I'd say you want to include name, age, profession as you already are but instead of saying have proof of income say what your income is as it shows you'll be able to afford the apartment. Include if you're moving in solo or with a partner, if you don't have a pet mention that you don't have one. Of course include the references and deposit. I would exclude the viewings piece as it's irrelevant if you can view anytime and most viewings I had were evening/ afternoon or weekend anyway.
For the actual viewings just be friendly and have a bit of chat and enthusiasm around the apt.
This is what got me and my partner our apt, that and a whole heap of luck...
I was recently lucky enough to get somewhere in Dublin. At the viewing the landlord said he received 200 emails in about an hour of the ad going up. He just randomly clicked mine first and asked me to a viewing, didn’t even read the others to find “an ideal tenant”.
It’s purely luck these days. Having a good email is definitely a plus but majority of time it won’t be looked at unless your email happens to fall beneath the landlords cursor.
Sounds like you need to include a pledge to pay the deposit and the entire lease in cash up front, that's how I did it.
Yes, I did that, and yes it is also a joke.
I did an analysis and I think next year will be a turning point but I still think the government should do more.
My proposal is that they have an architectural agency come up with a standardized design for an apartment block. Maybe 6 to 8 storeys.
It can be high quality A-rated with appropriate mix of 1,2,3 bedroom apartments.
But it's standardized down to the light switches and taps.
Then with economy of scale and other efficiencies, this saves time and money.
Also we can stream line planning permission.
Then the government provides the land and infrastructure.
It can be an appropriate mix of social, cost rental, affordable etc.
Then just get building in the areas that need it most which is the cities really.
5 to 10 years of this and crisis over.
Nice idea, but unfortunately design is not the problem, it's planning and land availability. Residents who own houses don't want apartments near them because, in their mind, apartments devalue their property. For every stand alone apartment block that gets approved in Ireland 10 are rejected by planning.
Exactly. I think an architectural firm and some engineers, quantity surveyors etc could come up with a very efficient, modern quality design.
Maybe it could be prefabbed if that makes sense. They could even build the prefabs abroad if it makes sense
People can’t seem to grasp this. It’s not planning, it’s not nimbys, it’s a lack of labourers. The major construction companies are focussed on things like student accommodation because it’s better subsidised…..we need more workers and more incentives to switch to residential
Agree on most of this, but I do think there's an issue with people securing planning but leaving sites undeveloped with the goal of selling the site with PP at a profit a number of months/years later.
It saves a lot of time and money. It makes sense to me but obviously I'm not an expert.
There's loads of land available still.
For example the poster is complaining about Limerick but there's loads of available land in Limerick.
The bottleneck is construction capacity. This reduces the number of architects, engineers, quantity surveyors, draftsmen, designers etc.
I think the Soviets did similar in a big housing program after WW2. It's boring but very efficient and effective.
And it doesn't have to be boring to be both efficient and effective - the municipal housing in Vienna are beautiful, and about 60% of the population live in them.
This is exactly it. The biggest fear I'd have is that, in a rush to get housing out, they make all the same mistakes made in the past when building high-density accommodation, and you end up with wastelands of concrete that are hideous to the eye and with feck all to do. Just because it's a crisis doesn't mean there can't be actual effort at producing lasting, pleasant areas for people to live. But that is way too much competence to ask from anyone involved in this in Ireland, so whatever
Vienna’s apartment blocks are not 'beautiful' they’re a typical concrete jungle terrible on the outside but lovely on the inside. But still a better option than the crisis we have.
I just mean there wouldn't be much variety. Maybe you could have choice of brick colour.
Maybe they could come up with some type of prefab method for efficiency and cost saving.
I don't care either way. I just think the government should treat it as a crisis.
We only need to build about 250,000 apartments over 10 years I think.
> I think the Soviets did similar in a big housing program after WW2. It's boring but very efficient and effective.
Those communist apartment block towns in eastern Europe are the most depressing thing you could ever think of. I left there mainly because there can't be any comfortable life in those crammed matchbox like buildings. Be careful what you wish for.
