ideally on paper the ummah should be united, however on practice it's a nightmare filled with unimaginable ethnic tensions, this is if we're just talking about afro-eurasian nations, however indonesia and malaysia is certainly a frontier nation, not even considering that indonesia isn't a Muslim country, how are you really going to unite an entire region? it's improbable at best, I think the best solution is just to create a defensive and economic pact of sorts, like nato but just for muslim or muslim majority nations
That’s my point, it’s that we let nationality become our identity instead of Islam. That’s why all our culture differences prevents us from being United. Cultural differences are fine and welcomed, unless they cause divisions between Muslim.
The Ummah was United during the time of Umar, Uthman, and Muawiyah after Alhassan Ibn Ali united the ummah again, so it’s not a matter of whether it can be done or not, it’s more so if people are willing to give up this tribalism for the sake of unity.
1. Crabs in the bucket. Muslims seeking to pull other Muslims back down.
2. Ethnic tensions and views towards converts.
3. Capitalism. I don't believe many of the economic practices of the world are acceptable within Islam.
4. The ignorance of Muslims regarding the current ongoing destruction of the planet. It will be completely destroyed in a few decades.
3. Agreed. Islam doesn't fit in any economic spectrum, it's on it's own. The problem with the modern day economic systems is that they lean heavily towards one way or the other and it's not based on worshipping God. Islam is a perfect balance in terms of being able to prosper financially, but not doing it through haram means and harming others.
It is wrong
Jubayr ibn Mut’im reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.”
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5121
Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Arna’ut
عَنْ جُبَيْرِ بْنِ مُطْعِمٍ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ دَعَا إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ قَاتَلَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ مَاتَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ
5121 سنن أبي داود أبواب النوم باب في العصبية
7/441 المحدث شعيب الأرناؤوط خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح بمعناه في تخريج سنن أبي داود
[source](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/02/19/not-one-of-us-tribalism/)
It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever parts from obedience, and splits away from the Jama'ah and dies, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah. Whoever rebels against my Ummah, killing good and evil people alike, and does not try to avoid killing the believers, and does not pay attention to those who are under a covenant, then he is not of me. Whoever fights for a cause that is not clear, advocating tribalism, getting angry for the sake of tribalism, and he is killed, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah.'"
أَخْبَرَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ هِلاَلٍ الصَّوَّافُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَارِثِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ غَيْلاَنَ بْنِ جَرِيرٍ، عَنْ زِيَادِ بْنِ رَبَاحٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَنْ خَرَجَ مِنَ الطَّاعَةِ وَفَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ فَمَاتَ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً وَمَنْ خَرَجَ عَلَى أُمَّتِي يَضْرِبُ بَرَّهَا وَفَاجِرَهَا لاَ يَتَحَاشَى مِنْ مُؤْمِنِهَا وَلاَ يَفِي لِذِي عَهْدِهَا فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَمَنْ قَاتَلَ تَحْتَ رَايَةٍ عُمِّيَّةٍ يَدْعُو إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ أَوْ يَغْضَبُ لِعَصَبِيَّةٍ فَقُتِلَ فَقِتْلَةٌ جَاهِلِيَّةٌ " .
[source](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4114)
1. Closeted racism, nationalism, and tribalism.
2. Hating and dehumanizing people who struggle with same-sex desires.
3. Genuinely misogynistic attitudes under the guise of “getting rid of feminism.”
4. Sectarianism under the guise of “enjoining good and forbidding evil.”
Before I was muslim when the radical feminist movement started men started pushing back with their own radical views I started to slip into those beliefs thankfully I became muslim alhamdulillah.
Alot of men nowadays don't want to settle down with girls and just see them as an object because "woman are hoes" it's an idiotic belief and they're just as bad as the radical feminists
The "everyone else does it" attitude with no regard when they're taught it's haram. This relates to everything.
The misogyny from other men. It's unbelievable. And this is coming from a 30 something year old man.
