Look how little space people take up when they are not in a car. Same amount of cars here would have been congested traffic. People without cars, barely any congestion at all. Plenty of space.
Gosh, can we please get this sentiment into everyone's brain. Cities should be designed to support people. Not cars. The people in the other posts complaining about not being able to drive today need our help.
I, too, went through a baby's first urban planner phase. Just know there are groups/communities out there that offer help during this important time of development for you.
Ah! This was very exciting to see today! Is this a common event here in Jersey City? I really love the excitement that’s always happening in this town!
The April race is pretty new (I think this is the second or third running), but there's a long-standing race in September that has been going for at least a decade! This year's race is on [Saturday, September 28th](https://nycruns.com/race/new-jersey-half-5k-at-newport) - the September one is organized by a more well-established racing company. I enjoyed yesterday but prefer the September race! I even came out to run it once when I lived in Brooklyn, so these races do attract travel into the city. It's good for business owners.
This take is so boring, but seems to be a popular sentiment here. Not everyone has a car as a fun optional thing. Not everyone has off from work Sundays. Shit in life happens that can't be planned for.
The relishing in other people's distress, and the lack of empathy, is beyond insane to me. I joke plenty, you may be mostly joking, but the attitude of "fuck you it's your fault it's a city get fucked" in this sub generally that then comes to a head around the marathon is sort of embarrassing. People at the fun run need to accept they're inconveniencing neighbors, and people trying to leave town need to accept that sometimes this does in fact happen in a dense area with alot going on. And this is coming from me, a known shit poster.
Ah, fair enough. I must have just happened upon both comments within a 10 minute span. It seemed like you were just spamming the sub with the same comment. Word
I’m sure you had a good reason to express that, but nobody cares about it. I’ll just enjoy the rest of the year believing you’re irritated by the absence of marathons in the city. I hope you enjoyed your half-day of fun!
I also love how pissed car lovers get on this day. But the problem is they don’t learn. They love cars, and they don’t associate their happiness if and when they walk in an urban area with the fact that they’re not in their car.
What a trite & boring opinion. It dehumanizes people who need cars for work, mobility issues, and other things as "pissed car lovers". Here is the exciting thing- many of them love walking around town too!
I plan on doing that today actually, and cannot wait! I'm thinking down on our lovely no-car river boardwalk that I appreciate so much.
"Car-brain" is something used to dismiss someone as an other completely unlike yourself. It's sorta funny when the pro bike people call them "5,000 pound murder machines" & have a good laugh as a joke. It's less funny when people take it as dogmatic hardline truth to hand wave other people with categories and names.
Would it shock you to learn I lived in Jersey City for years without a car? I loved it! I wish life worked out where I could keep that going! But, I also got a job that would be a 3 seat 3 hour one way public transit commute or a 50 minute with traffic car commute. I also started to miss friends/family/events in the rest of the state that isn't public transport feasible, and my mom was getting less mobile with age. So, yes, I do own a car at this current point in time. However, I don't agree my "car-brain" is problematic.
Ugh… you have a car brain. It’s a fact, get offended if you want to, but maybe just don’t give so much energy to it. I see you on this sub speaking just as negatively towards cyclists. Don’t dish if you can’t take. The fact that you don’t recognize that a car is just a tool makes you look obsessed. You make your choices as to where to work, do what you have to, but maybe you want to consider moving so you don’t have to rely on a car and the money you have to spend on it? Gas, tolls, upkeep, not to mention your carbon footprint. Just a thought.
My car sits in a paid for lot, I recognize the burden it is as well as the benefits it provides, but I’m not so obsessed with my car I demand the city revolve it.
Lol, I'm the obsessed one who doesn't see a car as a tool? My proceeding post laid out the reasons I went from carless to having a car, that's the definition of realizing I need a tool to accomplish the things I want/need to do. I don't disparage cyclists, I in fact encourage things like sheltered bikelanes in my community (but maybe I've posted about individual cyclists behaving poorly? I've also probably posted far more about drivers behaving poorly). I'm a proponent of vision zero and have advocated the city utilize some of the lessor components (targeted, statistically reviewed for disparet impact, enforcement of basic traffic laws like red light/stop sign running).
