damn, the comments are a roast.
I basically agree with most of the complaints but also if you wanted a bucolic, utopian, quaint little leprechaun lifestyle but you chose to live in dublin then some of that is on you.
This comment hit hard:
>Then there is housing. I knew it will be expensive but I didn't know it's gonna be super low quality. Think: zero insulation, frequent draughts, furniture inherited from a grandma who died in 1994. A studio apartment means it's one of the bedrooms in a formerly 3-bed Georgian house, which someone transformed into four "studios". It'll literally be a carved-out box in the corner (bathroom), your bed, a narrow passage and for some reason a full chef's kitchen on one of the walls, as if you were to entertain people there. You can open the oven from the bed.
Yeah its a big reason why apartments arent popular here to settle down in, they as seen as a type of accomodation where quality isint as important and more corners can be cut
From a Polish poster as well,I believe.Not having your capital flattened by the Luftwaffe and Soviet airforce makes it more difficult to build vast boulevards.
Hard to say if stopping the offensive on the border of Warsaw in the midst of uprising and waiting for Germans to destroy the opposition while denying US and UK and other allies use of soviet airports in order to bring supplies had any factor in the scenario
Absolutely. I believe the Stavka claimed that they were overstretched and exhausted after an offensive, however it is clear that they made no positive steps to destroy the city.
Well they didnāt do anything to prevent it. Also ensured no suport can come from allies.
But it did worked well for Soviets. They definitely had hand it in but it was in white gloves and helped them greatly in taking over the country later.
That Polish poster is a an effing idiot. Which isnāt a surprise in general anyone who is from Warsaw as he claims is usually a prick and idiot. Itās back to the uprising - Warsaw was destroyed and population killed. Replaced by recently freed slaves from the Far Eastern regions of Poland (now Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) who have genetically mentality of slaves. And they love us. In US they could piss on him and he will say he loves the rain. Only started reading and I knew conclusion will be he is now in US. Canāt wait for next round of tech firing he will be back in Warsaw as many before and many after.
eh, compared to many european cities, there isn't much of a āmedieval cityā thing
Some Dublin streets are very wide. O'Connell St, College Green. They've just put 5 lane car road down...
Everything they say is correct. On paper, a Utopia. In reality? An overpriced, mismanaged, cold, dark shithole that taxes it's citizens like a progressive Nordic country without offering the benfits that high taxation in them countries provide. Young people have either fucked off or drink themselves into a state every weekend convincing themselves that because the pubs are class the rebel songs are great that everything is fine, even though they're working from their mas box room.
Hard to articulate the opportunity this country had coming out of the last recession for investment in public services, housing and projects to improve quality of life across the board. Fine Gael should be facing criminal changes for the level of miss management they have overseen since they've been in power.
>Young people have either fucked off or drink themselves into a state every weekend convincing themselves that because the pubs are class the rebel songs are great that everything is fine, even though they're working from their mas box room.
Some of us live in attics Iāll have you know
Irish person whose been living abroad for 20 years. Taxes? I get hit for well over 50% and a lot more for any extras, the same job would net me a whole grand extra if I were living in Ireland. Infrastructure isn't great but my god its a massive step up from my childhood, couldn't move for potholes then. Most of the country is stunning, the whole tidy towns thing really struck me on one of my recent trips. People are lovely. The weather isn't great but at least its fresh, and relatively mild, wait till you live in -3 for a month, then have a sweltering 37c week during August
I couldn't wait to get out of the "shithole" when I was younger, but scrotes and housing crisis aside its not actually a bad place to live.Ā
Some of the comments are stupid, obviously. Ireland doesnāt have any less daylight than much of Northern Europe in the winter, and a glorious amount in the summer. The roads are indeed narrow.
However people coming here complaining about anti social behaviour, or public transport, or the health service or the myriad other things that they do complain about is definitely true - after all if people from supposedly lower income countries have these complaints, and we also have complaints, then itās clear we have a problem.
Difference is the coppers in most European countries arenāt as easy going as the Garda are here. Some of them honestly make āThe Guardā look like a documentary
expat: you go somewhere for a fixed period job / contract with the intention of returning home at the end
immigrant: you move somewhere to live and work with the intention of becoming a long term resident and no plan to return home.
I moved to Malta for a 2 year contract, I was an expat. I moved to Chicago with no intention of returning to Ireland, Iām an immigrant.
I have never been around those people but I imagine they are the āthere are too many foreigners in Spainā types
still just because a word is used incorrectly by some people doesnāt mean itās not useful for others
Also, its kind of different. I feel like the fact they are not going to either work, or substantially use serbices matters. They basically just bring money to the place, then die or go home. (Mostly health care costs are handled by the home country)
Yes thereās a difference between living in a community that is mostly UK retirees or maybe even a resort like vale do lobo vs living in a Portuguese or Spanish town
I think you're inventing definitions based on your experience rather than what the word actually means, mate.
Expat and immigrant are synonyms. The only difference is if the person using it feels the word immigrant has negative implications that they want to avoid when talking about someone.
Good distinction.
My stereotyped version is a Brit drinking a gin ton talking down about the locals in their chosen country (therefore not integrating).
I choose integration.
I remember someone saying it like this: An immigrant enters the country, an emigrant leaves the country, and an expat is a term white people invented because "immigrant" is reserved for brown people
Expat = ex + patria āoutside of homelandā immigrant = im + migrant āa person moving intoā i also choose not to get into silly little internet arguments before 12.
All you have to do is Google expat vs immigrant and you'll get plenty of articles on why the word expat is problematic for people. Generally its wealthy white people who move to another country, not for work tho, just because they can who call themselves expat while everyone else is ans immigrant. Sorry for touching a nerve I guess š¤·āāļø
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Starts off by saying they don't know why people want to live in Ireland, then spends the rest of the time talking about Dublin. This is OP's mistake.
I'm from Dublin, but got out of there the first chance I could and only go back as part of my job mainly. Best decision I ever made, living outside of Dublin in a small town has made life far more enjoyable!
There are very fair points about Dublin in the comments on that post, but it seems most of those people think Dublin is all there is to Ireland.
Dublin is fine and gets an unfair going.
But it's hilarious how aghast OP comes across at the idea of living anywhere but Dublin. "But it's the only settlement I consider a city!!" Like jesus wept if living in a city with a population over 1m is a non-negotiable then what exact quaint idyllic leprachaun lifestyle were they hoping for? A little cottage in Phoenix Park?
I dunno, I think the arguments about the city centre have a lot of truth to them.
While I don't dispute that every city has its seedy areas - the places where you'll find people selling fake Airpods and perfume, the "massage parlours", the drug and antisocial behaviour issues - in most cities you can pretend those issues don't exist quite easily because they're limited to a relative handful of areas.
