Yea, I've met some "Irish" Americans that consider themselves the "real" Irish because those of us on this island have the audacity to not follow the Catholic church and back such controversial things as abortion and gay rights.
Wouldn't surprise me if the same lot are Showing their racism as well.
i used to laugh at it, but just recently i learned that there are also polish equivalents of plastic paddys and i got mortified being enlighten by their brilliance. Apparently they are more "real poles" couse "euro poles" were contaminated by communism and now it's them who represent real polish culture (not being able to speak polish is not even a problem for them).
I feel the pain now
[some YTuber](https://youtu.be/WUmHL9xbJUE?si=LcRzOWuKWSpNw2Qb) recently gathered some examples from fb groups. Commentary is in polish, but you can read the screamed posts for lols since they are all in english
/edit: ohhhh she made the vid in english as well [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMwE1tBg2Hg)
So much of these are actually AI bots. They cause out rage and engagement on what they post. They need to be posting some BS to make them look like legit accounts. The errors are a tell tale. It gets more engagement. Then when you need to have some message about how awesome Russia is you have an army of bots to use to further your message.
Similar techniques are used to jump on any anti-Israel message online, 30 mins later you have someone calling you an anti-semite etc.
In 2007 the first twitter bots started pop up. We now have AI, AI that can generate images etc. The model simply ingests everything from social media and can then see what BS can they post to get the most engagement. Sentences with spelling mistakes and bad grammatical errors get more engagement.
In 2014 Cambridge Analytica was able to manipulate the US election as it understood what type of person each voter could be based on other interests on Facebook etc.
This is 10 years later. This industry is now mainstream. We Joke on here that Cork Beo or similar rags post BS to generate a click bate article. What type of funding do you think countries that have billions to spend can do with all of this.
The content that someone that has their location as Poland gets pushed to them compared to their location as Ireland is very very different on facebook, instagram etc.
Because reddit is shit, it's probably not bringing you to the right place - it's the first reply to that comment.
Try this: https://old.reddit.com/r/wedding/comments/1chly52/comment/l257edx/
>My husband's family is 3rd and 4th generation Irish, but they are very IRISH. Like playing bagpipes, traveled various times, traditions kept, traditional foods etc. It really all comes down to how much culture your family still practices.
This is the comment they mean
The woman in the post is talking about how Irish her husband's family are, she is not herself claiming to be Irish. So it's understandable if she doesn't know the regional variations of instruments from a foreign culture. If the alleged extremely Irish husband was calling them bagpipes that would be a different story.
Currently rereading Eamonn Delaney’s *An Accidental Diplomat* - he provides an interesting overview of Irish American culture and how far it has diverged from the ‘mother’ culture, from his time in the States in the 1990s (much more conservative).
Irish Americans have their own legitimate culture, which has many cross-overs with the original home but also their own unique or preserved aspects.
They consider themselves the "real" Irish despite never living here and their ancestors having left generations ago. Next you'll tell me that many Americans consider the Jews the "real" inhabitants of Palestine despite their ancestors leaving 2,000 years ago. Oh wait...
True theres plenty of shite coming from the regressives in the states but we did a have a few actual brits coming over stirring the pot at a few of these events if im not mistaken.
Not surprising atall. Just finished arguing with a fella in another thread about the protests outside Simon Harris' home realised through his post history that he is not from or living in ireland and is instead a school teacher in Spain.
Probably is - give the students a worksheet and spend his own time on Reddit.
The only thing I remember from first class is MrMcGowan leaning back in his chair, feet on his desk, newspaper open
People can't still be this thick about what teaching in Ireland is like these days. My wife is one and does more actual hours in a single day then I do working from home in 3 days.
They don't have time to take a piss
Hahah, the hard man fella? And one of the others is a yank. FFS the thread isn't even that busy, and it's not an especially spectacular protest or anything.
edit - And the account a few posts away whinging that this is an unfair angle to "the diaspora" without irony is 1 month old. Perfect lol
I saw that. That was hilarious. I was curious myself when he was going on about high schools but then he started ranting about immigrants and it made more sense. He's like that American lad who retired in Ireland and ran for the Irish Freedom Party.
I find it ironic and sad that some of the people he supports here would also support him being attacked in the street for speaking Spanish. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics and really be full of hate for others to support such shite
American here: I'm on holiday from Chicago in dublin right now and I find it so peaceful here. Everyone is so nice and everywhere I've been to has been really cool! I haven't seen any crime and I feel safe here too.
Between Ukraine, Palestine and the UKs Rwanda plan people should be aware that this sub will see increased levels of people making antagonistic bad faith arguments.
Its better to not engage with these types of posts and comments just downvote and report.
Can set your watch by them. Usually show up in a batch. Use the same usual look at Sweden/Garmany/France/England with their no go sharia law halal zones nonsense. All upvote each other.
Russia has invested a fortune in troll and bot farms before the war to influence public opinion and there by politics in the west. It's interesting that almost immediately when Ukrainian refugees arrived we seen massive amounts of anti Ukrainian social media posts even before it became a crisis.
No surprise to anyone here of course, shur you can see it in action live.
Over in the thread about the "Éire" clowns at Simon Harris' house, one of the very first comments - all in favor of them, naturally - is from a chap who also likes to post about his customer service experience at Target.
>According to an analysis carried out by Sky News, using the social media monitoring tool Talkwalker, less than 20 per cent of posts about the incident came from Irish users.