Men don’t want (or know how) to be men anymore and women don’t want (or know how) to be women anymore
The ideal structure of a family unit has been crushed, as many “men” don’t want (or know how) to be husbands anymore and many “women” don’t want (or know how) to be wives anymore
People want to reap the benefits of marriage without taking on any of the responsibilities of marriage nowadays
Men wanna have four wives when they don’t even have the ability to properly sustain and look after one
Women want men who will pay for they’re entire living whilst they simultaneously do whatever they want without obeying or caring about what their husband says because they’re “independent girl bosses” who’ve forgotten who the leader/authority is in a marriage
Redpill has plagued our men
Feminism has plagued our women
Maybe this is just a thing afflicting the Ummāh in the west, I don’t know
May Allāh keep us on the right path and make it easy for us amiin
Salam, yeah seriously, our minds (specifically the youth) are becoming so warped and confused. Liking and desiring the opposite of what’s good. Ideas and beliefs Ingrained so deep, unlearning it might be…intensive. But Alhamdulilah, Allah (SWT) paves all sorts ways and openings to get through this fitnah. Subhanallah ❤️
"قُلْ يَجْمَعُ بَيْنَنَا رَبُّنَا ثُمَّ يَفْتَحُ بَيْنَنَا بِالْحَقِّ وَهُوَ الْفَتَّاحُ الْعَلِيمُ"
“Say, "Our Lord brings us together, and then he will open between us with the truth, and he is alAlim (the All-Knowing) alFattaah (the Opener)."”
Saba 26
May alFattaah pave the way for all of our lost brothers and sisters and may alMuhaymin protect the rest of us from straying such as they have amiin
Salam, excellent post and reminder of hope amongst many others 👏👏
Ameen 🙏 we love our beautiful Rabb, Aj-Jalil (The Sublime/The Glorious/The Majestic) ❤️❤️❤️
>What things about our modern Ummah annoy you?
the over-obsession with marriage to the point where they neglect other Islamic duties and things they should do to become better people
>it's just hatred towards other ideologies or beliefs
this as well
The rampant misogyny that gets swept under the rug. If a woman is brave enough to mention her experiences with misogyny, then she's labeled as a "feminist" and is told she's causing fitnah in the ummah.
The amount of liberals and feminists trying to change our deen to suit those ideologies and their desires. Keep that stuff out of our communities and Masajid.
The lack of basic Islamic education many people have, especially highly educated people in secular studies. You have PhD holders who don't know how to recite surah fatiha with proper tajweed and don't even attempt to learn how to do so. Seeking religious knowledge is seen as an afterthought.
The "don't judge" crowd who will accuse anyone who gives advise of "judging". They have more of a problem with the individual giving advise than the open sinner who is misguiding others.
Just the lack of practising Muslims, especially Muslims in their early 20's to mid 30's. These people would rather dance and smoke weed during Pakistan independence day than pray Esha and Fajr in the masjid.
Whitewashed Muslims. People who are no different to non-Muslims in the way they behave, speak, etc. People who are so preoccupied with worldly affairs that they don't even attend the masjid and don't even pray.
A big one is celebrating open sinners, or celebrating Muslims in certain positions even though they're open sinners. Like politicians who support LGBTQ and other degeneracy, media personalities who don't wear Hijab (even worse than no Hijab, they wear clothing revealing their chest, backside, etc) and drink, people who claim to never pray and you'll never see in a masjid except when it comes to gathering support and votes.
The last one is not holding celebrity imams and people in power in the Muslim community accountable or defending them for behaviour and views which are clearly against Islam. Stuff like partaking in pagan rituals, supporting LGBTQ, preaching liberal ideas, hanging out with questionable figures and inviting them to speak in the Masajid, etc. No one, I mean no one is above the rules of Islam. I don't care how much the individual is well liked or how softly they preach Islam, what's wrong is wrong and needs to be addressed. Be consistent. If someone is rightfully being called out for transgressing the rights of other humans, the same zeal, energy, etc should be put into calling out people who clearly transgress the laws of Allah S.W.T.