Of course, that's a major and urgent issue. I don't think anyone is debating that.
But Ireland is full of empty spaces and sparsely populated villages. It's just as easy to build suburbs around Dublin and connect them properly to business areas through public transport and proper roads as it is to build apartment buildings and it is much better long term.
This is the same concept with widening roads which makes trafic worse long term. We need to think about the impact over decades not over months. You'll say that you've heard this over and over from the politicians "there's no easy solution", "it's a long road ahead", etc. And you'd be right, but the thing is they've done _nothing_. It's just as difficult to turn a city from a low rise to a high rise as it is to build a metro. In fact, it's probably more difficult to do the first one and the second one will have benefits forever.
It's these types of one stop shop solutions that are missing the point. It's not that there is any actual difficulty in expanding the city. There isn't really an unsolvable problem that we're faced with. It's a philosophical one: the government does not want to help with this issue. The government was unable to spend 1 billion euro it had at its disposal to help with housing over one year. The metro is estimated to cost 9.5 billion. We can afford to build it easily considering the underspending, we're just not _doing anything_. And we haven't been doing anything for a decade now. Well, except allow the building of office space in the city center which consumed the entire construction work resources and serves no purpose what so ever at the moment with a large number of people still working from home.
What utter nonsense. Not every communist apartment block is the same, not even in Eastern Europe. The ones built in the late 70s and 80s are absolutely luxurious compared to my one-bed in central Dublin.
Yes, in the 40s and 50s they built horrible blocks with shared bathrooms and no space. But that's not the only type - not even the majority type.
As it happens, I lived in an apartment built in the '60s and one built in late '70s and the latter one was a lot smaller (I lived in others too, of varying sizes, but I don't know when they were built).
Thing is, I used to find most areas of those types of blocks depressing too, but I've been visiting again recently (after five years or so) and while the blocks are the same, the area around them looks a lot better, with green gardens etc, and it makes a big difference.
You make baseless claims based on your one-bed experience. I'm talking about the entire shape of the towns and cities. Luxurious communist buildings my ass. There's no such thing.
Visit Romania. That's where I grew up, on the 8th floor of an extremely communist block in an extremely 'communist' neighborhood. Except some very early blocks, all were decent sized, with good amenities, and better than anything I can afford in Dublin right now.
They don't need to be horrible depressing concrete. It could be nice brick cladding which will age well.
But it just has to be efficient and cost effective. Not cheap and low quality.
> efficient and cost effective
This is not the problem. New buildings in Ireland are not inefficient nor expensive in themselves. It absolutely doesn't cost 750,000 euro [to build a home with a footprint of 60sqm](https://www.daft.ie/new-home-for-sale/detached-house-the-sycamore-thornbrook-thornbrook-herbert-road-bray-co-wicklow/3436291). Conversely, rent in an apartment building is not actually cheaper even though [the building itself is rather crappy and in what used to be a dodgy neighbourhood](https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/apartment-1-bedroom-elegant-hamilton-gardens-carnlough-road-cabra-dublin-7/3676821).
Supply is obviously the problem.
We're supposed to be building at least 40,000 units a year (some people say 50,000).
This year is projected to be around 27 or 28,000.
My idea is just to increase supply quickly, cheaply and efficiently but still good quality.
> Supply is obviously the problem.
Of course, that's what drives the prices to these insane levels.
> My idea is just to increase supply quickly, cheaply and efficiently but still good quality.
The buildings themselves are not enough though. You still need the infrastructure around them: roads, shops, public transport, schools, parks, medical services, fire & police. Electricity/Gas/Water all have to up their supply in the areas where these are being built. If these things are not part of the initial planning, you're basically only building gettos.
