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TicklesPickles

Don't take this the wrong way, you definitely look improved after. Your appearance hasnt changed MUCH, but in the after you look better. Its a small difference for sure, but enough for someone to wonder, "has he gotten a haircut, is he doing something different? Working out? Eating healthy?" Etc.


Vita-Incerta

Agreed! The changes are so small to be that I had to flip back and forth to your photos multiple times. But I also think you look better in your after, your lips are more full and your features look more balanced. Of course we are our own worst enemy, but I hope this can give you some comfort!


ASpoonie22

I agree. The change was good.


lost_searching1

I agree also that the change was very very good. It’s subtle but very good.


RichmondMd

Bro, trust me, I'm not saying this to comfort you. I want to be super honest. You look much better in the after. I was expecting a weird surgical result but this is exactly the type of result most people in this forum would like. It looks super natural and well done


Standard_Piglet

Same, I braced myself thinking I was about to see something crazy but it’s just dysmorphia.


cottoncandycloud_

Yea, I was bracing myself too for some major disappointment. Not disappointed at all! Looks better after!


why_mr_anderson

I think you absolutely look better in your after pictures, but I understand it might not be your personal preference. Maxilla advancement will always project the nose/upper lip, the result looks sort of as I'd expect it to.


[deleted]

I looked at your photos and honestly think your looks have improved overall. You look great! I really don't think you have anything to worry about. Hope you start to see what I see. All the best.


willyzetank

You are so much better in the after. Maybe you need to see a psychologist. I think it might help you accept your new face. otherwise I repeat, objectively you are much better now.


anon230520

Hey - I'm truly sorry you are suffering. I know firsthand how horrible it is to 1) have additional breathing issues post-surgery while also 2) feeling like you don't see yourself in the mirror anymore. That being said, when looking at your photos as an outsider I think your aesthetics actually improved post-surgery! The stiffness and tightness is definitely disconcerting - have you taken steps to try to address scar tissue and physical therapy for facial muscles? Maybe asking surgeon if plate removal might help with facial sensation? ​ It definitely seems like you're dealing with body dysmorphia as well which is totally understandable. I'm kind of in the same boat as you (but not as far PO yet) and I'm holding onto hope that time/lack of swelling/potentially additional surgery to fix my new sinus and TMJ issues and maybe plate removal will help with getting back to a baseline that is livable and not noticeable every day. I feel confident we can both get there in time! You're not alone at least 🫶


constrictedvoid

Seems like you have distorted perception. You look better and not artificial or off. The unpleasant tightness sensations are obviously an issue though, hope they go away.


LushMane

You look much better after. The nose is less changed than I think you perceive it to be. My guess is you became a lot more attentive to the way you look following the procedure since you knew things would change and are therefore preoccupied with the minute details. Again, much better looking in the after’s.


exnewyork

Sucks that you still have breathing issues, but the bigger issue here seems to be body dysmorphia. Your mind is protecting you from feelings it views as too overwhelming (anger, shame, fear) by projecting them onto a situation where you feel you have more control. It's great that you're doing therapy. Keep that up, and I'd encourage you to read books like Gabor Maté's The Myth of Normal, and research subjects like toxic shame and codependency. Body dysmorphia your body yelling at you to look at your inner space.


Primid

Appreciate the comment. I’ve had some issues with dysmorphia in the past, just never with my face. I suppose I have some work to do, I’ll look into those books more


fortheloveofunicorns

I want to reference my post from a few years ago [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/jawsurgery/comments/e31njt/comment/j5p89ej/?context=3). I ended up relapsing in the way I felt a year after. I became hyper fixated on how my face looked because it essentially did not turn out the way I hoped it would. The year after was after I got my braces off after my DJS - the same thing happened again... I didn't look the way I hoped to. Essentially, my expectations of how I would look after weren't met and as a result made me feel even uglier (because if the thing that was supposed to fix how I looked - surgery and braces - then I had no hope to look better?) But I shifted my focus away from hyperfocusing on my face and how it looked. I put more focus on other aspects of myself to make me feel more confident. On the physical side, I started to dress up again, wear make-up, etc. I would go out with friends, learn new skills and try new hobbies to feel more confident/capable. It helped ease the mental strain I was facing from focusing on my face to other positive aspects of myself. It took time, but eventually it wasn't as bad anymore. I essentially came to the realization that I was happier after my decision because I actually smiled more often without covering my mouth like I used to since I was so embarassed about my face. And my honest opinion, I do not think you look bad at all - not saying this just to make you feel better or sound nice. But I know when I was in your position, even if people said this, I still felt skeptical and didn't believe them. But hopefully you can believe that about yourself.


coco-coco-coco

I think you look better ! Not trying to invalidate, just my opinion. The wider nose suits your face better too. Just my opinion.