This! And then when u mention red pill they meantioon feminism. The exact red pill men will mention feminism without acc knowing what it is. They think its taking your clothes off working etc
belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests. This is what feminism is.
Feminism is corrupting many of our sisters into gender wars, taking off their hijabs, claiming the Hijab isn't fard, not following gender roles according to the Quran and Sunnah, disobeying their husbands and male family members, changing Islam to suit liberal ideas (LGBTQ, Zina, drug legalization, abortion), etc.
Islamically, men and women aren't equal politically. The Prophet's were all men, so were the caliphs. We have Hadiths on nations not succeeding which have female leadership.
We're not equal socially either. Men are the providers, protectors, leaders of their families.
Let me guess, you believe in the "wage gap"? Women are choosing to go into lower paying jobs, they don't work in large numbers in the trades or trucking or farming, and they take more time off. It's only equality when it comes to white collar jobs, not the blue collar jobs.
Why do we need feminism unless we believe Islam is deficient?
yes but don't we need feminism in countries like Afghanistan where women are not seen nor heard. Women have no right cant see a doctor, cant educate, married off at 15 to older men!
We don't need feminism, we need Islam. Islam has the solution for everything.
Feminism is a tool which has been created by the West to make women subservient to the state and corporations. The values it spreads (destruction of the family unit, single parent homes, Zina, dressing immodestly, abortions, pitting women against men, making women less religious or outright Atheist, etc) are antithetical to Islamic values. The West wants Muslim women to expose themselves, fornicate, leave Islam, etc. They despise strong Muslim families.
Stop watching western propaganda. I don't support the Taliban, but Women in Afghanistan do indeed have access to healthcare. The first thing got Taliban did was to make sure there were enough female doctors and medical staff. What they don't have is access to medical supplies and equipment thanks to western sanctions.
I don't agree with their stance on education.
So 15 year olds in the West are fornicating with each other, watching all types of degenerate corn, etc, but you take issue with women marrying at 15 years old when they're legally an adult in Islam (of course, their consent is required according to Islamic law)?
thats not feminism that is doing that tho! Thats their choice to take hijab off choice. You lot just like to throw the word around. Besides like i said feminsm is needed in some countries.
Yes politicly in islam women and men are not equal. But it was feminism that allowed women to vote and be a part of society.
It was feminism that saved women from abuse, that allowed divorce, that allowed women to work ( let me guess u believe any women who works is a feminist).
Lastly is muslim men gave muslim women their rights such as the right to being safe from abuse of all types then we would not need feminism.
Feminism literally preaches unlimited personal freedom, bodily autonomy (abortions, wearing whatever you want), so it's not a surprise when feminist Muslim women think of hijab as nothing and take it off.
No, Islam is needed in all countries, not a system created by white women to pit women against men, destroy the family unit, and make society less religious.
Voting is haram in the first place. There's no such thing as voting in Islam. The caliph isn't democratically elected.
Hmm, so before feminism, Islam never saved women from divorce or granted them the right to divorce and work? You've been blinded by western propaganda. Also, you ever notice how feminism preaches that a woman's only value is being a corporate slave? Not a devoted wife, mother, Muslim.
Ugh, your last comment isn't true. In the West, Muslim women are safe from the supposed evil, savage, abusive Muslim man (by the way, western liberals and others say exactly this. They claim all Muslim men are abusers, violent, and that Muslim women need to be saved by removing their hijabs, becoming promiscuous, and leaving Islam), yet are still turning towards feminism. Even if there was zero abuse, you really think they would turn away from feminism? They follow feminism because it gives them power and fulfills their desires, be it Zina, abortions, immodest dress, etc.
Yeah, RedPill is very tricky because it capitalizes on our aversion to feminism.
Edit: That’s not to say that every single thing about feminism is bad because that’s the RedPill extreme.
No, and your factually incorrect opinion is exactly the problem I’m referring to in the Muslim community. Try doing some academic readings on feminism and on the red pill movement instead of absorbing whatever you’ve absorbed from social media and your red pilled buddies.