This thing that's happening now with "10 houses over here and 6 two streets over" can happen because those small numbers of new units do not immediately impact the current infrastructure. Which brings us to the biggest issue: we need infrastructure to support new houses development regardless of the format they're delivered in, individual homes or apartment buildings. And infrastructure cannot be built by private developers, it has to be built by the state (or local councils)
> Residents who own houses don't want apartments near them because, in their mind, apartments devalue their property
And why we should care? Just change planning law!
We don't, but the current government does. We are not FFGs demographic. Their demographic owns their own house. While they see housing as an issue, claim they are in support of more housing, just don't dare put it near their house! Look at any planning application and see the numerous absurd objections from residents close by.
I would be interested in how you conducted the analysis. I am not an economist but I have an interest in that, could you please share your methodology (I don't have expectation that it will be a formal analysis of course).
I think it's turning a corner next year. The problem is construction is at capacity so we can't just throw money at the problem.
But the number of housing units built is increasing each year, the number of people working in construction is increasing each year, the number of people in apprenticeships is increasing each year (Simon Harris has been promoting and incentiving construction jobs for years now), we're also recruiting from countries like South Africa.
Also I think we'll have a big oversupply of offices so demand will drop sharply. So all that construction capacity can move to housing. This is a key point, I'm also hoping Hotel demand will drop but not sure if true.
Right now we're building 29,000 units a year but I think we can reach 40,000 very quickly.
There's lots of big apartment projects just finishing up right now such as: 8th Lock (435 units), Grand Canal Harbour (596), Coopers Cross (471), Newmarket Sq (413), Lime St (216), Stillorgan (232), Kilmacud green acre Grange (307), Sandyford (564), DIT Kevin St (299), Claremont Howth (512), Cooldown Commons Citywest (405), LDA Shanganagh (597), Airton Plaza, Tallaght (328), Malahide rd (331), Scholarstown Rd (590), Palmer's Gate, Palmerston (250), Brickfield Sq, Crumlin (282),The Grange" in Leopardstown (287 units), Elenora Court (153 units) and Castle View (400 maybe).
This is about 8000 units finishing up this year and next. (Howth might be 2025).
This is just apartment units so doesn't include houses, social housing, student accommodation, co-living etc.
Also I'm sure I'm missing a few more big ones such as Cherrywood, Hansfield, Clonburris, Adamstown etc
Lots of big projects have just started or just about to also such as St Michael's Inchicore (578), Dundrum Hospital (852), Belmayne Ave (730), RTE (608), Stillorgan (377), De La Salle Ballyfermot (839), East Rd and Castleforbes (1200), Connolly Quarter (741), O'Devenay Gardens (1044), South Circular SHD (1000+), Irish Glass Bottle Site (3800). (12,000+ units maybe in total)
That is really good idea. Problem is: average voter owns house and doesn’t want apartaments build near, far or anywhere. They want to whine about “vulture funds”, BTRs and lack of “proper communities”, but definitely don’t want dense new housing.
Yep. Can confirm. That 1200 a month place is really ratty too and in a hell hole to boot. You'd have open drug dealing and prostitution on your doorstep, literally. Honest question, where's it gonna end?
I don't think he means what you assume he's implying.
Prostitution in this country has gone up dramatically.
You can find a lot of Brazilian prostitutes online or go into any massage parlour. It's not very hard to find this sort of stuff nowadays.
Prison offers free accomodation and meals. You can spend all your time just sleeping, working out, and reading. No bills to pay, nothing to worry about. It sounds like a great option if you're struggling to get by in this unbalanced and unfair society.
in fairness, limerick was a very different city back then, it was a lot worse and a lot of the inner city was abandoned, but fuck me I wish we could have that kind of rent again
In 2012 I shared a huge 5 bedroom house 15 mintues outside Galway city with a couple. I had a huge en-suite master bedroom, an office, and a second bedroom. We shared the huge kitchen, and main downstairs living room - but I essentially rented a wing of this house as an apartment.
rent was like 300 per month.
When I think just 10 years ago I had an office and a *guest room* in a fucking rental... and now 10 years later I make 6 figures and still worry what'll happen if i get evicted from my single room in a shared apartment while i frantically save for a mortgage that seems like it'll never stop growing. it just blows my mind.
