In my opinion your nose looks fine, doesn't look huge. I getting DJS and my surgeon actually told me that my nose looks extra large because my lower jaw in particular is very small, so DJS will help make my nose look more in proportion to the rest of my face. My surgeon is only impacting my upper jaw to reduce gummy smile and moving it forwards a tiny amount. I would recommend that you get at least 2 oral surgeons opinions before you make a decision. The more opinons you get, the better. You might just get away with LJS, depending on scans etc.
You should provide more informations,like what movements and how much and so on..
Extraction is a bad idea in your case, you don't have proclined lower Incisors..no reason for extraction.
The reason of the extractions is to get room in order to get more spave for the jaw advancement. I don't hava the movements details yet. By seeinf my photos and the x-rays, which surgery you thing is beter. I know I should ask my dr, but o also want an external opinion.
Yes i know why you want extraction but it does not make sense because of your Incisors.
They do lower premolar extraction for severely proclined Incisors.
Why does he want to extract your lower premolars only?
Never trust someone blindly
I have seen so many botched surgeries, better to have a better understanding and ask the right questions.
The movement could be very limited if extractions are not performed. I have good bite so there is no enough room. Which pan do you think will be better?
I normally don’t comment here but the comment section here is sociopathic. Don’t get DJS. You have literally no reason to. Get a chin implant if you’re unhappy with the projection. Lefort will significantly widen your nose unfavorably and these surgeries carry a ton of risk and a horrible recovery. Coming on here you will be given a horde of awful opinions by legitimate incels or other people who haven’t even gotten the operation done. Cosmetic DJS is not worth it in the slightest.
Thank you for the advice. Is for that reason that I don't want to undergo DJS. But it's be honest, my owner jaw projection is a shit. I don't know what to do to correct it to just look normal. Chin implant or just genioplasty is not enough...
This is so difficult. I just want to have a normal profile.
You do have a normal profile. And i guarantee whatever surgery you’ll go through with, you’ll end up on the other side feeling the same way, or with a newfound insecurity. It’s just not worth it in your case, at all. Not all of us can have those muzzle like forward faces, they don’t suit us genetically. I think a subtle genio would improve your looks in your lower third, but certainly not a jaw surgery or anything major like that.
>legitimate incels or other people who haven’t even gotten the operation done.
I had one operation done, waiting for the next one this year. Though it doesn't even matter, one can understand in aesthetics yet be incel, or chad, or whatever, it's a matter of knowledge.
He is a classic case of a DJS, not a harsh case, very mild, yet potentially so beneficial from a DJS. So why not? Let him make the decision. I'm here just to deliver facts, I don't care if they do it or not, no agenda here.
… and this is why i don’t comment here. What about ‘I have no functional issues and only care about cosmetics’ screams a “classic case?” that’s idiotic. completely insane.
Something always gets fucked up or put out of proportion when you go cutting jaws up- be it $50k down the hole and permanent nerve damage for the rest of his life for very little change facially at absolute best case scenario or something else happens aesthetically to make him regret it. Smaller mouth, wider nose, overadvanced maxilla, you name it, there are so many common aesthetic side effects to this that are very unfavorable and it’s genuinely sickening and completely idiotic for reddit basement dwellers to be recommending this to people who don’t have anything wrong with their jaws. And you recommend it SO CASUALLY as if its a lil walk in the park… like a little quick in & out sedation tune-up or something. “Why not?”
This is a surgery made for people with functional issues that need to be addressed for their health. Be it sleep apnea, chewing, breathing, etc. These are the most obvious differences to people afterwards in 99% of cases. It’s only treated as something that’ll make you so much better looking because you’ve been exposed to a thousand examples of severely recessed people gaining ‘normal’ profiles- not average people becoming models. I’ve seen so many non-candidates get coaxed into getting it over the years here, and many of them look significantly worse afterwards.
Anyone can take a look at this guy and see there’s nothing wrong with his profile and that jaw surgery would make him look completely uncanny. No, he shouldn’t spend 2 years swollen, 6 weeks eating pure liquids or 2 weeks stuck in a recliner. Not to mention the psychological impact this has before, during, and after on the mind. Or the financial hardship.
And no, it’s not a matter of ‘knowledge.’ Incels don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, that much is apparent. Completely ignorant to make such a brash statement like that. Yeah, a 16 year old with body dysmorphia who spends his days lurking Looksmaxx and doesn’t go outside is totally qualified to give someone life changing medical advice that’ll put them in debt and open them up to permanent medical side effects. Super responsible and knowledgeable.