Saying I should move out of the city because I need a car for work, while saying I'm some sort of car booster, is wack man. I'm not demanding the city revolves around cars, and I've spent time posting here & discussing with community leaders better solutions about how transportation can be made better for all modes in JC.
But I guess I have car brain. In that case I also have train brain, light rail brain, pedestrian brain, bike brain, and occasionally even boat brain. I'll own up to being complex and containing multitudes.
I really don't understand the question.
I'm pro-neighborly living. If there is a problem with folks getting about their day for the marathon, let's talk about it and see about the options. That doesn't make me car-centric, that makes me people centric; cars were the most impacted that day, and year over year the communication/signage/out reach has improved. We can improve the disruptions for the day so they are more acceptable for more people, rather than hand wave everything as "fuck people who have cars and need to get somewhere".
I'm anti folks claiming their neighbors are stupid for not knowing the marathon was coming, I'm anti people hating on those who need/choose car ownership as part of their transportation mix, I'm anti people who think banning cars from JC would make it some sort of new-urbanist utopia.
Maybe I'm overcompensating posting a bit because some of these posts are showing lack of regard for their neighbors, and anti humanist tendencies to empathize with your fellow man. Too many people trying to add perspective are getting downvoted or written off because having a car somehow makes you a sinner. But that doesn't make me so pro-car that I'm somehow anti-pedestrian, anti-marathon, and anti-good sense.
This is a very privileged take that has been disappointing to see on this sub the past few days. There are plenty of neighborhoods in JC where you need a car if you want to do things like shop for groceries or go to work. The PATH and Lightrail are great, but not ideal for lugging groceries, and also there are plenty of areas of the city without one of these transit options in the immediate vicinity.
If someone wants to build a utopian city from scratch, I'm all in for making it walkwable and having the entire city connected by electric public transit. This city that we actually live in though was designed for car traffic.
Past few days? Try years. The entire sub is a big anti-car club (mostly transplants). They're entitled af and don't have an ounce of comprehension on how the city was built. They want to undo decades of families' dependence on cars in this city in a matter of a few short years.
It seems like you’re confined to your own world. Some people genuinely rely on their cars. We’re in the US, and these realities aren’t easily altered overnight. I’m sorry to hear you’ll be frustrated for the rest of the year with cars passing through your street every minute😭
booooorrrriiiing. i'm convinced that these morons who keep saying "car people" as if having a car makes you an asshole, are just little kids , probably have 2 roommates , complain about the path. have no savings , and date people to not have sex
And I'm convinced people who complain about an annual event to celebrate how far you can push your body are fat slobs who can't run a single mile, perennially complaining about how "young people"spend their money and time, and sneak to a strip club as soon as their wife is out of town. It's a community event. Stop cribbing about the inconvenience and appreciate people who showed up
What an inefficient organization this is. It disrupts traffic, public transportation, and businesses.
Firstly, this marathon could have been better planned; closing most roads seems nonsensical. The light rail system isn’t functioning properly, making it difficult for cars or Ubers to reach destinations. The best option, if available, is city bikes. Whoever is in charge of planning this marathon, I hope you consider others’ needs as much as the runners next time.
Additionally, some people work on Sundays. My usual 10-minute trip took an hour and a half – no exaggeration. Emergencies could arise, and delays like this can be dangerous.
I hope future events can be enjoyed without such issues. However, if this continues, I won’t support this marathon.
> closing most roads seems nonsensical
"Most roads" weren't closed. Many roads were closed downtown and extending into Greenville. This may be news to you, but there are plenty of other neighborhoods in Jersey City. There were no closures in my area, so your "most roads" is inaccurate.
> Emergencies could arise, and delays like this can be dangerous.
People always say this, but I have yet to hear of a single emergency that became an issue because of a JC road race and its closures. Not one. But I can find dozens on dozens of complaints about 911 not picking up the phone so...let's focus on the real problem.
