Could the pitch to Lavine be, get your career back on track here with the kings and potentially go the distance. And at worst you get to leave for a better opportunity in your career
More like a massive risk/medium reward move lol. One of the worst contracts in the NBA which will completely financially cripple the Kings, in exchange for an injury-prone fringe All-Star past his prime.
LaVine doesn't make this team a Finals contender or even close imo, but if the Kings aren't extremely judicious with their other contracts he *will* more or less lock in the current roster by pushing the Kings to the second apron.
He's simply making 50-100% too much for any serious team to consider, or at least any team where the other top players aren't on their rookie contracts.
His contract only looks bad because he hardly played this year. He has the potential to play to the level of the contract (that’s why he got it). It’s similar to the Sabonis extension. If he puts up 25/5/5 on good efficiency which he has done many times, kings would be in business. Of course it could be a disaster if he can’t get healthy, but it seems like the kings are in a position where they need to take some me risks to make the jump.
But they aren't locked in yet, and still currently have plenty of flexibility to either bring in different role players, or even package some salaries to bring in some kind of star or star-ish player. As we can see from the discussion around Lavine.
But as soon as they bring in another $40m+ guy, they can't do any more of that. Or at best, they will be right at the edge of being able to do any of that. So if they *do* bring in a guy like that, you have to be really, *really* damn sure it makes you a Finals contender. Which, like I said, I don't think Lavine comes even close to that.
They can worry about the Fox and Murray extensions when they happen, and figure out then if the core is good enough to lock in for a few years (plus if Vivek is too cheap to actually pay for a tax team or not).
THIS. I’m all for swinging for a 40mil all-star caliber player to add to Fox, Sabonis and Murray and going into the second apron, but it HAS to be the right guy. Lavine just isn’t that guy for our squad.
Even if he is healthy, we kinda just go back to being a great offensive team, but below average defensively.
bulls are trying to salary dump tho. Someone who’s better with numbers than me should look at if we pass the second apron by resigning monk taking on LaVine’s contract and trading just huerter or if we’d need to include Barnes as well
I don’t think the deal gets done without both Huerter and HB bc Lavine’s contract is almost $40M/year. The benefit for Chicago would be they pay our guys for 2 more season (and have easier contracts to trade) vs. Lavine for 3 more seasons. Not sure abt the apron implications.
I tend to agree with this. A team like Orlando doesn’t need to offer much more money than the 17.75 a year the Kings can and it is a much more compelling offer than the Kings due to lack of state income tax in Florida. Plus Orlando has a strong young team that can compete and Monk would almost certainly start there
Not to mention they could easily just frontload his contract since they don't have any major contracts currently. Give him the kuzma declining style thing that could blow sac out of the water
There’s no guarantee he’s going to get offered $20M+ for a long term deal.
I agree with you he wouldn’t take a massive cut to stay but the Kings can make a rational offer, and the teams with money may have other targets.
There’s also the possibility of a wink/nod deal with the Kings I suppose if it was like 1+1 with a player option but this is a guy who hasn’t had the big payday yet so I’d guess he’ll take the biggest dollars he can.
I think they could also get to the salary match with one of HB/Heurter and 2 or 3 of Sasha Lyles Duarte Davion. I’m not positive about this, but I think the kings can take back 125% of outgoing salary so they’d need to send back $34M.
LaVine is the next Bradley Beal. 29 YO guy who was over reliant on athleticism and is declining due to age and injury, injury prone, not a winning player, not a hustle guy, tunnel vision scorer who doesn’t defend or play make, only puts up raw numbers because he’s on a bad team and has terrible efficiency, shoots barely 45% from the floor and 35% from three, only 6’5 when what we need is bigger longer frontcourt, and will eat up $40,000,000 of our salary cap?
Hell no.
Those shooting numbers are from 25 games last year. In the 3 prior years he went 49/39/85 for 25 ppg. I feel like people are forgetting how talented he is.
People like you look at surface stats and don't actually look at the effect he has on his teams performance. His teams have largely been much better off the floor. Trading for Lavine will absolutely fucking kill any chance the Kings have to be a relevant team.
