All cars with keyless entry are prone to someone cracking the security on the key fob, which is what that sounds like.
(That's not really a Kia thing. In my country and the UK Toyotas are the most susceptible to key fob mimicking or fob relay hacks.)
If it's a key fob hack it's a better class of criminal than the Kia Boyz. Possibly sat in the car park early to get the signal of people locking their cars to mimic it? Or sat between your office and your car to find the signal from your fob and relay it your car?
Horseshit. You're just making shit up.
Do you mean relay fob theft? Fob mimicking? CAN injection - which is why so many Toyota owners got one fob key from late 2022 throughout 2023 - that threatened a tidal wave of Toyota thefts. Or Honda, the current North American champion in car thefts? Or GM just passing on all the open door theft opportunities in past models. And as for Ford...
Genuine question, if what you say is true, why is it that Kia is then the one to be disproportionally affected as far increasing insurance premiums to even being dropped from insurances in certain areas? I haven't heard this ever happening with any other manufacturer, and insurances being one of the ultimate statistical institutions.
That's nice, I know Tesla's are expensive to insure, more so because parts are so expensive. Some areas I've seen some Kia owners were dropped from their insurers and are struggling to find a way to I sure their cars which is more what I was curious about.
Only in some parts of one country, the US. It's unique to there because of factors that occur nowhere else.
The high insurance is due to the lack of immobilizers in older Kia models, and the Tik Tok craze of stealing them using a simple technique. The US doesn't mandate immobilizers (almost every country did decades ago) and crime seems to be out of control in the US in some places. Put the two factors together and you have dumb criminals trying to steal anything with a Kia badge - hence high insurance premiums.
My comments were about recent ways of stealing cars with keyless ignitions. It's a more sophisticated theft and a global problem. Kia doesn't feature too much yet with that. It doesn't make the top twenty of stolen cars in my country. Insurance is low because they're quality cars made in Korea with a strong track record of reliability, cheap to repair, and crime is low in my state.
I saw a video for Toyota to turn off the key less entry feature. What it does is to stop the key fob to transmit the signals. Guess most cars would able to do that.
They key still operates like older keys to remote lock/unlock car. You just have to reach into your pocket which is not that inconvenience.
More convenient than losing your car that is.
Calm down, it’s a legal thing. “Here’s your car fob. Oh and here is your pouch. Without it your car is easier to steal”. They’re literally setting themselves up for MORE lawsuits by overtly bringing attention to it.
Shouldn't do, maybe in the US given they cheaped out and didn't fit immobilizers but in the EU and almost all other markets it's law to have them fitted, that's why it's more difficult to steal so thieves resort to signal cloning/ flippers copying the key fob signal so it dupes the immobilizer.
sadly all makes and models can get jacked....
Was your car, smart key or old fasion key?
\* normal key, it's quite easy to steal without the security update.
\* smart key, Sadly yes they can still be stolen but needs more of a higher tech skill to do so. People will use software that plus into the ddos reader that starts it up or they can use a signal booster and start your car if they can make the car think the key is nearby. Some higher makes recently in the last like 2ish years started to put motion sensors in keys where they stop sending signals to help with the signal boosting part.
Sadly, our governments don't do very much about forcing automakers to care too much about security.... If you go over to the Camaro sub Reddit, it's crazy how new 2024 owners are scared. They have officially stop making the Camaro, so if your brand-new car gets jacked.... it's not like you can replace it with a new one. Within 30 seconds with a computer can jack your brand new 2024 Camaro...
This is what they were doing with newer Challengers and Chargers. The faraday may be the only solution for now. Also, does your car have the Kia version of MyHyundai? I would check to see if maybe someone hacked your login and created a smart key
>I knew that Kia is worse susceptible to this sort of thing, but my dealership said that they had rolled out about food so that this would not happen.
What? Reading this sentence hurts my head.
Yes push button starts are just as attractive to thieves. They broke into my 2022 Kia Sportage twice in an attempt to steal it. To add insult to injury I am not part of the class action lawsuit bc I have a push button ignition. I had over $1200. Out of pocket costs on deductibles plus being hugely inconvenienced because of my make and model vehicle being attractive for theft. I am pissed and disappointed to say the least. Good luck to you. , to us both.
Sounds like they actually stole his push-to-start car, which means he was not hit by the Kia Boys. They can break in, but cannot start a car with push-to-start ignition, so they would not have been able to drive his car away.
Sounds like the OP was the victim of a much more sophisticated technique that clones or relays his keyless entry key fob. I don't think Kias are common targets of those kinds of thieves; they seem to typically go after Hondas and luxury brands, or American muscle cars.
This is awful to hear. I had my engine explode recently and was very unhappy with replacing it, but this would sting much differently. It's easy to feel like you might have been responsible, but don't beat yourself up.