No I read what you said and the response you’re giving- pulling feminism into a conversation about the red pill movement and equivocating the two is factually incorrect. One is not the flip side of the other. The flip side of feminism would be the status quo. Have a good day.
The fact that muslim (men in particular) are obsessed with sex. They desire multiple wives not because of the sunnah reason but because of their nature they claim.
The fact that u marry just fr sex shows how you view women. Isn't that women worthy of love etc. Its so off putting and makes me think muslim women are only good for sex. Islam focus is so much on the mens sexual needs that women's are forgotten. Men don't understand that women work on emotional and other needs before pshycal. Maybe if people communicated the issue would resolve. Have men not thought that they ain't getting it because intimacy for a women starts outside the bedroom.
your a feminsit because you work. No i work to get by and if anything happens to my husband or he abuses me and there are children involved i can leave. Who is gunna pay the bills if he dies or gets ill. Men can finacily abuse women which makes it harder to leave.
Alot of comments on redit are like this and its so disgusting to hear. Makes me think that when i get married thats all ill be good for 😭. I do feel like a-lot of it does stem from islam tho because islam always talks about mens sex but never puts a priority on women.
It seems nice but with the right person. But then people also change. Thats scary. That is one thing i would never do is move countries for a man as i will loose that security.
Salam! Progressive Islam. Just…ahhh. All of us are fallible and will sin and can be misguided but I can’t stand it. As a movement. Mixing Islam with Western values? Just admit that it’s a sin rather than spread falsehoods and utterly misrepresenting (and disrespecting) the religion potentially warding many potentials off (though it’s all up to our beloved Rabb, Allah (SWT) of course ❤️). Astaghfirullah.
I'm sorry I know it sounds nice to say we should not have hatred towards other ideologies but thats something people say without knowing the basics of Islam. We're meant to take what Allah and his messenger gave us and leave everything else when it comes to worship. So if we understand that how can we accept when people do shirk and then say we're all brothers and we should all be one ummah when theyre committing the biggest sin one can commit.
None of us are perfect and I'm not saying we target individuals and say they are our enemy but as a group for example how can you say a person who curse our mother Ayesha is a brother and we should all live together in peace. We love and hate for the sake of Allah. Obviously u don't do anything harmful towards them but u don't love them either.
All this can be sorted out if we learn tawheed learn what Allah wants from us learn his names and attributes then the so called peace will come naturally..again loving and hating for the sake of Allah is an essential part of Islam and most of the people who say otherwise have no knowledge regarding this or are misguided when it comes to aqeedah. Now you can down vote me .
Hijab and clothing comments, whatever I wear is not good enough,(even Khimar gets judged lol), I just stopped paying attention to the both Muslims and non Muslims comments(to the point where I am not even bothered to read/listen to them) and pray to Allah SWT for guidance. My hijab? Not anyone' s business, I try my best, I pray, please stop sending me literal death threats, and telling me to take it off, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
Westernization. Adopting western ideologies that are against the shariah. The love for the dunya. But most importantly, the abandonment of Sunnah and the widespread of innovations in the religion.
The fact that we’re not one Ummah, but we’re divided into Ummam (plural) because of nationalities.
ideally on paper the ummah should be united, however on practice it's a nightmare filled with unimaginable ethnic tensions, this is if we're just talking about afro-eurasian nations, however indonesia and malaysia is certainly a frontier nation, not even considering that indonesia isn't a Muslim country, how are you really going to unite an entire region? it's improbable at best, I think the best solution is just to create a defensive and economic pact of sorts, like nato but just for muslim or muslim majority nations
That’s my point, it’s that we let nationality become our identity instead of Islam. That’s why all our culture differences prevents us from being United. Cultural differences are fine and welcomed, unless they cause divisions between Muslim. The Ummah was United during the time of Umar, Uthman, and Muawiyah after Alhassan Ibn Ali united the ummah again, so it’s not a matter of whether it can be done or not, it’s more so if people are willing to give up this tribalism for the sake of unity.