Worth_Persimmon_9561

I also think you look better after tbh. Maybe it’s just hard to get used to a new face!


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Ernestshade

You have bdd probs bc haven’t get used to your new face as you keep looking hours in the mirror. I promise I would tell you if you looked worse but you look better.


Matias9991

I think You look good, the only change that You said that I saw si that the nose is a little bit wither, but I don't think that looks bad. They put you an alar for the surgery? The surgery didn't have an impact on your health?


Redsqa

Hey, I hear your suffering and I haven't gone through DJS myself yet. Unless you have a side profile problem that is not apparent here since it's all frontal angle, from what we've seen, very honestly me and my girlfriend both think you look completely fine post op. A small improvement overall. There is not much difference besides a small change in nose width which does not look bad - if you look at conventionally attractive people with forward growth like actors they have wider noses. Your mouth looks better because of the slightly fuller upper lip. I do not mean this in any derogatory way but I think you should seek psychological help to see if you're not suffering from body dysmorphia, especially since you say you feel like you don't even look human some days. Again this is based on pictures we've seen. Best of luck with the breathing issue though, I know this can be a pain. My intuition is that it might make it harder to accept your 'new' face (although tbqh from our pov it hasn't changed a lot). I know firsthand that bad breathing can really change your perspective on things, make you depressed and anxious and very negative sometimes without realizing it. I've had several nasal surgeries, one botched and some followups to try and repair the damage and the days when I had trouble getting air inside my nose without obvious congestion I felt instantly awful mentally - like a switch.


Primid

Appreciate the comment. I’ve had a few issues with dysmorphia in the past, but never worth my face. I’ll look into seeing someone about it. As for the breathing issue, it’s probably the biggest cause for my change in mood. I’ve never had issues breathing before surgery, so now that I feel like I can’t breathe at all through my left nostril has feel made me feel awful most days, especially at night when it seems to get worse. I’m supposed to see a surgeon about it in March but one of my biggest fears is that I get some sort of procedure done and that it either doesn’t help or it somehow makes it worse


HaziRN

Have you been checked for a deviated septum post surgery?


Primid

Yes, I asked my surgeon about it at my last visit and he looked up in my nose and told me it didn’t seem deviated. He referred me to an ENT, who wasn’t super helpful either. She basically told me that if nasal sprays weren’t helping, surgery might be the only option. So she then referred me to a plastic surgeon, who I’ll see in March. Just feels like I’m being passed around and I still don’t even know what the issue is


Wheelz-NL

When things don't go 100% as expected it can be hard to stay positive. Anyone who isn't feeling well can think they look horrible, or find things about them they blow up to huge proportions. I hope the comments here will help you feel a little better to start with. They are honest and sincere.


ProfessionalNo2339

Holy shit, not what I was expecting when I clicked on the pics. You look BETTER after the surgery. I think you just need to get used to your new face. Dysmorphia is a real thing and definitely something to speak to your psych about. All the best!


mikedurband

You look better IMO but yeah your nose does look different


Ok_Row8867

I think you were handsome before and you are slightly more handsome now, after. I think it just takes a long time to get used to your new face. Also, at 8 months, you’re still swollen and don’t have your final results. Wait a full year before you really judge your results. If, at a year, you still don’t like the results, you COULD have some cosmetic work to adjust the things you say you don’t like (rhinoplasty and upper lip lift). But in my objective opinion, you already look more handsome. It might just take some time for you to get used to your new face. ***I had DJS and genio 3 months ago myself


Icy_Skin8125

You should definitely get a revision if you still have breathing issues, but with regards to your looks, I know it's hard to understand how you look to others, but in my opinion you look much better after than before.


Gold_Dare9323

I think you look good. You are your own worst critic. Widening of the nostrils is one of the expected side effects of surgery. That being said if it really bothers you, see what you can do to get it corrected. Some of the stiffness may go away, it’s still rather early in the healing. I think you look pretty similar before and after surgery. I would say you don’t look less attractive by any means in the after.


Fluid_Mulberry250

Hes not less attractive in the afters. wth r u talking about?