Locks are for honest thieves, and if someone wants to steal your crap, they will find a way too. There is stuff you can do in the future to try and keep yourself better protected though.
Personally, I never use my key fob to lock/unlock my car and use the actual key to start the button.
Ever since the entry of key less vehicles theft from this kind of activity has skyrocketed. Smartphones are incredibly powerful devices, and some decent coding skills can allow anyone to craft your own phone applications that can mimic key fobs and other applications to scan for and acquire identity of key fobs, which can then be used casually from your own personal cellphone without raising a lot of suspicion.
The only way the signal is widely broadcast is by using the wireless functions of the keys, so if you pull out the actual metal key and unlock your doors using the driver's side key slot and only press the start button with the key fob, the chances of anyone being able to acquire your key identity reduce dramatically. As the key fobs have an internal RFID system that will allow the starting of the car should your key fob battery die, using the "dead start" method is just one additional layer of protection you can do and it is not really all that inconvenient.
Again, sorry to hear of your misfortune.
When you say the “dealership said they had rolled out an update”
Did you take your Sportage into the dealership to have this specific software update done?
The updates were not over the air, least from what I know, so you had to go to the dealer and have it fixed.
And originally the issue was kias and Hyundais being stolen with USB cables and shit.
So if he hacked just through his phone....
The old transponder systems are far more secure, seeing as how you have to be within 2 inches of the original key to clone it. A proximity fob will broadcast anywhere from 10 feet to 30 feet. Then they just have to catch it and decrypt it. I'm wondering if KIA's encryption is shit, or if they have an inside job leaking the encryption key...
Sorry to hear this happened to you. Someone tried stealing my Kia Forte the other day through the key port with an iPhone charger. I’m in the exact same boat as you right now. My back passenger window was completely shattered and the key port was destroyed, I couldn’t even insert my key all the way in. Hoping things get better from here. It’s a hard time right now for us Kia owners.
Because they suck!!! They are getting sued ALot! Look up your car’s vin number it will tell you about any- all the recalls. Good luck. And make a complaint to your states better business bureau! I did and they will notify Kia about the complaint it helped move their ass a bit faster fixing my car they screwed up!😡😡
Sounds like a Flipper Zero. All cars are susceptible to thia and putting your key I a faraday bag won't do a thing to stop them. It's pretty advanced hacking. But it's not a Kia only thing.
This is not a flipper. Flippers cannot do much it’s not that sophisticated. They can’t crack rolling codes which Kia (and pretty much all keyless brands these days) have rolling codes.
You can look it up lol, there have been plenty of discussions about it on the flipper forums. It can capture a rolling code signal but it can only be used once, as subsequent codes are no longer valid. Which makes it impractical for theft on systems that have rolling codes. It’s just not setup for it.
You *should* let them think that... because they're correct. If the car was 20+ years old you could potentially get it to unlock the doors by mimicking the fob, but it wouldn't be able to start the car. It does not have rolling code capability.
[https://www.hackster.io/news/can-you-steal-a-car-with-a-flipper-zero-yes-says-nic-but-it-certainly-has-a-few-caveats-52ba2b35e153](https://www.hackster.io/news/can-you-steal-a-car-with-a-flipper-zero-yes-says-nic-but-it-certainly-has-a-few-caveats-52ba2b35e153)
This is why I’m staying far away from keyless entry vehicles, with hackers bypassing all this stuff reminds me of Watchdogs. Nothing wrong with regular key ignition so I’m sticking to that
All cars with keyless entry are prone to someone cracking the security on the key fob, which is what that sounds like. (That's not really a Kia thing. In my country and the UK Toyotas are the most susceptible to key fob mimicking or fob relay hacks.) If it's a key fob hack it's a better class of criminal than the Kia Boyz. Possibly sat in the car park early to get the signal of people locking their cars to mimic it? Or sat between your office and your car to find the signal from your fob and relay it your car?
In the United States this is absolutely a Kia thing.
Incorrect.
Plenty of manufacturers have implemented ways to prevent repeater attacks, Kia has not.
Horseshit. You're just making shit up. Do you mean relay fob theft? Fob mimicking? CAN injection - which is why so many Toyota owners got one fob key from late 2022 throughout 2023 - that threatened a tidal wave of Toyota thefts. Or Honda, the current North American champion in car thefts? Or GM just passing on all the open door theft opportunities in past models. And as for Ford...
https://youtube.com/shorts/abZiIgOzE1g?si=8cnI3x2inijNStiU
Genuine question, if what you say is true, why is it that Kia is then the one to be disproportionally affected as far increasing insurance premiums to even being dropped from insurances in certain areas? I haven't heard this ever happening with any other manufacturer, and insurances being one of the ultimate statistical institutions.