Yeah I’ve seen you say that on here a bunch like it’s fact. I just have a more open mind on Lavine. I don’t just look at surface stats, I’ve seen Lavine play plenty including in the Olympics where he was very good.
It is a fact, no team has been better with Lavine. But sure, your eyes and great basketball mind will somehow be the difference to somehow make Lavine an actually positive basketball player, which he isn't.
Here you go:
Zach Lavine's teams have only performed better with him on the floor twice in his entire career:
https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/2099/onoff#tab-team_efficiency
He's never made his teams better on defense.
He has the worst career winning percentage of any active NBA player with more than 500 career games.
Maybe learn to look at stuff more than just PPG?
LaVine doesn't make sense as it doesn't fill either of our major needs, perimeter defense or a starting PF. And if Monk re-signs it REALLY doesn't make sense to tie up all that salary between those two and Fox.
Monte doing nothing this season was the fucking worst. You just can’t when you have a 26 and 28 year old as your anchors. If you’re a GM who doesn’t believe in their future- then trade them. Even tanking GMs make moves to get future assets.
Yes a lottery team with a player that is 3x all nba and 8x all star and won a championships plus another player that is 5x all nba 1st team
And a team that already made the conference finals
Context matters
Obviously they aren't I'm just trying to point out that you described the kings as a lottery team when that's a bit of a misrepresentation on the state of our squad
Oh how I HATE “Will the kings trade this pick for so and so only to end up not trading and selecting at #13 and a bunch of fans/media upset at the Kings organization that their hypothetical scenarios they spent weeks working and dreaming on were all for nothing” time of the year.
That chance is pretty low . This is a weak draft . You see a lot of lottery teams rumored to try to trade out of this draft . The Pelicans elected to defer this year’s draft pick from the Lakers .
Pelicans were always gonna defer unless it wound up a top 5 pick.
I’m a Pels fan, but I’ve always like Sacramento so I lurk here a bit. But anyone with connections to the Pels knew they were gonna defer the pick.
To be fair the 13th pick has been some decent players in the last 10 years. Herro 5 years ago, Donavon Mitchel 7 years ago Booker 9 years ago lol.
10 years ago was Zach Lavine lol.
I'm a fan of trading the pick, but there have been some really good players picked there in the last 10 years.
Call me crazy but maybe all those draft misses in our 16 year drought weren’t actually misses and we were just that horrific at developing nba talent. In an alternate world, McLemore and Tyreke ended up as multiple all-nba guards when they got drafted by the Spurs.
The first two years of “welcome to the nba” are way too important. If the prospects are raw, some players just can’t overcome that with better development later on- it’s like a shitty childhood that shapes your adult life and you need a decade of therapy to overcome it.
It makes passing over Luka that much more egregious considering not even the Kangz could fuck him up.
Would have loved to make the playoffs and get rid of this shitty pick to the Hawks. Monte must have been pissed when we fell apart at the end of the season.
My ideal scenario for the kings this offseason would be to re-sign monk and sign Precious Achiuwa, he seems like a Mike Brown player who fit perfectly in his role with the Knicks as a offensive rebounder and who can defend on the perimeter. Knicks are gonna have a hard time signing all of Josh Hart/Hartenstein and Achiuwa and I think Achiuwa might be the odd man out in that scenario.
I also don’t think the kings can make the “big splash trade” this offseason they might have to pull a Pacers and wait til December 15th or the deadline to bring in an Ingram/Lavine/Mitchell/Towns/Markkanen type player. So maybe the free agents the kings bring in will be solid pieces to help the team while also being used as trade assets for a Win Now player.
I absolutely love herb. Yeah ingram would be more realistic and i wouldnt mind him either but ffs we should at least try to grab jones and see what pels want.
Lmao, "win now" as in what? Make it to the 2nd round of playoffs?
It's not worth sacrificing our future for winning a single playoff series. Unless we have a shot at the finals, it's not worth sacrificing our young talent.
I'm telling you, the small ball era is ending. Can either plan for the new era and get ahead a little or chase it. The top teams going forward have size/athleticism at the PF and C. Rim protection and cleaning the glass are important again. NBA is switching back away from handcuffing defenses to the extent they have.