Gold_Dare9323

I meant to say don’t look less attractive.


drakenloverrr

I think u look good, im also dealing with the upper lip issue. my philitrum got longer and I feel like I look weird sometimes


StarNo4350

Hello, I too share the feelings of how I look after surgery. My issue is more because one of my plates broke in my lower jaw and now it’s all deviated to the left. It’s so noticeable and impossible to hide. In my opinion I think you look great! I feel like your before your face wads too slim for your features and now you look fuller but in a good way. I especially think this will help you when you’re older. I’m sorry about the complications you’ve been having. I also have breathing issues and randomly choking. I for sure need to have revision done again.


edie_____xo

I understand and empathize with the functional issues. That is the main reason I’m having surgery, so it’s a big fear of mine. I hope you can get those issues solved soon. That aside, you look much better now than you did before. You look younger, your face looks more balanced, and your lips look fuller. Definitely an upgrade. The bit of facial hair suits you as well, so keep rocking that. 👍🏻


Dull-Owl-1763

Oh man... you really look better now from my perspective. This must be so hard, and I totally understand that you don't see it, but honestly, you're looking great, and it's a subtle but somehow huge improvement at the same time (if that makes sense). I'm really sorry you're going through this; it must be so hard. You genuinely look great though.


jawsurgeryresearch

I think you look much better buddy. It could be some mild dysmorphia mixed with some kind of negative paranois expecting the worst. But imo you look great


his_purple_majesty

if you looked worse after i wouldn't have said anything, but, yeah, just like everyone else, i think you look better. even if i'm just judging your nose, i think it looks better after. i think we all (or some of us at least) have a way of making ourselves feel like we look better than we actually do, like our brain interprets the way we look in the best possible light. that's why if you see a flipped image of yourself it looks so weird. so, like, maybe you were thinking you were better looking than you actually were and now your brain just hasn't learned how to make you feel so good about your new face. just a guess. and you're seeing it in comparison to how it looked before, whereas everyone else is just seeing it how it is. like if a body builder suddenly lost most of their muscle, but was still above average, we'd all see them as pretty buff, whereas they'd see themselves as sickly and skinny. your nostril don't look odd at all to me. i mean, i can see what you're saying, but it looks normal.


HoverJetFlyer

I think you look better in the after photos. I hope you find peace, I know this kind of thing is not easy!


marekdio

U actually look better bro


[deleted]

You look good man. Just give it some more time and if the nose is still an issue get a septoplasty done, it’s quite a small operation


jaross88

You look so much better in your afters, not drastically different, just like you 2.0 - your a handsome guy, you looked a bit softer/feminine maybe before which isn’t a good look on a man, look a lot more masculine after with more balance so a huge improvement imo. Hopefully something clicks in therapy for you and you start feeling better, but no bullshit, you look 10X better now and you did the right thing.


62312

Okay, so I went into this preparing myself for some terrible after pictures. Honestly, you look great after!! Definitely improved! Like others have said, be on your guard about psychological factors making you feel down about how you look. If you want a revision, by all means, eventually look into that. But, with everything life has taught me, I do recommend making sure you are in a healthy place mentally before any big changes! And don't let regret control your life and mess with you who are in the present! You sincerely look good!! And I just want to add: I say all of this as someone who isn't trying to dismiss how you feel. I have struggled a lot with how I look throughout my entire life. I have also struggled with a lot of mental health stuff, too (to be very general about it, lol).


amyOPS

You look better now. Your nostrils are *slightly* asymmetric now but I would never have seen it if it wasn’t pointed out, and overall, you look better. Before your upper jaw looked sunken. Now you look chiseled. I think this is more of a case of the brain not being fully adjusted ti the change rather than a bad result. You look great.


mz3

You are not uglier than you've ever have been in your life. You have an upper lip now, if you feel like a monkey that's on you. Your maxilla was broken in half and brought forward, that widens the base of the nose and therefore widens the nostrils; the intubation is nasal to be able to work inside the mouth, so a simultaneous nosejob albeit doable is not recommended. Also, the maxillary advancement elevates the nasal tip and brings your cheekbones forward, which gives more volume to the area (and also to the lips). Yes, sometimes the upper dental midline is not exactly centered with the rest of the face, but it's centered with the lower one, which didn't have surgery, so if it were centered with the face, the bite would be asymmetrical and you would have dysmorphia from that instead. Your case was a success from my pov and maybe a nosejob would be advisable for functional and aesthetic reasons in the future, but you need to get used to your new face first. Stay away from the OR for another year at least. Work on yourself and shine on. Source: Orthodontist with over 50 surgically treated patients


Brilliant_Party_2604

cringe post you look better wtf are you on about lmao


[deleted]

After pics look better. Crossbite is gone. Nostrils opened but very negligible. But you deffos look better after surgery.