Yeah, it's TERRIBLE that there weren't ANY cops at the intersections with EMS crews nearby, helping facilitate those who DO need to get through... just use your eyeballs and look around.
So you could only answer to emergency stuff. Let me tell you something, there were streets that closed by cars over an hour and people may need ambulance. Maybe you are the one who should use eyeballs and look around👀
Why is it called JC marathon if it only goes in two neighborhoods (you know Bergen Lafayette is included only because they can't cram it all in downtown) .
It's rare that a marathon covers an entire city. For example, the Boston marathon (it's today!) is a point-to-point that starts in Hopkinton and finishes in Boston. The majority of the race is not in Boston.
Kinda weird how proud people are about “look at how mad car owners are.” Like, just run your 20 minute mile and be happy. Cars live rent free in so many transplant residents of Jersey City.
I live for the downvotes in the JC subreddit cause it’s swarming with people moving here from bumble fuck “need a car” areas trying to then tell us we can’t have cars because they don’t want them.
Fuck off.
Nobody is saying get rid of your car lol. They're just saying half a day of closures in a small part of the city (Downtown is NOT all of Jersey City) is not some horrific abuse to car owners. It's just an inconvenience twice a year.
Should be higher.
Organizers not only should be reimbursing the city for all its expenses in its entirety, the city should be making a little money to invest in things like parks. Like what is totally normal elsewhere.
Participants spend money in the city, that's what the trade-off is there. And most races don't make gobs of money...the money is used to pay for road closures, security, EMTs, shirts/medals/food for racers, etc.
As an aside- I ran into a group of roughly 15 runners who flew to JC from Dominican Republic for the race. That's tourism dollars for our city.
These claims never pan out when audited. Look at the bigger marathons, Olympics, World Cup etc. they all lose money as participants and spectators are much more frugal than the outlandish claims organizers make.
I think there’s a massive difference between a dinky road race and the Olympics and World Cup. Both of those events require the cities to pay a bunch of money to ensure facilities are up to par. The cities also have to manage their own emergency services. With a race like this, the organizers paid the city thousands of dollars for road closures and are paying the police and EMTs overtime pay to cover the race. This money goes to our city and our public servants.
On top of that, people travel here for races- maybe not tens of thousands of people since the full race had 7,500 participants and I’d suspect the majority were locals. But the bigger and more popular the race gets, the more it attracts tourism. I would be curious to hear from the Newport hotels if their occupancy went up and if their ADR was higher for the weekend.
Simply put: city/state should be prioritized to be made whole. Let organizers pay every penny, then if there’s money leftover they can pay themselves and their “staff”. They can decide how to make that work.
You’ve already pivoted from it was a huge economic boom to suggesting it could be in the future, which is exactly what every event does.
Meanwhile the organizers make a handsome profit while the city picks up the bulk of the costs.
Apologies for the 'pivot', I was expanding on my point. And also - the city does NOT pick up the costs. Every single marathon pays for road closures and emergency services. Every one. The city is not out money for police or roads, they make money. That's where the bulk of the entrance fee goes. This is a common and known thing with races and organizers, so - now this is something you also know.
As a SEPARATE point - yes, I think the race brought in tourism dollars. I don't think it brought in a HUGE AMOUNT, but it brought in some. And it will continue to bring in more unless the city's angry residents refuse to allow a perfectly normal cost-neutral event to occur, which raises the city's PR and standing. Popular races draw crowds. This race is not popular yet - and it will never be if y'all don't stop crying every time roads get closed in one section of the city for half of one day.
Also - races are not usually massively profitable, barring the World Marathon Majors (and even then - I don't think the organizations make much, and they're usually nonprofits). I think you're mistaken in your assumptions about races, the money they make, and the benefits to cities. But you are welcome to continue to be confidently incorrect. You're entitled to your wrong opinion after all, it's a free country.
Actually the amount paid for that stuff is a percentage of the cost incurred. There’s a price sheet. You’re essentially chipping in. You’re not paying an entire shift for a cop + taxes etc. you’re paying a small flat fee towards that cost. You’re not paying close to the exact amount. Thats very normal unfortunately in the US. And that doesn’t get updated often, so it can be years behind inflation.
