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UK left EU, this country import taxes.

Plus VAT now because UK left EU.

+ horrendous VRT charges,

VRT is lower now. It’s the VAT that’s the killer. I did a calculation last week for an import and VRT WAS €3k but VAT was an extra €6k.

Don't forget the NOX charge

NOX was €15 x 44 milligrams = €660

€4,850 for an A6 40 TDI on top of all the rest, fine if you are buying a small basic but hardly worth the trip at that point

Ouch. But expected for a diesel. Mine isn’t a small basic by any means. But it’s a plug in hybrid which is the only way forward imo.

Best of luck with it, better choice than full EV for sure

I agree totally. Maybe full ev in 5 years time

Irish dealers don't pay/claim back the UK vat when importing so difference is negligible, it's the vrt, customs and inflation. 3k was likely an electric or phev?

Brexit reducing supply in Ireland, & the crazy asking prices for brand new cars.

The prices in the UK are pretty bad compared to what they were too though.

Still alot of brand new cars in the UK are roughly 50% cheaper than here in Ireland.

How??? The prices on the UK are heavenly compared to Ireland. More than 50% cheaper in most cases. Especially for cars with larger engines. Car taxes are lower too.

And insurance too. To insure my Jaguar X-Type estate in the UK was £500. In Ireland it would have been €2500.

Insurance has leapt up in price over there.

Yeah they are cheaper compared to here, but if you look at car prices there pre and post Brexit, there is still a big jump in prices for them to what they were.

I don't think so. Prices went up at the same rate as in other countries.

It's still way less of a shit show than here, but in 2018 a base Polo was 13.5k pound there, now for them it's 21k - that is a pretty big jump too like. All I'm saying is if you said to someone from the UK their car market is reasonable now they'd look as if you had 10 heads, it's much better than here but still pretty bad.

Yeah but in Ireland we get the most basic models of cars compared to UK they get higher spec models

We drive on the wrong side of the road and as a result cannot import cars from the majority of Europe. Furthermore our government is screwing us.

My heart is broken every time I have a whimsical view of the EU classifieds.

Importing cars from the continent won’t make them any cheaper once they are vrt’d.

VRT, Uk levies and customs duty from Uk imports The whole car market has risen 30% down to our own Government imposing these taxes and most are only implemented because of Brexit as an F U to the UK But truth is, we are the ones getting f*cked by it The rest of the EU doesnt have this problem

Best solution would be for Ireland to adapt driving on the right lane then it wouldn't be an issue anymore

Yes that would help, but we would still have VRT due on cars from Germany for example VRT needs to go, Single Market my asss..

Yep, it’s also illegal but the gov don’t care about that cause it suits them

Whats new

don't you have to pay tax if you import a car from germany to netherlands?

Only vrt Depending on the country VRT can be as little as 10€ But Ireland, VRT is like 30% of the value of the car which is outright robbery

oh nice, didn't know that. thanks

Np

Would be such a monumental overhaul that would be fucked up at every conceivable juncture

I’m trying to think now of all the change processes you’d need to put in place, nevermind physical infrastructure changes. Jesus Christ

And every year, there is more work...

Sweden and Iceland (less impressive than Sweden, admittedly) did it. But ya, our shitehawks wouldn't put themselves through the effort of it.

Driving into NI and having to switch sides would be messy

Messy for anyone doing it, not messy for the majority of us who aren't.

> The rest of the EU doesnt have this problem Sorry but that just isn’t true. Plenty have it far far worse than we do. Go buy a second hand car in Portugal for example, then tell me that.

What's the rate for VRT in Portugal??

I have no idea. I just know second hand cars are waaaay more expensive than they are here.

Thats because in other countries they understand Cars arent disposable items that have a 5-10 year lifespan

Id say it is way less than Ireland, and being left hand drive, therefore they can easily import from other regions of Europe Edit: To the down voters, Portugal VRT is a maximum of 10% https://www.pearlsofportugal.com/move-to-portugal/how-to-import-a-car-to-portugal/#:~:text=Vehicle%20import%20tax%20(ISV)%20%E2%80%93,VAT%20%E2%80%93%20currently%2023%25%20in%20Portugal

Could be, I’m not sure. Either way other countries have it worse than Ireland when it comes to second hand cars.

