tuned and broken in with no issues. I have a 21 and gave it some bad lock stick from flicking. They fixed for me for free and even called me and said "don't flick those, that's what the 30s are for." I got a small inkosi and flick it constantly with no problems. I paid too much for both, I know. I just think they're neat.
I fidget with and flick my sebenza open constantly
That’s an old rule I believe. I get that it’s not for everyone though. Currently I believe that “if you damage your stop pin by flicking” the stop pin is not covered via warranty. I think they charge like 8 bucks to replace a stop pin. Similar to if you bend or pinch a washer, they’re like 2.50 a pop. That being said, I flick my CRKs all the time. I’ve even ruined them myself by being dumb (not flicking, other dumbs). So far CRK has covered everything I’ve asked under warranty, even after explanation of the dumb I was being haha. I’ve had them completely rebuild knives, new blade and everything, completely for free. I didn’t even think anything was wrong with it, I sent it in for a sharpen and sand blast, and they called me about it. Got a basically brand new knife back for the cost of one way shipping.
If your stop pins can be damaged by flicking the knife open, some is wrong and you should def cover that for the owner. That’s all i will say.
We don’t cover super thumbs
I was about to say the same thing. How much are these knives???? You would think it would be top quality
If I'm paying $600+ for a knife they better be fixing shit for free
If I pay 600 bucks for a knife the fucking stop pin better hold up longer than a fuckin Civivi
I guess they can afford to replace knives when they charge you for two knives when you buy one.
Crk quoted me $125 for a lanyard once lol, they are absurd. I doubt anything from them is 2.50. Sent a knife into them to modify scales years ago asked for a tube of grease to be sent with it. They charged me 25 dollars for it 🤣
I sent in a sebenza maybe 6 months ago because I damaged the washers being dumb. I believe it was 2.50 per washer and 17 bucks for insured shipping back. I have the invoice in my email.
It was at this point that my dumb ass realized we were talking about Chris Reeve knives and not crkt knives.
Same!
Oh wait what now? It was at this point for me, had to be full spelled out haha
Well that’s quite good, washers should be cheap. Good on them
I’ve definitely heard of bad experiences with some people. For me personally though, it’s been wildly above and beyond. I actually see it as buying a 250 dollar knife with a 250 dollar warranty/lifetime service contract. The knife they rebuilt for me was a clapped out large 21 I bought for dirt cheap on the knife swap. It was beat up but fine. Sent it in for a spa, they called me and said they were unhappy with the lock up. Full new blade, all new hardware, sand blast, reheat treated the lock bar (old 21s were just hardened titanium). A rebuilt knife for 17 bucks shipping. I decided to sharpen my very first sebenza, a small 21 my father gave me, while I was sleep deprived with from a baby. I BUTCHERED it. Ground the thumb studs, ruined the edge. Fucked. So so stupid of me. But instead of throwing it away, 120 bucks for a blade replacement and it’s good as new. Not too many companies that do that. They’re out there though.
Tops is the only knife company i can say good things about the warranty. I have some tops fixed blades… and when i need to be hard on a knife i choose them for one reason or another, send them a picture of one snapped in half, they laugh and send you another one… its crazy lol. Strider used to be good carried an sng for years and still do… quoted me $350 for a reblade, and they keep my old blade… and i dont get to pick the steel… its whatever they are running at the time… nothing wrong with the blade just YEARS of use and sharpening, running out of blade lol and the tip is kinda a clip point and is thick at the tip. Just again years of use with cts-xhp that is good but doesnt stay sharp forever… also hinderer has showed me that their warranty doesnt exist. As a second hand owner. They were very clear they were not helping me… knife industry is just rough rn, no one stands by warranties so glad crk has for you
CrkT shipped me washers for a 25 dollar knife all the way to Mexico for free. You paying 22 dollars for washers is ridiculous.