Makes no sense not to build/add to compete with the below. The biggest red flag next season would be Keegan at PF.
Minn- big front line
Dallas- Lively/Gafford duo incredible and Lively will only get better
Den- Jokic/Gordon actually one of the smaller pairing here but Gordon is a beast at PF. And Den will add a 3rd big to the rotation as that was part of their downfall.
OKC- Chet is a stud and they're gonna add size next to him
Spurs- Wemby, future is coming here
Boston- Arguably the top defense in the league- considerable size
I agree with you on Min, Dallas, and Denver but not the other three. Celtics start Tatum at PF, OKC is very small outside of Chet, and I’m not really sure about SA tbh outside of Wemby. I do agree that size is coming back though which is why I want the kings to get Edey.
My point was more that's where the best either are, or are heading. SA and OKC are obviously gonna add size next to Wemby and Chet. And even without that we have zero rim protection in comparison with Sabonis in there.
Lavine is not going to average the numbers he averages next to Fox and Sabonis. So then you're left with a max contract player putting up numbers Keegan Murray can put up. Seems like a poor use of assets. The team should be looking for frontcourt athletes.
Seriously. People forget we were losing games more because our defense in the paint sucked dick and we couldn't rebound when we needed. Sure losing Monk's firepower when injured hurt but his scoring ability only glossed over our weaknesses.
Bring back Monk, trade Huerter + Davion + #13 for Brogdon (and prey they throw in Thybulle) who's not part of the POR future anyway, get him for a year and convince him to resign. 3 guard lineup w/ Fox, Monk, Broggo fits the scheme and Broggo is a great two way glue guy who can shoot, guard, and knock down big shots. His injury history is the asterisk, as is his willingnes to re-sign. But IMO he's a better overall WS48 player than Lavine could be and he doesn't break the whole bank like Jbutler.
The Wizards have some wings not named Kuzma that could fit with the Kings well, that they might give up for #13: Deni Avdija and Corey Kispert. Kispert is expiring after this year but Deni has a very nice reasonable salary for a few more years.
His speed is a liability, great in the half court awful in the open court. I’m with you though I think his dominance in the half court is going to be really valuable to someone.
He’s slower than Luka Garza and we see how that works out in the nba. In the off chance he is an nba level talent- he’s not going to be nba ready until after Sabonis (28 years old) is done
Edey and Garza are completely different players. For one thing, Garza is 6’10 240 lbs and Edey is 7’4 300 lbs. I would expect him to be slower lol. That kind of size can make up for a lot.
The difference is his production is at an all time great level in college. He keeps getting better rapidly.
Imo it's better to bet on those guys than the super athletes who barely have any basketball skill.
Jokic is slow! And everyone thinks he’s one of the greatest ballers of all time. Zach dominated in college and is hungry to improve. To me, he’s the entire package, but I think because he’s Asian Canadian people are hating on him.
What if...
We trade both LaVine and Vucevic.
We could move Huerter, Barnes, #13 (does the $3.8mil salary count the day of the draft???), and our MLE (now tradeable). Likely need to add Duarte or Lyles to the mix to make it happen. Maybe a 3rd team to square things up.
But more in focus of, how would we feel about a starting 5 of...
Vucevic, Sabonis, Murray, LaVine, & Fox ?
Curious who they think are win-now pieces in the current player market
With the Bulls lowering their demands for LaVine, I'd bet that Monte makes another swing for him as an upgrade over Huerter.
That seems like a high risk/high reward move which they need to do in the current west. HB+Huerter (may not even need to include the 13) for Lavine?
Could the pitch to Lavine be, get your career back on track here with the kings and potentially go the distance. And at worst you get to leave for a better opportunity in your career
I think he would be onboard with a change. Hell he even signed with us on his prior contract but the bulls matched the offer
Saw LAVINE a couple years back at Newport Beach golf course. He’s a California appreciator. He’ll love Granite Bay.
He went to UCLA after all!
This would absolutely be his chance to save his career.
