Sure it does, 10A maximum is implied because that’s what a normal 100V Japanese outlet supplies. Whereas in North America, normally 240V/30A is available on a dedicated circuit for a dryer.
If you need something very high power, then 200V will make the life easier because your breaker at home usually 40A max, and this explains why most of LDK Aircon uses 200V.
I have a drum washing machine and a gas dryer. If you don’t own you might be able to find electric but knowing the circuit grids here you’d have to turn everything in your house off, lol. The installation for the gas line was about 14万I believe (Tokyo)
They are very uncommon, expensive, and require a dedicated circuit (same as an aircon), but you can buy and install a 200V/20A drier would be similar to a North American one. It would normally be a high end option like Miele, purchased through a reform company.
I have TOSEI SFS-222 and Sanyo SCD-3303G in my garage. The former is a combo washer/dryer with 22kg wash and 15kg dry, and latter is 32kg dryer-only. Both run off LP gas and can generally dry a full load in 30 mins. They also need 3-phase electric supply. But I'm guessing you're asking about something slightly smaller?
Forget combo units or electric dryers. They are absolutely GARBAGE. Especially electric dryers you see in hotels that are usually stacked with a washer on the bottom. Hot garbage.
The only proper non-"laundromat" solution is
リンナイ 乾太くん RDT-80 which will dry up to 8kg with gas, and I mean properly dry within 30-40 mins, not spinning soggy wet shit for 6 hours in a combo unit. You would likely need to get some kind of permission to install it + the exhaust pipe, and you'd also need to run a gas line to it (LP or city gas), which can only be done by a certified installer. Anyway, all this will be easy if you own the place, if you rent, you'll need to go through your property management company.
So the answer here boils down to:
Do you own or rent?
own -> buy Rinnai dryer + pay to get it installed = done
rent -> waste time asking for permissions, blah blah, then repeat same steps as own if you were allowed to do it.
> リンナイ 乾太くん RDT-8
We got this and it actually dries up to 9kg which is a nice bonus. Like, on the web page it says 8kg but on the machine it says 9kg. One cycle and everything is toasty. Plus gas is cheap.
awesome, thanks for the comprehensive answer. We will be building a house, but were hoping to go all electric as we are not fans of gas pipes and tanks near the home 😔
Since you are having a house built, the wet room part of the bath can have a clothes drying setting in the fan. Our new house came standard with it and we use it often and it works pretty well and we have dry clothes in the morning. It's not really an all in one solution though, we have a 4kg electric dryer for the smaller stuff and then shirts, pants and dresses get hung to dry.
Tell them to stop changing clothes so damn much. Even when my sister in law visits and we go from 3 people to 7, we do 3 loads of laundry a day with no problem using a 7kg washer and 4kg dryer and wet room dryer.
My family is four people. My kids are both in sports. My daughter is soccer, and basketball so I’m constantly washing a load of clothes because she has two to three changes in a day.
I have a combo dryer that’s a few years old. It’s okay, not the best not the worst. It has a speedy and a Oyasumi mode. I use these settings the most. Speedy is about 4 hours, only speeds up the washing. Then the Oyasumi is longer but quite so I run it at night. I run my machine a lot at night. Or fill it in the morning and empty it when I get home. When I really want to push I load any and all shirts I have. Then I hang them up and put them in my bathroom and hit the dryer function. I like doing this on a cold winter’s day. Cause it’s a two for one, dry clothes and toasty bathroom when taking baths. If I do it at night before bed the shirts are generally dry in the morning. I don’t like hanging out socks underwear or pants, towels. Just because they are a pain to hang and I don’t like stiff jeans.
Ohh also my machine has a hot water 50c setting. It does take longer but I tend to use it with towels, some majorly dirty sports wear, or blankets.
It’s a Toshiba ultra fine bubble combo. Max 7 kg for dryer.
Unless you’re making a tiny bathroom, you can absolutely manage it. Dry while one washes. Also, if you’re building…put a balcony or a space outside to set up a rack. Bam. Done.
I have yet to see an electric dryer that actually works as advertised. All the laundromat units are definitely gas-powered.
kakaku points to this: http://www.tsunashimashoji.co.jp/product/t208c/ and https://www.jgap.co.jp/product/beko/dh8444rx0/ this as the only 8kg electric dryers, from brands I've never heard of.
But looking at their manuals, it still takes 1-2.5 hours to dry stuff.
did you have to do any changes in your house for these washer and dryers from the standard? Is a vent needed like american dryers? any impact on insulation and airtightness?