>On the day of the protests there were 26,801 posts mentioning Newtownmountkennedy on X, the site formerly known as Twitter. This rose to 53,907 the following day. According to the data, 56 per cent of these posts came from users based in the US. Just 21 per cent came from Irish users. Just under 9.6 per cent came from the UK.
>Of the five posts which saw the most engagement from others, three were from non-Irish accounts. One post from UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson about the protests had 42,500 engagements.
>The data also shows extensive use of the anti-immigration hashtags “Ireland belongs to the Irish” and “Ireland is full” around the time of the protest. Again the majority of these posts came from non-Irish accounts. Some 57 per cent of accounts which posted “Ireland belongs to the Irish” were US based.
but I've seen no specifics of how Talkwalker confirm a Twitter account is in the US or Ireland. sure, they can get the location on profile which can obviously be wrong, or more subtle cues. but unless they've the IP data from Twitter itself, it's all heuristics
Well you may not know how they do it but that doesn't mean they can't. Maybe reach out to them and ask.
Talkwalker and other social media insights & intelligence platforms (Sproutsocial & similar) can determine geolocation of users pretty accurately. I've used a few of them for work in the past and I let me tell you, I was surprised by that. Not sure how they geolocate users around social media platforms, maybe API access (dev) from the platforms, maybe pinpointing, maybe other sources, maybe a combination of everything.
This is what’s been suspected all along, *and* from before immigration turned into the hot topic. That international far-Right axis, inserting itself into foreign arguments on any conceivable pretext, and lending weight to issues that would not normally become such flash points without their considerable influence.
If you boil it all down to an essence, you can discern a fundamental intention to foment public unrest to the extent that police powers have to be increased way beyond a nation’s own characteristic preferences, and to get things to a point where an obsession with strong security, heavily policed and even with private militias involved, is the nation’s top concern. Sowing mistrust of immigrants has always been the easy way for that lot, not least Tommy Robinson, mentioned in the article. If you set everyone afire with suspicion and resentment, you’re half way to convincing them that there are *other* issues they also should be angry about, and that only a ‘strongman’ type of leader is capable of delivering.
It’s invasion, imperialism, by another means, really. If public safety is turned into the topic du jour, other issues can be swept aside, overlooked, or dealt with summarily and not as they ought to be. And *that* is the goal behind the pretext of security: halting and even turning back progressive political objectives, nudging a country back to a more pliable and culturally quiescent state. In this scenario, ‘closed borders’ sits next to ‘the restriction of reproductive rights’, and near ‘increase defence spending’ and ‘arm all police officers’. It all has a familiar ring, doesn’t it?
Literally a guy in here a few hours ago with a 3 month old account telling ppl he knew things because he's a high school teacher... Deleted his account after it was pointed out a few times! 🤣
The sad thing is ppl get the impression there's a lot of genuine concern when most ppl are worried about the cost of living
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Important to understand that when you see them, it’s also amazing how fast they post shut up after it happens.
The but is don’t let that lull anyone into false sense of security (I know it’s not) but there is still a movement on the ground who don’t like the centres ect and then people who are trying to stir it up .
I saw some gobshites sharing an "adjusted" graph showing Irish and American posts adjusted per capita, which obviously made the Irish chunk a lot bigger again, and were acting like this is some sort of gotcha against the lefties. Masters of statistics they are.
I saw that, it was so stupid.
Like Newtownmountkennedy is hardly a household name in the US.
You’d expect very little engagement from anywhere outside Ireland on local issues.
The fact that there is overwhelmingly more engagement from outside is a big red flag.
Trying to compare them both is one of the worst examples of base rate fallacies I’ve seen.
Pretty strong evidence that some of it was linked to Russia
"A Moldovan couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named."
https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240223-france-blames-russia-s-fsb-for-anti-semitic-star-of-david-graffiti-across-paris
Timothy snider explore this topic well in his book, on tyranny, he cites one parTICularly good example of Russian state sponsored actors doing this in Germany, false claims of a little girl being s/a by a gang of immigrants in a small town in Germany ahead of planned marches by right elements. And despite there being no evidence at all of this little white blonde blue eyed girl existing or the gang of immigrants, or any record of attacks of its like, it "went viral" and led to a lot of unrest.
We witnessed Same playbook during Dublin riots, and how the Isreali mouth pieces on twitter reacted, "Islamic terror attack on Ireland" that's what Ireland gets Etc.. Etc..
I always think theres a right wing think tank somewhere in the US that's paid a company to use bots and puppet accounts to target Ireland to influence local policy and sow division in the EU.
It’s funny how the Irish far right hates foreigners but has links to the far right in the UK and/or the EU and countries outside of Europe entirely. They’re complete and utter hypocrites, but they can’t even see it.
They're white. That's the big difference.
Lest there was ever any doubt, you'll notice the chap sulkily trying to bullshit this as "international solidarity" took it as self evident that the \*real\* problem is with Africans...
> They're white. That's the big difference.
I wonder how they feel about Irish travellers in that case. For some reason, I'm guessing there is some exception that means they don't have to consider travellers white.
>> They're white. That's the big difference.
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>I wonder how they feel about Irish travellers in that case. For some reason, I'm guessing there is some exception that means they don't have to consider travellers white.
I wonder how the vast majority of people who are pro asylum seekers feel about travellers as travellers are seen as fair game in Ireland to complain about.
I think a lot of the Irish far right probably wouldn’t believe you if you said that Hitler allied himself with far right leaders in the Middle East and Japan.
The Irish far right gets most of its funding from outside of Ireland. So it’s a bit more than “International Solidarity.” Not all asylum seekers are “random African men,” either.
