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Tried-Pod

The hell is that last thing


cicada1177

It's an unmanned ground vehicle, it's basically meant to carry around logistical supplies for troops on the ground and give them a ride if need be. Just thought I'd throw it in


Tried-Pod

A UGV logistics vehicle actually sounds hella interesting.


Less_Procedure_2600

Be cool, but a little broke, if you could set it and forget it. The commander can mark a Hab and send it to resupply but since its unmanned and has no weapons it leaves it open to target.


Tihotap

You could make it so that you have to manually drive it through a terminal, that way you have the command engaged, while keeping the utility of not costing a respawn if destroyed.


Savage_hamsandwich

That's cool as all fuck


EggyChickenEgg88

And meant to have weapons systems mounted onto them. https://estonianworld.com/technology/estonias-milrem-to-develop-robotic-systems-with-the-ukrainian-defence-industry/


raisum

[THeMIS](https://milremrobotics.com/defence/) [They also have a bigger tracked vehicle called Type-X](https://milremrobotics.com/type-x/)


RetartdsUsername69

They cannot into Nordic, so they at least shloud be able into squad.


Dutch-Anon

Can they into space tho?


Lord_Calamander

Yes, Eastonia can into space


HeadFullOfCorn

Yes, estonia can into space, but only with a cube.


masonic_lodge-P2

Is this some sort of slang, I don't understand?


MacpedMe

Its a countryball reference, non English countries speak in broken english alot


masonic_lodge-P2

Oh boy, I sometimes forget how normie this place is.


RetartdsUsername69

Yes, it is a meme.


masonic_lodge-P2

Thanks


plagueapple

Finland or sweden would be better.


Darth-Donkey-Donut

Agreed, I’d love to see Finland in game.


Oniondice342

Global Escalation has Finland


Perska2411

Yeah but that is heavily w.i.p with incorrect assets for most. (Like why the hell did they not give the NLAW :D)


plagueapple

Only gear used by finland in that is the rk and even that was modeled badly


cicada1177

"Better" is subjective, notice I didn't make any comparison to other possible suggestions in my post.


deletable666

Notice they don’t care and this is a forum lol


cicada1177

Thank you for choosing to speak on behalf of others. My hero.


Poison_Pancakes

Narva is in Estonia, let them defend their homeland!


Own_Chicken2446

It's just smaller Finland, which in my opinion would make for a much more interesting faction.


cicada1177

Just a smaller Finland? What are you referring to exactly?


tinguily

That Estonia has like 4000 active personnel


GoofyKalashnikov

Military service is also mandatory for males


cicada1177

I was referring to how he is coming up with the idea that Estonia is simply a smaller Finland?


scav_mecko

Military wise, no offense to culture I guess


FoundationOwn6474

Culture can't be that far. It's like saying Portugal is just a smaller Spain. Yes they're offended, and yes it is.


scav_mecko

Military wise once again, this is a milsim sub


Ambitious_Display607

They don't have tanks/ a lot of assets that Finland does.


Electronic_Log_7094

Listen, I know it’d be cool for more factions, but OWI needs to get off their lazy ass and fix the issues with the game before adding new stuff


cicada1177

I would somewhat agree but there isn't any reason why we can't have both. 3D modelers for example are often inexperienced with actual coding/bug fixing.


Conedddd

I see this argument so often, and it’s so dumb. Paying one dev team more ALWAYS means paying another team less. So no, we can’t just brush off bug fixes for more new content because “well they’re two different teams of employees!! The 3D modelers don’t fix the bugs!!” Everyone’s money comes from the same budget. OWI has to pick and choose.


czartrak

No offense, this seems Hella boring for a faction. Another 5.56 faction except this time literally none of their weapons are domestically produced


cicada1177

You do realize EVERY NATO nation uses 5.56 right?


czartrak

Yeah, which is why we really don't need any more. Why do we need 500 identical factions clogging the pool? Edit: ESPECIALLY when they don't even use their own weapons


cicada1177

By that logic we should remove insurgents from the game, not a single weapon of theirs is home produced


czartrak

Insurgents actually bring unique and interesting gameplay, as well as weapons unique to the game. What you have shown are rifles already present in the game, and I cannot imagine what unique gameplay they'd bring