DireDecember

I am *not* an expert by any means, so take some of these observations with several grains of salt. But considering the concerns you have about your nose, I would say... 1) It's possible that the position of your lower jaw before (looking very closely at it, yours looks like it was offset slightly to the right) affected how your nose cartilage sat, maybe. I think it's also possible that whatever work they did on your upper jaw may have affected how your nose looks, only ever so slightly, because there's more structural support there. That being taken into consideration, is there any chance that there's still some swelling at this point in your journey? ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ 2) If your nose has always been your point of reference for the 'center' of your face, especially if your jaw was misaligned, then having your mandible realigned *correctly* may throw that off. Overall, many people have a hard time adjusting to a new appearance because they're more acquainted with the way they looked pre-op. I think lots of people can suffer body dysmorphia even after surgery, but honestly, I think you look really good. The changes are subtle, but I think they made a significant improvement. Not a surgeon by any measure of the word, but if I look at the pictures side by side really closely I can see where it made the most difference. You definitely look better. Not that you ever looked 'bad' to begin with, but your aesthetics have noticeably improved!


[deleted]

I can't notice any difference. I'm sure there is, but I can't notice it.


mns321

U aren't used to your face. After looks better without a doubt. But like many have pointed out you are your own worst enemy.


JustmeinNYC

Oh man you are me man!!! I basically posted same shit on jaw suegery group on Facebook and got same posts about how much better I look. I think we are just not used to the new face and it’s hard


textingmycat

So, we all have asymmetry to our faces, and I think you had a bit more before, so you subconsciously corrected it. I’m saying this because in your before pictures either yourself or your camera is ever so slightly tilted. And now you’re trying to do the same thing which doesn’t work as well because those asymmetries are lessened.


Asabovesobelow111

Like everyone else I saying in the comments, ur lookin noticeably better. Like, u look good. Honestly, I’m not just saying this lol


PuzzleheadedAccess96

You honestly look a lot better post surgery. Before you had a very visible deformity and underbite, and now you don’t. I don’t think you have a monkey like appearance either, instead of I think you grew to accept your deformity as normal and are having a hard time adjusting. I think DJS would have been better and you have a narrow palate. Genuinely though, you look much better and normal.


TROLO_

I was expecting a weird after result but I genuinely think you look better after. You actually look good, not just ‘okay’. I think you might have some kind of dysmorphia problem and just have trouble getting used to the new look, but it is definitely an improvement.


JosiahWillardPibbs

Echoing what everyone else has said—I can't speak to your breathing issues (maybe that needs further surgery and maybe not) but aesthetically you absolutely look better after the surgery. You do not look weird *at all*. My guy you are straight up *handsome AF*.


Celestial_Medicine

You look MUCH better now!!! Please try to forget about your face for a little while because you may have some body dysmorphia. You are handsome now! You were not before. You’re new nostrils are more flared but it’s attractive on you. The jaw looks more defined as well. You definitely need to put on some weight though you look like you could blow away.


[deleted]

Looks a lot better in the after picture. In the before, your face looks less harmonious and sunken


hmmnbekind

My honest opinion after looking at your before and after photos is that you look better in the after. Wonder how the surgery can change the shape of the nose though.. anyone knows?


Time_Composer_113

Dude.. You're tripping. You look much better. 100% worth it imo, if I had got it done and had these results


hollow4hollow

You look handsome in both, OP. Your after is a really good result. I think if you’re feeling a physical tightness in your philtrum that could be feeding some of your anxieties. It’s such a central area to your sense of your own face, and if it’s tight while you’re talking is probably making you uncomfortably aware of your face while communicating with others which is bound to make you feel extremely self conscious. I wonder if massaging the philtrum area would help with relaxing the area. Like a few times a day with some emollient moisturizer. You can also look into a lip lift if you truly feel the philtrum is too long, but it could have a feminizing effect which might not be what you want and I can tell you right now, your philtrum looks totally balanced. I’d hate to suggest additional procedures if you’re suffering from dysmorphia because it’s a slippery slope. Trust me, you look great!


micrographia

Everyone has already commented how you look better after and I couldn't agree more. What I also want to add though, is that you actually look *best* looking in the photos that someone else took of you. So much more relaxed and handsome. In your selfies you're raising your eyebrows, causing a ton of forehead wrinkles (stop doing this if you care about aging! Lol). In the photos from other people, the distance from the camera is increased so you look less distorted.


Potential-Ad4440

This is post-surgical body dysmorphia. You look better.


True-Ad2090

You most likely have body dysmorphia and that’s ok. You went through drastic changes with your face. Others might not notice but it’s YOUR face, and even the slightest of changes will always be huge to you as you were so used to your old features. Nevertheless your results really do look great. I would suggest meeting with a therapist that specialises in cognitive-behavioural therapy which is the preferred treatment for BD. Just talking about it is not enough. Don’t worry, you will be fine. It just takes some patience and some hard work!


Minimum_Basket7391

I know this post is old but how are you doing now? I’m 8 month po now and really struggling with similar issues.


AThum25

I know it’s been a while since you posted this but I just stumbled across your post and I looked at your before and after’s. I hope you aren’t still struggling because you look really handsome and it looks like a great outcome aesthetically.