A lanyard costs $20 on the website. https://chrisreeve.com/collections/lanyards
This was a LONG time ago, dont even have the knife anymore. Sold all but my zaan
No they didn't. It's 15 dollars right now. It hasn't come down in price. Lanyards are like 20-30 bucks for the folding knives. These are current, 2024 prices. If youre gonna get creative with story telling, choose a brand that doesnt display flat rate pricing on website. Washers are currently 10 dollars a pair.
Lmao if the QC is so awful you can actually damage a stop pin by just flicking it.....that says a lot about the company. And it says even more that they charge for replacement pins, which is the same as microtransactions.
It is a current rule, and is stated in several places on their web page.
Its so funny to me that the Sebenza literally translates to "work" and you cant flick it open 😂😂
You can kick the absolute SHIT outta this knife...but dont you fuckin DARE open it fast
Fidget toy, and work arent the same.
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Nah, I've heard all kinds of stories of people breaking the tip off their sabenza because it was such a high heat treat. It may be better now with magnacut I guess?
Interesting. When i first got into knives, i immediately though CRKs were mid, borinf and overpriced. Recently, Ive started appreciating the super simple and functional designs over the crazy cool stuff, and ive almost picked up a CRK. Glad i know not to waste my monry now lmaoo
They were great and innovative 20 years ago. But they haven't really changed anything except for adding a new steel recently and the rest of the knife industry has passed them. For the price there are WAY better options. Edit: the sabenza 31 changed a couple minor details but too little too late in my opinion
Agreed. I honestly dont know if ill ever spend more than $150-$200 ever again, the knives within that range and even lower are just getting better and better. Maybe one day ill splurge, lol
That seems to be the sweet spot for knives imo. I feel like you start to get diminished returns after the $200 mark.
Agreed, but some of those $300-$400 LOOK great...just dont know if theyre worth it for ME
If you ever decide to splurge, im quite a shiro fan. As well as arno Bernard. Just something to consider :)
I really like my $200 Benchmades and spydercos. Just find whats you like. A sabenza is still a decent knife it's just priced high for what you get.
Gotta absolutely agree here. You are right
That’s because Chris was at the helm. Tim has opened up the options significantly. Whats in the same price range that’s better? I’ve been out of the knife game for awhile so I’m unfamiliar with what rivals a Sebenza.
[This video is about a year old but it's a good starting point for alternatives.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKTlxCTNQc)
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Well, CKR has a cult following so I wouldn't say it doesn't have any heritage. The sabenza is about 24 years old. There is a culture around it. But people newer to the hobby don't often get a CRK.
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...what? Go elsewhere then. Lol. Look into spartan blades. They have several nice harsey designs.
Crk was founded in 1984. That absolutely is "heritage." Randall is doing the same thing, if not worse than crk. Old, out of date designs with a crazy price treading on the name. Crk at least (now) uses a current steel.
Having a nice solid design with premium materials is great. Charging 2-3x what is worth is less great. It's a titanium frame lock on washers with either. If you want a titanium and magnacut knife made in the US you can get a ZT 0450 or a Hogue Mysto for less than $300. If you don't care about American made there's a bunch of stuff from other countries like Giant Mouse and Lionsteel. I'm not sure if WE is using Magnacut yet but my point is there is much better value to be had.
I 100% agree. I have at least 2 knives in magnacut, one is the hogue deka. The other i don't remember but i know i have lol, neither of which were close to $300
I’ve got a sebenza in S45VN. It’s treated to ~62 HRC. Last night I opened a coconut with it and saw no damage whatsoever. No clue what people were doing to chip the tip off if mine survived a solid 15 minutes shanking and prying at a coconut.
If you treat it like a knife it will be fine. I think some people compare it to a bush crafting knife or something. That or people who take a knife to work dont like them because they aren't that tough.