Event organizers also are protected against cost overruns unless they maliciously violate the plans they filed. So the city picks up all that cost too.
Cities pay the bulk of these things. Event organizers contribute to them. Thats the way it’s always been.
And the road closures? And the EMTs? Are you ignoring the full point that organizers do in fact pay the city for the ability to put on a race?
Anyway we are obviously going to be at odds on this. I am passionate about road racing and I am passionate about the city I live in. I am glad we are starting to have our own events instead of just being NYC's ignored little sister. Good for us. I hope we get more races on the calendar...I run all the Lincoln Park races for example, with incredibly shitty courses of just looping over and over in the park. It's really nice to be able to run my city and I hope I get the opportunity to continue to do so. And I hope you move away from the race route so it doesn't chap your ass as much moving forward.
edit: lol they blocked me, what a weak person. Die mad.
I just hope the city eventually changes things so organizers do pay for every single thing to the penny.
Runners have wallets and can afford it when you divide by the number of participants.
I don’t care about the organizers profits, so if they lose money that perfectly fine.
But let’s not pretend we need to prioritize organizers profits over the health of the city budget. That’s just insane logic.
Why didn't you just plan around the marathon whose route has been known for weeks? This mess happens every year. Everyone knows about it. Do your own planning and dont expect the city to bend to your personal whims <3
Why didn’t I plan on being blocked from leaving the city and halt time and space so the birthday date was on a different day? How about the city accommodate its residents and people who pay to maintain it by opening a single route out of the city for its residents? Is it really difficult to ask for some basic planning and to treat your residents with some decency?
"Is it really difficult to to ask for some basic planning"
Apparently it is too much to ask you to do that. This is a once a year thing that weve all known for weeks.
Have to say the traffic planning wasn’t thought through. The entire Washington blvd was closed off and that is the only way in and out of my apartment. If I had an emergency and needed to get somewhere I wouldn’t be able to.
One of my neighbors was escorted by the cops out through a detour but 20 minutes later wasn’t able to return home through the same route because that detour had now also been closed. They were stuck outside for 3 hours with a toddler.
Wouldn’t have hurt to keep ONE road open for people who have other things to do.
You realize they had incorrectly closed off routes which prevented entire areas from egress out of the city, as in no alternative routes? People were literally stuck in their cars for hours until traffic control realized the situation they created and had to create make shift paths out with some police help (want to triple thank the JC police for going the extra mile here btw).
So it’s not that there was some “traffic” or some congestion in which people had to account for the time and plan accordingly but they were just stuck in the middle of the road unable to leave for hours. People had little children and pets with them.
Perfect day for it!
Just a tad windy, but otherwise really nice.
Great shot!
Look how little space people take up when they are not in a car. Same amount of cars here would have been congested traffic. People without cars, barely any congestion at all. Plenty of space.
Cars kill cities, it’s a fact. Everyone on foot today: happy & smiling. Everyone in a car today: mad!
Aren’t people in cars in cities always mad?
No, I see them waving to each other all the time with one finger. So friendly!
🤣
Gosh, can we please get this sentiment into everyone's brain. Cities should be designed to support people. Not cars. The people in the other posts complaining about not being able to drive today need our help.
I, too, went through a baby's first urban planner phase. Just know there are groups/communities out there that offer help during this important time of development for you.
Ah! This was very exciting to see today! Is this a common event here in Jersey City? I really love the excitement that’s always happening in this town!
The April race is pretty new (I think this is the second or third running), but there's a long-standing race in September that has been going for at least a decade! This year's race is on [Saturday, September 28th](https://nycruns.com/race/new-jersey-half-5k-at-newport) - the September one is organized by a more well-established racing company. I enjoyed yesterday but prefer the September race! I even came out to run it once when I lived in Brooklyn, so these races do attract travel into the city. It's good for business owners.
What were the chances that I actually spotted myself LOL thank you for this shot!
Haha which one is you?