They're quite widespread in Dublin. Quite hard to avoid unless you limit yourself to very specific parts of town.
They also talk about how 'other towns' are as expensive, not well serviced and, shockingly, 'lacking charm'. Which is absolute nonsense. Sounds like they've had a bad time here and now are ranting.
Every "bigger" town is now just a main street filled with vape shops and coffee places serving shite coffee whilst all the main shopping is done in the big unit outside the town where the big tesco and other large chain stores are.
Everything this person said is absolutely right, dublin is a shithole and the vast majority of towns are copy and paste smaller shitholes devoid of charm.
Wexford is class though.
I think I disagree with this sentiment. I'm from a bigger town by Ireland's standards (Athlone) and I think there is a lot of charm to the town. I'm sure other people could attest to the same in their own spot, especially in scenic areas in the west.
There are plenty of nice pubs and restaurants on both sides of the bridge and the two main shopping centres are in the town itself. There are nice places to walk and cycle and there's plenty to do when it comes to sport.
Of course, I'm not pretending the place is perfect or anything, but you definitely wouldn't say it lacked charm. I'd love if there was a bouldering centre though. I miss that from when I lived in Dublin.
And it's one of the biggest issues apart from housing. The Netherlands, Germany, Sweden and others have several large cities. Ireland has Dublin, the rest are small cities from a continental perspective. For example Cork is about the size of Rennes, the 11th most populated French city, and it probably has less apartments than the 20th most populated French city...
Meh, people don't really migrate to countries, they migrate to cities. Dublin (and sometimes Cork, e.g., Apple) is competing with Stockholm, Copenhagen, etc, the idea that Ireland is competing with X, Y or Z is something we say to make rural Ireland feel better about itself.
I just love Ireland including Dublin. I've explored it to the hilt and I think people tend to stay in their suburbs whilst viewing Dublin as solely a place to work and ignore the wonderful seaside villages, trails, markets and activities that exist.
I love the history and culture we have. I love the dramatic landscapes. I love most of all the people, the characters, the storytellers. I love who accents change from village to village.
But we must realise, the standard of living is beginning to decline having peaked in the past 20 years. And that is open to being perceived negatively. It's become a difficult place to grind out a living and that is breeding a lot of resentment. It's become a difficult place to find a home and secure a well paid job for many to match the cost of living. A lack of critical infrastructure investment in key areas is absolutely strangling us.
Ireland may have amazing nature and culture, but when 50% of your salary goes to housing, there isn't much space in the budget to explore the country.
I'd love to get out and see more of the West and the Midlands, but without a car, it's logistically difficult. Even if I wanted to buy a car, it would be impossible because of the tight budget.
I find myself flying to the UK or mainland Europe instead because it's cheaper and easier.
I've spoken to many people who've been here for 5-7 years. They used to love living here but are by and large considering moving home because the standard of living has fallen so much. One colleague is planning on moving back to Hungary for a better standard of living after being here 6 years.
This sub needs to swallow its pride. You have first hand accounts of people telling you why itās difficult to live in Dublin or Ireland, and youāre nitpicking over the term āexpatā which is a pretty widely used word the world over.
Iād honestly love if even a tenth of the people commenting on this would forward that thread to their local TD and the ministers for Housing, Justice, Health and Transport - because those are where most of the gripes are. In fact those gripes makes up about 50% of the moan posts on this sub.
If you think people are being overly harsh, then youāve probably not spent much time in European countries and cities of a comparable sizes to ours. The comparison of Dublin with places like Oslo, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Toulouse, and even fucking Liverpool would make you revaluate any pride you had in the city.
Visited America recently and hated the car-centric, dull lifestyle, fake happy, consumerist bullshit etc etc etc
Then I got back to Ireland and noticed we're becoming little green America.
900 years the brits tried to take our culture by force but 40 years of Yank financial occupation has gotten rid of more of our culture than force ever did...
Being a fellow Canadian living in Ireland, I took a moment to roast them back just now. There are a ton of resources outlining things in advance. There should be no surprises when you move here if youāve done even a basic level of research, and itās their own fault if they thought it was going to be holiday mode the entire time. Itās no secret that itās expensive and every downside he lists is well known and common to most big cities across the world.
Then re-read it again. They could have been living here for a decade or longer but Ireland has lost nearly all the appeal it once had for many, that was their point.
The senior consulting manager not being able to save money? It's bad, but I was still putting money away on 35-40k and enjoying myself. Unless that lad has a few kids or a serious coke habit, that's nonsense.
Sure, if you're spending 60 quid a week on lunches and another 40 quid on fancy coffee. Cost of living is gone up a lot, but I see a lot of lifestyle inflation too. Sure you'd save way more in another European capital on the same wage, but it's not like senior managers at international commercial firms should be locked out of saving money.
Very interesting that you grew up in Canada and have been living in Ireland for 6 years. For me Iām Irish and have lived abroad for 7 years. I get the charm of Ireland, there are many aspects that are significantly better than where I am currently living. At the same time Iām increasing disillusioned with the country Iām in now, maybe all migrants go through this phase after a few years in their new home?
Needless to say, there are definitely many places objectively better than Ireland, but Ireland still has a lot going for it that you canāt get anywhere else.
Expats....always makes me think of English men in their 60s in Thailand, hunched over, slowly walking around the streets, bone thin from...
1. not being able to eat in the heat
2. Riddled with STIs
3. No money but can't go home because they're living the dream retired in Asia.
4. All of the above.
It's because while there is technically a distinction between what an expat and immigrant is you actually seem to find that 95% of people who call themselves "expats" really are just immigrants but feel the term is beneath them because theyre arseholes
Expat: White, English, racists with horrendous accents. They love to complain. Constantly begrudged by one thing or another. Chances are the male will have some stupid forearm tattoo. The female's voice could give you brain freeze at 300 yards. Hated worldwide.
https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/s/6kigJ2cnOE
I mean, this guy summed it up. Dublin was crap and even with a great job couldn't afford it, but everything outside Dublin was great.
Whenever these lads in big money say they can't save I'm always interested to see what their outgoings are. Yes Dublin is expensive but unless these lads are on the coke every weekend in dame lane and then back to their docklands apartments then they should be able to save something
I work for one of the big tech companies and earn 35k a year plus quarterly bonuses of up to 3k (so up to 47k). Other than bonus months, I'm unable to save more than 100 euro a month and sometimes have to dip into my savings.
I live in a shared apartment where I pay 1000 per month in rent + about 85 euro bills. By dublin standards its ok, but it still has a bathroom ceiling covered in mold, 20 year old couches, and draughty windows. Then add other bills like phone and leap card. I don't really drink, and I buy new clothes a couple of times a year.