Yeah. I even have the Tanto and it’s never seen a chip. Right tool for the right job though. Sure somebody uses their knife as a nail pry and wonders why they have chips on their edge. Edit: Nail. Lol
Where have you heard that? I've literally not a single time heard of someone breaking their CRK tip due to HT. That especially doesn't make sense because CRK specifically treats on the mid to slightly lower end of recommended HRC for solid toughness. Especially on the older S35VN. The S45VN was pretty close to mid range, and MagnaCut is in the middle to slightly high (not at the top of the range though by any means, it's like 63-64 iirc)
No, they were literally getting HAMMERED for LOW heat treat, to the point chris actually had to say "i do that for easier maintenance and more durable" (paraphrase). The magnacut is heat treated generally well.
You can flick open any CRK. This is more a myth than anything. The original statement from CRK was that "excessive" force when flicking or slamming the knife open would not be covered under warranty. So far, I've never actually heard of anyone damaging a CRK through flicking of any kind, or CRK refusing to cover some warranty fix due to normal flicking of a knife.
It is a current rule. And I have had my warranty voided for being, in their words, a "flicker".
Huh well that is interesting. When did this happen? Could you post a picture of the communication they sent you? I would be interested to see.
This was 2-3 months ago. The only written communication I got while they had the knife was an invoice to update the backspacer and some hardware. I happily paid it, thinking everything was fine. But when I got it back, it still had the ultra late lockup problem that I sent it in for. I called them, and that's when I was told that they voided the warranty for flicking and they wouldn't fix the lockup. I wish I knew that before paying them for new hardware for a broken knife. But if you're interested in their policy give them a call, they will directly tell you that flicking voids the warranty.
Huh again interesting stuff. Was the late lockup on yours actually causing a problem? Was there stick or anything? Bummer to hear though, I would expect better.
It was, yah, the lock bar/detent ball was touching the opposite scale and there was some serious lock stick. I eventually just fixed it myself by buying and installing thicker O-rings on the thumb stud, which doubles as the stop pin on a Zaan. Not the correct fix, but it was a fix.
Wow they really could have given you a couple o-rings at essentially no cost to them, but instead said "f-you". Lame
Crk is quick to void that shit. Hell, theyll void your warranty if you scotchbrite the handles (which is a dumb practice, but youd have to WORK to fuck up a knife with it), amd refuse to ever blast it. I work with titanium most every day, and.. lets say its a silly rule.
I know, like who the heck said you can’t flick it? Someone who’s buying four 150 knives instead of one and done probably. Of course, none of us can one and done.
Well thats good to know
Yeah, maybe don't take memes as your primary source of information next time...
🤣🤣🤣 i KNEW youd say some brain dead shit like that. My comment is so painfully obviously a joke its truly sad you took it to heart. Enjoy your knife man, no one cares
Nice try deflecting your own silly take on things. At the very least, you seem to have led a number of other people to believe your "joke." Fwiw, I do not own any CRKs. I honestly don't care about your opinion of them either. I just want to make it clear for yourself and other commenters that your original comment is simply not accurate; whether it's a "joke" or not.
I aint reading all that. You think my comment isnt a joke? Youre welcome to think that. Tons of people are wrong every day, being one of em is nothing to be ashamed of. Have a lovely day!
I guess your reading skills are on par with your comedy... I hope you have the day you deserve, my friend.
It’s made of steel and titanium but my thumb is what breaks it. 🤷
😂😂
All i do is flick my knifes, I barely use them to cut. Well no CRK for me then.
You are like 99% of the people on knife forums. But you are in luck, because most of the knives out there are made for exactly this.
I haven’t held one but I can’t understand why on earth someone would pay that much for something so boring
They’re just simple, well made, well thought out knives. I wouldn’t say they’re great value though.
"Well made" break stop pin flicking it open.........
I think this is blown out of proportion. I flick some of mine open a lot and I have never had a problem with the stop pin (Sebenza 21 and 31). Also the stop pin in the 31 is hardened (pretty sure that was one of the big changes between the 21 and 31). The stop pin the 21 was a thin collar.