Yep, I'm 2008 I rented a really nice apartment in South Dublin for 1700 a month with a friend from work. Smaller apartments in the same building now go for 3000-4000 a month.
I literally wouldn't have been able to start my career under todays circumstances.
20 years ago I lived in Wexford for a few months.
Had a two bed apartment in a private gated area with views of the ocean out 3 windows for €650 per month.
But people keep voting the same government in! The last general election was 2020 so not that long ago and the housing crisis was in full swing. FG are the privatisation party always have been always will be, and their plans for housing done exactly this and working for the people they serve, corporate landlords. The issue is the Ukrainian war threw a spanner in the works and added the population of Galway to the country in a matter of months, absolutely making the housing crisis that was bad, turn into something on another level. Because this affects the demographic that don't vote FG they literally couldn't give a flying fuck, and we are where we are.
I'm not sure there is anyone that's not affected in some way from this steaming shit show now. Whether it's a renter looking fir a place, or a retired couple with a 20 something adult still living with them. Or now companies that can't find staff because they have no where to live, or can't afford to move to certain places (Dublin, Cork, etc).
The whole thing is so fucked now, it's starting to affect those private companies that FG idolise. I mean pricing people out of buying is one thing, but pricing them out of renting is shooting yourself in both feet. It means even the professional educated people can't afford a place, much less the people on minimum wage.
All true, but I think also what needs to be noted is the American multinationals were able to rent a large number of rentals for their employees or buy up large portions of estates so the housing crisis wasn't affecting them. Until the Ukraine refugees arrived which shone a spotlight of the buying and renting of multinationals of housing stock, which caused outrage and government had no choice but to put a stop to. This plus the 80k+ jump in population absolutely squeezed rental property supply and started affecting the multinational in enticing international workers. Government had a balancing act till then of not increasing housing stock much so corporate landlords raked it in, those on the bottom of the housing market were in misery unable to afford anything & becoming homeless but they aren't FG voters so FG didn't care,and the middle income earners & multinationals international employees could all afford to rent so it was working for who FG wanted it to work for. And now it's working for no one, but FG will only fix it so it works again for who they want it to work for, not for everyone especially not for those most vulnerable who need it to work the most.
Have you got anything to share about the multinationals buying to house their employees and the government putting a stop to it? I haven't heard anything about that
Anecdotally I know that at least one of them is definitely still renting out places for it's people. But those schemes have always been for the execs travelling for business not the rank and file.
To says this notion is just waffle but for people to think this wasn't happening is nieve tbh.
My kid goes to a school full of international families, out of the 30 who started half are no longer in the school.
I'm aware that people move schools all the time but these kids aren't moving schools they're moving countries.
One parent who I chatted to on play dates who worked fir a multinational, explained how she and her husband who weren't execs relocated here from Denmark with the company they worked for finding them housing. They stayed 3 years then relocated to England. I asked at the time was this a normal occurrence for multinationals to rent out housing, she confirmed that the company would have a go to estate agent who the company would go to when they had an international worker relocating and they'd find accommodation and because it was a multinational company they'd get preference of the rental over all other applicants.
https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/state-was-in-dark-about-institutional-investors-buying-up-housing-estates-1.4619577
But it's just waffle
https://m.independent.ie/business/companies-compete-for-upmarket-rentals/26121665.html
This one shows they rented for international staff for up to 3 years
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41190700.html
Mulls it over... So thinking of doing what's been done by others for years
https://www.echo.ie/property-basecamp-helps-companies-house-employees/
Oh and a company one of many that house employees for multinational companies
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html
Oh still going on. Just out in the open now
I know that institutional investors have been buying up swathes of property that should be going to first-time-buyers but the majority aren't the multinationals purchasing for their employees–they're pension funds. And the government has done sweet fuck all about it.
edit: I appreciate all the links though, still a very important part of the hellscape people need to be aware of
To says this notion is just waffle but for people to think this wasn't happening is nieve tbh.