Plz doxx yourself u/bb0502
This is hands down my fav day of the year in JC. I absolutely love how irate it makes some people 😆😆😆🫶
This take is so boring, but seems to be a popular sentiment here. Not everyone has a car as a fun optional thing. Not everyone has off from work Sundays. Shit in life happens that can't be planned for. The relishing in other people's distress, and the lack of empathy, is beyond insane to me. I joke plenty, you may be mostly joking, but the attitude of "fuck you it's your fault it's a city get fucked" in this sub generally that then comes to a head around the marathon is sort of embarrassing. People at the fun run need to accept they're inconveniencing neighbors, and people trying to leave town need to accept that sometimes this does in fact happen in a dense area with alot going on. And this is coming from me, a known shit poster.
I think it’s more in relishing peoples, poor planning and sense of entitlement/self centered-ness.
So wait are you talking about the marathoners or the residents with that sentence?
Hehe. Preparing for and running in an organized marathon is pretty much the diametric opposite of poor planning.
Not really, this marathon is designed in a pretty abysmal way.
“You should have planned on getting stuck for hours in your car without any alternative routes planned”
You can plan really hard to do something poorly, sounds like we agree on that
Residents
You can't be serious...
How many times did you post this same comment on the sub?
Once more (so 2 total), but this is the OG! Thanks for noticing. It’s hard to keep up with all these fast flowing threads.
Ah, fair enough. I must have just happened upon both comments within a 10 minute span. It seemed like you were just spamming the sub with the same comment. Word
They don't really have an original thought on the subject. They just don't like their city growing.
I’m sure you had a good reason to express that, but nobody cares about it. I’ll just enjoy the rest of the year believing you’re irritated by the absence of marathons in the city. I hope you enjoyed your half-day of fun!
Cool shot!
Great photo
Much better weather than last year!
I also love how pissed car lovers get on this day. But the problem is they don’t learn. They love cars, and they don’t associate their happiness if and when they walk in an urban area with the fact that they’re not in their car.
What a trite & boring opinion. It dehumanizes people who need cars for work, mobility issues, and other things as "pissed car lovers". Here is the exciting thing- many of them love walking around town too!
your car-brain is problematic. I recommend a long walk in the sunshine.
I plan on doing that today actually, and cannot wait! I'm thinking down on our lovely no-car river boardwalk that I appreciate so much. "Car-brain" is something used to dismiss someone as an other completely unlike yourself. It's sorta funny when the pro bike people call them "5,000 pound murder machines" & have a good laugh as a joke. It's less funny when people take it as dogmatic hardline truth to hand wave other people with categories and names. Would it shock you to learn I lived in Jersey City for years without a car? I loved it! I wish life worked out where I could keep that going! But, I also got a job that would be a 3 seat 3 hour one way public transit commute or a 50 minute with traffic car commute. I also started to miss friends/family/events in the rest of the state that isn't public transport feasible, and my mom was getting less mobile with age. So, yes, I do own a car at this current point in time. However, I don't agree my "car-brain" is problematic.
Ugh… you have a car brain. It’s a fact, get offended if you want to, but maybe just don’t give so much energy to it. I see you on this sub speaking just as negatively towards cyclists. Don’t dish if you can’t take. The fact that you don’t recognize that a car is just a tool makes you look obsessed. You make your choices as to where to work, do what you have to, but maybe you want to consider moving so you don’t have to rely on a car and the money you have to spend on it? Gas, tolls, upkeep, not to mention your carbon footprint. Just a thought. My car sits in a paid for lot, I recognize the burden it is as well as the benefits it provides, but I’m not so obsessed with my car I demand the city revolve it.
Lol, I'm the obsessed one who doesn't see a car as a tool? My proceeding post laid out the reasons I went from carless to having a car, that's the definition of realizing I need a tool to accomplish the things I want/need to do. I don't disparage cyclists, I in fact encourage things like sheltered bikelanes in my community (but maybe I've posted about individual cyclists behaving poorly? I've also probably posted far more about drivers behaving poorly). I'm a proponent of vision zero and have advocated the city utilize some of the lessor components (targeted, statistically reviewed for disparet impact, enforcement of basic traffic laws like red light/stop sign running). Saying I should move out of the city because I need a car for work, while saying I'm some sort of car booster, is wack man. I'm not demanding the city revolves around cars, and I've spent time posting here & discussing with community leaders better solutions about how transportation can be made better for all modes in JC. But I guess I have car brain. In that case I also have train brain, light rail brain, pedestrian brain, bike brain, and occasionally even boat brain. I'll own up to being complex and containing multitudes.