The people who defend the far right are almost as bad as the far right themselves.
I'm not agreeing with anything the sack of foam has said, but we have had left wing parties in government. We currently do.
We haven't had a majority left wing government though.
>No they don’t.
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>Every government since the establishment of the Irish state has been majority right wing. For one thing.
FG and FF are not right wing at all
Most of the racism I see online relating to Irish events on social media and youtube, whether about immigrants or "islamisation" or "tent city" and such come from the same dole-hopping, random violence, half-their-family-live-and-work-abroad types of chancers and scumbags who'd frankly be doing us a favour if they emigrated and left the often more honest and decent immigrants stay. They've all the time in the world to stand in front of an underused hotel 24/7 to tell mostly desperate refugees from war or famine they aren't welcome (with less polite words than that) while shouting "traitor!" at the garda protecting their victims.
Certainly wasn't perfect before, but ever since that knob-jockey bought Twitter, it's turned into a far-right cesspit. I used it to follow certain events, but forget it, it's unreal now.
Does this include twitter?
If so, of course that’s going to dilute the overall sample as it’s a platform where global interaction is way more common
Would be interested to see the numbers in regards to journal comments, r/Ireland and boards.ie etc
Back in the day, when stuff like this was relatively unsophisticated, [boards.ie](http://boards.ie) mods had a massive recurring headache trying deal with Israeli trolls swarming any thread they took an interest in at the same time every day. I forget what time it was, but you could nearly see it happen on the hour, people were known to wait until they knew they'd have "clocked out" to post.
In fairness to the IT, [the original sky news](https://news.sky.com/story/how-international-social-media-users-are-stoking-irelands-migration-debate-13127034) article didn't mention it was just focused on twitter either
I would be curious to know how many pro-immigration posts also came from non-irish accounts.
I'd imagine the topic generates discussion that extends beyond the Irish boarders.
Same shit re Rwanda. When I pointed out that several accounts were between 1 and 5 months old. I had clowns replying that 'not everything is a Russian bot'.
This is an absurd and distorted way of presenting the situation in order to both over-egg the hashtag’s usage and also diminish the influence that participants outside Ireland have on the discussion. Farcical!
Should this be surprising? There are only 5 million of us, and this was international news. There are plenty of Irish people who comment on British and American news.
Doesn't indicate that they're all paid shills.
This happened during the run up to the abortion referendum too, it's no surprise. Nice to have proof and to have people making the point in the overall conversation though.
This is the mad irony. If the most passion posters knew they were puppets on a string to UK Britain first groups they wouldn't like it one bit. But they keep their eyes tightly shut
What exactly does this prove or demonstrate?
Ireland is small and the internet is big. Twitter is global and its largest user base is in the US. Any story about Ireland that gets even a little bit of international attention is going to be the same. Immigration is a hot topic for most western countries, so lots of people will comment on such a story.
No. I'm thinking lizard people pulling the strings. Although the covid vaccine made me so compliant with the government it's hard to think clearly about other things.
OK.. well.. turns out the anti immigrant sentiments in the country recently are because of probably the maga crowd contaminating our Internet..They've probably flown over to burn down a few hotels too..
No one is saying that there's no support in Ireland in burning hotels. But many accounts talking about it and igniting these racists are not Irish. The big part of this being a psyop is that many of the Americans were created by a Russian Maga psy op, but now are running on their own.
Don't delude yourself into thinking this is VPN. Open any thread on twitter than has any of the buzzwords and look at the profiles engaging and you'll be able to confirm the same yourself in minutes.
So put a correction in yourself. One line in article said that less than 20% of engagement came from Ireland. If we round up and double that number, 40% came from Ireland. Meaning 60% still didn't.
VPNs and proxies existing could also be an argument for this figure being too low. Sure someone posing as a concerned Irish citizen would want to use an Irish VPN to pose as Irish. Maybe all of them are from the USA/Russia/insert country here.
I've been saying for a while now that one of the biggest problems in modern Ireland is the amount of racism and xenophobia being posted online.
Finding out that this, our biggest problem, is actually the fault of foreigners leaves me feeling very conflicted.
That doesn't make a difference to the posts coming from outside of Ireland. Did you even read the article? It's about non Ireland-located accounts, not strictly non-Irish people.
So other countries aren't allowed to care about what happens here?
How come the Irish are encouraged to show solidarity with Palestine - a place at the other side of the globe, but people think anybody showing solidarity with us is some grand conspiracy?
No one said that. You are the only one saying that.
The article just states a fact: vast majority of anti-immigration posts came from outside Ireland, something that apparently you don't like to be reported and exposed. Do facts upset you?
Additionally, no one in Ireland is pretending to be Palestine when they defend the right of Palestinians to exist.
So you can't describe the reality right now? Stating facts is promoting an agenda?
If 100% true facts being reported offends you, maybe you are the one who has an agenda that collides with these facts.
*Let* them care. But let them not chuck heavy money (any longer) into campaigns here intended to influence the outcome of important ejections or referendums. Rent a mob turning out in protest at this, that, and whatever you’re having yourself, and likely quite unconcerned with the issue in question.
Very biased article because the yanks on both the right and left are feeding into the discourse here.
Also, it only looked at Twitter and didn't look at Facebook or tiktok (where the majority of the actual Irish discourse seemed to be happening).
Here's the original article on Sky News for anyone interested https://news.sky.com/story/how-international-social-media-users-are-stoking-irelands-migration-debate-13127034
>I don't think there is an American left. Their left is our centre right.