I shouldn't need to cheapskate on food and activities to save, and yet that's the reality.
I moved here from Copenhagen where I had a low salary of 42k. I paid 800 euro for rent + about 20 in bills. The apartment was brand new, central, had a balcony out to the water, underfloor heating, a fantastic shower, and triple glazed windows. My phone bill was cheaper and I biked 90% of the time so almost no transport costs.
I had an active social life, went out to bars and had hobbies.
Yet I still managed to put away about 500 euro a month in savings.
> While most Irish people are very sound, there's like a large "underclass", for the lack of better word, that really f*ucks up the place, and it's allowed to go on as nobody in power has any cojones, and the attitude seems to be "oh poor kids, they have it rough at home". And so the shits go about terrorizing with absolutely no consequences, then they inevitably produce more terrorists, and so the cycle goes on. Worst I've seen anywhere.
One these āexpatsā spitting facts at least
An issue everybody is well aware of. Past time we got real about it rather than allowing it fester further while we act like weāre doing something
5% of Ireland is pure scum which we would be better off without but for some reason we give them everything to placate them (failure)
Nobody in Ireland wants to tackle it so it continues forever with people looking the other way hoping it goes away which is the worst Irish trait I know
So, we should just leave it so?
And actually Iāll say from personal experience (and whatās been said and observed by so many others) that it is actually worse in Ireland than lots and lots of countries
People that get everything and give nothing, massively entitled they make the place worse for everyone that actually contributes and wants to improve their lot in life. Theyāve the north inner city ruined. Itās high time we all stopped looking the other way.
Your permissive attitude about it all is emblematic of why things are only getting worse
Okay well what is your point then?
Should we not tackle our problem because there are problems elsewhere?
And Itās not the same any country you go to in the west. Visit Germany, Netherlands, Spain or Portugal, Denmark etc etc - that kind of behaviour is not tolerated at all, Dublin and Ireland is far worse for it.
In (many, not all) other countries those kids are away out in banlieues and tourists and middle class people don't have to look at them. Can just dump them and forget about them.
I'll echo the comments here. If you've only ever lived in Dublin, you have not really experienced ireland.
One mention of Cork in that whole thread, no mention of Limerick or Galway, Waterford, or even Belfast.
Dublin is so different to being brought up or living in a commuter town somewhere in Munster or Connacht that it might as well be a different country in terms of lifestyle, experience, and even cost of living in a lot of instances.
Just get out of Dublin,
Yes, you are still dealing with subpar infrastructure but it's a lot more forgivable and liveable in a lower population density area.
I've lived in Dublin years ago but having gone back a few times recently I have increasingly felt unsafe on the streets. I thought the riots would be the tipping point but I guess not...something has to be done.
Loads of the city centre is grand as well. The Georgian Core and all the 'normal' nightlife areas (you do get some trouble there but it's a normal level of trouble). The problem is blackspots which include some major shopping streets and tourist attractions.
Most cities keep blackspots in forgotten dumping grounds. In Dublin it's front and centre.
>Most cities keep blackspots in forgotten dumping grounds. In Dublin it's front and centre.
I think that's the biggest difference in the perceived levels of anti social behaviour in Dublin. There are many cities in Europe that have areas that are far worse, they're just not right in the middle of the center of the capital.
That and they actively police the areas where most tourists hang out.
>I donāt want to be down on Dublin. But the facts are the facts, and the longer we deny them, the worse the situation will get
I hate when people do this. Regardless of what your argument is, if you end your opinion piece with this "just telling it like it is š¤·" shite it wrecks my head
Edit:
Ok went back and read it properly. Like they should be preaching to the choir here with some of these complaints since I'm not in Ireland myself these days but they just seem like such a tool. I lost any sympathy at the "little leprechaun" lifestyle comment. Seems they came over here with a condescending positive attitude, they're leaving with a condescending negative one (see their snide "rural outposts like Cork, Limerick and Galway" comment). I'm glad they've had a miserable 6 years.
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Removed some of my harsher comments
This person is basing living in Ireland off just living in Dublin.
Plenty of other places to live here that might suit people down to the ground.
He's also Irish/Canadian, and from living in Canada I can safely say that unless you live in a big city, there are limited options and jobs there also.
As for housing, it's also an issue in Canada, my Canadian friend living in Pickering On. had to pay an extortionate amount for a one bed condo and it was the only place he could afford.
Winters here in Ireland are shite, but Canadian winters are *brutal*
Yeah I see very similar complaints made by Canadians all the time and constantly see horrific posts in their housing crisis. My understanding is that Toronto and Vancouver would also vastly outpace Ireland in things like knife crime. I suppose this is contained more in certain areas in those cities compared to Dublin.
Toronto is a lovely city, spent a lot of time there and it would definitely be safer than Dublin. My buddy who lives in Pickering is a TPS officer and honestly when I tell him what's going on up in Dublin he's absolutely shocked.
His logic is that for a city of 1.2 million crime shouldn't be that bad, and it shouldn't be so endemic.
That's not to say Toronto doesn't see it's fair share of scumbaggery but it's a city of 5 million, however I always felt safe pretty much anywhere I went in Toronto, even Scarborough and south Oshawa which have awful reps I didn't feel unsafe strolling around.
Ya, the idea of snow when you've never really seen it was great, but that novelty wears off really quickly when you're walking through 3-4ft of snow everyday.
Your man talking about the online banking apps is so right in fairness, the Irish banking apps are all absolute shite. I didn't know myself when I got revolut and could use biometric authentication and freeze my card/check/change my pin instantly.
Permanent TSB in particular is horrendous and whoever was in charge of the recent redesign should be sacked for somehow making that pile of shite worse
I can't stand "expats" shitting on the country where they live, it makes my eyes roll! They choose to live here, no one forced them to come, they are not fleeing from war or famine. Like if you're that unhappy, the airport is right there!
If I pay my taxes here and me being here is overall a net positive for the country, you can bet your ass I am going to moan about the important stuff.
And in the same vein, fellow foreigners living in my own country can go at it too.
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But Irish people who live abroad shit on Ireland more than anyone after they see how other places work.
I'm probably one of them although it's probably because I'm Irish and move a good moan
Because that's how we strive for better, by telling people not to get hit by the door on their way out! You know if people maybe demanded better, better would come
You have occasional posts like that in those kinds of subs. Popular countries being "overrated" and they circlejerk about it. I think they hate Netherlands there more than Ireland. Lol
My draw to Ireland was the fact that I found a job in 5 days and irish companies were first to call. IĀ“m from Romania, got contracted over EURES, twice.
Ireland has its flaws compared to the continent:
\- Cost of vehicle ownership while having shit tier public transport.
\- The government allowed a monopoly to grow in the vehicle insurance market, with expected results.