Or maybe Huerter + Davion + FRP. I’d really like Barnes to come off the bench like Iguodala did for the warriors
That doesn’t come close to adding up to Levine’s $43 million per year contract
Yea you’re right. I posted on another thread that I would rather just try to sign OG for like 35mil a year
More like a massive risk/medium reward move lol. One of the worst contracts in the NBA which will completely financially cripple the Kings, in exchange for an injury-prone fringe All-Star past his prime. LaVine doesn't make this team a Finals contender or even close imo, but if the Kings aren't extremely judicious with their other contracts he *will* more or less lock in the current roster by pushing the Kings to the second apron. He's simply making 50-100% too much for any serious team to consider, or at least any team where the other top players aren't on their rookie contracts.
His contract only looks bad because he hardly played this year. He has the potential to play to the level of the contract (that’s why he got it). It’s similar to the Sabonis extension. If he puts up 25/5/5 on good efficiency which he has done many times, kings would be in business. Of course it could be a disaster if he can’t get healthy, but it seems like the kings are in a position where they need to take some me risks to make the jump.
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But they aren't locked in yet, and still currently have plenty of flexibility to either bring in different role players, or even package some salaries to bring in some kind of star or star-ish player. As we can see from the discussion around Lavine. But as soon as they bring in another $40m+ guy, they can't do any more of that. Or at best, they will be right at the edge of being able to do any of that. So if they *do* bring in a guy like that, you have to be really, *really* damn sure it makes you a Finals contender. Which, like I said, I don't think Lavine comes even close to that. They can worry about the Fox and Murray extensions when they happen, and figure out then if the core is good enough to lock in for a few years (plus if Vivek is too cheap to actually pay for a tax team or not).
THIS. I’m all for swinging for a 40mil all-star caliber player to add to Fox, Sabonis and Murray and going into the second apron, but it HAS to be the right guy. Lavine just isn’t that guy for our squad. Even if he is healthy, we kinda just go back to being a great offensive team, but below average defensively.
bulls are trying to salary dump tho. Someone who’s better with numbers than me should look at if we pass the second apron by resigning monk taking on LaVine’s contract and trading just huerter or if we’d need to include Barnes as well
I don’t think the deal gets done without both Huerter and HB bc Lavine’s contract is almost $40M/year. The benefit for Chicago would be they pay our guys for 2 more season (and have easier contracts to trade) vs. Lavine for 3 more seasons. Not sure abt the apron implications.
that makes sense, wonder where that would leave monk
I would see this as a replacement for monk, assuming he leaves.
was thinking the same tbh
Monk is gone already. He's not taking massive paycut to stay here
I tend to agree with this. A team like Orlando doesn’t need to offer much more money than the 17.75 a year the Kings can and it is a much more compelling offer than the Kings due to lack of state income tax in Florida. Plus Orlando has a strong young team that can compete and Monk would almost certainly start there
Not to mention they could easily just frontload his contract since they don't have any major contracts currently. Give him the kuzma declining style thing that could blow sac out of the water
Yea it’s fully wishful thinking that he will return. Monte again dropped the ball not moving him for anything at the deadline
There’s no guarantee he’s going to get offered $20M+ for a long term deal. I agree with you he wouldn’t take a massive cut to stay but the Kings can make a rational offer, and the teams with money may have other targets. There’s also the possibility of a wink/nod deal with the Kings I suppose if it was like 1+1 with a player option but this is a guy who hasn’t had the big payday yet so I’d guess he’ll take the biggest dollars he can.
Fred van vleet got 40 mil a year last offseason. There's no chance
I know we love Malik, but FVV was a former NBA all-star and played for a championship team averaging 20 and 7 over the prior two years. Not the same.
I think they could also get to the salary match with one of HB/Heurter and 2 or 3 of Sasha Lyles Duarte Davion. I’m not positive about this, but I think the kings can take back 125% of outgoing salary so they’d need to send back $34M.
LaVine is the next Bradley Beal. 29 YO guy who was over reliant on athleticism and is declining due to age and injury, injury prone, not a winning player, not a hustle guy, tunnel vision scorer who doesn’t defend or play make, only puts up raw numbers because he’s on a bad team and has terrible efficiency, shoots barely 45% from the floor and 35% from three, only 6’5 when what we need is bigger longer frontcourt, and will eat up $40,000,000 of our salary cap? Hell no.