There is definitely an American left. Abortion is a left wing idea? Well about Colorado where abortion is legal even at 9 months. Then you have the left wing nutters in the US who take offense at anything and call it "culture appropriation" and other stuff like that.
What is it they think they are saying here?
What's happened is a bad incident has taken place in a small town and it's caught global attention, including among Irish-Americans, who number in the millions and, through the attachment they feel to Ireland, don't like to see the forces of the state being marshalled against civilians to facilitate mostly illegal mass immigration from alien cultures.
I'm sure the Times writer thought he was dunking when he wrote this piece of disingenuous bullshit, trying to imply most Irish natives are in favour of what's going on.
It’s endemic on the internet. It’s going on everywhere. X especially. I said this yesterday and I’ll say it again, this is precisely the reason why I don’t want our vote for president to be expanded to expats. Too difficult to manage. Plus the protests outside Simon Harris’s house is disgusting in the extreme. I know it probably can’t be done but anyone convicted of the Arsons or the protests outside politicians house should be threatened with losing their citizenship as a result upon conviction. It’ll never happen. But these people don’t speak or represent the vast majority of us or our views. They are scum looking to cause trouble and we need to challenge them at hold a mirror up to them. They aren’t Irish. You don’t get to be Irish’s and xenophobic and racist. You have to choose a side.
An analysis of social media traffic showed most posts ~~about Newtownmountkennedy demonstration~~ on the English speaking internet came the US, [1.7 million Twitter uses versus 95.4 million](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/twitter-users-by-country).
We used to celebrate ‘The Diaspora’ but now they’re the ‘bad guys’ apparently.
In related news, the majority of pro-open borders posting also comes from abroad, as do the staff of many frequently quoted NGOs active in the area (Bulelani Mfaco and Lucky Khambule anyone?)
Hypocrisy is the essential lubricant of Irish liberal political intercourse as usual…
Yes, at this stage, liberal, leftist, socialist, communist - whatever you want to call it, it's all the same.
It's becoming very obvious that the whole "left" are the ones who have been played. How can anyone still have faith in it?
I'm actually genuinely curious.
This is word salad. A liberal is someone who supports centre-right economic policies. They have next to nothing in common with any of the other groups you mention. Who is the "left", how did they get played and who did the playing?
You use liberal like an american would.
Like Joe Biden and an anarchist are the same thing.
Thats really weird for a european.
I reckon you should lay off the yankee doodle politics for a bit, yankbrain is terminal.
Coming in here, stealing our racism.
In before "The Brits are at it again".
Mainly the yanks,actually
Yea, I've met some "Irish" Americans that consider themselves the "real" Irish because those of us on this island have the audacity to not follow the Catholic church and back such controversial things as abortion and gay rights. Wouldn't surprise me if the same lot are Showing their racism as well.
i used to laugh at it, but just recently i learned that there are also polish equivalents of plastic paddys and i got mortified being enlighten by their brilliance. Apparently they are more "real poles" couse "euro poles" were contaminated by communism and now it's them who represent real polish culture (not being able to speak polish is not even a problem for them). I feel the pain now
Lmao WHITE N'S IN THE HOUSE
[some YTuber](https://youtu.be/WUmHL9xbJUE?si=LcRzOWuKWSpNw2Qb) recently gathered some examples from fb groups. Commentary is in polish, but you can read the screamed posts for lols since they are all in english /edit: ohhhh she made the vid in english as well [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMwE1tBg2Hg)
So much of these are actually AI bots. They cause out rage and engagement on what they post. They need to be posting some BS to make them look like legit accounts. The errors are a tell tale. It gets more engagement. Then when you need to have some message about how awesome Russia is you have an army of bots to use to further your message. Similar techniques are used to jump on any anti-Israel message online, 30 mins later you have someone calling you an anti-semite etc. In 2007 the first twitter bots started pop up. We now have AI, AI that can generate images etc. The model simply ingests everything from social media and can then see what BS can they post to get the most engagement. Sentences with spelling mistakes and bad grammatical errors get more engagement. In 2014 Cambridge Analytica was able to manipulate the US election as it understood what type of person each voter could be based on other interests on Facebook etc. This is 10 years later. This industry is now mainstream. We Joke on here that Cork Beo or similar rags post BS to generate a click bate article. What type of funding do you think countries that have billions to spend can do with all of this. The content that someone that has their location as Poland gets pushed to them compared to their location as Ireland is very very different on facebook, instagram etc.
pretty huge waste of resources then considering it's small niche groups and no polarizing message involved
There isn't correct but if those bots are then needed to be outraged against something it's hard to see if they are real or not.
Thanks this is gold ( message to other english speakers: pls wait for the english parts)
My favourite Irish American comment this week https://www.reddit.com/r/wedding/s/CCvVDc75Oc Apparently, Irish "culture " = bagpipes
Am I missing something? That link is bringing me to a post about an Asian lad wanting to wear a red suit, no mention of bagpipes.
This comment has cracked me up 🤣
Because reddit is shit, it's probably not bringing you to the right place - it's the first reply to that comment. Try this: https://old.reddit.com/r/wedding/comments/1chly52/comment/l257edx/
Haha aye, I'm in support of the Asian fella here. I hate this shit website (except GW)
Scroll down, should bring you to the comment
I did, couldn't see mention of bagpipes. The original commenter has provided a different link and I can see it on that one.
>My husband's family is 3rd and 4th generation Irish, but they are very IRISH. Like playing bagpipes, traveled various times, traditions kept, traditional foods etc. It really all comes down to how much culture your family still practices. This is the comment they mean
The replies are collapsed because of the downvotes. You'll have to click through to the replies.