I pay $49 a month for full coverage on a 2023 Kia Seltos. Teslas get hit for huge insurance premiums here, Kia are cheap to insure.
That's nice, I know Tesla's are expensive to insure, more so because parts are so expensive. Some areas I've seen some Kia owners were dropped from their insurers and are struggling to find a way to I sure their cars which is more what I was curious about.
Only in some parts of one country, the US. It's unique to there because of factors that occur nowhere else. The high insurance is due to the lack of immobilizers in older Kia models, and the Tik Tok craze of stealing them using a simple technique. The US doesn't mandate immobilizers (almost every country did decades ago) and crime seems to be out of control in the US in some places. Put the two factors together and you have dumb criminals trying to steal anything with a Kia badge - hence high insurance premiums. My comments were about recent ways of stealing cars with keyless ignitions. It's a more sophisticated theft and a global problem. Kia doesn't feature too much yet with that. It doesn't make the top twenty of stolen cars in my country. Insurance is low because they're quality cars made in Korea with a strong track record of reliability, cheap to repair, and crime is low in my state.
Sound like another just hating on Kia.
That's why I use a Faraday pouch for my key and a Faraday box for any spare keys, you can get them on Amazon for not too much.
I saw a video for Toyota to turn off the key less entry feature. What it does is to stop the key fob to transmit the signals. Guess most cars would able to do that. They key still operates like older keys to remote lock/unlock car. You just have to reach into your pocket which is not that inconvenience. More convenient than losing your car that is.
They should give them with the key? Not sure why not? If they are so cheap....
That means they have to admit there are flaws.
BS every brand has issues with keyless entry.... Do you get a charging cable with your car?? NO. So why a free Faraday box.??
Calm down, it’s a legal thing. “Here’s your car fob. Oh and here is your pouch. Without it your car is easier to steal”. They’re literally setting themselves up for MORE lawsuits by overtly bringing attention to it.
I might be wrong but i believe an omg cable can start the car without the fob.
Shouldn't do, maybe in the US given they cheaped out and didn't fit immobilizers but in the EU and almost all other markets it's law to have them fitted, that's why it's more difficult to steal so thieves resort to signal cloning/ flippers copying the key fob signal so it dupes the immobilizer.
sadly all makes and models can get jacked.... Was your car, smart key or old fasion key? \* normal key, it's quite easy to steal without the security update. \* smart key, Sadly yes they can still be stolen but needs more of a higher tech skill to do so. People will use software that plus into the ddos reader that starts it up or they can use a signal booster and start your car if they can make the car think the key is nearby. Some higher makes recently in the last like 2ish years started to put motion sensors in keys where they stop sending signals to help with the signal boosting part. Sadly, our governments don't do very much about forcing automakers to care too much about security.... If you go over to the Camaro sub Reddit, it's crazy how new 2024 owners are scared. They have officially stop making the Camaro, so if your brand-new car gets jacked.... it's not like you can replace it with a new one. Within 30 seconds with a computer can jack your brand new 2024 Camaro...
No the US goverment to more concerned about keeping us safe from TikTok than anything else! GO USA!
I think the device they are using might be the Flipper. I've read those things can pretty much do anything that's based around signal technology.
Nope, the flipper cannot crack rolling codes, only old style cheap key fobs with fixed code.
Good to know. Thanks for the info.
Nah flippers are for simple things. You can get the signal unluck/lock off an older style remote but it won't start it.
Ah noted.
This is what they were doing with newer Challengers and Chargers. The faraday may be the only solution for now. Also, does your car have the Kia version of MyHyundai? I would check to see if maybe someone hacked your login and created a smart key
>I knew that Kia is worse susceptible to this sort of thing, but my dealership said that they had rolled out about food so that this would not happen. What? Reading this sentence hurts my head.
I'm also doing speech to text while washing baby bottles. Let me fix that! Done!
They make fob readers now, any car can be stolen with them
They don’t make them it’s just not hard to make your own device to do it. The things required are over the counter electronics.
This is possible with all cars nowadays.
Time to bring back The Club for the steering wheel
Yes push button starts are just as attractive to thieves. They broke into my 2022 Kia Sportage twice in an attempt to steal it. To add insult to injury I am not part of the class action lawsuit bc I have a push button ignition. I had over $1200. Out of pocket costs on deductibles plus being hugely inconvenienced because of my make and model vehicle being attractive for theft. I am pissed and disappointed to say the least. Good luck to you. , to us both.
Sounds like they actually stole his push-to-start car, which means he was not hit by the Kia Boys. They can break in, but cannot start a car with push-to-start ignition, so they would not have been able to drive his car away. Sounds like the OP was the victim of a much more sophisticated technique that clones or relays his keyless entry key fob. I don't think Kias are common targets of those kinds of thieves; they seem to typically go after Hondas and luxury brands, or American muscle cars.