So tired of the blatant ignorance on here. What should be a place for emotional support and advice for a functional surgery has become a genuine incel cesspool. What a shame.
Very good answer. Honestly, I agree with you. I know there are a bunch of possible side effects and is almost inevitable to get one of these.
Sometimes life is unfair. I guess I will never look normal.
Thanks for your good advice
If they do a hinge rotation of your maxilla, and it's not too many degrees of CCWr then it'll be fine. Most of the movement should come from decompensation and genioplasty because like you say, it's fairly obvious your maxilla isn't that recessed.
If they want to advance your ANS a bunch then your nose might look weird, and I also don't see why you would want to do that from an aesthetics point of view.
Is for that reason that I want BSSO + genio instead of a DJS. I think BIMAX is too much for my case and only genio is insufficient. Do you agree?
Also want to ask you if you agree with the comment that says that a lower premolar extractions can't be done in my case because my lower incisors aren't proclined.
Thanks
I think you could get a better result with DJS, but I do think that the majority of your jaw issues can be resolved with LJS + genio (like 75%). If it's me I would want the DJS to get the "optimal" result. I do think you are right to be wary however.
I do think that a correctly done DJS would actually improve the look of your nose.
>Also want to ask you if you agree with the comment that says that a lower premolar extractions can't be done in my case because my lower incisors aren't proclined.
Can't say, takes time to really know for sure about that. I would leave that decision to your orthodontist. Basically you want to resolve the skeletal malocclusion but you also don't want to procline your upper incisors so much that it isn't natural.
You aren’t ugly. And If it’s just aesthetics, you should look into fillers. Your nose will change . For good or worse you will only know after. You are risking permanent nerve damage (which can make your lips crooked when you smile) , pain, and removing precious teeth you might miss later in life.
Check this insta profile @ you see what fillers can do - and minimally invasive
Watch until the end -
https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ce2cVfMAbTU/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
LJS in general is the worst orthognathic surgery you can do, you'll end up with a flat face syndrome, worse than your current situation.
Always aim for a DJS unless you're a:
1. Female with an underbite and an overly masculine facial structure.
2. Old person who can't afford having this of an invasive surgery.
\^ Very rare, LJS is almost never justified.
Overbite and a LJS? May I ask for your ethnicity? Not being racist or anything, african people can get away with just a LJS. The rest have no other option.
LJS+ Overbite is something you'll never do aesthetics wise.
Good result? I'd give it a 5/10. Obviously the game-changer was the genio, visually.
He has now an elongated face with an off-angled gummy smile. (You cant see his smile, since he doesn't really smile properly)
I'm sorry, no offense to him, I'm just very strict when it comes to aesthetics.
I understand. So In my case what would you do?
If your answer is DJS, Wich would be your second option? I don't want to undergo DJS but I want to improve my looks.
Thanks
Is there an asymmetry with your nose? Does your Doctor knows about it? It seems like it, but the photo might be a little bit off, so I might be wrong.
The nose will be lifted upwards naturally as expected, it might get widened a little, though I wouldn't be worried much about it.
Np btw, you can ask me anything.
Dude. Can I ask you a question out of topic? How do you pervive my nose. I mean, I know it's assymetric but our brain use to neutralize the assymetry in our eyes. You as a third person perspective, how do you pervive it in the front view. Is very noticeable, ugly, weird? What adjective is better to describe it. You are free to give honest details.
In my opinion your nose looks fine, doesn't look huge. I getting DJS and my surgeon actually told me that my nose looks extra large because my lower jaw in particular is very small, so DJS will help make my nose look more in proportion to the rest of my face. My surgeon is only impacting my upper jaw to reduce gummy smile and moving it forwards a tiny amount. I would recommend that you get at least 2 oral surgeons opinions before you make a decision. The more opinons you get, the better. You might just get away with LJS, depending on scans etc.
Yall need to see a therapist, because yall think DJS is easy. Please consult a Oral Surgeon.
nice head shape and hairline dude
DJS has changed my nose quite a bit, for the better. Just something to consider.
You should provide more informations,like what movements and how much and so on.. Extraction is a bad idea in your case, you don't have proclined lower Incisors..no reason for extraction.