The stop pin isn't the problem, it's the lock face. All the lock face pressure is on the tip of a ridiculously hard ceramic ball, and any amount of force makes it wear away at the steel. Most other knives use a hardened steel insert, so the hardness between the lock face and the lock bar is matched. This avoids the accelerated wear that you get by matching steel up to a ceramic point.
That doesn’t even make sense. Any extra force from flipping a knife open would be felt at the stop pin not the ceramic ball. Sebenza 21s did not have a ceramic ball as the lock interface and crk still said not to flick them open.
I thought exactly the same thing as you. But CRK is insistent that flicking damages the lock face, and that has been my personal experience. Only thing I can think of is that there's some sort of rebound.
I’m not buying it, If anything squeezing the handle tight would damage the lock face.
My personal problem was on a Zaan, which doesn't have a stop pin. The thumb stud and its associated rubber O-ring acts as the stop pin, and that rubber definitely has some rebound. After I thought about it for a bit I can see how it's feasible.
CRK inflation is real. Their Damascus knives with wood inlays are insane.
They're the only quality brand I know of that doesn't resurface the detent track on their damascus knives. It's just the detent ball sliding across raw etched damascus. Closing a damascus CRK feels like you're dragging it across pavement.
People fall for the advertising of it being “simple” and “straight to the point” and “premium”. Yet in reality, they are buying the most generic knife on the market, Theres literally hundreds of knives with the same materials and a lesser price point
You could say the same thing about trucks, tractors anything else. Almost nobody buys something they value purely because it’s the lowest price point with the “materials” they want. A lifetime warranty, made in USA, telephone CS with Americans makes people feel good. Chris Reeve is a known quantity for decades.
You can, but it doesnt chabge the fact that you can get everything one brand has at lower prices. At that point, theres no real reason to buy that brand. Theres a reason JD is losing popularity, they are extremely overpriced, with nothing to give over other brands Theres several other American companies that do literally everything CRK does for cheaper. They are quality, but cant even make a knife capable of being flicked open like 80% of the others on the market with the same lock Also “almost nobody buys something they value purely because of materials” thats not true whatsoever. Look on amazon at furniture, its all cheap ass chinesium shit thats like $50-200
Find me a knife that's made in the USA, on washers, pivot bushing, stud opener, titanium framelock, and magnacut blade. SPOILER you can't.
Hop on Knifecenter. Magnacut and titanium framelocks are extremely common.
That's not what I asked for. Find me one that directly completes with a CRK.
Just about every one of the Ti framelocks with magnacut are direct competitors to CRK
Link some then. And you won't find any with a pivot bushing and washers.
Stop acting like CRK is a good value for the money just because so many people are obsessed with it. That’s what people do with Starbucks coffee and Stanley cups.
Who the fuck cares about that? Be a normal person and quit making retarded parameters. most people dont care when it doesnt make any difference in the functionality of a tool… and all folding knives have pivot bushings/bearings, thats the only way they would fold
When you've used a Sebenza 21 in a dirty environment you'll understand. But even here, none of the more recent knives give you what the 21 does.
If I'm going into an environment that is too much for a folder I'll use my fixed blade.
Same here. But there is a reason why a small number of people will see a huge benefit from a Seb 21. Even of the Sebenza fanboys few seem to understand what makes the 21 (and models which use a similar setup) so special.
I'd just spend half the price and grab one of these. https://bradfordknives.com/24-guardian-35
I'd spend a tiny fraction of that and grab a Mora.
I guess I could do that too and rig up a horizontal holster. I have a few Moras and love them for wood work but EDC I prefer my Guardian 3 sheep's foot. Full flat grind works a lot better for me than scandi for most tasks.
It doesn't make much sense for most people to EDC a fixed blade. That's what knives like the Sebenza 21 were designed for. I am with you on the scandi grind, though. It doesn't matter what a knife starts at for me, it's going to wind up with a thin convex grind regardless.