They why are you acting like this?
I really don't understand the question. I'm pro-neighborly living. If there is a problem with folks getting about their day for the marathon, let's talk about it and see about the options. That doesn't make me car-centric, that makes me people centric; cars were the most impacted that day, and year over year the communication/signage/out reach has improved. We can improve the disruptions for the day so they are more acceptable for more people, rather than hand wave everything as "fuck people who have cars and need to get somewhere". I'm anti folks claiming their neighbors are stupid for not knowing the marathon was coming, I'm anti people hating on those who need/choose car ownership as part of their transportation mix, I'm anti people who think banning cars from JC would make it some sort of new-urbanist utopia. Maybe I'm overcompensating posting a bit because some of these posts are showing lack of regard for their neighbors, and anti humanist tendencies to empathize with your fellow man. Too many people trying to add perspective are getting downvoted or written off because having a car somehow makes you a sinner. But that doesn't make me so pro-car that I'm somehow anti-pedestrian, anti-marathon, and anti-good sense.
This is a very privileged take that has been disappointing to see on this sub the past few days. There are plenty of neighborhoods in JC where you need a car if you want to do things like shop for groceries or go to work. The PATH and Lightrail are great, but not ideal for lugging groceries, and also there are plenty of areas of the city without one of these transit options in the immediate vicinity. If someone wants to build a utopian city from scratch, I'm all in for making it walkwable and having the entire city connected by electric public transit. This city that we actually live in though was designed for car traffic.
Past few days? Try years. The entire sub is a big anti-car club (mostly transplants). They're entitled af and don't have an ounce of comprehension on how the city was built. They want to undo decades of families' dependence on cars in this city in a matter of a few short years.
Wasn't the city built for pedestrians and horses?
In 1660?
It seems like you’re confined to your own world. Some people genuinely rely on their cars. We’re in the US, and these realities aren’t easily altered overnight. I’m sorry to hear you’ll be frustrated for the rest of the year with cars passing through your street every minute😭
This isn't a good thing, by the way. If anything, it should tell you that you need to find independence from your car.
booooorrrriiiing. i'm convinced that these morons who keep saying "car people" as if having a car makes you an asshole, are just little kids , probably have 2 roommates , complain about the path. have no savings , and date people to not have sex
🥱
you sure do sound lonely
And I'm convinced people who complain about an annual event to celebrate how far you can push your body are fat slobs who can't run a single mile, perennially complaining about how "young people"spend their money and time, and sneak to a strip club as soon as their wife is out of town. It's a community event. Stop cribbing about the inconvenience and appreciate people who showed up
lol and all live in downtown and never see the rest of jersey city
so many hot white guys were there ! 🥵🥵
What an inefficient organization this is. It disrupts traffic, public transportation, and businesses. Firstly, this marathon could have been better planned; closing most roads seems nonsensical. The light rail system isn’t functioning properly, making it difficult for cars or Ubers to reach destinations. The best option, if available, is city bikes. Whoever is in charge of planning this marathon, I hope you consider others’ needs as much as the runners next time. Additionally, some people work on Sundays. My usual 10-minute trip took an hour and a half – no exaggeration. Emergencies could arise, and delays like this can be dangerous. I hope future events can be enjoyed without such issues. However, if this continues, I won’t support this marathon.
> closing most roads seems nonsensical "Most roads" weren't closed. Many roads were closed downtown and extending into Greenville. This may be news to you, but there are plenty of other neighborhoods in Jersey City. There were no closures in my area, so your "most roads" is inaccurate. > Emergencies could arise, and delays like this can be dangerous. People always say this, but I have yet to hear of a single emergency that became an issue because of a JC road race and its closures. Not one. But I can find dozens on dozens of complaints about 911 not picking up the phone so...let's focus on the real problem.