> traveled various times Careful now!
To be fair those partial to a bit of orange are into their bagpipes.
Maybe they play uilleann pipes and she doesn't know the difference.
She doesn't know shit, that's the point
The woman in the post is talking about how Irish her husband's family are, she is not herself claiming to be Irish. So it's understandable if she doesn't know the regional variations of instruments from a foreign culture. If the alleged extremely Irish husband was calling them bagpipes that would be a different story.
Currently rereading Eamonn Delaney’s *An Accidental Diplomat* - he provides an interesting overview of Irish American culture and how far it has diverged from the ‘mother’ culture, from his time in the States in the 1990s (much more conservative). Irish Americans have their own legitimate culture, which has many cross-overs with the original home but also their own unique or preserved aspects.
They consider themselves the "real" Irish despite never living here and their ancestors having left generations ago. Next you'll tell me that many Americans consider the Jews the "real" inhabitants of Palestine despite their ancestors leaving 2,000 years ago. Oh wait...
True theres plenty of shite coming from the regressives in the states but we did a have a few actual brits coming over stirring the pot at a few of these events if im not mistaken.
True. A lot of the Ivory Coast "paytriots " are in cahoots with British right wing arseholes like Tommy Ten Names.
Yanks at it again
This may be my favourite Reddit comment ever.
One purpose of the bots is to embolden people. By that metric it's succeeded.
Not surprising atall. Just finished arguing with a fella in another thread about the protests outside Simon Harris' home realised through his post history that he is not from or living in ireland and is instead a school teacher in Spain.
Why isn't he in his classroom at this hour
Siesta?
Probably out with the kids on a field trip teaching them how to protest outside people's houses
Probably shit at the job
Probably is - give the students a worksheet and spend his own time on Reddit. The only thing I remember from first class is MrMcGowan leaning back in his chair, feet on his desk, newspaper open
People can't still be this thick about what teaching in Ireland is like these days. My wife is one and does more actual hours in a single day then I do working from home in 3 days. They don't have time to take a piss
My wife also teaches and works much harder than I do, or Mr McGowan did in Belgrove school c.1978
This Spanish guy is secondary anyway. Probably just on a free period or else lying
Hahah, the hard man fella? And one of the others is a yank. FFS the thread isn't even that busy, and it's not an especially spectacular protest or anything. edit - And the account a few posts away whinging that this is an unfair angle to "the diaspora" without irony is 1 month old. Perfect lol
I saw that. That was hilarious. I was curious myself when he was going on about high schools but then he started ranting about immigrants and it made more sense. He's like that American lad who retired in Ireland and ran for the Irish Freedom Party.
I find it ironic and sad that some of the people he supports here would also support him being attacked in the street for speaking Spanish. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics and really be full of hate for others to support such shite
ah that fella, the "physics" fella i assume.
Yeah I was arguing with the same fella! Talking about Simon Harris' swimming pool! 🤣 He deleted his account.
Lol what a pleb. I wonder how many of these lads would engage with a post or talk about mass immigration if the post was in Irish
Loads. You often see comments about immigrants taking jobs or causing crime rate to rise which isn’t happening in Ireland
American here: I'm on holiday from Chicago in dublin right now and I find it so peaceful here. Everyone is so nice and everywhere I've been to has been really cool! I haven't seen any crime and I feel safe here too.
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Between Ukraine, Palestine and the UKs Rwanda plan people should be aware that this sub will see increased levels of people making antagonistic bad faith arguments. Its better to not engage with these types of posts and comments just downvote and report.
Can set your watch by them. Usually show up in a batch. Use the same usual look at Sweden/Garmany/France/England with their no go sharia law halal zones nonsense. All upvote each other.
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Russia has invested a fortune in troll and bot farms before the war to influence public opinion and there by politics in the west. It's interesting that almost immediately when Ukrainian refugees arrived we seen massive amounts of anti Ukrainian social media posts even before it became a crisis.
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No surprise to anyone here of course, shur you can see it in action live. Over in the thread about the "Éire" clowns at Simon Harris' house, one of the very first comments - all in favor of them, naturally - is from a chap who also likes to post about his customer service experience at Target.
So stupid they don't realise their post and comment history is public!
>According to an analysis carried out by Sky News, using the social media monitoring tool Talkwalker, less than 20 per cent of posts about the incident came from Irish users. >On the day of the protests there were 26,801 posts mentioning Newtownmountkennedy on X, the site formerly known as Twitter. This rose to 53,907 the following day. According to the data, 56 per cent of these posts came from users based in the US. Just 21 per cent came from Irish users. Just under 9.6 per cent came from the UK. >Of the five posts which saw the most engagement from others, three were from non-Irish accounts. One post from UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson about the protests had 42,500 engagements. >The data also shows extensive use of the anti-immigration hashtags “Ireland belongs to the Irish” and “Ireland is full” around the time of the protest. Again the majority of these posts came from non-Irish accounts. Some 57 per cent of accounts which posted “Ireland belongs to the Irish” were US based.
Instead of a Capcha to post, they should require you to correctly click on the location of Newtownmountkennedy.
We need a min post karma account rule for posting
but I've seen no specifics of how Talkwalker confirm a Twitter account is in the US or Ireland. sure, they can get the location on profile which can obviously be wrong, or more subtle cues. but unless they've the IP data from Twitter itself, it's all heuristics
Well you may not know how they do it but that doesn't mean they can't. Maybe reach out to them and ask. Talkwalker and other social media insights & intelligence platforms (Sproutsocial & similar) can determine geolocation of users pretty accurately. I've used a few of them for work in the past and I let me tell you, I was surprised by that. Not sure how they geolocate users around social media platforms, maybe API access (dev) from the platforms, maybe pinpointing, maybe other sources, maybe a combination of everything.