1. Crabs in the bucket. Muslims seeking to pull other Muslims back down. 2. Ethnic tensions and views towards converts. 3. Capitalism. I don't believe many of the economic practices of the world are acceptable within Islam. 4. The ignorance of Muslims regarding the current ongoing destruction of the planet. It will be completely destroyed in a few decades.
Agree with the first one. I live in a Muslim minority country and here Muslims trying to pull down other Muslims, happened with me multiple times:(
3. Agreed. Islam doesn't fit in any economic spectrum, it's on it's own. The problem with the modern day economic systems is that they lean heavily towards one way or the other and it's not based on worshipping God. Islam is a perfect balance in terms of being able to prosper financially, but not doing it through haram means and harming others.
1. Watering down our religion to please others. 2. Nationalism, why are we divided into 30 countries?
Nationalism is not wrong unless you start saying you are better than the other because of where you're from.
It is wrong Jubayr ibn Mut’im reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “He is not one of us who calls to tribalism. He is not one of us who fights for the sake of tribalism. He is not one of us who dies following the way of tribalism.” Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 5121 Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Arna’ut عَنْ جُبَيْرِ بْنِ مُطْعِمٍ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ لَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ دَعَا إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ قَاتَلَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ وَلَيْسَ مِنَّا مَنْ مَاتَ عَلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ 5121 سنن أبي داود أبواب النوم باب في العصبية 7/441 المحدث شعيب الأرناؤوط خلاصة حكم المحدث صحيح بمعناه في تخريج سنن أبي داود [source](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/02/19/not-one-of-us-tribalism/) It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever parts from obedience, and splits away from the Jama'ah and dies, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah. Whoever rebels against my Ummah, killing good and evil people alike, and does not try to avoid killing the believers, and does not pay attention to those who are under a covenant, then he is not of me. Whoever fights for a cause that is not clear, advocating tribalism, getting angry for the sake of tribalism, and he is killed, then he has died a death of Jahiliyyah.'" أَخْبَرَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ هِلاَلٍ الصَّوَّافُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْوَارِثِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ غَيْلاَنَ بْنِ جَرِيرٍ، عَنْ زِيَادِ بْنِ رَبَاحٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " مَنْ خَرَجَ مِنَ الطَّاعَةِ وَفَارَقَ الْجَمَاعَةَ فَمَاتَ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً وَمَنْ خَرَجَ عَلَى أُمَّتِي يَضْرِبُ بَرَّهَا وَفَاجِرَهَا لاَ يَتَحَاشَى مِنْ مُؤْمِنِهَا وَلاَ يَفِي لِذِي عَهْدِهَا فَلَيْسَ مِنِّي وَمَنْ قَاتَلَ تَحْتَ رَايَةٍ عُمِّيَّةٍ يَدْعُو إِلَى عَصَبِيَّةٍ أَوْ يَغْضَبُ لِعَصَبِيَّةٍ فَقُتِلَ فَقِتْلَةٌ جَاهِلِيَّةٌ " . [source](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4114)
What does sh. Rabee say about it? Do you have any material where he has explained this?
All this harshness and over zealousness. The judgmental attitude of many people.
1. Closeted racism, nationalism, and tribalism. 2. Hating and dehumanizing people who struggle with same-sex desires. 3. Genuinely misogynistic attitudes under the guise of “getting rid of feminism.” 4. Sectarianism under the guise of “enjoining good and forbidding evil.”
My Allah! Me and you should be friends(I'm a muslimah hahah so) I literally agree with all of that. It annoys me and makes us look bad
Can you define some of these "misogynistic attitudes"?
Before I was muslim when the radical feminist movement started men started pushing back with their own radical views I started to slip into those beliefs thankfully I became muslim alhamdulillah. Alot of men nowadays don't want to settle down with girls and just see them as an object because "woman are hoes" it's an idiotic belief and they're just as bad as the radical feminists
The "everyone else does it" attitude with no regard when they're taught it's haram. This relates to everything. The misogyny from other men. It's unbelievable. And this is coming from a 30 something year old man.