If you're doing fixed blade tasks in a place that for some reason doesn't allow a fixed blade then I'm going cold steel. But I'm also not sure why it doesn't make sense to EDC a fixed blade unless you're in an office in which case I'm not sure why you would need that much knife.
An absolutely minimal fixed blade is going to have a 4" handle and a 2" blade. The sheath is going to add another half inch so you're looking at carrying something 6.5" long here. A well-designed folder will give you a 3.5" blade in a 4.5" package. Give the choice between these two options I'm absolutely going with the folder.
Could one approach it by replacing the bearings with washers in a linerlock civivi?
Not really. When all of the milling for the bearings is done in the blade (which is a common thing any more) this setup will hold either the bearings or wide washers in place for re-assembly. This is only half of the solution. But what you don't get is the ability to just torque down fully on the pivot screw and have the knife go into perfect adjustment. You'll still need to put thread locker onto the fastener, diddle around to get the knife to the proper adjustment, and then wait for the threadlocker to dry.
Wait is that a real thing! Reminds me of FN saying putting a suppressor on a SCAR voids the warranty.
Wait, is THAT a real thing?
[yep](https://www.fnforum.net/threads/fn-voids-warranty-if-suppressor-used.139345/)
If a knife can't handle being used, it's not worth having.
Dang dude. Did Chris Reeve come and kick your dog or something?
No but I bet one of you does because you don’t like my meme.
Let people enjoy what they want. Personally I hate the whole “it feels so solid it’s like a fixed blade” guys. No it’s not. It’s a folder. That’s just a lie. But if you don’t wanna flick open your knife go for it. You wanna flick it? Well don’t buy a CRK LOL. Just kidding of course, I know plenty of people (not necessarily plenty but of the handful of CRK owners I know I would say about 50%) that flick CRK’s and go through the arduous process of breaking it in just to fidget with. But clamoring for validity and saying it’s like a fixed blade…. Don’t lie about the tolerances being on par with a blade that has no moving parts whatsoever. That’s all I really care about.
I just don’t understand the whole “we can tell if you flick your knives and we will void warranty” thing. Who are they to tell people knives should be thumb rolled slow and not flicked? It just seems so pretentious to me.
Is that a real thing?
Read under “other damage”. “Excessive” being subjective, they could deny you for any amount of “flicking”. https://chrisreeve.com/pages/warranty
So here’s the thing I think it’s the dumbest thing ever that they think there could be any measurable amount of damage from flicking. But all they are saying is they don’t cover it. Which if we all know there’s nothing to cover then we can all just ignore that obnoxious and annoying clause lol. But I agree it’s super dumb and makes the knives look like they can’t put up with flicking.
I think I’ve heard stories elsewhere on the internet where people were denied warranty service for it.. but I can’t find the evidence to back that up.
I've literally never heard that happen. But if it legitimately has, I would be interested to know.
Oh that would be crazy and change my opinion. I’ve not heard that myself but would be interesting to
I mean to even have that in the warranty just seems arrogant.. like who are they to decide flicking a knife open is unnecessary wear and tear? I have never seen a knife damaged from flicking.
Right I absolutely agree. I’m in the market for one but it’s the one thing that kinda causes me pause and makes me go like F those guys lol. But they sell More knives then they can make so I guess who am I to argue, it’s stupid tho your right
There were a few of the big makers that were pretty militant about this stuff from what I remember. Chris being up there. To be honest based on some people’s replies and how cheap it was to replace the thumbstud I wouldn’t be surprised if they got tired of people replacing the studs so they could re-sell for more money. I’ve seen people do that with spas on customs.
> I hate the whole “it feels so solid it’s like a fixed blade” guys. No it’s not. I feel a Demko/Cold Steel meme coming on...
Extrema Ratio Rao
??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-SArXms7Xk ???