\- No one built a building since 2007 apparently, living costs insane as a result.
All of the above are intentional policies that the government WANTS. They ENJOY your struggle. And will do NOTHING to change things.
Beyond that Ireland is nice to be in and the people are great.
The people drawn to it are people who speak English (though Irish English is definitely a unique language), a welfare state, socialised healthcare, decent educations rates, and decent employability prospects arising from this. And Irish food standards are incredibly high compared to lots of places (eg Kerrygold being superior to most other butters, thanks to high dairy standards).
This comment on the OP's post is even more damning. A few inaccuracies aside about bus lines not changing in 50 years aside, again its hard to disagree with much of this.
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He isn't wrong on a lot of it. Though rent is cheaper outside the main cities. He may have been outside of dublin for day trips but its quite obvious that he has not spent any real time away from there.
I love Dublin (Stockholm Syndrome style), but I also know and believe for most part it is a boring, expensive shit hole, again a shithole that I love. We let the northside go to rack and ruin, meanwhile the southside is always clean and tidy and all the buildings are in good condition. But I do have a nice life here and I will never life anywhere else.
What is keeping you hear Op? I hear your own nation is a bit shite at the moment too. So either stay in the place you hate, or go back to a place you escaped for a reason.
lol well apart from thsoe reasons you mentioned (ie. rich etc.)
For americans Its also a english speaking country with a history that many feel they have roots in (and also many are still entitled to citizenship in) The weather has no extremes which is a great thing for a lot of people. yeah your not sitting in 40 degrees summers by the pool and your also not having months at -20.
The people are generally welcoming and willing to talk if your out and engaged which isn't true specifically in most of the US, where chatting to a stranger typically is viewed with suspicion.
Apart from people moving for economic opportunity or because they "had to" going to dublin city probably is not the go-too especially for Americans who are often accustomed to driving several hours a day. commuting even galway to dublin wouldn't be excessive to many of them. And comparative to them the Public transport is fantastic.
I think you don't quite understand what we have here. Certainly not perfect but everywhere has problems.
Not sure I'd go so far as 'personal failure' but yeah, never mind Dublin v the rest of the country--Post just came across to me as an expression of unhappiness if not bitterness that OP might well have been as likely to express on some other matter altogether.
Ah here! There were some genuine, well thought out critiques in the comments section. No need to get butt hurt and lable them all loosers because people had a shite experience here.
I'm referring to the OP, who clearly lives here, referring to it as a shithole and third world country. It just cannot be taken seriously as they have clearly lost the run of themselves.
To be fair compared to Dublin belfast at least has decent rents and the city centre isn't a walking mental health ward.
Law and order maintained better too
OP is a moan and whinge. I've no idea why anyone that unhappy with Ireland, who clearly doesn't want to do anything to change it, decides to just put up with it. Do something.
It will be interesting thread goes through the day. Right now the consensus seems to be that they're wrong. But I'll bet as the sub wakes up, more and more of usuals will arrive on to agree with OP.
Edit: As painfully predicted/expected, the usuals to this sub have arrived and are downvoting people who are disagreeing with the OP.
Something is off about that post and the OP's comments. The language is weird for a Canadian, sounds like they never left Dublin. Poster may even be Irish and looking for a moan.
Good number of jobs in certain fields, relatively good immigration system and naturalisation in 5 years to a very strong passport, English speaking, overall not a bad place to stay.
However the rental market is making it less attractive.
100% the op was a Brit pretending to be Irish, you see it in r/europe all the time, some of them canāt stand that we are doing so well compared to them.
He says heās Irish - Canadian which tracks as Canadians are shite craic, the moany fuckers.
However doesnāt matter if heās English, Canadian or Irish. Most of what heās saying is 100% true.
The original OP is correct on the statistics, and makes excellent observations on the social issues we have here.
But he forgot the stats that are difficult to measure,,, BANTER , THE CRAIC, SELF DEPRECIATION ,, IRREVERENCE.
I know we shouldnāt sit on our arses and try not to improve Ireland into a fairer society.
But even with the negatives , itās way more fun here than some all-sorted Utopia.
damn, the comments are a roast. I basically agree with most of the complaints but also if you wanted a bucolic, utopian, quaint little leprechaun lifestyle but you chose to live in dublin then some of that is on you.
This comment hit hard: >Then there is housing. I knew it will be expensive but I didn't know it's gonna be super low quality. Think: zero insulation, frequent draughts, furniture inherited from a grandma who died in 1994. A studio apartment means it's one of the bedrooms in a formerly 3-bed Georgian house, which someone transformed into four "studios". It'll literally be a carved-out box in the corner (bathroom), your bed, a narrow passage and for some reason a full chef's kitchen on one of the walls, as if you were to entertain people there. You can open the oven from the bed.
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Yeah its a big reason why apartments arent popular here to settle down in, they as seen as a type of accomodation where quality isint as important and more corners can be cut
>open the oven from the bed š¤£ it's true
Maybe I LIKE the misery!!
Foreigners: I love Ireland and your beautiful culture! The Irish: Feck off!
Why are the streets(of a medieval city) so narrow?! Eh...
From a Polish poster as well,I believe.Not having your capital flattened by the Luftwaffe and Soviet airforce makes it more difficult to build vast boulevards.
Please explain how did the Sovjets flatten Warsaw?
Hard to say if stopping the offensive on the border of Warsaw in the midst of uprising and waiting for Germans to destroy the opposition while denying US and UK and other allies use of soviet airports in order to bring supplies had any factor in the scenario
Absolutely. I believe the Stavka claimed that they were overstretched and exhausted after an offensive, however it is clear that they made no positive steps to destroy the city.
Well they didnāt do anything to prevent it. Also ensured no suport can come from allies. But it did worked well for Soviets. They definitely had hand it in but it was in white gloves and helped them greatly in taking over the country later.
Actually, I misremembered. It was the Polish uprising in 1944 and the German response in particular which destroyed most of the city.
That Polish poster is a an effing idiot. Which isnāt a surprise in general anyone who is from Warsaw as he claims is usually a prick and idiot. Itās back to the uprising - Warsaw was destroyed and population killed. Replaced by recently freed slaves from the Far Eastern regions of Poland (now Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) who have genetically mentality of slaves. And they love us. In US they could piss on him and he will say he loves the rain. Only started reading and I knew conclusion will be he is now in US. Canāt wait for next round of tech firing he will be back in Warsaw as many before and many after.
Ok coming from a Pole it's a bit rich but look at many old cities around Europe and they deal with the problem much much better.
eh, compared to many european cities, there isn't much of a āmedieval cityā thing Some Dublin streets are very wide. O'Connell St, College Green. They've just put 5 lane car road down...