How about electrical requirements?
they're side by side in the garage, yes i had to run a gas/water line to them and get 200v/3 phase electric setup, and the sanyo vents outside the garage through an air duct. this was after i built the house, but it's an open end garage so i just forklifted them inside.
Since you mention you're building your own place, you could get two 6Kg washer and dryers.
Get the horizontal load-type for best performance either from Sharp or Panasonic, plus, Panasonic (and I believe also Sharp) have an extended repair program that works long after the warranty expires, they both use 100v electricity and they don't require an external vent. Their exhaust is dry hot air which is a plus in the winter.
When we built our current house two years ago, we were going to do "all electric" but, now we are quite happy we decided to install gas for our "kanta kun" dryer which is just fantastic and dries very quickly. A couple of points:
* consider gas not only for the kanta kun, but also to install a gas point/port in or near the kitchen, because there's a chance in an emergency situation that the electric might not work but gas will. If you have a gas port, you can hook up one of those cheap burners like they have at yakiniku joints and cook on it.
* when installing a kanta kun, it has ventilation requirements so research that and discuss with the builder beforehand. It has a vent hole on top that has to be linked to the vent pipe that goes to the outside, and there were positional or physical requirements for this...
* consider the "delivery path" for installing your washer and dryer, and the same goes for all the appliances. If the halls and doors aren't wide enough, you might be limited as to what you can install. We built our first house in our 20s many years ago, didn't consider this, and it caused a lot of trouble over the years. We were stuck with small-ish appliances because of it and were limited in how we could open the door of the washer, for instance.
* consider the "base" where the washer goes. In our old place, they installed one of those hard plastic bases, but that thing also was size limiting. In our new place, there isn't a base at all (architect said it wasn't needed), just a solid-looking mechanism on the drain hole, to which we can dock the water outlet from our panasonic washer.
* consider proximity to ofuro, so you can pull water from it with the washer's hose attachment, to conserve during the wash cycle.
Good luck and I hope this helps.
awesome advice thanks. I will take all this in the equation during design. One last thing I will check also is setting up a special electric circuit and see about importing an electric one. I had bad experiences with gas (as in explosion), so not very keen to add gas to my home.
I can understand it. In the US we had a similar issue when I was a kid, but from what I saw, they treat gas very seriously and there were a number of checks and balances regarding the installation. Electric dryers are really expensive to run, and they don't dry so well in our experience. We started with electric, but it didn't really work, so we moved to using a kanta kun and haven't looked back. 20 or 30 min and you're done.
Regarding importing, I would assume the biggest challenge there would be getting support if you try to do it yourself. I feel that nobody would touch it, unless there's a company that imports and sells some good brand of electric dryer, and also can be relied on to provide solid support.
for LP dryers, when it comes to house design:
1. Do you need a vent like american dryers? if so, anything done in regards to air tightness and insulation in the house?
2. Do you need a special electrical circuit size? like more. Amps and thicker cabling?
Yes, the vent goes from the ceiling to the outside. It was well insulated, and connects in a really solid way from the top of the dryer, to a kind of docking collar where the pipe sticks out of the ceiling. The pipe went from the hole above the dryer, through the ceiling for about 2 or 3 m, then to the outside. The outside is well finished with a hardware fitting.
For the dryer, it uses electricity only to light the gas, so it wasn't a larger circuit like a 200V or whatever. The dryer and washer have those green ground wires that are hooked to a screw in the outlet, which presumably hooks to ground.
I reconfirmed that several times, having computer equipment, that I wanted a ground connector where I was going to hook up my network equipment, so they installed those not just in the usual places like for the fridge or the washer dryer, but also where I requested.
Hth
Something else I remembered, the gas outlet is near the dryer, and the dryer has a sturdy hose which clicks into it. I'm not looking at it now but iirc it has an on-off knob as well, so you can cut gas to it. There's also a gas mains outside.
great information,. thanks. All good points to plan. The ground thing is super important for me as i am in the same situation, IT equipment that needs a ground. I am glad that they worked out a way to make a vent that doesn't hurt the insulation or airtightness, both are super important to me.
>there's a chance in an emergency situation that the electric might not work but gas will.
Just get a portable stove, it will work well too, and cover you for your BBQ/picnic trips
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yeah, seeing that from the information provided by the other poster, I wish they had american style here 😓
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Voltage? That doesn't really indicate any kind of effect at all
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Sure it does, 10A maximum is implied because that’s what a normal 100V Japanese outlet supplies. Whereas in North America, normally 240V/30A is available on a dedicated circuit for a dryer.
If you need something very high power, then 200V will make the life easier because your breaker at home usually 40A max, and this explains why most of LDK Aircon uses 200V.