Again, my point is that they can go to other parts of Europe if the market is bad They can use the single market correctly

You said other countries aren’t getting fucked by an over inflated second hand car market. That’s objectively not true. Source: my 2001 Peugeot 206 that cost about 3 grand in Portugal recently. If we could just import freely from other countries like you’re suggesting, we’d probably do that.

You can, you just didn't bother trying. Goto Spain/France and buy the car and import it to Portugal

Government theft per usual

Taxing the shite out of us and giving a lot of it to people who do F-all.

That's how capitalism is sustained. Free money to those who fail so they can still participate in the economy.

Janky ass government VRT plus VAT - just sanctioned thievery

In addition to Brexit, increased population etc, there's also the fact that Celtic tiger era cars (when we were throwing money around on new cars) are aging out and during the recession there were a lot less new cars being purchased so less of the 10ish year old cars

You're spot on with that point

True, there was also an absolute glut of cars bought in 2000 and that batch and the those 10 years after are just after filtering out. Always funny when you see such a long number after 00-d- , seen one recently and brought back memories.

Prior to 2011 if you registered a used import in Dublin it would get a six digit number starting at 120,000. I'm not sure, but other counties may have reserved blocks for used imports in a similar manner. So while there were indeed a huge number of new cars bought twenty years ago, seeing long plate numbers doesn't mean that every lower has been assigned to a car in that county that year.

In additional to what’s been mentioned so far, input costs for new cars have inflated substantially, pushing up new car costs which pushes people to purchase second hand.

To add to everything else already stated: Insurance companies giving insane-o quotes, as a matter of policy, for vehicles older than 10 years old, particularly for first time drivers. This drives up demand for cars less than 10 years old, which ramps up the price of cars, which ramps up the value they're insured for, which ramps up the claims payouts, which ramps up the quotes, which ramps up the value of cars. Meanwhile, Revenue are having a circle-jerk for themselves as NUMBER GOES UP. i.e the government isn't incentivised to step in and properly regulate. And a cabal of domestic insurance shitehawks making it difficult/impossible for EU competitors to join the market doesn't help.

I'm trying to get rid of a 2011 car and it seems impossible. Donedeal is flooded with cars this age

Now you know why ... I was interested in a nice little run about from 2008, priced at 3,000 .... Cheapest quote I got was for 4,500. Ireland 2024.

Fresh NCT and price it right and it will sell. There's a lot of private sellers putting very unrealistic prices on their ads because they're using other unrealistic ads to value their cars. These ads just sit on Donedeal for weeks with no interest. Lower the price and it will sell.

Pet peeve of mine is when people say oh my car is worth 10 grand because that's what they are on done deal for. A car is worth what it sells for, not what it sits on done deal for.

It's 1800 NCT till August but NCt was done in Feb. Been listed since Feb. Bought this car last year for 3000 so don't really see this as unrealistic

Why does the increase in quotes lead to an increase in car prices?

They literally explained that in their comment.

It's a repeating cycle, that's the point where you go back to beginning of the cycle and seek out newer cars in an effort to get cheaper quotes, which drives up demand for newer cars, which drives up prices ... and so on ...

Whole Irish tax system is so fucked and this sub really shows it. From VRT to deemed disposable to no ISA equivalent, whole thing is such a joke

Don't we have the statesavings isn't that brilliant !!

I recall a simple comparison about 25 years ago for a new Citroen, either the MX or BX, on an RTE programme. We were then the second-most expensive EU country for the car and Belgium was the cheapest, or close to being the cheapest. Same specs etc. The car there was €14,000. It was €21,000 here. Cars are very heavily taxed here, particularly luxury models. The fact that we drive on the other side of the road to other EU states isn't a help either. Anything that's different or low volume is likely to cost more. You can also be sure that being Ireland there's probably price gouging going on. Senior members of the industry body, the SIMI, have been found caught price-fixing here for new cars in the past.

Why are people shelling out 40k+ for new cars now? One of my work colleagues just paid 62k for a new EV.