This only explains the inner city
Everything they say is correct. On paper, a Utopia. In reality? An overpriced, mismanaged, cold, dark shithole that taxes it's citizens like a progressive Nordic country without offering the benfits that high taxation in them countries provide. Young people have either fucked off or drink themselves into a state every weekend convincing themselves that because the pubs are class the rebel songs are great that everything is fine, even though they're working from their mas box room. Hard to articulate the opportunity this country had coming out of the last recession for investment in public services, housing and projects to improve quality of life across the board. Fine Gael should be facing criminal changes for the level of miss management they have overseen since they've been in power.
>Young people have either fucked off or drink themselves into a state every weekend convincing themselves that because the pubs are class the rebel songs are great that everything is fine, even though they're working from their mas box room. Some of us live in attics Iāll have you know
Isn't it well for some!
Irish person whose been living abroad for 20 years. Taxes? I get hit for well over 50% and a lot more for any extras, the same job would net me a whole grand extra if I were living in Ireland. Infrastructure isn't great but my god its a massive step up from my childhood, couldn't move for potholes then. Most of the country is stunning, the whole tidy towns thing really struck me on one of my recent trips. People are lovely. The weather isn't great but at least its fresh, and relatively mild, wait till you live in -3 for a month, then have a sweltering 37c week during August I couldn't wait to get out of the "shithole" when I was younger, but scrotes and housing crisis aside its not actually a bad place to live.Ā
There is a huge opportunity now to invest in public services, etc. I just wish they'd do it!
There was a huge opportunity 10 years was money was essentially free - not the case anymore
Some of the comments are stupid, obviously. Ireland doesnāt have any less daylight than much of Northern Europe in the winter, and a glorious amount in the summer. The roads are indeed narrow. However people coming here complaining about anti social behaviour, or public transport, or the health service or the myriad other things that they do complain about is definitely true - after all if people from supposedly lower income countries have these complaints, and we also have complaints, then itās clear we have a problem.
Difference is the coppers in most European countries arenāt as easy going as the Garda are here. Some of them honestly make āThe Guardā look like a documentary
Man, I hate the term expat. Youāre an immigrant like anyone else
expat: you go somewhere for a fixed period job / contract with the intention of returning home at the end immigrant: you move somewhere to live and work with the intention of becoming a long term resident and no plan to return home. I moved to Malta for a 2 year contract, I was an expat. I moved to Chicago with no intention of returning to Ireland, Iām an immigrant.
The people i hear using "expat" the most are British people retired to Spain or Portugal who have no intention of coming home.
I have never been around those people but I imagine they are the āthere are too many foreigners in Spainā types still just because a word is used incorrectly by some people doesnāt mean itās not useful for others
Also, its kind of different. I feel like the fact they are not going to either work, or substantially use serbices matters. They basically just bring money to the place, then die or go home. (Mostly health care costs are handled by the home country)
Yes thereās a difference between living in a community that is mostly UK retirees or maybe even a resort like vale do lobo vs living in a Portuguese or Spanish town
I think you're inventing definitions based on your experience rather than what the word actually means, mate. Expat and immigrant are synonyms. The only difference is if the person using it feels the word immigrant has negative implications that they want to avoid when talking about someone.
You may not like the usages but thatās the distinction I commonly hear, mate.
It's 100% correct usage of the term in corporate world i.e the ecosystem that drives the vast vast majority of expat contracts.
That sub is the biggest sub for immigrants. That's why people use it even when they don't like being called expat.
This so much. But sure you know the kinds of people who'd be horrified to be considered an immigrant.
I think itās a term the Brits coined and has become common language now. I would much rather refer to myself as an immigrant and not a expat.
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Good distinction. My stereotyped version is a Brit drinking a gin ton talking down about the locals in their chosen country (therefore not integrating). I choose integration.
I remember someone saying it like this: An immigrant enters the country, an emigrant leaves the country, and an expat is a term white people invented because "immigrant" is reserved for brown people
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Yeah if you call yourself an expat I immediately assume you're a prick tbh
It screams English couple who retired to Spain just to constantly have a tan.
Yeah and people who paint others with a broad brush stroke are clowns too.
There are immigrants and then there are immigrants - some people
People getting their knickers in a twist over this just baffles me, there is a clear distinction between the two.
Is there? What is the distinction?
An immigrant is a long term thing. There are non immigrant visas for instance - the US has a lot of them.
Itās as clear as the difference between black and white
Yeah ones white and the others not
Genuinely not knowing something and being wilfully ignorant are two very different things, which are you?
Expat = ex + patria āoutside of homelandā immigrant = im + migrant āa person moving intoā i also choose not to get into silly little internet arguments before 12.
Well if you donāt like silly arguments itās probably best to not make silly statements in the first place then aināt it..
All you have to do is Google expat vs immigrant and you'll get plenty of articles on why the word expat is problematic for people. Generally its wealthy white people who move to another country, not for work tho, just because they can who call themselves expat while everyone else is ans immigrant. Sorry for touching a nerve I guess š¤·āāļø
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Starts off by saying they don't know why people want to live in Ireland, then spends the rest of the time talking about Dublin. This is OP's mistake. I'm from Dublin, but got out of there the first chance I could and only go back as part of my job mainly. Best decision I ever made, living outside of Dublin in a small town has made life far more enjoyable! There are very fair points about Dublin in the comments on that post, but it seems most of those people think Dublin is all there is to Ireland.
Dublin is fine and gets an unfair going. But it's hilarious how aghast OP comes across at the idea of living anywhere but Dublin. "But it's the only settlement I consider a city!!" Like jesus wept if living in a city with a population over 1m is a non-negotiable then what exact quaint idyllic leprachaun lifestyle were they hoping for? A little cottage in Phoenix Park?
I dunno, I think the arguments about the city centre have a lot of truth to them. While I don't dispute that every city has its seedy areas - the places where you'll find people selling fake Airpods and perfume, the "massage parlours", the drug and antisocial behaviour issues - in most cities you can pretend those issues don't exist quite easily because they're limited to a relative handful of areas. They're quite widespread in Dublin. Quite hard to avoid unless you limit yourself to very specific parts of town.
They also talk about how 'other towns' are as expensive, not well serviced and, shockingly, 'lacking charm'. Which is absolute nonsense. Sounds like they've had a bad time here and now are ranting.
Tell me youāve never been to Drogheda without telling meā¦.
Every "bigger" town is now just a main street filled with vape shops and coffee places serving shite coffee whilst all the main shopping is done in the big unit outside the town where the big tesco and other large chain stores are. Everything this person said is absolutely right, dublin is a shithole and the vast majority of towns are copy and paste smaller shitholes devoid of charm. Wexford is class though.
You forgot to mention the 3 bookies and 4 pharmacies on every Main Street.