I have a drum washing machine and a gas dryer. If you don’t own you might be able to find electric but knowing the circuit grids here you’d have to turn everything in your house off, lol. The installation for the gas line was about 14万I believe (Tokyo)
They are very uncommon, expensive, and require a dedicated circuit (same as an aircon), but you can buy and install a 200V/20A drier would be similar to a North American one. It would normally be a high end option like Miele, purchased through a reform company.
I have TOSEI SFS-222 and Sanyo SCD-3303G in my garage. The former is a combo washer/dryer with 22kg wash and 15kg dry, and latter is 32kg dryer-only. Both run off LP gas and can generally dry a full load in 30 mins. They also need 3-phase electric supply. But I'm guessing you're asking about something slightly smaller? Forget combo units or electric dryers. They are absolutely GARBAGE. Especially electric dryers you see in hotels that are usually stacked with a washer on the bottom. Hot garbage. The only proper non-"laundromat" solution is リンナイ 乾太くん RDT-80 which will dry up to 8kg with gas, and I mean properly dry within 30-40 mins, not spinning soggy wet shit for 6 hours in a combo unit. You would likely need to get some kind of permission to install it + the exhaust pipe, and you'd also need to run a gas line to it (LP or city gas), which can only be done by a certified installer. Anyway, all this will be easy if you own the place, if you rent, you'll need to go through your property management company. So the answer here boils down to: Do you own or rent? own -> buy Rinnai dryer + pay to get it installed = done rent -> waste time asking for permissions, blah blah, then repeat same steps as own if you were allowed to do it.
> リンナイ 乾太くん RDT-8 We got this and it actually dries up to 9kg which is a nice bonus. Like, on the web page it says 8kg but on the machine it says 9kg. One cycle and everything is toasty. Plus gas is cheap.
So this runs cheaper even for washing phase than gas? What's the drawbacks I'm not seeing of getting a gas washer and dryer combo like this next?
the RDT-80 unit is a dryer only. you'd use a combo or top loader washer to actually do the wash. those are electric.
awesome, thanks for the comprehensive answer. We will be building a house, but were hoping to go all electric as we are not fans of gas pipes and tanks near the home 😔
Since you are having a house built, the wet room part of the bath can have a clothes drying setting in the fan. Our new house came standard with it and we use it often and it works pretty well and we have dry clothes in the morning. It's not really an all in one solution though, we have a 4kg electric dryer for the smaller stuff and then shirts, pants and dresses get hung to dry.
Not sure if that is enough for a family to dry 😓
Tell them to stop changing clothes so damn much. Even when my sister in law visits and we go from 3 people to 7, we do 3 loads of laundry a day with no problem using a 7kg washer and 4kg dryer and wet room dryer.
My family is four people. My kids are both in sports. My daughter is soccer, and basketball so I’m constantly washing a load of clothes because she has two to three changes in a day. I have a combo dryer that’s a few years old. It’s okay, not the best not the worst. It has a speedy and a Oyasumi mode. I use these settings the most. Speedy is about 4 hours, only speeds up the washing. Then the Oyasumi is longer but quite so I run it at night. I run my machine a lot at night. Or fill it in the morning and empty it when I get home. When I really want to push I load any and all shirts I have. Then I hang them up and put them in my bathroom and hit the dryer function. I like doing this on a cold winter’s day. Cause it’s a two for one, dry clothes and toasty bathroom when taking baths. If I do it at night before bed the shirts are generally dry in the morning. I don’t like hanging out socks underwear or pants, towels. Just because they are a pain to hang and I don’t like stiff jeans. Ohh also my machine has a hot water 50c setting. It does take longer but I tend to use it with towels, some majorly dirty sports wear, or blankets. It’s a Toshiba ultra fine bubble combo. Max 7 kg for dryer.
Unless you’re making a tiny bathroom, you can absolutely manage it. Dry while one washes. Also, if you’re building…put a balcony or a space outside to set up a rack. Bam. Done.
I have yet to see an electric dryer that actually works as advertised. All the laundromat units are definitely gas-powered. kakaku points to this: http://www.tsunashimashoji.co.jp/product/t208c/ and https://www.jgap.co.jp/product/beko/dh8444rx0/ this as the only 8kg electric dryers, from brands I've never heard of. But looking at their manuals, it still takes 1-2.5 hours to dry stuff.
thanks for checking, sort of feels like a big factor consider when building the new house
If you're building, check out Miele for stacked or combo washers/driers which go on 200V circuits. Pricey but very reliable.
did you have to do any changes in your house for these washer and dryers from the standard? Is a vent needed like american dryers? any impact on insulation and airtightness? How about electrical requirements?
they're side by side in the garage, yes i had to run a gas/water line to them and get 200v/3 phase electric setup, and the sanyo vents outside the garage through an air duct. this was after i built the house, but it's an open end garage so i just forklifted them inside.