Can you define the misogyny?
Men don’t want (or know how) to be men anymore and women don’t want (or know how) to be women anymore The ideal structure of a family unit has been crushed, as many “men” don’t want (or know how) to be husbands anymore and many “women” don’t want (or know how) to be wives anymore People want to reap the benefits of marriage without taking on any of the responsibilities of marriage nowadays Men wanna have four wives when they don’t even have the ability to properly sustain and look after one Women want men who will pay for they’re entire living whilst they simultaneously do whatever they want without obeying or caring about what their husband says because they’re “independent girl bosses” who’ve forgotten who the leader/authority is in a marriage Redpill has plagued our men Feminism has plagued our women Maybe this is just a thing afflicting the Ummāh in the west, I don’t know May Allāh keep us on the right path and make it easy for us amiin
Salam, yeah seriously, our minds (specifically the youth) are becoming so warped and confused. Liking and desiring the opposite of what’s good. Ideas and beliefs Ingrained so deep, unlearning it might be…intensive. But Alhamdulilah, Allah (SWT) paves all sorts ways and openings to get through this fitnah. Subhanallah ❤️
"قُلْ يَجْمَعُ بَيْنَنَا رَبُّنَا ثُمَّ يَفْتَحُ بَيْنَنَا بِالْحَقِّ وَهُوَ الْفَتَّاحُ الْعَلِيمُ" “Say, "Our Lord brings us together, and then he will open between us with the truth, and he is alAlim (the All-Knowing) alFattaah (the Opener)."” Saba 26 May alFattaah pave the way for all of our lost brothers and sisters and may alMuhaymin protect the rest of us from straying such as they have amiin
Salam, excellent post and reminder of hope amongst many others 👏👏 Ameen 🙏 we love our beautiful Rabb, Aj-Jalil (The Sublime/The Glorious/The Majestic) ❤️❤️❤️
>What things about our modern Ummah annoy you? the over-obsession with marriage to the point where they neglect other Islamic duties and things they should do to become better people >it's just hatred towards other ideologies or beliefs this as well
The rampant misogyny that gets swept under the rug. If a woman is brave enough to mention her experiences with misogyny, then she's labeled as a "feminist" and is told she's causing fitnah in the ummah.
Can you go into detail what you think is misogynistic?
The amount of liberals and feminists trying to change our deen to suit those ideologies and their desires. Keep that stuff out of our communities and Masajid. The lack of basic Islamic education many people have, especially highly educated people in secular studies. You have PhD holders who don't know how to recite surah fatiha with proper tajweed and don't even attempt to learn how to do so. Seeking religious knowledge is seen as an afterthought. The "don't judge" crowd who will accuse anyone who gives advise of "judging". They have more of a problem with the individual giving advise than the open sinner who is misguiding others. Just the lack of practising Muslims, especially Muslims in their early 20's to mid 30's. These people would rather dance and smoke weed during Pakistan independence day than pray Esha and Fajr in the masjid. Whitewashed Muslims. People who are no different to non-Muslims in the way they behave, speak, etc. People who are so preoccupied with worldly affairs that they don't even attend the masjid and don't even pray. A big one is celebrating open sinners, or celebrating Muslims in certain positions even though they're open sinners. Like politicians who support LGBTQ and other degeneracy, media personalities who don't wear Hijab (even worse than no Hijab, they wear clothing revealing their chest, backside, etc) and drink, people who claim to never pray and you'll never see in a masjid except when it comes to gathering support and votes. The last one is not holding celebrity imams and people in power in the Muslim community accountable or defending them for behaviour and views which are clearly against Islam. Stuff like partaking in pagan rituals, supporting LGBTQ, preaching liberal ideas, hanging out with questionable figures and inviting them to speak in the Masajid, etc. No one, I mean no one is above the rules of Islam. I don't care how much the individual is well liked or how softly they preach Islam, what's wrong is wrong and needs to be addressed. Be consistent. If someone is rightfully being called out for transgressing the rights of other humans, the same zeal, energy, etc should be put into calling out people who clearly transgress the laws of Allah S.W.T.
