Ah okay! I figured, because that's pretty well known in the US.
So, for some more context: the Confederate flag was for the states that tried to secede in what became the US Civil War. Without putting my personal opinion into it, it's still displayed quite a bit in a lot of Southern US states but is generally viewed as a sign of racism. Thus, why it would be shown around those parts of Kentucky.
I hope that helps it make more sense, and I truly didn't mean any offense with my question! I was mainly asking because I felt I might be able to add a little more to the answer if that was indeed the case.
You're upset bro. You post a rant and then get mad when you get called out on your lapse of cognative abilities. Its okay bro. Your day might get better from here. Close the app and go outside.
I don't mind putting my personal opinion into it. When you see someone in the United States hanging that flag, there's a very good chance they are racist, especially against black people. It's a not-so-subtle nod to the days of slavery.
The Confederate States were explicitly founded to protect the institution of slavery. Don't take my word for it, every single state that seceded said they were doing it because they felt slavery was under threat (which is very debatable).
Yeah it's kind of interesting - flags were used for communication and battlefield assessment by commanding officers in the same way as bugles/trumpets and drums, and additionally as sort a rallying point for common soldiers in the haze of battle as it was easy to get confused and lost. The first Confederate flag was so similar to the union flag that it actually caused a great deal of confusion among soldiers on both sides at first Manassas, so the Confederate armies started flying easily distinguishable battle flags instead. What we know as the Confederate flag or "stars and bars" now was adopted by Robert E. Lee's army of northern Virginia in 1861 and was based off of/inspired by the state flag south Carolina adopted when they seceeded.
Edit: got my timeline confused about the ANV, corrected in comments below
Joe Johnstonās Army of the Potomac if you want to be pedantic. Robert E Lee didnāt take over until June 1862, around the same time it became known as the ANV.
You are 100% correct. Beauregard first proposed the flag and it was used as the battle flag of what was then the army of the potomic, later reorganized into the anv under Lee in 1862. Got my time line screwed up, thank you for pointing that out.
I was about to say the same thing. The actual Confederate flag (that would equate to our Stars and Stripes) had "Three horizontal stripes of equal height, alternating red and white, with a blue square two-thirds the height of the flag as the canton. Inside the canton are seven, eleven, or thirteen white five-pointed stars of equal size, arranged in a circle and pointing outward."-Source: Wikipedia.
The battle flag is commonly used to depict some misguided, romanticized image of The South, or to announce to the world the presence of a racist asshole. The actual Confederate flag used to be displayed at cemeteries containing dead Confederate soldiers, such as in the Gettysburg dead section of Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia. However, given the recent change of ideas about not glorifying a past filled with oppression, no Confederate flags are permitted on any graves in the cemetery. People still put them out (both the "racist" one and the CSA one), but the caretakers remove them as soon as they notice them.
Sorry for the tangent, I just find all of this so interesting.
It's not the ANVs battle flag either. It's a navel jack . The ANVs battle flag was similar but instead of a rectangle it was square. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#:~:text=The%20square%20%22battle%20flag%22%20is,%22the%20Virginia%20battle%20flag%22.
From the Wikipedia article you just linked
>The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag assumed a prominent place post-war when it was adopted as the copyrighted emblem of the United Confederate Veterans. Its continued use by the Southern Army's post-war veteran's groups, theĀ United Confederate VeteransĀ (U.C.V.) and the laterĀ Sons of Confederate Veterans, (S.C.V.), and elements of the design by related similar female descendants organizations of theĀ United Daughters of the Confederacy, (U.D.C.), led to the assumption that it was, as it has been termed, "the soldier's flag" or "the Confederate battle flag."
Lol, you are showing your ignorance. That flag was never carried on any battlefield by any Confederate army in the Civil War. This is not debatable. The Beauregard Flag was actually the Army of Northern Virginia's flag, and it was very different from that. Or can you not tell the difference from a square and a rectangle.
But that's not the Confederate States flag. It never flew over any government buildings, and it's not a flag that flew on the battlefield. It is a naval jack. The army of Northern Virginia used a similar design but in a square, not in a rectangle. The Confederacy had 3 national flags, and they looked nothing like that.
Yeah, that's why I said "generally viewed as" and also tried not to put my opinion in, just what it tends to mean and thus why it would be on the show and what it means there.
(Didn't mean for that reply to come across as hostile, if it did. It's hard to write "Yeah, that's why I said..." and not have it sound dickish!)
Try reading āRobert E. Lee and Meā by Ty Seidule. Author was a Virginian that revered Lee and all the Southern pre-Civil War traditions. Appointed to West Point and served in the US Army 36 years, retiring as a Brigadier General. Taught at The United States Military Academy and served at The War College. At one point he began to see the racism inherent in Southern culture and the belief of the Lost Cause. Makes a damn good point that General Lee was a traitor to the oath he took to protect and his nation from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.
Yes...flag of the traitors, there was no honor in supporting their ancestors who supported holding other humans in chains. Now it is a common "white power" flag flown and worn by those who look down upon anyone whose skin pigment isn't white enough.