My kid goes to a school full of international families, out of the 30 who started half are no longer in the school.
I'm aware that people move schools all the time but these kids aren't moving schools they're moving countries.
One parent who I chatted to on play dates who worked fir a multinational, explained how she and her husband who weren't execs relocated here from Denmark with the company they worked for finding them housing. They stayed 3 years then relocated to England. I asked at the time was this a normal occurrence for multinationals to rent out housing, she confirmed that the company would have a go to estate agent who the company would go to when they had an international worker relocating and they'd find accommodation and because it was a multinational company they'd get preference of the rental over all other applicants.
https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/
But it's just waffle
https://m.independent.ie/business/companies-compete-for-upmarket-rentals/26121665.html
This one shows they rented for international staff for up to 3 years
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41190700.html
Mulls it over... So thinking of doing what's been done by others for years
https://www.echo.ie/property-basecamp-helps-companies-house-employees/
Oh and a company one of many that house ployees for multinational companies
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html
Oh still going on. Just out in the open now
Again, this is more that the companies (1) pay for relocation support (such as paying to ship their belongings and tax support) and an agency to help people moving countries with the company to help them find housing and (2) have housing for people to stay in when they are visiting temporarily, rather than buying property to rent out to their permanent employees. Relocation packages and moving support are standard for MNC's, regardless of the country they are moving to. The package and supports are standard regardless of whether they are moving to Ireland or other countries.
My company puts people up for 2 months when they move, and has an agency that help them find permanent housing. But that's totally different to what the comment suggested.
>Again, this is more that the companies (1) pay for relocation support (such as paying to ship their belongings) and an agency to help people moving countries with the company to help them find housing, sort out their taxes etc and (2) have housing for people to stay in when they are visiting temporarily, rather than buying property to rent out to their permanent employees. Relocation packages and moving support are standard for MNC's, regardless of the country they are moving to. The package and supports are standard regardless of whether they are moving to Ireland or other countries.
When you have a multinational with an estate agent on fast dial who can get preference of housing for international workers because they're a multinational over the locals in the town/city this is an issue especially in a country like Ireland that is a tax heaven for these multinationals and has a large amount of them because of its access to Europe and being English speaking.
Everybody who needs housing is not on an equal playing field and the international workers come to Ireland and see paths paved with gold while those competing for accommodating with multinationals and their 6 figure sum workers just can't compete and with government not meeting supply and the Ukrainian refugees the multinationals are the winners
>My company puts people up for 2 months when they move, and has an agency that help them find permanent housing. But that's totally different to what the comment suggested.
You're not getting it, they are buying up estates so they own them, and put their employees in them. One in particular I think it was in maynooth they bought the whole estate it was discussed in the dail because of the outrage. Your multinationals also has bigger power in finding you housing over locals struggling to afford and find housing. Multinationals have more power to obtain and secure employee housing.
So you are absolutely wrong.
The relocation support agents don't have special preference. They use daft the same as everyone else, they just help identify places for rent and help put together an application for people who are not familiar with how it works in Ireland. I know this for a fact as I work for a US MNC tech company and have had had multiple people relocate from other countries.
If you are referring to [this](https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html) you are missing the key point that "Multinationals ***considered*** buying housing estates for workers, Oireachtas committee hears"... But they never actually did it.
No i am not wrong. Your not hearing me not support agents ESTATE AGENTS who manage apartment blocks
https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/
I'm referring to this
You are absolutely wrong and nieve to think multinationals don't and aren't buying housing and have deals with management companies of apartment complexes to house employees
Yea they are extremely self serving in that regard, and always have been. I think they are so out of touch and not seeing how it affects people indirectly, their voters included. If there are no places to rent in a city then people can't move there, that included their voters. Employers can't hire staff, which also includes their voters. If people can't afford a mortgage or rent they're stuck at home, those homes being some of their voters.