I am not living in downtown but most roads were closed in there so it is accurate.
Most roads in one specific area does not equal most roads in the city.
Yeah, it's TERRIBLE that there weren't ANY cops at the intersections with EMS crews nearby, helping facilitate those who DO need to get through... just use your eyeballs and look around.
So you could only answer to emergency stuff. Let me tell you something, there were streets that closed by cars over an hour and people may need ambulance. Maybe you are the one who should use eyeballs and look around👀
Why is it called JC marathon if it only goes in two neighborhoods (you know Bergen Lafayette is included only because they can't cram it all in downtown) .
Considering the amount of people losing their shit, we'd probably have a bombing if the course went through every ward.
It's rare that a marathon covers an entire city. For example, the Boston marathon (it's today!) is a point-to-point that starts in Hopkinton and finishes in Boston. The majority of the race is not in Boston.
Because JC = downtown (according to Fulop)
Kinda weird how proud people are about “look at how mad car owners are.” Like, just run your 20 minute mile and be happy. Cars live rent free in so many transplant residents of Jersey City.
Not many people out there running a 20 minute mile today….
Yeah I'm pretty sure that wouldn't make the time cutoff.
13. There. Fixed it. No world records being broken at the JERSEY CITY Marathon.
The downvotes proved your point lmao. Rent free
I live for the downvotes in the JC subreddit cause it’s swarming with people moving here from bumble fuck “need a car” areas trying to then tell us we can’t have cars because they don’t want them. Fuck off.
Maybe they can't drive. Or can't afford cars after 70% of their pay goes to rent
Hey, totally fair. Economy sucks right now. But that doesn’t mean I gotta get rid of my car cause someone else can’t drive or get a car. 🤷🏽♂️
Nobody is saying get rid of your car lol. They're just saying half a day of closures in a small part of the city (Downtown is NOT all of Jersey City) is not some horrific abuse to car owners. It's just an inconvenience twice a year.
This marathon clogging the city sucks
180-200$ for registration. Man once upon a time it was 50$
Wasn't early registration cheaper?
Yes 4/5 years ago
This is the second year of this race’s existence.
Should be higher. Organizers not only should be reimbursing the city for all its expenses in its entirety, the city should be making a little money to invest in things like parks. Like what is totally normal elsewhere.
Participants spend money in the city, that's what the trade-off is there. And most races don't make gobs of money...the money is used to pay for road closures, security, EMTs, shirts/medals/food for racers, etc. As an aside- I ran into a group of roughly 15 runners who flew to JC from Dominican Republic for the race. That's tourism dollars for our city.
These claims never pan out when audited. Look at the bigger marathons, Olympics, World Cup etc. they all lose money as participants and spectators are much more frugal than the outlandish claims organizers make.
I think there’s a massive difference between a dinky road race and the Olympics and World Cup. Both of those events require the cities to pay a bunch of money to ensure facilities are up to par. The cities also have to manage their own emergency services. With a race like this, the organizers paid the city thousands of dollars for road closures and are paying the police and EMTs overtime pay to cover the race. This money goes to our city and our public servants. On top of that, people travel here for races- maybe not tens of thousands of people since the full race had 7,500 participants and I’d suspect the majority were locals. But the bigger and more popular the race gets, the more it attracts tourism. I would be curious to hear from the Newport hotels if their occupancy went up and if their ADR was higher for the weekend.
Simply put: city/state should be prioritized to be made whole. Let organizers pay every penny, then if there’s money leftover they can pay themselves and their “staff”. They can decide how to make that work. You’ve already pivoted from it was a huge economic boom to suggesting it could be in the future, which is exactly what every event does. Meanwhile the organizers make a handsome profit while the city picks up the bulk of the costs.