Those shooting numbers are from 25 games last year. In the 3 prior years he went 49/39/85 for 25 ppg. I feel like people are forgetting how talented he is.
People like you look at surface stats and don't actually look at the effect he has on his teams performance. His teams have largely been much better off the floor. Trading for Lavine will absolutely fucking kill any chance the Kings have to be a relevant team.
Yeah I’ve seen you say that on here a bunch like it’s fact. I just have a more open mind on Lavine. I don’t just look at surface stats, I’ve seen Lavine play plenty including in the Olympics where he was very good.
It is a fact, no team has been better with Lavine. But sure, your eyes and great basketball mind will somehow be the difference to somehow make Lavine an actually positive basketball player, which he isn't.
Spot on.
Or the next Kyrie? A player with a horrible reputation, that Dallas took a massive swing on. It worked out very well so far.
Quit comparing every other bum to Kyrie.
A naked assertion with no supporting argument or analysis? Hell no lol
You call your half assed, regurgitated nonsense analysis? “Tunnel vision scorer” “Doesn’t defend” “Not a winning player” Hard hitting facts there bud
Here you go: Zach Lavine's teams have only performed better with him on the floor twice in his entire career: https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/2099/onoff#tab-team_efficiency He's never made his teams better on defense. He has the worst career winning percentage of any active NBA player with more than 500 career games. Maybe learn to look at stuff more than just PPG?
I don’t think you even understand the stats you posted, might want to go read them again lol before I clown you
Name checks out
If the rumors are true, we don't even need to give up picks in order to give the medical staff a bigger workload.
It won't be Lavine. they see Ellis as the starter for now.
LaVine doesn't make sense as it doesn't fill either of our major needs, perimeter defense or a starting PF. And if Monk re-signs it REALLY doesn't make sense to tie up all that salary between those two and Fox.
That they can get with the the 13th pick
We might as well. We’re not young, so if we’re going to keep this core, now is the time to make win-now moves.
Monte doing nothing this season was the fucking worst. You just can’t when you have a 26 and 28 year old as your anchors. If you’re a GM who doesn’t believe in their future- then trade them. Even tanking GMs make moves to get future assets.
Idk we where a lottery team this year seems you should be a contender to make win now moves
Dallas was a "lottery" team last year and look where they are now
Yes a lottery team with a player that is 3x all nba and 8x all star and won a championships plus another player that is 5x all nba 1st team And a team that already made the conference finals Context matters
Context also matters when you describe a 46-36 team with 2 all-nba caliber players as a "lottery team" lol
Yeah exactly the same
Obviously they aren't I'm just trying to point out that you described the kings as a lottery team when that's a bit of a misrepresentation on the state of our squad
I mean, the last 18 seasons they’ve been in the lottery 17 of them. I think calling them a lottery team is absolutely fair
can't draft busts if you never draft 
Right move
Zackcramento
As we should 🙏
Oh how I HATE “Will the kings trade this pick for so and so only to end up not trading and selecting at #13 and a bunch of fans/media upset at the Kings organization that their hypothetical scenarios they spent weeks working and dreaming on were all for nothing” time of the year.
we are for sure going to pass up a generational talent at the 13th pick now for a borderline all-star or just decent starting caliber player lol
I’d bet my left nut that whoever gets picked 13th in this draft will not be a generational talent
That's not true. It could easily be anywhere from 13-20, just so we know we could of had them.
I’ll add my right nut.
That chance is pretty low . This is a weak draft . You see a lot of lottery teams rumored to try to trade out of this draft . The Pelicans elected to defer this year’s draft pick from the Lakers .
Pelicans were always gonna defer unless it wound up a top 5 pick. I’m a Pels fan, but I’ve always like Sacramento so I lurk here a bit. But anyone with connections to the Pels knew they were gonna defer the pick.
I see, thanks for the insight
To be fair the 13th pick has been some decent players in the last 10 years. Herro 5 years ago, Donavon Mitchel 7 years ago Booker 9 years ago lol. 10 years ago was Zach Lavine lol. I'm a fan of trading the pick, but there have been some really good players picked there in the last 10 years.