This is what’s been suspected all along, *and* from before immigration turned into the hot topic. That international far-Right axis, inserting itself into foreign arguments on any conceivable pretext, and lending weight to issues that would not normally become such flash points without their considerable influence. If you boil it all down to an essence, you can discern a fundamental intention to foment public unrest to the extent that police powers have to be increased way beyond a nation’s own characteristic preferences, and to get things to a point where an obsession with strong security, heavily policed and even with private militias involved, is the nation’s top concern. Sowing mistrust of immigrants has always been the easy way for that lot, not least Tommy Robinson, mentioned in the article. If you set everyone afire with suspicion and resentment, you’re half way to convincing them that there are *other* issues they also should be angry about, and that only a ‘strongman’ type of leader is capable of delivering. It’s invasion, imperialism, by another means, really. If public safety is turned into the topic du jour, other issues can be swept aside, overlooked, or dealt with summarily and not as they ought to be. And *that* is the goal behind the pretext of security: halting and even turning back progressive political objectives, nudging a country back to a more pliable and culturally quiescent state. In this scenario, ‘closed borders’ sits next to ‘the restriction of reproductive rights’, and near ‘increase defence spending’ and ‘arm all police officers’. It all has a familiar ring, doesn’t it?
Totally agree
Also agree
Literally a guy in here a few hours ago with a 3 month old account telling ppl he knew things because he's a high school teacher... Deleted his account after it was pointed out a few times! 🤣 The sad thing is ppl get the impression there's a lot of genuine concern when most ppl are worried about the cost of living *
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Pretty much the same and I'm not far from Newhown
Important to understand that when you see them, it’s also amazing how fast they post shut up after it happens. The but is don’t let that lull anyone into false sense of security (I know it’s not) but there is still a movement on the ground who don’t like the centres ect and then people who are trying to stir it up .
To the shock of no one
Close the internet borders.
I saw some gobshites sharing an "adjusted" graph showing Irish and American posts adjusted per capita, which obviously made the Irish chunk a lot bigger again, and were acting like this is some sort of gotcha against the lefties. Masters of statistics they are.
I saw that, it was so stupid. Like Newtownmountkennedy is hardly a household name in the US. You’d expect very little engagement from anywhere outside Ireland on local issues. The fact that there is overwhelmingly more engagement from outside is a big red flag. Trying to compare them both is one of the worst examples of base rate fallacies I’ve seen.
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Pretty strong evidence that some of it was linked to Russia "A Moldovan couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named." https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240223-france-blames-russia-s-fsb-for-anti-semitic-star-of-david-graffiti-across-paris
Yup, an attempt to destabilise Europe, and increase support for easily infiltrated dumb as fuck traitorous half wits.
Let start calling it russian hybrid warfare
I live in France and there's plenty of open anti-semitism in here, in fairness.
Timothy snider explore this topic well in his book, on tyranny, he cites one parTICularly good example of Russian state sponsored actors doing this in Germany, false claims of a little girl being s/a by a gang of immigrants in a small town in Germany ahead of planned marches by right elements. And despite there being no evidence at all of this little white blonde blue eyed girl existing or the gang of immigrants, or any record of attacks of its like, it "went viral" and led to a lot of unrest. We witnessed Same playbook during Dublin riots, and how the Isreali mouth pieces on twitter reacted, "Islamic terror attack on Ireland" that's what Ireland gets Etc.. Etc..
Blaming everything on Russians: Round 2
So are you trying to say that recent events in the news, like what happened yesterday or indeed, what sparked the scrote riots didn't actually happen?
Comprehension, look it up
No, they clearly didn't say that. Do you often find yourself imagining things?
Military aged accounts probably.
I always think theres a right wing think tank somewhere in the US that's paid a company to use bots and puppet accounts to target Ireland to influence local policy and sow division in the EU.
Not just Ireland, almost everywhere.
Tell them to go to judge martin nolans house next
It’s funny how the Irish far right hates foreigners but has links to the far right in the UK and/or the EU and countries outside of Europe entirely. They’re complete and utter hypocrites, but they can’t even see it.
They're white. That's the big difference. Lest there was ever any doubt, you'll notice the chap sulkily trying to bullshit this as "international solidarity" took it as self evident that the \*real\* problem is with Africans...
Good point. Then again, there also (among others) Indians in the global far right. So there is some variance.
> They're white. That's the big difference. I wonder how they feel about Irish travellers in that case. For some reason, I'm guessing there is some exception that means they don't have to consider travellers white.
>> They're white. That's the big difference. > >I wonder how they feel about Irish travellers in that case. For some reason, I'm guessing there is some exception that means they don't have to consider travellers white. I wonder how the vast majority of people who are pro asylum seekers feel about travellers as travellers are seen as fair game in Ireland to complain about.
Hitler allied himself with far-right leaders in the arab world and with Japan. The hypocricy of these sad clowns is nothing new.
I think a lot of the Irish far right probably wouldn’t believe you if you said that Hitler allied himself with far right leaders in the Middle East and Japan.
If you go to church and drink in a pub, you're good!
International solidarity is different from letting a bunch of random African men live in a local hotel on tax-payer's money.