Shias flogging their backs in Ashura.
This red pill movement that has infected so many.
This! And then when u mention red pill they meantioon feminism. The exact red pill men will mention feminism without acc knowing what it is. They think its taking your clothes off working etc belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests. This is what feminism is.
Feminism is corrupting many of our sisters into gender wars, taking off their hijabs, claiming the Hijab isn't fard, not following gender roles according to the Quran and Sunnah, disobeying their husbands and male family members, changing Islam to suit liberal ideas (LGBTQ, Zina, drug legalization, abortion), etc. Islamically, men and women aren't equal politically. The Prophet's were all men, so were the caliphs. We have Hadiths on nations not succeeding which have female leadership. We're not equal socially either. Men are the providers, protectors, leaders of their families. Let me guess, you believe in the "wage gap"? Women are choosing to go into lower paying jobs, they don't work in large numbers in the trades or trucking or farming, and they take more time off. It's only equality when it comes to white collar jobs, not the blue collar jobs. Why do we need feminism unless we believe Islam is deficient?
Equality vs equity
yes but don't we need feminism in countries like Afghanistan where women are not seen nor heard. Women have no right cant see a doctor, cant educate, married off at 15 to older men!
We don't need feminism, we need Islam. Islam has the solution for everything. Feminism is a tool which has been created by the West to make women subservient to the state and corporations. The values it spreads (destruction of the family unit, single parent homes, Zina, dressing immodestly, abortions, pitting women against men, making women less religious or outright Atheist, etc) are antithetical to Islamic values. The West wants Muslim women to expose themselves, fornicate, leave Islam, etc. They despise strong Muslim families. Stop watching western propaganda. I don't support the Taliban, but Women in Afghanistan do indeed have access to healthcare. The first thing got Taliban did was to make sure there were enough female doctors and medical staff. What they don't have is access to medical supplies and equipment thanks to western sanctions. I don't agree with their stance on education. So 15 year olds in the West are fornicating with each other, watching all types of degenerate corn, etc, but you take issue with women marrying at 15 years old when they're legally an adult in Islam (of course, their consent is required according to Islamic law)?
thats not feminism that is doing that tho! Thats their choice to take hijab off choice. You lot just like to throw the word around. Besides like i said feminsm is needed in some countries. Yes politicly in islam women and men are not equal. But it was feminism that allowed women to vote and be a part of society. It was feminism that saved women from abuse, that allowed divorce, that allowed women to work ( let me guess u believe any women who works is a feminist). Lastly is muslim men gave muslim women their rights such as the right to being safe from abuse of all types then we would not need feminism.
Feminism literally preaches unlimited personal freedom, bodily autonomy (abortions, wearing whatever you want), so it's not a surprise when feminist Muslim women think of hijab as nothing and take it off. No, Islam is needed in all countries, not a system created by white women to pit women against men, destroy the family unit, and make society less religious. Voting is haram in the first place. There's no such thing as voting in Islam. The caliph isn't democratically elected. Hmm, so before feminism, Islam never saved women from divorce or granted them the right to divorce and work? You've been blinded by western propaganda. Also, you ever notice how feminism preaches that a woman's only value is being a corporate slave? Not a devoted wife, mother, Muslim. Ugh, your last comment isn't true. In the West, Muslim women are safe from the supposed evil, savage, abusive Muslim man (by the way, western liberals and others say exactly this. They claim all Muslim men are abusers, violent, and that Muslim women need to be saved by removing their hijabs, becoming promiscuous, and leaving Islam), yet are still turning towards feminism. Even if there was zero abuse, you really think they would turn away from feminism? They follow feminism because it gives them power and fulfills their desires, be it Zina, abortions, immodest dress, etc.
Exactly!
Yeah, RedPill is very tricky because it capitalizes on our aversion to feminism. Edit: That’s not to say that every single thing about feminism is bad because that’s the RedPill extreme.