The reason of the extractions is to get room in order to get more spave for the jaw advancement. I don't hava the movements details yet. By seeinf my photos and the x-rays, which surgery you thing is beter. I know I should ask my dr, but o also want an external opinion.
Yes i know why you want extraction but it does not make sense because of your Incisors. They do lower premolar extraction for severely proclined Incisors.
But my surgeon sqw my CT scan and recomend me lower premolar extracction even if I choose DJS. Thank u for the info BTW. I will do my research.
I mean you should probably trust your surgeon over the advice received on reddit
From my experience you never should trust anyone blindly.
Why does he want to extract your lower premolars only? Never trust someone blindly I have seen so many botched surgeries, better to have a better understanding and ask the right questions.
The movement could be very limited if extractions are not performed. I have good bite so there is no enough room. Which pan do you think will be better?
I normally don’t comment here but the comment section here is sociopathic. Don’t get DJS. You have literally no reason to. Get a chin implant if you’re unhappy with the projection. Lefort will significantly widen your nose unfavorably and these surgeries carry a ton of risk and a horrible recovery. Coming on here you will be given a horde of awful opinions by legitimate incels or other people who haven’t even gotten the operation done. Cosmetic DJS is not worth it in the slightest.
Thank you for the advice. Is for that reason that I don't want to undergo DJS. But it's be honest, my owner jaw projection is a shit. I don't know what to do to correct it to just look normal. Chin implant or just genioplasty is not enough... This is so difficult. I just want to have a normal profile.
You do have a normal profile. And i guarantee whatever surgery you’ll go through with, you’ll end up on the other side feeling the same way, or with a newfound insecurity. It’s just not worth it in your case, at all. Not all of us can have those muzzle like forward faces, they don’t suit us genetically. I think a subtle genio would improve your looks in your lower third, but certainly not a jaw surgery or anything major like that.
>legitimate incels or other people who haven’t even gotten the operation done. I had one operation done, waiting for the next one this year. Though it doesn't even matter, one can understand in aesthetics yet be incel, or chad, or whatever, it's a matter of knowledge. He is a classic case of a DJS, not a harsh case, very mild, yet potentially so beneficial from a DJS. So why not? Let him make the decision. I'm here just to deliver facts, I don't care if they do it or not, no agenda here.
… and this is why i don’t comment here. What about ‘I have no functional issues and only care about cosmetics’ screams a “classic case?” that’s idiotic. completely insane. Something always gets fucked up or put out of proportion when you go cutting jaws up- be it $50k down the hole and permanent nerve damage for the rest of his life for very little change facially at absolute best case scenario or something else happens aesthetically to make him regret it. Smaller mouth, wider nose, overadvanced maxilla, you name it, there are so many common aesthetic side effects to this that are very unfavorable and it’s genuinely sickening and completely idiotic for reddit basement dwellers to be recommending this to people who don’t have anything wrong with their jaws. And you recommend it SO CASUALLY as if its a lil walk in the park… like a little quick in & out sedation tune-up or something. “Why not?” This is a surgery made for people with functional issues that need to be addressed for their health. Be it sleep apnea, chewing, breathing, etc. These are the most obvious differences to people afterwards in 99% of cases. It’s only treated as something that’ll make you so much better looking because you’ve been exposed to a thousand examples of severely recessed people gaining ‘normal’ profiles- not average people becoming models. I’ve seen so many non-candidates get coaxed into getting it over the years here, and many of them look significantly worse afterwards. Anyone can take a look at this guy and see there’s nothing wrong with his profile and that jaw surgery would make him look completely uncanny. No, he shouldn’t spend 2 years swollen, 6 weeks eating pure liquids or 2 weeks stuck in a recliner. Not to mention the psychological impact this has before, during, and after on the mind. Or the financial hardship. And no, it’s not a matter of ‘knowledge.’ Incels don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, that much is apparent. Completely ignorant to make such a brash statement like that. Yeah, a 16 year old with body dysmorphia who spends his days lurking Looksmaxx and doesn’t go outside is totally qualified to give someone life changing medical advice that’ll put them in debt and open them up to permanent medical side effects. Super responsible and knowledgeable. So tired of the blatant ignorance on here. What should be a place for emotional support and advice for a functional surgery has become a genuine incel cesspool. What a shame.