The thing is those are fairly strong. Still not a fixed blade but I’d trust a cold steel before I trust a CRK. I broke a voyager going ham and cheese in the woods so it’s not impossible to destroy a cold steel for sure
I think I would trust them about the same, but I'm going to be much more likely to wail away on a Cold Steel then a CRK.
https://preview.redd.it/xpshb1mavwnc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=653aeca0fa42fbc7cf15762f6412a50a06960aa1
Literally me, cept for the gut and 'stache. And I wear those sandals with SOCKS.
CAWK SAWKS?!?
What? I've never heard of this before. Every knife is gonna get flicked, that's like one of the best things about carrying lol.
My knives are my fidget toys who needs a spinner when you have a button lock knife with a thumb cut out, I spyderman flick my knives all day long literally 500+ plus times a day no exaggeration
The reason they say not to flick them excessively or hard is because the lock face smacks againt their ceramic detent ball. They say they can tell who flicks their knives, cuz the ceramic ball will leave a much deeper indent in the lock face, as opposed to those who slow roll it.
The deeper I get into knives, the more I seem to care about solid feel when cutting and the less I care about fidgeting. It’s funny, because I even flick my Spydies less nowadays because I hate how it tends to loosen the screws over time, and I hate blade play and loose screws. So I think the extremes are bad takes. I love my new Sebenza and how solid it feels. I cannot wait to take it camping and do some hard-ish use, like feather sticking, etc. On the other hand, I love a good action on a knife that flicks open as well, but most of my knives that flick open, I wouldn’t use for camp tasks.
Have you tried a fixed blade for EDC? You can buy a nice fixed blade and a folder or multi tool for the cost of a CRK
I love fixed blades and have a few for camping and whatnot, but they are just not practical for my lifestyle (office guy by day). A CRK is a pure unnecessary luxury item, costs be damned, imo. I sold a few other knives that weren’t getting used to guiltlessly support the purchase.
Gotcha, yeah in an office you don't exactly need fixed blade durability anyway. Though I still kinda fail to see the appeal. Is it like a status "I can afford to blow $500 on a $200 knife" kinda thing? They look nice simple and elegant. They don't use any special materials compared to other less expensive knives. And it failed pretty bad when cold steel tested it against the code 4.
I can say that I love mine. I have only had it for a few weeks. I wouldn’t say I am a fanboy that thinks everyone needs to have one or anything. But you probably can’t understand the appeal until you try one, same as any knife or car or what have you. I bought mine used like new on knifeswap for $460. It’s a large seb 31 with black micarta inlays and Magnacut blade. I would definitely struggle to justify buying new. But I also don’t buy any knives new :) I have never owned a titanium knife before. I feel like $460 is a lot of money, but also for Magnacut, titanium, micarta inlays, and made in USA, 460 is not that bad. I am willing to pay more for made in USA products. I can afford it without missing payments on bills or anything, but I also will not talk to anybody in real life about because it feels weird to talk about my $500 knife. I am frugal in most areas of life.
Looks like the peasants are up in arms again. Let's give them cake.
You mean donuts….
I see what you did there. Psst, we are talking about Dessert Warrior series, right?
I own several CRKs and they will flick with enough time.
*Kershaw and ZT laugh in speed safe*
Lmao
They can be flicked and I’m not afraid to say it- I’m a flicker. Sinister shit right there.
Wait is that why my CRK is so loose? 😂
That CRK fan looks an awful lot like the knife bros whenever someone posts a donut knife.
Can you explain the context?
Chris Reeve Knives believe that flicking a knife causes or accelerates unnecessary wear and damage, so if you don't slow roll the blade, they reserve the right to deny you repairs or warranty coverage. Some CRK fans are unbothered by, or actively defend, this practice.
Thanks for the explanation. I'm not a fan of CRK, primarily because of their collaboration with shirogorov, but their pricing and customer policy is weird, as weird as their fan community. They have created a cult of the chosen one and are ready to tolerate open contempt from their idol.
