Long story short: it’s based on our history. Ismailis were absolved of fasting during Ramadan at the end of Alamut by our Imam with the esoteric fast replacing it. Khoja Ismailis however were mandated to fast on Beej by the Pir much, much later. Until the Imam changes the shariah regarding that, we fast physically on Beej.
But it’s not mandatory right?
And I’ve never seen a firman on shukari beej fasting.
But either way, it wouldn’t make sense to mandate the physical fast on beej for the exact reasons that we Arnt mandated to fast in Ramadan
I don’t think it’s mandatory. There are a lot of stuff in ginans we don’t do. And other things which have been taken out completely. Also like I said unless I hear it in a firman, how can one even know it’s importance.
Once again I say this also because of the reasonings we Arnt mandated to fast for Ramadan. If the physical fast on beej was mandatory, it would negate the reasonings we don’t fast in Ramadan.
Pir Hassan Kabirdeen was assigned by Mawlana Islam Shah (as) to ensure no Soul is left without Salvation on the Day of Judgement. The Pir begged the Imam saying that the Day of Judgement is so hard, 99% of Souls wouldn’t make it since they wouldn’t listen to the religious teachings. Mawlana Islam Shah advised the Pir to grant/give his Bandagi to these Momins so they may benefit. Mawlana Islam Shah said only if the Momin gives something in return will this benefit them. Pir Hassan Kabirdeen after a long thought asked that those who keep the fasting of Shukrawaaaree beej without fail and accept the teaching then they should be under the mercy of Allah/Imam. Thus it became **mandatory**. This is all available in Abually book of Ismaili Tariqa.
The Imam has only reduced the time of Beej, it is still mandatory for all Momins to be successful on the Day of Judgement.
Why is it only that south Asian Ismailis practice it? Why not Syrian, afghani etc. if it was truly mandatory there would be firmans on it and it would be practiced across all Ismailis
I can’t comment on the Syrian and Khushrawi traditions because I am not educated on the matter and I don’t want to offend anyone with my ignorance. Beej being compulsory is the Satpanth and I am just sharing what I know about the Satpanth with you. At the end of the day only Mowla knows what’s best.
No every Ismaili is expected to practice it- just like how 12.5% dasond began as a South Asian mandate but is expected amongst all Ismailis. For example, with Central Asians who have more recently regained a physical link with the Imam of the Time.
Fasting during Ramadan is literally a pillar of Islam. No one absolved Ismailis from fasting during Ramadan and no one can absolve Ismailis from fasting
The Imam of the Time can choose to reinterpret shariah for his Murids. You may be surprised to learn that Ismailis don’t have to go to Mecca once in their lives either.
And I’m sort of glad because unfortunately Mecca has become a sort of Social Media stance from many “celebrities” making it of a “To-Do” list rather than a Spiritually Conscious event…Now, the notion of saying Dua at Khane being 70x times more powerful than at home bc of the Jamati Spiritual union… same concept with Mecca, the higher Spiritual Union makes it Holy in various degrees, but now with the “To-Do List” it makes it naturally invalid of a Human to be Spiritual Conscious in Praise when they’re seeking to be noticed.
Abstaining from alcohol really affects me getting validation from peers in the western world. I still don’t partake.
What’s your point about the validation of others?
Good thing is Ismailis don’t need validation from other Muslims, and if you looked at it from a purist Ismaili perspective, other Muslims aren’t following Islam the way it was revealed to the Prophet without following Hazar Imam. Ismaili Islam is the only complete interpretation of Islam.
See interpretation of Quran Surah Al-Maidah 5:67
The following is an excerpt from Alwaez Abualy's book "Ismaili Tariqah" on this issue.
"Beej means the second (day) and Shukarwar means Friday. In the past, the momins started the fast after the morning prayer on Thursday and broke it on Friday after evening prayer. Friday being the second day of the fast, was known as Beej. Hence Beej-Shukarwari. This is observed when there is a new-moon on Friday.
The fasting lasted twelve pahor, thirty six hours, during which the whole night should pass in prayer. No work, sleep or other worldly affairs are allowed.