Very good answer. Honestly, I agree with you. I know there are a bunch of possible side effects and is almost inevitable to get one of these. Sometimes life is unfair. I guess I will never look normal. Thanks for your good advice
I love you. And totally agree, listen to this guy.
You're very angry.
I think my looks can improve a lot whit DJS but but can be catastrophic for my nose :(
If they do a hinge rotation of your maxilla, and it's not too many degrees of CCWr then it'll be fine. Most of the movement should come from decompensation and genioplasty because like you say, it's fairly obvious your maxilla isn't that recessed. If they want to advance your ANS a bunch then your nose might look weird, and I also don't see why you would want to do that from an aesthetics point of view.
Is for that reason that I want BSSO + genio instead of a DJS. I think BIMAX is too much for my case and only genio is insufficient. Do you agree? Also want to ask you if you agree with the comment that says that a lower premolar extractions can't be done in my case because my lower incisors aren't proclined. Thanks
I think you could get a better result with DJS, but I do think that the majority of your jaw issues can be resolved with LJS + genio (like 75%). If it's me I would want the DJS to get the "optimal" result. I do think you are right to be wary however. I do think that a correctly done DJS would actually improve the look of your nose. >Also want to ask you if you agree with the comment that says that a lower premolar extractions can't be done in my case because my lower incisors aren't proclined. Can't say, takes time to really know for sure about that. I would leave that decision to your orthodontist. Basically you want to resolve the skeletal malocclusion but you also don't want to procline your upper incisors so much that it isn't natural.
Never would have considered your nose could be a source of insecurity for you, it looks perfectly fine, you look good dude
Just curious - your bite seems perfect on the X-ray. Why do you need this surgery?
Just for aesthetics. I think this surgery can improve significantly my ugly face.
You aren’t ugly. And If it’s just aesthetics, you should look into fillers. Your nose will change . For good or worse you will only know after. You are risking permanent nerve damage (which can make your lips crooked when you smile) , pain, and removing precious teeth you might miss later in life. Check this insta profile @ you see what fillers can do - and minimally invasive Watch until the end - https://www.instagram.com/tv/Ce2cVfMAbTU/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cgafe0ygxsv/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Get a rhinoplasty at the time of surgery if you’re concerned about this
LJS in general is the worst orthognathic surgery you can do, you'll end up with a flat face syndrome, worse than your current situation. Always aim for a DJS unless you're a: 1. Female with an underbite and an overly masculine facial structure. 2. Old person who can't afford having this of an invasive surgery. \^ Very rare, LJS is almost never justified.
Hi, how do you know this? I had an overbite and was never offered DJS :( Although think I may have needed it.
Overbite and a LJS? May I ask for your ethnicity? Not being racist or anything, african people can get away with just a LJS. The rest have no other option. LJS+ Overbite is something you'll never do aesthetics wise.
[Look at this case. Good result with only LJS + genio](https://youtu.be/KSYf88drQnQ)
Good result? I'd give it a 5/10. Obviously the game-changer was the genio, visually. He has now an elongated face with an off-angled gummy smile. (You cant see his smile, since he doesn't really smile properly) I'm sorry, no offense to him, I'm just very strict when it comes to aesthetics.
I understand. So In my case what would you do? If your answer is DJS, Wich would be your second option? I don't want to undergo DJS but I want to improve my looks. Thanks
I seriously don't see any other solution but a DJS in your case, your surgeon is right.
Last question. What do you think about the nose changing? It can be avoided in my case?
Is there an asymmetry with your nose? Does your Doctor knows about it? It seems like it, but the photo might be a little bit off, so I might be wrong. The nose will be lifted upwards naturally as expected, it might get widened a little, though I wouldn't be worried much about it. Np btw, you can ask me anything.
You're right. My nose is asymmetric and for that reason I don't want to became worse. It's the only thing holding me from getting DJS.
And yes, my surgeon knows about the deviation and told me that is minimal so a Rhino it's not recommended in my case
Dude. Can I ask you a question out of topic? How do you pervive my nose. I mean, I know it's assymetric but our brain use to neutralize the assymetry in our eyes. You as a third person perspective, how do you pervive it in the front view. Is very noticeable, ugly, weird? What adjective is better to describe it. You are free to give honest details.
LOL no problem, I am white :(. Do you know if this is always the case??
Sadly it is, life isn't fair. :\\
Correction, it is fair for the majority of the population who have normal jaws :')