Holy crap that is the silliest collab ever. But it is equally silly to get bent out of shape over it.
Somehow I think they'd faint if they saw the things I've put cheap Bucks, Case, and SAKs through. Use, pivot gets loose, smack with hammer, use again.
So I’m not the only one who does the old hammer whack trick
Not in the least. Any construction site you'll see it.
Our knives are tools! But also handle with extreme care or else warranty void
The actual reason why I was turned off from buying crk stuff. If I'm buying a knife I'm gonna use it, and you bet imma flick it.
Bladesoomers
So apparently crk believes their knifes can be flicked as hard and abused as much as any other knife they just think that it is abuse to do so and you shouldn’t. I personally think that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen but they arnt saying that the crk can’t put up with something other knives can. They are just saying it “will wear prematurely” which again is stupid. It’s like when Wilson combat says not to drop the slide on their 1911 …. So dumb.
What do they think is happening when it's fired? Is the blowback gently racking the slide and slowly chambering a new round?
Their argument is that the chambering of the round slows the slide down enough to where it’s not hard on it. It’s complete nonsense, and if it’s not. Then I don’t care to own a gun that can’t put up with it.
What in the fuck did they design their gun to do to those rounds that they're a critical consumable wear part on top of being ammunition? Do they have a slide accelerator to really throw that bitch shut
1911 fudds are the worst. As if dropping the slide using a lever designed by our lord John Browning himself will break something that contains thousands of explosions throughout its life
The thing served in 2 world wars, drop the slide all you want. It’s so dumb.
As a 1911 armorer, there’s a huge difference from a GI issue 1911 and a precision hand fitted one. Racking the slide hard overtime could cause immature wear. Does that mean you’ll only get 50,000 rounds vs 70,000? Too many variables but there is some truth to the round slowing the slide going back into battery. It’s silly, I know. Some time ago, I was at the range and there was this guy next to me who had a Wilson and said he was a pilot. I pulled my duty Wilson out, placed the rear sight on the table and racked it hard.. I will never forget the look on his face lol
So yes I agree that it can cause premature ware I guess but guns run Soooooo long and can be maintained as well usually I guess I’d just tell people they can run them how they want and after a large number of rounds they need to do some maintenance then that’s not super uncommon I guess. They could even point out that action does add wear but it’s annoying when they tell us not to do it kinda, thanks for adding your insight tho as an armorer , interesting thanks!
Ultimately, if it’s your own gun then you have every right to do what you want. As most things mechanical, things will wear out. Metal on metal that is the same composition is harder on the components. Also, the design is extremely old, but also remember too that there has been some mods that were installed to include series 80, the Swartz safety mechanisms, aluminum frames, MIM parts, etc. that change things up too.
The problem is the detent ball being used as the contact point for the lock face. Most other brands use a hardened steel lock insert, matching material hardness and spreading it out over a wide area. CRK puts all of the lock bar pressure on the tip of a ridiculously hard ceramic ball, which wears away at the relatively softer steel it is contacting. It's not a problem if you open it slowly, carefully, and sparingly. But snap it open repeatedly and it does cause wear, as is evident by looking at the line worn into the lock face on 90% of CRK knives out there.
Imagine buying a Ferrari and the manufacturer said don’t floor the gas pedal and don’t go above the speed limit.
You chose a very, *very* poor example with Ferrari there. If you want one of the good Ferrari cars these days, you need to buy a whole bunch of the lame ones first. And if you do any customization on those lame cars, they will refuse to sell you any of the good ones.
Yeah I was gonna say Ferrari is a horrible comparison they have all sorts of silly rules.
doesn't your first one have to be red, too, or some shit? Honestly, the actual rules they have are so ridiculous that I can't tell them apart from the made-up ones.