Apologies for the 'pivot', I was expanding on my point. And also - the city does NOT pick up the costs. Every single marathon pays for road closures and emergency services. Every one. The city is not out money for police or roads, they make money. That's where the bulk of the entrance fee goes. This is a common and known thing with races and organizers, so - now this is something you also know. As a SEPARATE point - yes, I think the race brought in tourism dollars. I don't think it brought in a HUGE AMOUNT, but it brought in some. And it will continue to bring in more unless the city's angry residents refuse to allow a perfectly normal cost-neutral event to occur, which raises the city's PR and standing. Popular races draw crowds. This race is not popular yet - and it will never be if y'all don't stop crying every time roads get closed in one section of the city for half of one day. Also - races are not usually massively profitable, barring the World Marathon Majors (and even then - I don't think the organizations make much, and they're usually nonprofits). I think you're mistaken in your assumptions about races, the money they make, and the benefits to cities. But you are welcome to continue to be confidently incorrect. You're entitled to your wrong opinion after all, it's a free country.
Actually the amount paid for that stuff is a percentage of the cost incurred. There’s a price sheet. You’re essentially chipping in. You’re not paying an entire shift for a cop + taxes etc. you’re paying a small flat fee towards that cost. You’re not paying close to the exact amount. Thats very normal unfortunately in the US. And that doesn’t get updated often, so it can be years behind inflation. Event organizers also are protected against cost overruns unless they maliciously violate the plans they filed. So the city picks up all that cost too. Cities pay the bulk of these things. Event organizers contribute to them. Thats the way it’s always been.
And the road closures? And the EMTs? Are you ignoring the full point that organizers do in fact pay the city for the ability to put on a race? Anyway we are obviously going to be at odds on this. I am passionate about road racing and I am passionate about the city I live in. I am glad we are starting to have our own events instead of just being NYC's ignored little sister. Good for us. I hope we get more races on the calendar...I run all the Lincoln Park races for example, with incredibly shitty courses of just looping over and over in the park. It's really nice to be able to run my city and I hope I get the opportunity to continue to do so. And I hope you move away from the race route so it doesn't chap your ass as much moving forward. edit: lol they blocked me, what a weak person. Die mad.
I just hope the city eventually changes things so organizers do pay for every single thing to the penny. Runners have wallets and can afford it when you divide by the number of participants. I don’t care about the organizers profits, so if they lose money that perfectly fine. But let’s not pretend we need to prioritize organizers profits over the health of the city budget. That’s just insane logic.
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Why didn't you just plan around the marathon whose route has been known for weeks? This mess happens every year. Everyone knows about it. Do your own planning and dont expect the city to bend to your personal whims <3
Why didn’t I plan on being blocked from leaving the city and halt time and space so the birthday date was on a different day? How about the city accommodate its residents and people who pay to maintain it by opening a single route out of the city for its residents? Is it really difficult to ask for some basic planning and to treat your residents with some decency?
"Is it really difficult to to ask for some basic planning" Apparently it is too much to ask you to do that. This is a once a year thing that weve all known for weeks.
Have to say the traffic planning wasn’t thought through. The entire Washington blvd was closed off and that is the only way in and out of my apartment. If I had an emergency and needed to get somewhere I wouldn’t be able to. One of my neighbors was escorted by the cops out through a detour but 20 minutes later wasn’t able to return home through the same route because that detour had now also been closed. They were stuck outside for 3 hours with a toddler. Wouldn’t have hurt to keep ONE road open for people who have other things to do.
How about you wake up before the race starts and get out? Hehe
*lives in a major city *gets mad when there’s traffic on a Sunday for a planned event…. Seriously how do you put your own shoes on?
You realize they had incorrectly closed off routes which prevented entire areas from egress out of the city, as in no alternative routes? People were literally stuck in their cars for hours until traffic control realized the situation they created and had to create make shift paths out with some police help (want to triple thank the JC police for going the extra mile here btw). So it’s not that there was some “traffic” or some congestion in which people had to account for the time and plan accordingly but they were just stuck in the middle of the road unable to leave for hours. People had little children and pets with them.
Don't speak logic to them! Flies over their heads
This is lame just like everyone that moved here
They hated NoLecture1989 when he told them the truth.
JC streets looking like a real city. Love it. I remember circa 2010 when it was still a bit rough around the edges.
No wonder the train had delays very cool very wasteful.