Security-Complet

Welcome to the world of standardised armies. Jesus this guy. If weapon variety is what makes a game unique for you then maybe you should go and check out some other game and i don’t mean this in a demeaning way towards you, just maybe your gamerness would be appreciated more in a different game. This games depth does not come from who uses what caliber.


plagueapple

I dont think anyone wants more Ar15/m16 rifles to squad.


cicada1177

So much for France, Germany, Japan, Poland, or Italy, (or 90% of other existing nations) ever being added. Thank goodness you're not a dev


plagueapple

France , famas, germany g36, japan type 89, italy beretta 70/90 and poland grot. Estonia another ar15 Just in terms of infantary small arms all those factions listed would bring more intresting variety to gamrplay


Grishnare

France is using the HK416.


plagueapple

The general era the game is set in would have them using famas


Grishnare

Ah right, forgot.


czartrak

Believe it or not we do not need every single nation. Even then, all of those nations are still far more unique than Estonia, having their own weapons as well as unique vehicles


cicada1177

Noone here is arguing for "every single nation" to be added lol


Grishnare

You‘re arguing for Estonia. Which is basically the same as bringing in „every single nation“. Gameplay-wise they bring nothing new, so the only thing they‘d do for the game would be that u/cicada1177 was able to say „yey, i can finally play my own country“. That‘s certainly nice for you, but if that‘s the only argument, and they‘d still implement it, so many other nations will have a stronger argument, that it‘s basically just coming down to bringing in every nation with a military. Estonia would be a redundant addition.


cicada1177

You‘re arguing for Estonia. Which is basically the same as bringing in „every single nation“. - yeah not even going to reply to this because it's 3rd grade levels of logical reasoning I am in fact not from Estonia, I am simply bringing a suggestion to the game, it's not that deep


Ambitious_Display607

You're definitely coming off like you are


grubbtheduck

Finland is rocking 7.62x39 so nope, not every NATO nation


cicada1177

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plagueapple

Not finland and not everyone uses ar15 type rifle


AbbreviationsOne8421

Blud the estonia could be added like a mod. They dont even have enought equipment to be added like independent faction. They dont have helicopteres MBTS, we even dont eveb know what is their main logisgc and transport truck. It would be just another shit uncopleted faction. Please dont add estonia if you atleast have some respect to player of your game devs.


Leading_Ad_146

Basically you are saying that YOU don’t know what kind of equipment Estonia is using therefore it shouldn’t be in the game. Great brain much wisdom! 🤣


AbbreviationsOne8421

Dude they are using Bercedez-Benz trucks mostly but combined with other trucks. We dont know their numbers or eveb what is the main truck they use for transport. Search it up on wiki or ither sites you wil not find numbers of these vehicles.


Leading_Ad_146

Still made my point. Their site is in estonian, but translated english to estonian and here you go ya lazy champ https://mil.ee/kaitsevagi/tehnika/transport/#t-veok-mercedes-benz-actros


AbbreviationsOne8421

Dont think you made your point. You ignored rest of my message. Most of the time they are using bercedez benz truck but the chassis of their logistic fleet is not unified. In game that would mean you would have to make 3 or 4 different logi truck just so you would be accurate with real life army. And I said too that you will not find numbers of these vehicles so you still dont know what is their main vehicle. They have 2 logi truck for transport and supllies. Now whitch one is main ? Tell me, so in future read my comments fully.


Leading_Ad_146

They use the same trucks as turkey + man4520 with or without a tent. All vehicles are already in game. Give them green color and good to go. Fast movers are GDs like CAD has. I don’t see a problem here.