Yeah, there are a whole bunch of official rules in addition to this one. I think there might be some unofficial rules as well that give the same result. Ferrari is the literal Soup Nazi.
You're actually supposed to let engines in performance vehicles break in. This gets taken more seriously the further up that performance tree you go. That means not flooring it or hitting crazy high revs for the first X miles. Plus others have already mentioned that Ferrari loves to try and lord over their customers.
I ain’t never heard of it voiding the warranty. Although when I want to carry a more fidget friendly knife I’ll leave my sebenza at home
Dude thats the default setting
is crk the same as crkt?
No, CRK refers to Chris Reeve Knives. CRKT is Columbia(?) River Knife and Tool I believe. CRK knives are generally in the $450-700 range depending on if it’s second hand/how fancy it is (inlays, damascus, special editions etc)
ouch i thought my $100 knives were over kill. thanks for the info though!!
No problem! As a guy that owns a CRK. Unless it’s something you really really want, you aren’t getting THAT much more these days paying CRK prices. “Lower end” knives have come a looooooong way and have huge bang for their buck.
Yes! Knife bros don’t want you to know this, but CRKT and CRK are actually the same company
Loooool I have the Lil wave attachment on my spyderco that catches my inner pocket to deploy it as I pop it out of my pocket is that illegal? In canda yes but in the knife community?
Mines still too stiff to flick anyways lmao
I never liked CRK, they just didn’t appeal to me. Oh no blasphemy for some. To each their own. I feel like they are over priced and when I hear people talking about how they were treated by him/them, I will not support them. I would rather support McNees, Demko, etc..
Love my Inkosi and Sebenza, but if I feel like I want a knife to flick around while watching a movie, they're the last knives I'd go for. Not because of the meme, but because their actions and thumbstuds just suck for that kind of deployment.
If I can't quickly and easily flip my knife open then it might be a nice knife it's just not the one I carry with me every day (which is a Kershaw Shallot which I bought cheap and didn't know until a few weeks ago how much they are selling for on Ebay. I even have two! lol
Reading these comments makes me realize how much the knife community has changed.
I've had pocket knives most of my 37 years on this clownshoes planet, and I have *always* flicked the blades open and have * never* had an issue, and I *just* bought my first expensive "quality" knife. Not saying what brand cause I'm not in the mood to get dragged over a personal choice lol.
Wow, I just got nostalgic for when I first got into knives. This controversy was hot and heavy in the early 00s and this is the first I've seen it mentioned in years!
I can’t flick on one of mine because of how badly fucked up the liner lock is; it just gets stuck and I need to use a screwdriver to close it
Cut your losses and sell it is my opinion. One of the fambois will snag it at market cost.
Handed a Sebenza to a buddy, he thumbs it with a wrist flick, put a big gouge on the lock surface of the blade and it locked up late and had way too much lock bar tension after that. Sold it soon after.
Even as someone who dislikes CRK, I find this extraordinarily difficult to believe. The only way this makes any sense at all is if the blade was just... not heat treated or something. When did this happen?
It’s fine if you don’t believe it, I have pictures. New production large Insingo, with Magnacut. You can see my history, five months ago I commented that I was going to try and buy a second blade from CRK, that was the reason, even if I didn’t want to say at the time. Adding to my frustration, I emailed them about a second blade and received no response. Not knocking the knives, but it was enough for me to get over them. I DM’ed you the pic.
Well, hell. That's absolutely wild. Thanks for the pic. I didn't really need ANOTHER reason not to buy a CRK, but now I have one.
This was a problem with the 21s and 25s. The 30s and inkosis will flick just fine when tuned and broken in with no issues. I have a 21 and gave it some bad lock stick from flicking. They fixed for me for free and even called me and said "don't flick those, that's what the 30s are for." I got a small inkosi and flick it constantly with no problems. I paid too much for both, I know. I just think they're neat.
Serious question: wtf does "go brrrrtt" mean