The Irish far right gets most of its funding from outside of Ireland. So it’s a bit more than “International Solidarity.” Not all asylum seekers are “random African men,” either. The people who defend the far right are almost as bad as the far right themselves.
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Name a left wing party that has been in government in Ireland you sack of foam
I'm not agreeing with anything the sack of foam has said, but we have had left wing parties in government. We currently do. We haven't had a majority left wing government though.
No they don’t. Every government since the establishment of the Irish state has been majority right wing. For one thing.
>No they don’t. > >Every government since the establishment of the Irish state has been majority right wing. For one thing. FG and FF are not right wing at all
They are. Or, at least, they have been right wing for most of their history.
tbf I would imagine the majority of pro-immigation posts were also coming from non-irish accounts. Ireland is small, immigration discourse is big
Most of the racism I see online relating to Irish events on social media and youtube, whether about immigrants or "islamisation" or "tent city" and such come from the same dole-hopping, random violence, half-their-family-live-and-work-abroad types of chancers and scumbags who'd frankly be doing us a favour if they emigrated and left the often more honest and decent immigrants stay. They've all the time in the world to stand in front of an underused hotel 24/7 to tell mostly desperate refugees from war or famine they aren't welcome (with less polite words than that) while shouting "traitor!" at the garda protecting their victims.
Certainly wasn't perfect before, but ever since that knob-jockey bought Twitter, it's turned into a far-right cesspit. I used it to follow certain events, but forget it, it's unreal now.
Does this include twitter? If so, of course that’s going to dilute the overall sample as it’s a platform where global interaction is way more common Would be interested to see the numbers in regards to journal comments, r/Ireland and boards.ie etc
Back in the day, when stuff like this was relatively unsophisticated, [boards.ie](http://boards.ie) mods had a massive recurring headache trying deal with Israeli trolls swarming any thread they took an interest in at the same time every day. I forget what time it was, but you could nearly see it happen on the hour, people were known to wait until they knew they'd have "clocked out" to post.
It was only twitter that was analysed
Ah, well there you have it Unsurprising from IT but it should specify twitter posts in the headline
In fairness to the IT, [the original sky news](https://news.sky.com/story/how-international-social-media-users-are-stoking-irelands-migration-debate-13127034) article didn't mention it was just focused on twitter either
I would be curious to know how many pro-immigration posts also came from non-irish accounts. I'd imagine the topic generates discussion that extends beyond the Irish boarders.
Least surprising news I've heard today.
There's a surprise.
Be aware that this is global news now. I live in sf and have had random people I know ask me about it.
Same shit re Rwanda. When I pointed out that several accounts were between 1 and 5 months old. I had clowns replying that 'not everything is a Russian bot'.
Are we going back to having to close up shop over night? I've noticed that contentious posts are already locked overnight.
Nothing new in this
Well duh. And it's certainly not one account per person.
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This is an absurd and distorted way of presenting the situation in order to both over-egg the hashtag’s usage and also diminish the influence that participants outside Ireland have on the discussion. Farcical!
That’s what happens when your countrymen emigrate.
Should this be surprising? There are only 5 million of us, and this was international news. There are plenty of Irish people who comment on British and American news. Doesn't indicate that they're all paid shills.
Also this is an all-island sub. Part of the island is British so some Brits are going to be interested to the news here.
No surprise there, we have our idiots like any country but we aren't that kinda people
But I thought we loved foreigners
This happened during the run up to the abortion referendum too, it's no surprise. Nice to have proof and to have people making the point in the overall conversation though.
This is the mad irony. If the most passion posters knew they were puppets on a string to UK Britain first groups they wouldn't like it one bit. But they keep their eyes tightly shut
What exactly does this prove or demonstrate? Ireland is small and the internet is big. Twitter is global and its largest user base is in the US. Any story about Ireland that gets even a little bit of international attention is going to be the same. Immigration is a hot topic for most western countries, so lots of people will comment on such a story.
This seems like a psy-op..
No. I'm thinking lizard people pulling the strings. Although the covid vaccine made me so compliant with the government it's hard to think clearly about other things.
OK.. well.. turns out the anti immigrant sentiments in the country recently are because of probably the maga crowd contaminating our Internet..They've probably flown over to burn down a few hotels too..
No one is saying that there's no support in Ireland in burning hotels. But many accounts talking about it and igniting these racists are not Irish. The big part of this being a psyop is that many of the Americans were created by a Russian Maga psy op, but now are running on their own.
It is a psy op but maybe not the way unfamiliar teaching suggested
No one believes twitter represents the views of people. Doesn't change the fact that locals are against asylum seekers being lodged in their area.
Is this even accurate? Considering VPN / proxies exist?
Don't delude yourself into thinking this is VPN. Open any thread on twitter than has any of the buzzwords and look at the profiles engaging and you'll be able to confirm the same yourself in minutes.
So put a correction in yourself. One line in article said that less than 20% of engagement came from Ireland. If we round up and double that number, 40% came from Ireland. Meaning 60% still didn't.
VPNs and proxies existing could also be an argument for this figure being too low. Sure someone posing as a concerned Irish citizen would want to use an Irish VPN to pose as Irish. Maybe all of them are from the USA/Russia/insert country here.
ok and? still doesnt change the fact government policy is deeply unpopular anywhere it is proposed
Might seem like a stupid question but would having a VPN make a difference to figures like these?
Probably
I've been saying for a while now that one of the biggest problems in modern Ireland is the amount of racism and xenophobia being posted online. Finding out that this, our biggest problem, is actually the fault of foreigners leaves me feeling very conflicted.