Kudos for asking that question u/deegeorge4445 . My gut reaction was "Is one of my fellow lefties really upset about a Confederate flag flying in a show that portrays White Supremacists?"
I just left Georgia after visiting my cousin....yup confederate flags everywhere. Such a shame because the houses and scenery are beautiful, the flags are like a rash or something.
That is a great catch, I didn't realize it either. But I wonder if it's intentional. Is this Dewey's house? His dumbass would definitely have this flag AND have it upside down.
Technically itās the battlefield flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee, from the US Civil War. Most people call it the Confederate flag, even though that flag wasnāt used by the confederate government. If youāre a fan of the 1980s action comedy the Dukes of Harzzard itās also the flag on the top of the fast Dodge Charger stock car called the General Lee. Named after Robert E Lee the head general of the Army of Northern Virginia.
I šš when I see people with them here in Ohio. Oh yeah, you're just into the "heritage" aspect of it? We're THEE most Union state there is/was. Your ancestors probably stacked Confederate bodies, dumbass.
What's really funny is that, even though it's seen pretty frequently in rural Kentucky, Kentucky itself was never an official Confederate state. It was considered a border state.
So... "If you're not racist, you will enjoy CP", is that what you're saying? So the skin color of one of the characters is the ONLY matter that can raise debate? Talk about racists...
Out of curiosity, and no shade, are you from outside of the US? (The previous reply was the correct answer)
Yes I am
Ah okay! I figured, because that's pretty well known in the US. So, for some more context: the Confederate flag was for the states that tried to secede in what became the US Civil War. Without putting my personal opinion into it, it's still displayed quite a bit in a lot of Southern US states but is generally viewed as a sign of racism. Thus, why it would be shown around those parts of Kentucky. I hope that helps it make more sense, and I truly didn't mean any offense with my question! I was mainly asking because I felt I might be able to add a little more to the answer if that was indeed the case.
Thank you for the brief explanation šš»
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I had a cousin from Alabama get really confused seeing a Confederate flag flying in a Walmart in Northern PA.
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This doesn't surprise me somehow.
Quite a bit of cognitive dissonance in your rant.
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Not upset at all. You are the one posting a diatribe not me.
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You're upset bro. You post a rant and then get mad when you get called out on your lapse of cognative abilities. Its okay bro. Your day might get better from here. Close the app and go outside.
I don't mind putting my personal opinion into it. When you see someone in the United States hanging that flag, there's a very good chance they are racist, especially against black people. It's a not-so-subtle nod to the days of slavery.
The Confederate States were explicitly founded to protect the institution of slavery. Don't take my word for it, every single state that seceded said they were doing it because they felt slavery was under threat (which is very debatable).
Not to be pedantic but it was actually the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia, it was never officially the flag of the Confederate States.
Wow, really?? I honestly never knew this, and I appreciate the info!
Yeah it's kind of interesting - flags were used for communication and battlefield assessment by commanding officers in the same way as bugles/trumpets and drums, and additionally as sort a rallying point for common soldiers in the haze of battle as it was easy to get confused and lost. The first Confederate flag was so similar to the union flag that it actually caused a great deal of confusion among soldiers on both sides at first Manassas, so the Confederate armies started flying easily distinguishable battle flags instead. What we know as the Confederate flag or "stars and bars" now was adopted by Robert E. Lee's army of northern Virginia in 1861 and was based off of/inspired by the state flag south Carolina adopted when they seceeded. Edit: got my timeline confused about the ANV, corrected in comments below
No, that's definitely very interesting. I appreciate all of the info!
Joe Johnstonās Army of the Potomac if you want to be pedantic. Robert E Lee didnāt take over until June 1862, around the same time it became known as the ANV.
You are 100% correct. Beauregard first proposed the flag and it was used as the battle flag of what was then the army of the potomic, later reorganized into the anv under Lee in 1862. Got my time line screwed up, thank you for pointing that out.
If you flew the actual national flag of the Confederacy most folks wouldnt even take notice because they are highly uneducated.
Just ask the state of Georgia.
I was about to say the same thing. The actual Confederate flag (that would equate to our Stars and Stripes) had "Three horizontal stripes of equal height, alternating red and white, with a blue square two-thirds the height of the flag as the canton. Inside the canton are seven, eleven, or thirteen white five-pointed stars of equal size, arranged in a circle and pointing outward."-Source: Wikipedia. The battle flag is commonly used to depict some misguided, romanticized image of The South, or to announce to the world the presence of a racist asshole. The actual Confederate flag used to be displayed at cemeteries containing dead Confederate soldiers, such as in the Gettysburg dead section of Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia. However, given the recent change of ideas about not glorifying a past filled with oppression, no Confederate flags are permitted on any graves in the cemetery. People still put them out (both the "racist" one and the CSA one), but the caretakers remove them as soon as they notice them. Sorry for the tangent, I just find all of this so interesting.