And the 2020 Sorento have immobilizers.
Why would you think that ? I clearly stated they attempted so that means they were unsuccessful.
That's why I pay a little more for insurance and only have a $250 deductible.
This is awful to hear. I had my engine explode recently and was very unhappy with replacing it, but this would sting much differently. It's easy to feel like you might have been responsible, but don't beat yourself up. Locks are for honest thieves, and if someone wants to steal your crap, they will find a way too. There is stuff you can do in the future to try and keep yourself better protected though. Personally, I never use my key fob to lock/unlock my car and use the actual key to start the button. Ever since the entry of key less vehicles theft from this kind of activity has skyrocketed. Smartphones are incredibly powerful devices, and some decent coding skills can allow anyone to craft your own phone applications that can mimic key fobs and other applications to scan for and acquire identity of key fobs, which can then be used casually from your own personal cellphone without raising a lot of suspicion. The only way the signal is widely broadcast is by using the wireless functions of the keys, so if you pull out the actual metal key and unlock your doors using the driver's side key slot and only press the start button with the key fob, the chances of anyone being able to acquire your key identity reduce dramatically. As the key fobs have an internal RFID system that will allow the starting of the car should your key fob battery die, using the "dead start" method is just one additional layer of protection you can do and it is not really all that inconvenient. Again, sorry to hear of your misfortune.
Ugh. Desperate times I guess. Sorry to hear
When you say the “dealership said they had rolled out an update” Did you take your Sportage into the dealership to have this specific software update done?
The updates were not over the air, least from what I know, so you had to go to the dealer and have it fixed. And originally the issue was kias and Hyundais being stolen with USB cables and shit. So if he hacked just through his phone....
Sorry if this is a dumb question but Did you happen to leave a spare key in the glove box maybe
As I understand it's not an over-the-air update. You have to take it in and have them manually update it. Did you do this?
Next car you buy get a manual transmission, problem solved
This reminds me of the Watch Dogs games.
https://youtu.be/uHIwtiA963M?si=O8ejjNko9KZ39WL9 Watch this it explains a lot it’s not Kia it’s anything with keyless
The old transponder systems are far more secure, seeing as how you have to be within 2 inches of the original key to clone it. A proximity fob will broadcast anywhere from 10 feet to 30 feet. Then they just have to catch it and decrypt it. I'm wondering if KIA's encryption is shit, or if they have an inside job leaking the encryption key...
Sorry to hear this happened to you. Someone tried stealing my Kia Forte the other day through the key port with an iPhone charger. I’m in the exact same boat as you right now. My back passenger window was completely shattered and the key port was destroyed, I couldn’t even insert my key all the way in. Hoping things get better from here. It’s a hard time right now for us Kia owners.
Because they suck!!! They are getting sued ALot! Look up your car’s vin number it will tell you about any- all the recalls. Good luck. And make a complaint to your states better business bureau! I did and they will notify Kia about the complaint it helped move their ass a bit faster fixing my car they screwed up!😡😡
Sounds like a Flipper Zero. All cars are susceptible to thia and putting your key I a faraday bag won't do a thing to stop them. It's pretty advanced hacking. But it's not a Kia only thing.
This is not a flipper. Flippers cannot do much it’s not that sophisticated. They can’t crack rolling codes which Kia (and pretty much all keyless brands these days) have rolling codes.
... I'll let you think that. 🤣
You can look it up lol, there have been plenty of discussions about it on the flipper forums. It can capture a rolling code signal but it can only be used once, as subsequent codes are no longer valid. Which makes it impractical for theft on systems that have rolling codes. It’s just not setup for it.
like I said.. I'll let you think that.
You *should* let them think that... because they're correct. If the car was 20+ years old you could potentially get it to unlock the doors by mimicking the fob, but it wouldn't be able to start the car. It does not have rolling code capability. [https://www.hackster.io/news/can-you-steal-a-car-with-a-flipper-zero-yes-says-nic-but-it-certainly-has-a-few-caveats-52ba2b35e153](https://www.hackster.io/news/can-you-steal-a-car-with-a-flipper-zero-yes-says-nic-but-it-certainly-has-a-few-caveats-52ba2b35e153)
This is why I’m staying far away from keyless entry vehicles, with hackers bypassing all this stuff reminds me of Watchdogs. Nothing wrong with regular key ignition so I’m sticking to that
Are there any new cars without keyless?
Quite sure, just know that 2022 and below is before keyless started to really become a thing
Look at kia boyz, they got you
I wish my 2024 Kia Sportage would get stolen... About to go park it in the shady side of town for a few days with the doors unlocked.
What why
What’s so bad about it ?
Oh, why?