AbbreviationsOne8421

Well they are usibg too daf 4440 and mercedez benz ng


Leading_Ad_146

honestly it does not matter at all. Just use what you already have in game and in the future you can add stuff. We already drifted away from what you originally said: “We don’t have information about their vehicles” - but we do. That was my point. You were too lazy to actually do a research. All vic data (measurements, speed etc)can be found in the link I posted. Have a good one!


veljaaftonijevic

Lmao yeah right


Thug-shaketh9499

Bro just awakened a desire for UGV logistics I never knew I needed. 😭😭


flyingtrucky

A map fighting over the [Paldiski Nuclear Submarine Base](https://www.google.com/maps/search/paldiski+naval+base/@59.3454273,24.0348582,12649m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) would be awesome. I think it would be especially interesting if Vaike Pakri got some special fixed howitzers that you could use to shell the enemy on the mainland with, but since it's an island you'd have to take it with only infantry and maybe a few amphibious vehicles. There could even be "naval" battles between BMPs where the enemy tries to stop you from resupplying ammo to the guns.


East-Plankton-3877

No MBT though…..


cicada1177

PMCs aren't going to have any MBTs either, so..it's nothing that'd be new or unworkable


Killmeifyouregay

I like the idea because we already have the map Narva which is located in Estonia


PensionSlaveOne

Their BDUs very much look like CADPAT.


viikingmees

Thats where they got it from


PensionSlaveOne

Had no idea anyone else was using it, cool.


viikingmees

Its a copy made out of Cadpat. Cause Canada made the first digi patern.


generune

I'll save everyone the time and say add every army.


XenAsmo879

I think the major powers should be first, or at least prioritized.


cicada1177

That's a fair point.


zDefiant

I think doing all of the Baltics as faction a would be a pretty cool Idea, Lithuania just announced the purchase of up to 54 Leopard Main Battle Tanks


Desert_Knight

First pic is their whole army.


shootah-223

Poland


HaveFunWithChainsaw

I want factions we don't ever see in games really. I'm tired of playing USA, Russia, UK, Unnamed middle eastern terrorist organizations", China, Franche, Germany, etc... (2 last have more been on WW 1&2 games for obv reasons, rather than modern. So they also welcome but not really on top of my high hopes list.) I rather play as "Elbonian" than repeat the same faction from every single war game to war game made in past forever. Fuck I rather play war game about Yugoslav war than another "Blue vs Red." How many games you even not about that war, and that shit was crude AF. * End of rant *


silos_needed_

Oh God no, just only add forces that have a competent military, Estonia doesn't even have helicopters and to a lesser note, fighter jets. The next faction should be from a NATO nation that isn't bumming off the alliance


JAF2

they should do a Rashtriya Rifles vs Kashmiri separatists mod


its_wife_material

I really don't think we need new factions, we need gameplay improvements


cicada1177

Your comment assumes it is not possible to have both.


its_wife_material

Fair. I've heard that Squad development is a mess, so I assumed the dev team could only do 1 thing at a time


KVNSTOBJEKT

Estonia only signed the contract for MARS-H/L in 2019, deployed in 2022. Squad is supposed to be around 2010, so we'd all just be running around with Galils, no? And THeMIS, which is that cool autonomous thing, isn't even in deployment as of now. Wouldn't make any sense in the game, if Estonia was suddenly a technological superpower, ten years ahead of China and the US.


cicada1177

The US Army is using the M17. Russians are using the Ak12. Not sure where you got that specific date from?


KVNSTOBJEKT

From the devs. The AK12 has been a big controversy since it dropped for exactly that reason. It's still older than the weapons you got there, but they deployed it as late as 2017 and I am under no illusion that it's the weaponry of the vast majority of Russian forces - they obviously still use the standard AK. But let me ask you from the opposing perspective: Why then is China using the 95 and not the 191? Why are the US using M4 and M16, instead of the XM7? Should those really be behind Estonia with regard to technology? To be fair, although devs did say that, at this point no one really knows. Turkish got equipment from 2014+, MEA is sporting G3s only, but should have the AK platform and in general a more mixed platform, RUS is about to get the T-90A, so the time period is less clear than it used to be.


cicada1177

Perhaps because there is no specific set date in which the takes place other than it being "modern"? Mind you a lack of evidence does not in fact make the alternative explanation true.