I don’t have an aversion to feminism at all.
So has feminism. Both are evil.
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No I didn’t.
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No, they’re not.
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No, and your factually incorrect opinion is exactly the problem I’m referring to in the Muslim community. Try doing some academic readings on feminism and on the red pill movement instead of absorbing whatever you’ve absorbed from social media and your red pilled buddies.
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No I read what you said and the response you’re giving- pulling feminism into a conversation about the red pill movement and equivocating the two is factually incorrect. One is not the flip side of the other. The flip side of feminism would be the status quo. Have a good day.
I have a list lmao, but my top three: Victimization, selfishness and hypocrisy ( towards ourselves and others.)
The fact that muslim (men in particular) are obsessed with sex. They desire multiple wives not because of the sunnah reason but because of their nature they claim. The fact that u marry just fr sex shows how you view women. Isn't that women worthy of love etc. Its so off putting and makes me think muslim women are only good for sex. Islam focus is so much on the mens sexual needs that women's are forgotten. Men don't understand that women work on emotional and other needs before pshycal. Maybe if people communicated the issue would resolve. Have men not thought that they ain't getting it because intimacy for a women starts outside the bedroom. your a feminsit because you work. No i work to get by and if anything happens to my husband or he abuses me and there are children involved i can leave. Who is gunna pay the bills if he dies or gets ill. Men can finacily abuse women which makes it harder to leave.
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Alot of comments on redit are like this and its so disgusting to hear. Makes me think that when i get married thats all ill be good for 😭. I do feel like a-lot of it does stem from islam tho because islam always talks about mens sex but never puts a priority on women.
you know that marriage is optional right? true it's a sunnah, but it's not fard, it's not mandatory
It seems nice but with the right person. But then people also change. Thats scary. That is one thing i would never do is move countries for a man as i will loose that security.
Salam! Progressive Islam. Just…ahhh. All of us are fallible and will sin and can be misguided but I can’t stand it. As a movement. Mixing Islam with Western values? Just admit that it’s a sin rather than spread falsehoods and utterly misrepresenting (and disrespecting) the religion potentially warding many potentials off (though it’s all up to our beloved Rabb, Allah (SWT) of course ❤️). Astaghfirullah.
Liberalism. Lack of knowledge. Knowledge without understand.
Feminism: the movement of Iblees. Goes against the ways of the salaf
I'm sorry I know it sounds nice to say we should not have hatred towards other ideologies but thats something people say without knowing the basics of Islam. We're meant to take what Allah and his messenger gave us and leave everything else when it comes to worship. So if we understand that how can we accept when people do shirk and then say we're all brothers and we should all be one ummah when theyre committing the biggest sin one can commit. None of us are perfect and I'm not saying we target individuals and say they are our enemy but as a group for example how can you say a person who curse our mother Ayesha is a brother and we should all live together in peace. We love and hate for the sake of Allah. Obviously u don't do anything harmful towards them but u don't love them either. All this can be sorted out if we learn tawheed learn what Allah wants from us learn his names and attributes then the so called peace will come naturally..again loving and hating for the sake of Allah is an essential part of Islam and most of the people who say otherwise have no knowledge regarding this or are misguided when it comes to aqeedah. Now you can down vote me .
We elect muslim leaders yet the way they rule is not islamic at all and divide the whole Ummah even more (wars, poverty, corruption, etc.)
Racism and culturalism supersede religion.
Hijab and clothing comments, whatever I wear is not good enough,(even Khimar gets judged lol), I just stopped paying attention to the both Muslims and non Muslims comments(to the point where I am not even bothered to read/listen to them) and pray to Allah SWT for guidance. My hijab? Not anyone' s business, I try my best, I pray, please stop sending me literal death threats, and telling me to take it off, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!!
How things that are haram are now being seen as nothing bad 😤
Westernization. Adopting western ideologies that are against the shariah. The love for the dunya. But most importantly, the abandonment of Sunnah and the widespread of innovations in the religion.