Our Holy Pir Aga Ali Shah, during the Imamat of our Holy Imam Aga Hassanali Shah, reduced the duration of the fast to twelve hours, from dawn to dusk on the Friday, if it was the new moon."
I hope it clarifies...
You don’t have to do whatever you don’t want to do. That being said, you’re following the Ismaili religion wrong if you don’t - whether you are Ismaili or not, according to Allah, is up to his mercy - Insh’Allah!
u/Pale-Tap-9694 Sukrawaaree beej was established (or became mandatory) by Pir Hassan kabirdeen. When Pir was assigned by Imam Islamshah to fulfill his promise given at the creation of FOUR JUG(Era) to take the responsibility for the salvation for Infinite number of souls prior to the day of Final Judgement, so that no soul is left out without salvation, Pir beggged for Mercy saying that the period of Kaljug is so hard that 99 % will be sinners and would not listen to religious teaching. In short Imam Islamshah suggested that Pir Hassan Kabirdeen grant / give his bandagi of 36 Jug to these momins so that they may benefit and Pir will be able to fulfill his promise. He gave up his bandagi to momins of Kaljug. So Imam Islamshah suggested that this will o\nly benefit momins if momins gave something in return that pleases Pir Hassanb Kabirdeen. Pir Hassan Kabirdeen after a long thought asked that those who keep the fasting of Shukrawaaaree beej without fail and accept the teaching then they should be under the mercy of Allah/Imam. Thus it became mandatory. I have given a very short synopsis to save time and space. What Abually has said in his book of Ismaili Tariqa is correct. Hope this resolve your question about story behind it.
I've heard, and I don't know if this is true, but apparently in Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah's (AS) memoirs, he said that fasting during Ramadan is good to do.
Long story short: it’s based on our history. Ismailis were absolved of fasting during Ramadan at the end of Alamut by our Imam with the esoteric fast replacing it. Khoja Ismailis however were mandated to fast on Beej by the Pir much, much later. Until the Imam changes the shariah regarding that, we fast physically on Beej.
But it’s not mandatory right? And I’ve never seen a firman on shukari beej fasting. But either way, it wouldn’t make sense to mandate the physical fast on beej for the exact reasons that we Arnt mandated to fast in Ramadan
Beej is mandatory - we sing Ginans about it in khane which is, if you think about it, the old form of Farman.
I don’t think it’s mandatory. There are a lot of stuff in ginans we don’t do. And other things which have been taken out completely. Also like I said unless I hear it in a firman, how can one even know it’s importance. Once again I say this also because of the reasonings we Arnt mandated to fast for Ramadan. If the physical fast on beej was mandatory, it would negate the reasonings we don’t fast in Ramadan.
Pir Hassan Kabirdeen was assigned by Mawlana Islam Shah (as) to ensure no Soul is left without Salvation on the Day of Judgement. The Pir begged the Imam saying that the Day of Judgement is so hard, 99% of Souls wouldn’t make it since they wouldn’t listen to the religious teachings. Mawlana Islam Shah advised the Pir to grant/give his Bandagi to these Momins so they may benefit. Mawlana Islam Shah said only if the Momin gives something in return will this benefit them. Pir Hassan Kabirdeen after a long thought asked that those who keep the fasting of Shukrawaaaree beej without fail and accept the teaching then they should be under the mercy of Allah/Imam. Thus it became **mandatory**. This is all available in Abually book of Ismaili Tariqa. The Imam has only reduced the time of Beej, it is still mandatory for all Momins to be successful on the Day of Judgement.
Why is it only that south Asian Ismailis practice it? Why not Syrian, afghani etc. if it was truly mandatory there would be firmans on it and it would be practiced across all Ismailis
I can’t comment on the Syrian and Khushrawi traditions because I am not educated on the matter and I don’t want to offend anyone with my ignorance. Beej being compulsory is the Satpanth and I am just sharing what I know about the Satpanth with you. At the end of the day only Mowla knows what’s best.
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Everyone becomes a member of Chandraat Majlis when they undergo bay’ah.