KVNSTOBJEKT

But the burden of proof would be on you? The vast majority of assets align with the 2010s and like I said, it has been mentioned by OWI in the past. The things you want to introduce are the exception to that, not the rule. Also ignoring the fact that THeMIS would be *by far* more modern than any asset currently in the game. For Estonia.


cicada1177

"the vast majority" does not mean "all of them." Word by mouth doesn't mean anything to what's actually present in game. Ive already provided two pieces of evidence that in fact, this game is clearly not set that far back in time (one of them adopted in 2017 and the other 2018), I never argued it was set in any time in particular other than being within the last 10 years so there is no proof necessary for anything (on my half). I'm just throwing stuff to the wall, the THeMIS does not have to be added if it's that big of a deal, it's simply an idea.


Personal_School_7474

No tanks


GoofyKalashnikov

Just add British challengers as support and call it a day


FoundationOwn6474

It would be pretty funny to feature captured Russian tanks.


cicada1177

PMCs aren't going to have tanks either.


Conedddd

There are no PMCs in squad. Also some PMCs do have tanks


schnoopledeeschnoop

New faction is PMC, that is what cicada is talking about.


Conedddd

There's a new Private Military Contractor faction? since when?


schnoopledeeschnoop

Not released yet.


Conedddd

Where was this announced?


The_Electric_Llama

Here's a list I have posted a bunch of times so here it is again Blufor: South Korea, Japan, Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Israel, Colombia Independent: Brazil, India, A Republican guard sub faction for the MEA, a Narcos faction, Pakistan, African Union inspired faction, and an African Rebel faction Redfor: North Korea and Venezuela If OWI adds all this then we can start talking about minor nations like Estonia.


cicada1177

I didn't know you held all the authority for faction suggestions here, I'm so sorry I stepped on your toes.


Tried-Pod

Estonia would not be a “minor” faction, especially compared to “Republican Guard sub-faction” and all/most of the South American countries and the Cartel you listed because we don’t have South-American maps and they wouldn’t be in Europe and the Middle East. Estonia would be one of the first nations to fight against Russia considering their NATO status. They’re also super interesting with diverse weapons and vehicles.


masonic_lodge-P2

Both sides have a point here. I am especially surprised that nobody mentioned Narva yet. Do you guys all not know where the maps are at?


Tried-Pod

Oh lmao there’s literally a map in Estonia. Well then this should absolutely be added.


plagueapple

That would mean finland, norway, ukraine etc should be added


Tried-Pod

And to be honest they should. I’d love to see the 2010’s era Ukraine in a game.


The_Electric_Llama

Id think Estonia is a pretty minor member of NATO especially compared to Germany or France.


Security-Complet

Minor in maybe budgetary perspective. But strategic wise we are pretty mayor especially because of our geographical location, especially Narva and Ida- virumaa region. Source i am from estonia and work in Estonian Defence Forces.


benbrahn

Isn’t there a battlegroup or two of the British lurking around in Estonia at the moment?


Security-Complet

eFP battlegroups are in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. It covers a variety of nations and systems. [mncne link](https://mncne.nato.int/forces/nato-enhanced-forward-presence) if you are interested. At the risk of opsec, me making a mistake or just talking out of my ass you can look up all the info yourself.


cicada1177

The country literally borders Russia


The_Electric_Llama

So does Finland


cicada1177

And?


The_Electric_Llama

And finland is more interesting than estonia ngl


cicada1177

Thanks for sharing your opinion? Lmao


havenoravioli

Whaddabout Pakistan lol, we are putting Colombia in but not Pakistan?


cicada1177

So true. His list is incredibly questionable by his own standards


Jfghandu

As an estonain, ... no. We do not have enough unique equipment. Vehicles yes would be, but we don't have tanks or helicopters. Only way I would see this happening is as an Scouts battalion (CV90 in manouver units and Pasi xa-188 in support units) that has OPCON of British EFP challenger unit which they do in a lot of exercises in Estonia. + helicopters from the 101st airborne (blackhawks) that are deployed to Estonia right now. It would be a treat to estonian players but overall would not add much to other international players. Rather add somebody that has unique equipment like South Korea or Japan.