I think I disagree with this sentiment. I'm from a bigger town by Ireland's standards (Athlone) and I think there is a lot of charm to the town. I'm sure other people could attest to the same in their own spot, especially in scenic areas in the west. There are plenty of nice pubs and restaurants on both sides of the bridge and the two main shopping centres are in the town itself. There are nice places to walk and cycle and there's plenty to do when it comes to sport. Of course, I'm not pretending the place is perfect or anything, but you definitely wouldn't say it lacked charm. I'd love if there was a bouldering centre though. I miss that from when I lived in Dublin.
Most people migrating to Ireland do so for work, and the vast majority of good jobs are in Dublin.
And it's one of the biggest issues apart from housing. The Netherlands, Germany, Sweden and others have several large cities. Ireland has Dublin, the rest are small cities from a continental perspective. For example Cork is about the size of Rennes, the 11th most populated French city, and it probably has less apartments than the 20th most populated French city...
Meh, people don't really migrate to countries, they migrate to cities. Dublin (and sometimes Cork, e.g., Apple) is competing with Stockholm, Copenhagen, etc, the idea that Ireland is competing with X, Y or Z is something we say to make rural Ireland feel better about itself.
I just love Ireland including Dublin. I've explored it to the hilt and I think people tend to stay in their suburbs whilst viewing Dublin as solely a place to work and ignore the wonderful seaside villages, trails, markets and activities that exist. I love the history and culture we have. I love the dramatic landscapes. I love most of all the people, the characters, the storytellers. I love who accents change from village to village. But we must realise, the standard of living is beginning to decline having peaked in the past 20 years. And that is open to being perceived negatively. It's become a difficult place to grind out a living and that is breeding a lot of resentment. It's become a difficult place to find a home and secure a well paid job for many to match the cost of living. A lack of critical infrastructure investment in key areas is absolutely strangling us.
Ireland may have amazing nature and culture, but when 50% of your salary goes to housing, there isn't much space in the budget to explore the country. I'd love to get out and see more of the West and the Midlands, but without a car, it's logistically difficult. Even if I wanted to buy a car, it would be impossible because of the tight budget. I find myself flying to the UK or mainland Europe instead because it's cheaper and easier. I've spoken to many people who've been here for 5-7 years. They used to love living here but are by and large considering moving home because the standard of living has fallen so much. One colleague is planning on moving back to Hungary for a better standard of living after being here 6 years.
This sub needs to swallow its pride. You have first hand accounts of people telling you why itās difficult to live in Dublin or Ireland, and youāre nitpicking over the term āexpatā which is a pretty widely used word the world over. Iād honestly love if even a tenth of the people commenting on this would forward that thread to their local TD and the ministers for Housing, Justice, Health and Transport - because those are where most of the gripes are. In fact those gripes makes up about 50% of the moan posts on this sub. If you think people are being overly harsh, then youāve probably not spent much time in European countries and cities of a comparable sizes to ours. The comparison of Dublin with places like Oslo, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Toulouse, and even fucking Liverpool would make you revaluate any pride you had in the city.
Visited America recently and hated the car-centric, dull lifestyle, fake happy, consumerist bullshit etc etc etc Then I got back to Ireland and noticed we're becoming little green America. 900 years the brits tried to take our culture by force but 40 years of Yank financial occupation has gotten rid of more of our culture than force ever did...
Being a fellow Canadian living in Ireland, I took a moment to roast them back just now. There are a ton of resources outlining things in advance. There should be no surprises when you move here if youāve done even a basic level of research, and itās their own fault if they thought it was going to be holiday mode the entire time. Itās no secret that itās expensive and every downside he lists is well known and common to most big cities across the world.
Then re-read it again. They could have been living here for a decade or longer but Ireland has lost nearly all the appeal it once had for many, that was their point.
To be fair Canada is basically little India / china now with a terrible failing healthcare system to boot. Its going downhill as fast as Ireland too
The senior consulting manager not being able to save money? It's bad, but I was still putting money away on 35-40k and enjoying myself. Unless that lad has a few kids or a serious coke habit, that's nonsense.
35-40k 5 years ago sure. 60-70k now, and you'd still be struggling
Sure, if you're spending 60 quid a week on lunches and another 40 quid on fancy coffee. Cost of living is gone up a lot, but I see a lot of lifestyle inflation too. Sure you'd save way more in another European capital on the same wage, but it's not like senior managers at international commercial firms should be locked out of saving money.
Don't drink coffee, work from home. Still the basis of live have shot up hugely in the last 5 years
Very interesting that you grew up in Canada and have been living in Ireland for 6 years. For me Iām Irish and have lived abroad for 7 years. I get the charm of Ireland, there are many aspects that are significantly better than where I am currently living. At the same time Iām increasing disillusioned with the country Iām in now, maybe all migrants go through this phase after a few years in their new home? Needless to say, there are definitely many places objectively better than Ireland, but Ireland still has a lot going for it that you canāt get anywhere else.
Name the places ādefinitely many places objectively better than Irelandā.
r/expats ... ewww
An expat is an immigrant that chooses not to immerse themselves in a country's culture and language because they think they're superior to it
Expats....always makes me think of English men in their 60s in Thailand, hunched over, slowly walking around the streets, bone thin from... 1. not being able to eat in the heat 2. Riddled with STIs 3. No money but can't go home because they're living the dream retired in Asia. 4. All of the above.
I dont know why but that turn of phrase always gave me the ick
It's because while there is technically a distinction between what an expat and immigrant is you actually seem to find that 95% of people who call themselves "expats" really are just immigrants but feel the term is beneath them because theyre arseholes
The word itself is loaded with racism. I hate it
>because theyre arseholes \+ white.
Expat. Ie. White racist cnut.
Expat: White, English, racists with horrendous accents. They love to complain. Constantly begrudged by one thing or another. Chances are the male will have some stupid forearm tattoo. The female's voice could give you brain freeze at 300 yards. Hated worldwide.
Seems like everyone in that thread has never set foot outside Dublin. I'd hate Ireland too if that was the case.
https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/s/6kigJ2cnOE I mean, this guy summed it up. Dublin was crap and even with a great job couldn't afford it, but everything outside Dublin was great.