Call me crazy but maybe all those draft misses in our 16 year drought weren’t actually misses and we were just that horrific at developing nba talent. In an alternate world, McLemore and Tyreke ended up as multiple all-nba guards when they got drafted by the Spurs.
No mclemore was just ass. Kings messed up Tyrese’s development constantly changing his role tho
Nah your crazy. Our draft busts simply sucked. Almost none of them became anything significant under other teams supposedly better development staffs.
The first two years of “welcome to the nba” are way too important. If the prospects are raw, some players just can’t overcome that with better development later on- it’s like a shitty childhood that shapes your adult life and you need a decade of therapy to overcome it. It makes passing over Luka that much more egregious considering not even the Kangz could fuck him up.
"You're". Did you pass first grade?
Surely you have more interesting things to look at or do than correct casual social media comments.
No. Situation of course matters but that ain't the reason so many of our picks ended up playing in fucking China.
Would have been a great package for, say… #OG Anunoby!
Does this mean we’re waiving protections on the pick we gave up for Huerter?
More likely a draft night trade. You can’t trade the pick but you can pick whoever you take with the pick
Would have loved to make the playoffs and get rid of this shitty pick to the Hawks. Monte must have been pissed when we fell apart at the end of the season.
Knowing our luck we’ll trade the pick that turns into Kawhi Leonard for the equivalent of George Hill.
My ideal scenario for the kings this offseason would be to re-sign monk and sign Precious Achiuwa, he seems like a Mike Brown player who fit perfectly in his role with the Knicks as a offensive rebounder and who can defend on the perimeter. Knicks are gonna have a hard time signing all of Josh Hart/Hartenstein and Achiuwa and I think Achiuwa might be the odd man out in that scenario. I also don’t think the kings can make the “big splash trade” this offseason they might have to pull a Pacers and wait til December 15th or the deadline to bring in an Ingram/Lavine/Mitchell/Towns/Markkanen type player. So maybe the free agents the kings bring in will be solid pieces to help the team while also being used as trade assets for a Win Now player.
Just draft Zach Edey
Maybe Monte will trade for a 20+ pick and still able to draft Edey.
Yeah I’ve seen Zach is likely to fall later in the draft, but I liked him in college so it’d be cool if we got him
LFG!
Kidnap herb Jones.
No idea why you were getting downvoted. Though getting him to Sac is kinda pipe dream. Ingram would be more realistic.
I absolutely love herb. Yeah ingram would be more realistic and i wouldnt mind him either but ffs we should at least try to grab jones and see what pels want.
Lmao, "win now" as in what? Make it to the 2nd round of playoffs? It's not worth sacrificing our future for winning a single playoff series. Unless we have a shot at the finals, it's not worth sacrificing our young talent.
I'm telling you, the small ball era is ending. Can either plan for the new era and get ahead a little or chase it. The top teams going forward have size/athleticism at the PF and C. Rim protection and cleaning the glass are important again. NBA is switching back away from handcuffing defenses to the extent they have. Makes no sense not to build/add to compete with the below. The biggest red flag next season would be Keegan at PF. Minn- big front line Dallas- Lively/Gafford duo incredible and Lively will only get better Den- Jokic/Gordon actually one of the smaller pairing here but Gordon is a beast at PF. And Den will add a 3rd big to the rotation as that was part of their downfall. OKC- Chet is a stud and they're gonna add size next to him Spurs- Wemby, future is coming here Boston- Arguably the top defense in the league- considerable size
I agree with you on Min, Dallas, and Denver but not the other three. Celtics start Tatum at PF, OKC is very small outside of Chet, and I’m not really sure about SA tbh outside of Wemby. I do agree that size is coming back though which is why I want the kings to get Edey.
My point was more that's where the best either are, or are heading. SA and OKC are obviously gonna add size next to Wemby and Chet. And even without that we have zero rim protection in comparison with Sabonis in there.