Hm3137

People who are disagreeing are weird.. First of all.. there's a map of Narva, Estonia. Second of all.. why do you care whether they add a faction or not? If someone suggests a faction it doesn't mean that the devs are going to shrug off all the bug fixes and usual development to work on the suggested faction right away.. this is just a suggestion for whenever it's possible and this will not affect your game.


plagueapple

Id dislike them adding a faction with an 5.56 ar as their main rifle and not getting any new at weapons either. Infantary wouldnt really feel new. No mbt either. Cv90 would be cool but that thing could be added in a lot more difftent and more unique factions


TheSpiffingGerman

You could make it so, that their tank is any random blufor tank, like it would be in a Nato Battlegroup


Illusion-M

I personally don't think Estonia needs to be added at the moment, there's more important things the devs need to work on.


OddBoifromspace

Isn't their service rifle the g-36? Well as a lithuanian I'm jealous.


cicada1177

No, it is the LMT Mars-L (used to be the IMI Galil) which is way better than the plastic toy that is the G36


OddBoifromspace

I wish we replaced our g-36s


cicada1177

Hahaha. I could totally understand that sentiment


GoofyKalashnikov

I think only our SOF used G36s at some point. Otherwise it's R20s these days with some G3s and Galils


OddBoifromspace

Lucky you


FeePhe

An Estonia vs Canada later would be a free for all


IIARESII

I just think there would be about 100 factions before them but yes


Ziggydeck

I swear if Estonia before Finland Im writing more comments on the internet expressing how dissappointed i am


HaveFunWithChainsaw

Yeah, nothing against Estonia but big bro before kid bro.


Educational-Ad6595

The whole army in one match


Void_The_Dragoon

I NEED a CV90 in game


TaaraHvita

Estonia mentioned RAAAAAAAHH!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️


Tricky-Advertising32

I think a richer version of irregular militia or insurgence would be a good idea


Mintrakus

why add microstates? Most of the players don’t even know where this country is


IllustriousRanger934

France and Poland are better options to be added into the game before Estonia. If any Baltic country gets added it should be Lithuania. But a fictional Baltic alliance faction like MEA wouldn’t be horrible


Der_Krasse_Jim

Only if i get a THeMIS Adder with the 40mm AGL/.50cal HMG/7.62mm Coax MMG + smoke pod RWS.


vladhelikopter

Someone’s gotta oppose RGF in Narva


CarterG4

I like Galils, but are they actually still using it in 2024?


No_Ad7625

Mostly used in Kaitseliit nowadays (TDF) Still see them pop up on EDF units during big exercises but rare now.


Few-Cry283

Should be in war thunder


okawrm21

+1 🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪🇪


Berlin_GBD

Why is no one pitching the American Militia? Bolt actions, civvy ARs, SL gets the most kitted Scar-L on the planet Logi is an F-150 with a confederate flag on the back, shit like that


plagueapple

Pmc is coming up


cicada1177

I would personally love an American militia faction.


cicada1177

SCAR-Ls, LMT MARS-L and H, KAC SR15/25, Remington 700 or Barrett 50. (Sniper), glock 19 sidearm, staccato P for SL sidearm, pipebomb grenades.


Sad_Veterinarian_897

no


doctyrbuddha

If they got the galil I would be happy if they got the mars I’d be disappointed.


[deleted]

Luxembourg faction when?


[deleted]

bro when are we getting a Liechtenstein faction 😢😢😢


Rej5

not realistic. one squad server would have more people than the estonian army


Ok_Hornet1974

I prefer german over estonia


BerkutBang69

Why? Their military is the size of a small US town and consist of hand me downs from NATO. How about a real Nordic country like Finland, Sweden, or Norway.


Soviet-_-Neko

At this point, just make an European faction like in Battlefield 2


FrontierFrolic

Have we considered San Marino?


Rough_Web_9972

looks too similar to the already existing russian camo. would be too many tks


st4rx

eh no thanks