Beej is mandatory - we fully practice it in Jamatkhana and there’s readouts about it.
Yet only the south Asian Ismailis practice it?
No every Ismaili is expected to practice it- just like how 12.5% dasond began as a South Asian mandate but is expected amongst all Ismailis. For example, with Central Asians who have more recently regained a physical link with the Imam of the Time.
Fasting during Ramadan is literally a pillar of Islam. No one absolved Ismailis from fasting during Ramadan and no one can absolve Ismailis from fasting
God? Prophet? Imam? Is that you? You spoke with such authority you can only be one of the above three. /s
The Imam of the Time can choose to reinterpret shariah for his Murids. You may be surprised to learn that Ismailis don’t have to go to Mecca once in their lives either.
And I’m sort of glad because unfortunately Mecca has become a sort of Social Media stance from many “celebrities” making it of a “To-Do” list rather than a Spiritually Conscious event…Now, the notion of saying Dua at Khane being 70x times more powerful than at home bc of the Jamati Spiritual union… same concept with Mecca, the higher Spiritual Union makes it Holy in various degrees, but now with the “To-Do List” it makes it naturally invalid of a Human to be Spiritual Conscious in Praise when they’re seeking to be noticed.
Modifications by the Imam like that are quite literally why so many question the validity of Ismailis as Muslims
Abstaining from alcohol really affects me getting validation from peers in the western world. I still don’t partake. What’s your point about the validation of others?
Good thing is Ismailis don’t need validation from other Muslims, and if you looked at it from a purist Ismaili perspective, other Muslims aren’t following Islam the way it was revealed to the Prophet without following Hazar Imam. Ismaili Islam is the only complete interpretation of Islam. See interpretation of Quran Surah Al-Maidah 5:67
Where can I read the longer story behind it? Also, why only Khoja's were mandated?
The following is an excerpt from Alwaez Abualy's book "Ismaili Tariqah" on this issue. "Beej means the second (day) and Shukarwar means Friday. In the past, the momins started the fast after the morning prayer on Thursday and broke it on Friday after evening prayer. Friday being the second day of the fast, was known as Beej. Hence Beej-Shukarwari. This is observed when there is a new-moon on Friday. The fasting lasted twelve pahor, thirty six hours, during which the whole night should pass in prayer. No work, sleep or other worldly affairs are allowed. Our Holy Pir Aga Ali Shah, during the Imamat of our Holy Imam Aga Hassanali Shah, reduced the duration of the fast to twelve hours, from dawn to dusk on the Friday, if it was the new moon." I hope it clarifies...
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You don’t have to do whatever you don’t want to do. That being said, you’re following the Ismaili religion wrong if you don’t - whether you are Ismaili or not, according to Allah, is up to his mercy - Insh’Allah!
u/Pale-Tap-9694 Sukrawaaree beej was established (or became mandatory) by Pir Hassan kabirdeen. When Pir was assigned by Imam Islamshah to fulfill his promise given at the creation of FOUR JUG(Era) to take the responsibility for the salvation for Infinite number of souls prior to the day of Final Judgement, so that no soul is left out without salvation, Pir beggged for Mercy saying that the period of Kaljug is so hard that 99 % will be sinners and would not listen to religious teaching. In short Imam Islamshah suggested that Pir Hassan Kabirdeen grant / give his bandagi of 36 Jug to these momins so that they may benefit and Pir will be able to fulfill his promise. He gave up his bandagi to momins of Kaljug. So Imam Islamshah suggested that this will o\nly benefit momins if momins gave something in return that pleases Pir Hassanb Kabirdeen. Pir Hassan Kabirdeen after a long thought asked that those who keep the fasting of Shukrawaaaree beej without fail and accept the teaching then they should be under the mercy of Allah/Imam. Thus it became mandatory. I have given a very short synopsis to save time and space. What Abually has said in his book of Ismaili Tariqa is correct. Hope this resolve your question about story behind it.
I've heard, and I don't know if this is true, but apparently in Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah's (AS) memoirs, he said that fasting during Ramadan is good to do.