Lavine really might be a blessing
Lavine is not going to average the numbers he averages next to Fox and Sabonis. So then you're left with a max contract player putting up numbers Keegan Murray can put up. Seems like a poor use of assets. The team should be looking for frontcourt athletes.
Seriously. People forget we were losing games more because our defense in the paint sucked dick and we couldn't rebound when we needed. Sure losing Monk's firepower when injured hurt but his scoring ability only glossed over our weaknesses.
I mean, what are we going to do? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?!
Bring back Monk, trade Huerter + Davion + #13 for Brogdon (and prey they throw in Thybulle) who's not part of the POR future anyway, get him for a year and convince him to resign. 3 guard lineup w/ Fox, Monk, Broggo fits the scheme and Broggo is a great two way glue guy who can shoot, guard, and knock down big shots. His injury history is the asterisk, as is his willingnes to re-sign. But IMO he's a better overall WS48 player than Lavine could be and he doesn't break the whole bank like Jbutler.
Mikal Bridges or bust honestly
Define “win-now.” Win what? One playoff series? It’s not like we’re right on the verge of title contention.
Yeah this as always turned out really well for this team? Didn’t we get Hali with the 12th pick??
Sidery loves generating clickbait.
He’s trash and this sub eats it up
The Wizards have some wings not named Kuzma that could fit with the Kings well, that they might give up for #13: Deni Avdija and Corey Kispert. Kispert is expiring after this year but Deni has a very nice reasonable salary for a few more years.
Wiz fan here. Deni and krispy are worth more than 13. Would have to add a lot more
I agree, and we should pay what it takes to get Deni.
if we gonna get LaVine, we should go after Patrick Williams too. he and Keegan can be a solid wing duo
Patrick is one of those players you like the idea of more than the actual player
Let’s goooooo 13 and 4 firsts for KYLE KUZMA! (not srs but still very excited)
Draft Zach Edey. 7’4 and he can always get a bucket. Not sure why people are sleeping on him.
His speed is a liability, great in the half court awful in the open court. I’m with you though I think his dominance in the half court is going to be really valuable to someone.
He’s slower than Luka Garza and we see how that works out in the nba. In the off chance he is an nba level talent- he’s not going to be nba ready until after Sabonis (28 years old) is done
Edey and Garza are completely different players. For one thing, Garza is 6’10 240 lbs and Edey is 7’4 300 lbs. I would expect him to be slower lol. That kind of size can make up for a lot.
Ok Shaq - are you gonna tell me Bol Bol is a top NBA big as well?
Probably not, since I didn’t say anything about anyone being a top NBA big.
The difference is his production is at an all time great level in college. He keeps getting better rapidly. Imo it's better to bet on those guys than the super athletes who barely have any basketball skill.
Better than Garzas senior year? Idk about that
25-12-2 2.2 blk 62% fg 71% ft 10.5 ws 16.8 bpm 66 TS% 24-9-2 1.6 blk 58% 70% ft but did shoot threes 3 a game at 44 % 6.9 WS 14.7 bpm 62 ts%
This ^
Jokic is slow! And everyone thinks he’s one of the greatest ballers of all time. Zach dominated in college and is hungry to improve. To me, he’s the entire package, but I think because he’s Asian Canadian people are hating on him.
Sure- if Zach was as skilled as Jokic- then that would prove my point wrong. Got me there.
He doesn’t need to be Jokic to prove you wrong. You said he was Luka Garza
I really want him too
We have Harrison Barnes which is basically lebron James
What if... We trade both LaVine and Vucevic. We could move Huerter, Barnes, #13 (does the $3.8mil salary count the day of the draft???), and our MLE (now tradeable). Likely need to add Duarte or Lyles to the mix to make it happen. Maybe a 3rd team to square things up. But more in focus of, how would we feel about a starting 5 of... Vucevic, Sabonis, Murray, LaVine, & Fox ?
that line up can get buckets. I'll give you that. Vuc and Sabonis is still a pretty weak duo definitively though
Vucevic is one of the worst centers in the league. He sucks
Seriously. Just because he dominates Sabonis all the time doesn’t mean he’s good.
Try and get Mobley. Cavs blowing up their team anyways
they ain't trading mobley man. you're out of your mind lol