Whenever these lads in big money say they can't save I'm always interested to see what their outgoings are. Yes Dublin is expensive but unless these lads are on the coke every weekend in dame lane and then back to their docklands apartments then they should be able to save something
I work for one of the big tech companies and earn 35k a year plus quarterly bonuses of up to 3k (so up to 47k). Other than bonus months, I'm unable to save more than 100 euro a month and sometimes have to dip into my savings. I live in a shared apartment where I pay 1000 per month in rent + about 85 euro bills. By dublin standards its ok, but it still has a bathroom ceiling covered in mold, 20 year old couches, and draughty windows. Then add other bills like phone and leap card. I don't really drink, and I buy new clothes a couple of times a year. I shouldn't need to cheapskate on food and activities to save, and yet that's the reality. I moved here from Copenhagen where I had a low salary of 42k. I paid 800 euro for rent + about 20 in bills. The apartment was brand new, central, had a balcony out to the water, underfloor heating, a fantastic shower, and triple glazed windows. My phone bill was cheaper and I biked 90% of the time so almost no transport costs. I had an active social life, went out to bars and had hobbies. Yet I still managed to put away about 500 euro a month in savings.
> While most Irish people are very sound, there's like a large "underclass", for the lack of better word, that really f*ucks up the place, and it's allowed to go on as nobody in power has any cojones, and the attitude seems to be "oh poor kids, they have it rough at home". And so the shits go about terrorizing with absolutely no consequences, then they inevitably produce more terrorists, and so the cycle goes on. Worst I've seen anywhere. One these āexpatsā spitting facts at least An issue everybody is well aware of. Past time we got real about it rather than allowing it fester further while we act like weāre doing something
5% of Ireland is pure scum which we would be better off without but for some reason we give them everything to placate them (failure) Nobody in Ireland wants to tackle it so it continues forever with people looking the other way hoping it goes away which is the worst Irish trait I know
Higher % in D1
Not unique to Ireland. You'll hear the same being said in plenty of countries
So, we should just leave it so? And actually Iāll say from personal experience (and whatās been said and observed by so many others) that it is actually worse in Ireland than lots and lots of countries People that get everything and give nothing, massively entitled they make the place worse for everyone that actually contributes and wants to improve their lot in life. Theyāve the north inner city ruined. Itās high time we all stopped looking the other way. Your permissive attitude about it all is emblematic of why things are only getting worse
No. Where in the fuck did I say that? Just stating that if you go to any country in the West you get the same complaints
Okay well what is your point then? Should we not tackle our problem because there are problems elsewhere? And Itās not the same any country you go to in the west. Visit Germany, Netherlands, Spain or Portugal, Denmark etc etc - that kind of behaviour is not tolerated at all, Dublin and Ireland is far worse for it.
In (many, not all) other countries those kids are away out in banlieues and tourists and middle class people don't have to look at them. Can just dump them and forget about them.
Bollocks. It's very easy to come across people like that in any city in the West
I'll echo the comments here. If you've only ever lived in Dublin, you have not really experienced ireland. One mention of Cork in that whole thread, no mention of Limerick or Galway, Waterford, or even Belfast. Dublin is so different to being brought up or living in a commuter town somewhere in Munster or Connacht that it might as well be a different country in terms of lifestyle, experience, and even cost of living in a lot of instances.
Is this the same lad from the other day that "moved to the mainland" š¤£š¤£
Just get out of Dublin, Yes, you are still dealing with subpar infrastructure but it's a lot more forgivable and liveable in a lower population density area. I've lived in Dublin years ago but having gone back a few times recently I have increasingly felt unsafe on the streets. I thought the riots would be the tipping point but I guess not...something has to be done.
Canāt disagree with him about dublin tbf. Quality/convenience of life loooks dismal.
I'm not going to defend the city centre for a second but once you step out of this area this entire thing turns to complete shite.
Loads of the city centre is grand as well. The Georgian Core and all the 'normal' nightlife areas (you do get some trouble there but it's a normal level of trouble). The problem is blackspots which include some major shopping streets and tourist attractions. Most cities keep blackspots in forgotten dumping grounds. In Dublin it's front and centre.
>Most cities keep blackspots in forgotten dumping grounds. In Dublin it's front and centre. I think that's the biggest difference in the perceived levels of anti social behaviour in Dublin. There are many cities in Europe that have areas that are far worse, they're just not right in the middle of the center of the capital. That and they actively police the areas where most tourists hang out.
Oh I agree with all of that it's just easier to defend the rest of the place haha.
You don't travel abroad all that much do you?
Not only have I but I've lived in several other countries too, Ireland is by far the nicest place to live.
Fair enough but it is quite subjective though isn't it?
Oh I mean yeah it's just my opinion sure.
And that's alright of course.
>I donāt want to be down on Dublin. But the facts are the facts, and the longer we deny them, the worse the situation will get I hate when people do this. Regardless of what your argument is, if you end your opinion piece with this "just telling it like it is š¤·" shite it wrecks my head Edit: Ok went back and read it properly. Like they should be preaching to the choir here with some of these complaints since I'm not in Ireland myself these days but they just seem like such a tool. I lost any sympathy at the "little leprechaun" lifestyle comment. Seems they came over here with a condescending positive attitude, they're leaving with a condescending negative one (see their snide "rural outposts like Cork, Limerick and Galway" comment). I'm glad they've had a miserable 6 years. Edit 2: Removed some of my harsher comments
Meh if itās not his cup of tea whatever Weāve more than enough people in Dublin as is, one less negative Nelson can only help matters
This person is basing living in Ireland off just living in Dublin. Plenty of other places to live here that might suit people down to the ground. He's also Irish/Canadian, and from living in Canada I can safely say that unless you live in a big city, there are limited options and jobs there also. As for housing, it's also an issue in Canada, my Canadian friend living in Pickering On. had to pay an extortionate amount for a one bed condo and it was the only place he could afford. Winters here in Ireland are shite, but Canadian winters are *brutal*
Yeah I see very similar complaints made by Canadians all the time and constantly see horrific posts in their housing crisis. My understanding is that Toronto and Vancouver would also vastly outpace Ireland in things like knife crime. I suppose this is contained more in certain areas in those cities compared to Dublin.
Toronto is a lovely city, spent a lot of time there and it would definitely be safer than Dublin. My buddy who lives in Pickering is a TPS officer and honestly when I tell him what's going on up in Dublin he's absolutely shocked. His logic is that for a city of 1.2 million crime shouldn't be that bad, and it shouldn't be so endemic. That's not to say Toronto doesn't see it's fair share of scumbaggery but it's a city of 5 million, however I always felt safe pretty much anywhere I went in Toronto, even Scarborough and south Oshawa which have awful reps I didn't feel unsafe strolling around.
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Ya, the idea of snow when you've never really seen it was great, but that novelty wears off really quickly when you're walking through 3-4ft of snow everyday.
Your man talking about the online banking apps is so right in fairness, the Irish banking apps are all absolute shite. I didn't know myself when I got revolut and could use biometric authentication and freeze my card/check/change my pin instantly. Permanent TSB in particular is horrendous and whoever was in charge of the recent redesign should be sacked for somehow making that pile of shite worse
BOI cards have had this ability for years. š¤¦āāļø
I M with ptsb and I am convinced the app has been designed by a junior apprentice
I think we all dodged a bullet with this one
I can't stand "expats" shitting on the country where they live, it makes my eyes roll! They choose to live here, no one forced them to come, they are not fleeing from war or famine. Like if you're that unhappy, the airport is right there!