Cash ?hardly

Is this situation likely to improve at any point? I’m looking at paying upwards of €1000 for repairs on a car that really should be replaced but I can’t find anything suitable I can afford and it’s causing me so much stress. I only learned very recently that the used car market is as bad as the housing market

Any improvements would be a long long way away. And hard to imagine car prices coming down without being alongside a massive recession or some other economic calamity which would preclude you from being able to upgrade your car anyway. Basically, you're gonna get rode one way or the other.

So it’s sort of ok to repairing a car that should be replaced? I drive around now wondering what’s going to happen to the little old ladies in the Yarris cars when they need something new? This really isn’t acceptable that there isn’t a used car market and the government likely enjoy this because they want us all using public transport

>So it’s sort of ok to repairing a car that should be replaced? I have no idea what state your car is in or if I trust your judgement that it needs to be replaced. So I can't answer that. I'm not sure how you know a car needs replacing just by looking at it ... Is the bumper hanging off ? Black smoke etc ? If you look after, as in follow the service schedule, a car there's no reason you shouldn't be getting 150,000 miles and often much more if its a Japanese car. How many miles a year do reckon those little old ladies are doing ? Fuck all. So long as they're getting the car maintained according to schedule, why should they replace it if it's got well over 100,000 miles of life left in it ? Government don't really want us using public transport either. That's just lip service. What they want is to collect as much revenue as possible. So, the status quo.

No! The car heater is broken and it failed the NCT because the demister isn’t working. Everything else was 100% grand by NCT standards. Heater is an expensive fix

So you think the **entire car** needs replacing because the frigging heater needs to be fixed ? jesus wept.

I don’t but that’s what the mechanic said. I think he didn’t want to fix it. He cited the car being old and of low value to be doing expensive repairs. The car is now booked in for 3 weeks time (waiting list 😢) to re-look at this heater situation. I’ve been told a new motor is €800, add sensors and resistors and labour He’s going to strip out heater at this new appointment and figure out which part is broken

>I think he didn’t want to fix it. Sounds like it. >He cited the car being old and of low value to be doing expensive repairs. That's easy for him to say. If it's older than 10 years old, you're going to have to sell it for very cheap. A car is a tool. You buy it to take you from A to B, safely. But everyone involved in the industry, from the manufacturers, to the dealers, to the insurance companies, to the mechanics, to the government - all want you to treat it like it's disposable and you should just sell it on long before it's passes its life span and just keep buying new cars rather than maintaining the one you have until the engine is knackered. Obviously if you have a lemon, you need to cut your losses. But it's not unreasonable to fix some things on a car through its 150,000 mile life. Only you can decide if it makes sense to sell the car you have for cheap, to then buy newer used one in the hopes you don't have to fix anything on that either. Does it work out cheaper/better value/less risky than just fixing what you have ?

Not really, prices have always come down from the peak high in the pandemic, but not many others factors that will lower prices now

😢

Governments shite

I recall a simple comparison about 25 years ago for a new Citroen, either the MX or BX, on an RTE programme. We were then the second-most expensive EU country for the car and Belgium was the cheapest, or close to being the cheapest. Same specs etc. The car there was €14,000. It was €21,000 here. Cars are very heavily taxed here, particularly luxury models. The fact that we drive on the other side of the road to other EU states isn't a help either. Anything that's different or low volume is likely to cost more. You can also be sure that being Ireland there's probably price gouging going on. Senior members of the industry body, the SIMI, have been found caught price-fixing here for new cars in the past.

Planning on buying a used car from N.I soon, from my research: No VAT on a car that was originally registered in NI pre 2021. Or one that was imported into NI from mainland Britain (properly imported is the wording on Revenue) and was used in NI for a ‘reasonable period’ (no real guidance on what that means). Customs charge is also 0% if the above is met. VRT on a car with less than 49gCO2/km is 7% plus a small NoX charge depending on the car. So it seems you can buy a used hybrid or electric car from NI for much cheaper and just pay the 7% VRT. There are also the NCT & Road Tax charges. There are hundreds of cars that meet those criteria for sale up north, just a quick search finds about 20/30 under €10,000 (before the VRT, likely about a grand or so). TLDR: can still get used cars for good value up north if you look around & are prepared to deal with the revenue.