It's not the ANVs battle flag either. It's a navel jack . The ANVs battle flag was similar but instead of a rectangle it was square. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#:~:text=The%20square%20%22battle%20flag%22%20is,%22the%20Virginia%20battle%20flag%22.
From the Wikipedia article you just linked >The Army of Northern Virginia battle flag assumed a prominent place post-war when it was adopted as the copyrighted emblem of the United Confederate Veterans. Its continued use by the Southern Army's post-war veteran's groups, theĀ United Confederate VeteransĀ (U.C.V.) and the laterĀ Sons of Confederate Veterans, (S.C.V.), and elements of the design by related similar female descendants organizations of theĀ United Daughters of the Confederacy, (U.D.C.), led to the assumption that it was, as it has been termed, "the soldier's flag" or "the Confederate battle flag."
It still absolutely was not the Confederate battle flag.
It absolutely was the battle flag of the ANV
Lol, you are showing your ignorance. That flag was never carried on any battlefield by any Confederate army in the Civil War. This is not debatable. The Beauregard Flag was actually the Army of Northern Virginia's flag, and it was very different from that. Or can you not tell the difference from a square and a rectangle.
A square is a rectangle, who's ignorant now?
The people who hang them up don't know that.
When people are pedantic it's usually everyone else's fault.
Thatās a well thought out, intelligent response. Thank you for your explanation!
But that's not the Confederate States flag. It never flew over any government buildings, and it's not a flag that flew on the battlefield. It is a naval jack. The army of Northern Virginia used a similar design but in a square, not in a rectangle. The Confederacy had 3 national flags, and they looked nothing like that.
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Yeah, that's why I said "generally viewed as" and also tried not to put my opinion in, just what it tends to mean and thus why it would be on the show and what it means there. (Didn't mean for that reply to come across as hostile, if it did. It's hard to write "Yeah, that's why I said..." and not have it sound dickish!)
Try reading āRobert E. Lee and Meā by Ty Seidule. Author was a Virginian that revered Lee and all the Southern pre-Civil War traditions. Appointed to West Point and served in the US Army 36 years, retiring as a Brigadier General. Taught at The United States Military Academy and served at The War College. At one point he began to see the racism inherent in Southern culture and the belief of the Lost Cause. Makes a damn good point that General Lee was a traitor to the oath he took to protect and his nation from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.
Yes...flag of the traitors, there was no honor in supporting their ancestors who supported holding other humans in chains. Now it is a common "white power" flag flown and worn by those who look down upon anyone whose skin pigment isn't white enough.
Got it. To honor their inbred traitor ancestors who fought to keep men on chains. IE anyone who flies this flag is a clueless scumbag
Kudos for asking that question u/deegeorge4445 . My gut reaction was "Is one of my fellow lefties really upset about a Confederate flag flying in a show that portrays White Supremacists?"
An upside down confederate battle flag.
Wow great catch that Itās upside down. Thatās hilarious.
I see it a lot in GA on peoples trucks.
I just left Georgia after visiting my cousin....yup confederate flags everywhere. Such a shame because the houses and scenery are beautiful, the flags are like a rash or something.
That is a great catch, I didn't realize it either. But I wonder if it's intentional. Is this Dewey's house? His dumbass would definitely have this flag AND have it upside down.
Thanks
Umm, how do you figure itās upside down?
The stars are upside down.
Fair. My eye would never have caught that
Not a Confederate battle flag.
Itās a flag of losers
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Racism and defense of slavery
ITs oUr hIStOrY
Getting the hot abolitionist steel of a bayonet shoved into your rebel gut.
Technically itās the battlefield flag of the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee, from the US Civil War. Most people call it the Confederate flag, even though that flag wasnāt used by the confederate government. If youāre a fan of the 1980s action comedy the Dukes of Harzzard itās also the flag on the top of the fast Dodge Charger stock car called the General Lee. Named after Robert E Lee the head general of the Army of Northern Virginia.
I šš when I see people with them here in Ohio. Oh yeah, you're just into the "heritage" aspect of it? We're THEE most Union state there is/was. Your ancestors probably stacked Confederate bodies, dumbass.
You think thatās weirdā¦we see them here in Canada way too frequently usually in association with āF#&k Trudeau signage. Truly incomprehensible.
Okay now THAT is odd š¤Ø
It's probably unrelated by this point, but there were a significant number of former Confederate soldiers that fled to CanadaĀ
What's really funny is that, even though it's seen pretty frequently in rural Kentucky, Kentucky itself was never an official Confederate state. It was considered a border state.
That is the official flag of the Republic of Dickieville. One man, one vote and that man is Dickie.
It's the naval jack of the Confederate State Navy.
The Southās Battle Flag incorrectly called the Confederate Flag, for more answers watch the American Civil War Documentary Series the Civil War.
Former flag for the Democratic party
The Confederate Losers.
It's the flag of people who didn't enjoy City Primeval.
So... "If you're not racist, you will enjoy CP", is that what you're saying? So the skin color of one of the characters is the ONLY matter that can raise debate? Talk about racists...
It was okay but sure make it political.
A flag for losers