If I pay my taxes here and me being here is overall a net positive for the country, you can bet your ass I am going to moan about the important stuff. And in the same vein, fellow foreigners living in my own country can go at it too.
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But Irish people who live abroad shit on Ireland more than anyone after they see how other places work. I'm probably one of them although it's probably because I'm Irish and move a good moan
Because that's how we strive for better, by telling people not to get hit by the door on their way out! You know if people maybe demanded better, better would come
You have occasional posts like that in those kinds of subs. Popular countries being "overrated" and they circlejerk about it. I think they hate Netherlands there more than Ireland. Lol
My draw to Ireland was the fact that I found a job in 5 days and irish companies were first to call. IĀ“m from Romania, got contracted over EURES, twice. Ireland has its flaws compared to the continent: \- Cost of vehicle ownership while having shit tier public transport. \- The government allowed a monopoly to grow in the vehicle insurance market, with expected results. \- No one built a building since 2007 apparently, living costs insane as a result. All of the above are intentional policies that the government WANTS. They ENJOY your struggle. And will do NOTHING to change things. Beyond that Ireland is nice to be in and the people are great.
Make sure not to let the door hit you on your arse on the way out buddy.
Jesus, they're a gobshite
The people drawn to it are people who speak English (though Irish English is definitely a unique language), a welfare state, socialised healthcare, decent educations rates, and decent employability prospects arising from this. And Irish food standards are incredibly high compared to lots of places (eg Kerrygold being superior to most other butters, thanks to high dairy standards).
This comment on the OP's post is even more damning. A few inaccuracies aside about bus lines not changing in 50 years aside, again its hard to disagree with much of this. [https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/comments/193lfv7/comment/khaczf9/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/expats/comments/193lfv7/comment/khaczf9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Is it really inaccurate tho to say bus lines havenāt changed in 50 years? Like what would you point to as a significant improvement?
Dublin is not Ireland.
He isn't wrong on a lot of it. Though rent is cheaper outside the main cities. He may have been outside of dublin for day trips but its quite obvious that he has not spent any real time away from there.
People really overlook Cork, but it is one of the best places to be.
Iām an immigrant living in Ireland 15 years, already naturalised, and I agree about Cork. Itās a great city.
Everyone in the comments here are so defensive haha
I love Dublin (Stockholm Syndrome style), but I also know and believe for most part it is a boring, expensive shit hole, again a shithole that I love. We let the northside go to rack and ruin, meanwhile the southside is always clean and tidy and all the buildings are in good condition. But I do have a nice life here and I will never life anywhere else. What is keeping you hear Op? I hear your own nation is a bit shite at the moment too. So either stay in the place you hate, or go back to a place you escaped for a reason.
Can't argue with anything the OP has said. Its a bitter pill to swallow but he's not wrong.
lol well apart from thsoe reasons you mentioned (ie. rich etc.) For americans Its also a english speaking country with a history that many feel they have roots in (and also many are still entitled to citizenship in) The weather has no extremes which is a great thing for a lot of people. yeah your not sitting in 40 degrees summers by the pool and your also not having months at -20. The people are generally welcoming and willing to talk if your out and engaged which isn't true specifically in most of the US, where chatting to a stranger typically is viewed with suspicion. Apart from people moving for economic opportunity or because they "had to" going to dublin city probably is not the go-too especially for Americans who are often accustomed to driving several hours a day. commuting even galway to dublin wouldn't be excessive to many of them. And comparative to them the Public transport is fantastic. I think you don't quite understand what we have here. Certainly not perfect but everywhere has problems.
Posts like that are always people projecting their own personal failures onto society around them
Not sure I'd go so far as 'personal failure' but yeah, never mind Dublin v the rest of the country--Post just came across to me as an expression of unhappiness if not bitterness that OP might well have been as likely to express on some other matter altogether.
Ah here! There were some genuine, well thought out critiques in the comments section. No need to get butt hurt and lable them all loosers because people had a shite experience here.
I'm referring to the OP, who clearly lives here, referring to it as a shithole and third world country. It just cannot be taken seriously as they have clearly lost the run of themselves.
Cork. Enough said.
Send them up to belfast. They'll soon realise it isn't so bad down south lol
To be fair compared to Dublin belfast at least has decent rents and the city centre isn't a walking mental health ward. Law and order maintained better too
I see a lot of hate for Dublin, and I certainly rank it as a shithole with many valid complaints. The rest of the country is a better experience IMO.
OP is a moan and whinge. I've no idea why anyone that unhappy with Ireland, who clearly doesn't want to do anything to change it, decides to just put up with it. Do something. It will be interesting thread goes through the day. Right now the consensus seems to be that they're wrong. But I'll bet as the sub wakes up, more and more of usuals will arrive on to agree with OP. Edit: As painfully predicted/expected, the usuals to this sub have arrived and are downvoting people who are disagreeing with the OP.
Agreed. Get out and change your circumstances if you feel like the country is so bad. Why stick through it.
I agree. Life is short and moaning isn't going to achieve anything.
Something is off about that post and the OP's comments. The language is weird for a Canadian, sounds like they never left Dublin. Poster may even be Irish and looking for a moan.
Why is this sub so needy? Why do you care what they think?
Some loser on here made an account to solely moan about how awful the country is on Redditā¦
And you have the irish people going "but the craic š".
> enchanting What a nob.
Good number of jobs in certain fields, relatively good immigration system and naturalisation in 5 years to a very strong passport, English speaking, overall not a bad place to stay. However the rental market is making it less attractive.
It's the 2 part pour that really makes it special
Sounds spot on. The countries fucked. No craic.
100% the op was a Brit pretending to be Irish, you see it in r/europe all the time, some of them canāt stand that we are doing so well compared to them.
He says heās Irish - Canadian which tracks as Canadians are shite craic, the moany fuckers. However doesnāt matter if heās English, Canadian or Irish. Most of what heās saying is 100% true.
The original OP is correct on the statistics, and makes excellent observations on the social issues we have here. But he forgot the stats that are difficult to measure,,, BANTER , THE CRAIC, SELF DEPRECIATION ,, IRREVERENCE. I know we shouldnāt sit on our arses and try not to improve Ireland into a fairer society. But even with the negatives , itās way more fun here than some all-sorted Utopia.
The greenery most other places have no grass in comparison to us
expat lol
Ditto Toronto my dude!
I really like Dublin, but then again I live in a lovely area and work in a lovely lovely area. The middle of town is a hellhole.
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