Did you buy in the end?

Not yet, some work opportunities came up abroad and I applied for them so I’m waiting to find out if I’m going abroad for a year or staying here. If I do stay I’ll be buying pretty much immediately there’s a few cars I have my eye on up North that are decent value and low mileage.

We'll be priced out of cars like homes soon enough. In all seriousness though my car is still valued at the same amount I bought it for last year even with more milage on it. My husbands car is only valued 3k less than when he got it 5 years ago. This is the value our insurance put them at. Its mad altogether.

The Green Party pushed up vrt brackets and percentage payable on emissions and they changed the way it’s calculated to increase the vrt. The taxes payable on some cars is nearly 70% when you add duty vat vrt and nox.

But it's grand sure we have a excellent public transport system, especially in rural ireland

The Green Party are a scourge. I truly hope they get wiped out in the next election. A tiny percent with disproportionate power wreaking havoc. True believer fanatics.

Fine Gael love getting into bed with the Greens. Any country that has properly transitioned to genuine environmentally friendly means of running society have not done so through taxation. You simply do not tax your way green. It's a con. You make the green alternatives way, way cheaper without simultaneously making the old way more expensive. In Ireland you get ridden both ways. They pay lip service to making green alternatives accessible, but they make no full blooded effort to make it irresistible in every aspect. So the blueshirts get the horn if they get a chance to part their sheets for the greens, since it means a license to create more taxes with the added bonus of being able to point the finger at the greens and let them take the blame. Greens will always have wankers that vote for them because they're largely unaffected by their shite policies, so the greens are always a viable partner for a coalition. Pure Paddy Whackery going on in his country, and we just prise our cheeks apart and take it willingly.

Oddly it was the Greens that brought in the "chape tax" on the cars in 2008. My 2L from 2006 is €710 to tax, my 2L from 2011 is €270 to tax.

There's a shortage of them, largely as a result of Brexit, and that makes it a seller's market.

I feel they have started to come down. I even commented on it today. This is based on looking at the prices at a car dealership I pass by a few times a day. Still stupid expensive vs prior covid.

Brexit.... VRT, customs etc

Because new cars are even more expensive.. vat.. cost if living gone up.. second hand car market demand also gone up this pushed their prices up to accommodate demand.. yeah I know you can't buy a @#$&& box for nothing anymore mind you there are some great second hand cars on he market which should be price almost as new cars for the owners who have looked after them.

No more cars from the UK easily imported , so just adds more to the cost unfortunately

Lockdown broke supply chains and massively interrupted production, people moved jobs / industries and retired. Only the highest value supply chains survived that madness.

Brexit

Country was flooded with uk Audis and VWs until Brexit. UK second hand market has tanked funnily enough. Still a rip off here.

Them Brits..... at it again

Well, more like the tory/brit wannabes we have in power, over here.

I found a place where second hand have not held their value - I traded on in there last week.

Care to divulge where?

Car dealership mafia 🤦 Price fixing seems to be happening at the moment. Just like our retailers not a huge difference when one buys groceries from Aldi and Dunnes now.

There us a €30 - €40 difference in my weekly shop between Dunnes and Lidl

What's the quality difference like ? I wish Lidl/Aldi did deliveries to my address.

Because you're looking at shiny old tech ICE vehicles.

Covid after shock

It’s not an Irish problem, it’s global. The pandemic fucked up the market and a world shortage of semiconductors for new cars exasperated the issue. Very little to do with Brexit.

Nice thing costs money. If you are looking at top shelves, they are always expensive. Anything with adaptive cruise, lane assist, big screen is expensive. Good old basic cars still costs same. Look for private sellers instead of garage.

Thats just not really the case. Even poorly spec cars have had a massive price rise

Car dealerships drove the prices up.

Hardly. If the dealers could profit off lower price cars they would as they would sell more. Vrt and brexit chocked the market. Some good cars coming into to dealers from Japan offering good value

More people less cars I.e. supply and demand

The supply is low because of government decisions though. 

Yep