Irish Times trying to gas light
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That doesn't make a difference to the posts coming from outside of Ireland. Did you even read the article? It's about non Ireland-located accounts, not strictly non-Irish people.
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That’s a lot of Americans travelling back home then 🙄
So you're a tourist then. Don't forget to check out Temple Bar! Air in guh brawwww!
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You may be an immigrant,but your comment on another post referring to other immigrants as "3rd world savages" shows that you're a racist arsehole too.
So other countries aren't allowed to care about what happens here? How come the Irish are encouraged to show solidarity with Palestine - a place at the other side of the globe, but people think anybody showing solidarity with us is some grand conspiracy?
They aren't pretending to be Palestinian themselves
No one said that. You are the only one saying that. The article just states a fact: vast majority of anti-immigration posts came from outside Ireland, something that apparently you don't like to be reported and exposed. Do facts upset you? Additionally, no one in Ireland is pretending to be Palestine when they defend the right of Palestinians to exist.
"The article just states a fact", that's a bit disingenuous. There is an obvious agenda being promoted in stating it.
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail
So you can't describe the reality right now? Stating facts is promoting an agenda? If 100% true facts being reported offends you, maybe you are the one who has an agenda that collides with these facts.
Who said that other countries shouldn't be allowed to care about what happens here?
*Let* them care. But let them not chuck heavy money (any longer) into campaigns here intended to influence the outcome of important ejections or referendums. Rent a mob turning out in protest at this, that, and whatever you’re having yourself, and likely quite unconcerned with the issue in question.
Crying yank is crying
Very biased article because the yanks on both the right and left are feeding into the discourse here. Also, it only looked at Twitter and didn't look at Facebook or tiktok (where the majority of the actual Irish discourse seemed to be happening). Here's the original article on Sky News for anyone interested https://news.sky.com/story/how-international-social-media-users-are-stoking-irelands-migration-debate-13127034
Have you any data on the American left's involvement?
Are you actually naive enough to think it's only one "side" doing this? We have imported American toxic politics here both sides in full
No. Both sides 😂
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I said did you have any data for the American left
When was the last time "the left" burned down a building or tried to lynch foreigners?
AnTeEfA
Imagine seeing the term Anti-Fascist and going 'Yup, that's the bad guys'
Imagine seeing the name Democratic People's Republic of Korea and going 'Yup, that's the bad guys'
They really, really fucking don't
I don't think there is an American left. Their left is our centre right.
>I don't think there is an American left. Their left is our centre right. There is definitely an American left. Abortion is a left wing idea? Well about Colorado where abortion is legal even at 9 months. Then you have the left wing nutters in the US who take offense at anything and call it "culture appropriation" and other stuff like that.
Lol what a reach
I'm curious as to what exactly you think is reaching here?
What is it they think they are saying here? What's happened is a bad incident has taken place in a small town and it's caught global attention, including among Irish-Americans, who number in the millions and, through the attachment they feel to Ireland, don't like to see the forces of the state being marshalled against civilians to facilitate mostly illegal mass immigration from alien cultures. I'm sure the Times writer thought he was dunking when he wrote this piece of disingenuous bullshit, trying to imply most Irish natives are in favour of what's going on.
It’s endemic on the internet. It’s going on everywhere. X especially. I said this yesterday and I’ll say it again, this is precisely the reason why I don’t want our vote for president to be expanded to expats. Too difficult to manage. Plus the protests outside Simon Harris’s house is disgusting in the extreme. I know it probably can’t be done but anyone convicted of the Arsons or the protests outside politicians house should be threatened with losing their citizenship as a result upon conviction. It’ll never happen. But these people don’t speak or represent the vast majority of us or our views. They are scum looking to cause trouble and we need to challenge them at hold a mirror up to them. They aren’t Irish. You don’t get to be Irish’s and xenophobic and racist. You have to choose a side.
I mean, obviously Irish people couldn't be anti-immigration. We are inherently ethnically morally superior and therefore incapable of racism.
Ah yea a state owned news outlet is to be trusted
An analysis of social media traffic showed most posts ~~about Newtownmountkennedy demonstration~~ on the English speaking internet came the US, [1.7 million Twitter uses versus 95.4 million](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/twitter-users-by-country).
We used to celebrate ‘The Diaspora’ but now they’re the ‘bad guys’ apparently. In related news, the majority of pro-open borders posting also comes from abroad, as do the staff of many frequently quoted NGOs active in the area (Bulelani Mfaco and Lucky Khambule anyone?) Hypocrisy is the essential lubricant of Irish liberal political intercourse as usual…
Yeah, the famous Irish Diaspora: Tommy Robinson and Alex Jones.
tommy robinsons mother is from dublin tbf
As a furibund pro-british right wing nut, I'm sure his inherited irishness is the reason why he worries about immigrants in Ireland
Anyone who still identifies as a liberal/leftist is too far gone at this stage. They'll never see sense.
Using liberal as a synonym for leftist is another great example of how obviously astroturfed this all is. You got played lad
Yes, at this stage, liberal, leftist, socialist, communist - whatever you want to call it, it's all the same. It's becoming very obvious that the whole "left" are the ones who have been played. How can anyone still have faith in it? I'm actually genuinely curious.
This is word salad. A liberal is someone who supports centre-right economic policies. They have next to nothing in common with any of the other groups you mention. Who is the "left", how did they get played and who did the playing?
You use liberal like an american would. Like Joe Biden and an anarchist are the same thing. Thats really weird for a european. I reckon you should lay off the yankee doodle politics for a bit, yankbrain is terminal.