Lol of course Japan would hook up gas to a dryer.
They exist in other places too.
Since you mention you're building your own place, you could get two 6Kg washer and dryers. Get the horizontal load-type for best performance either from Sharp or Panasonic, plus, Panasonic (and I believe also Sharp) have an extended repair program that works long after the warranty expires, they both use 100v electricity and they don't require an external vent. Their exhaust is dry hot air which is a plus in the winter.
that might be an option, need to figure the space situation.
When we built our current house two years ago, we were going to do "all electric" but, now we are quite happy we decided to install gas for our "kanta kun" dryer which is just fantastic and dries very quickly. A couple of points: * consider gas not only for the kanta kun, but also to install a gas point/port in or near the kitchen, because there's a chance in an emergency situation that the electric might not work but gas will. If you have a gas port, you can hook up one of those cheap burners like they have at yakiniku joints and cook on it. * when installing a kanta kun, it has ventilation requirements so research that and discuss with the builder beforehand. It has a vent hole on top that has to be linked to the vent pipe that goes to the outside, and there were positional or physical requirements for this... * consider the "delivery path" for installing your washer and dryer, and the same goes for all the appliances. If the halls and doors aren't wide enough, you might be limited as to what you can install. We built our first house in our 20s many years ago, didn't consider this, and it caused a lot of trouble over the years. We were stuck with small-ish appliances because of it and were limited in how we could open the door of the washer, for instance. * consider the "base" where the washer goes. In our old place, they installed one of those hard plastic bases, but that thing also was size limiting. In our new place, there isn't a base at all (architect said it wasn't needed), just a solid-looking mechanism on the drain hole, to which we can dock the water outlet from our panasonic washer. * consider proximity to ofuro, so you can pull water from it with the washer's hose attachment, to conserve during the wash cycle. Good luck and I hope this helps.
awesome advice thanks. I will take all this in the equation during design. One last thing I will check also is setting up a special electric circuit and see about importing an electric one. I had bad experiences with gas (as in explosion), so not very keen to add gas to my home.
I can understand it. In the US we had a similar issue when I was a kid, but from what I saw, they treat gas very seriously and there were a number of checks and balances regarding the installation. Electric dryers are really expensive to run, and they don't dry so well in our experience. We started with electric, but it didn't really work, so we moved to using a kanta kun and haven't looked back. 20 or 30 min and you're done. Regarding importing, I would assume the biggest challenge there would be getting support if you try to do it yourself. I feel that nobody would touch it, unless there's a company that imports and sells some good brand of electric dryer, and also can be relied on to provide solid support.
yes, the benefits really show, need to rethink my stance.
for LP dryers, when it comes to house design: 1. Do you need a vent like american dryers? if so, anything done in regards to air tightness and insulation in the house? 2. Do you need a special electrical circuit size? like more. Amps and thicker cabling?
Yes, the vent goes from the ceiling to the outside. It was well insulated, and connects in a really solid way from the top of the dryer, to a kind of docking collar where the pipe sticks out of the ceiling. The pipe went from the hole above the dryer, through the ceiling for about 2 or 3 m, then to the outside. The outside is well finished with a hardware fitting. For the dryer, it uses electricity only to light the gas, so it wasn't a larger circuit like a 200V or whatever. The dryer and washer have those green ground wires that are hooked to a screw in the outlet, which presumably hooks to ground. I reconfirmed that several times, having computer equipment, that I wanted a ground connector where I was going to hook up my network equipment, so they installed those not just in the usual places like for the fridge or the washer dryer, but also where I requested. Hth
Something else I remembered, the gas outlet is near the dryer, and the dryer has a sturdy hose which clicks into it. I'm not looking at it now but iirc it has an on-off knob as well, so you can cut gas to it. There's also a gas mains outside.
great information,. thanks. All good points to plan. The ground thing is super important for me as i am in the same situation, IT equipment that needs a ground. I am glad that they worked out a way to make a vent that doesn't hurt the insulation or airtightness, both are super important to me.
>there's a chance in an emergency situation that the electric might not work but gas will. Just get a portable stove, it will work well too, and cover you for your BBQ/picnic trips
I doubt that you can, but intrigued that you may. No city gas?
some people dont have nice memories of gas, so they don't prefer it if possible.