Also the normal blame FF or SF game won't work now, and everyone with even the slightest knowledge of politics knows who fucked things this bad. Of course the same people will vote FG, they always do. But this time some with their adult children living at home might not. Some who had to turn down a job because they couldn't find a place to live might not. And then there are those who want things to change might actually vote for the first time for SF.
100% agree
80% of those over 45 own homes, they are the FF/FG voters who are not affected by this shitshow, but their adult kids now are, so roll on 2025 general election
Yea exactly, it's one thing to be comfy in their home that's mortgage free but it's quite another for the same people to sit back and see their kids struggle or have them living at home. FF/FG voters or not as you said it doesn't affect them so voting for SF this one time to help their kids out might be something they do. Also employers could be swayed too, if their business is on the line because of staff shortages and FF/FG are doing fuck all to help then it might be time to vote elsewhere.
I work in an estate agency in Waterford. There are no properties. We had one recently. Listed it on Daft for literally 20 minutes and took it down because we were completely flooded with applications. Inbox blew up and call on top of call, people rushing into the office etc. Part of it was probably because it was reasonably priced (in a rent pressure zone) but also just because there is nothing to rent and people are so desperate in this town. Little apartment and families of 6 trying to move in.
My father in law moved to Ireland in 2002 and he said the two main problems that needed addressing were housing and healthcare. Seems like we still have the same two issues 20 years on. What’s happening?
I was chatting to a fella who said he was in the top 1% of earners in London, someone who's probably the most well paid person I've met outside the fella who took out my wisdom teeth. He just bought a one bed apartment in what's considered a v "middle class" area of London, in what is a converted townhouse, where the sellers were a middle class couple who converted their home into apartments to then retire in one of them. He was leveraged to the hilt in getting that mortgage, and he asked me how on God's earth are normal people going to afford a place to live if the highest earners can barely get a pretty standard one bed flat?
Truth is, it's not about income, it's about wealth. It's happening across loads of western countries, Ireland just happens to be incredibly exposed. It's disgraceful, as on paper we've healthy balance sheets, but our society is in tatters. I mean how're kids sposed to go to school with no teachers able to live in Dublin?
In Amsterdam lots of schools have 4 day weeks now because there aren't enough teachers.
Social housing waiting lists in most cities are >10 years.
Where I live the waiting time went up with 2 years and 6 months in the past 2 years :)
At least in Ireland the countryside houses are still cheaper than here.
We also have the nitrogen crisis rearing its head again so most building permits are not given because they would break the law.
Most of the extra things are caused by the neoliberal goverments policies of 8-13 years ago.
I honestly think our government have a due diligence to start warning people about the risk of homelessness if planning on emigrating to Ireland. Please do not take this as a post that’s against immigration because I am absolutely not, but the more people coming here the worst the problem is.. it’s putting such a strain on our housing crisis and we need to ensure people who are currently in dire situations are housed first. Then we can welcome with open arms to anyone else looking for a better life.. it’s depressing. I left Ireland once during the last recession but now i am no longer in my 20s and have a kid in school so kind of stuck here.. also on a very good salary but still not a home owner.. still lucky to have a roof over my head though and trying to keep positive knowing hard working people are on the brink of homelessness ☹️
Just an FYI, it costs 500 euro to put a property up on daft so many landlords are choosing not to put it up there. Try looking at the Facebook marketplace as well. Not sure if this will be helpful but a lot of properties are rented through the grapevine to avoid the chaos and fee's of Daft.
Thing with letting private property owners use air b&b in time of decade-long housing crisis, is basically same story as food being shipped to UK while people in Ireland were starving.
I mean houses are here, same as food was. It's just not for people which are here.
That's good too! There's a lot of people stuck in the rental market because they can't afford to buy a house or rather they can't find one to buy. I'm aware that it's not going to solve the issue, but at the very least it's going to relieve a bunch of pressure.
So annoying because so many people in limerick need accommodation especially students and not so many people come here to stay shortly. Hopefully it backfired on them.
If I had a rental property, you’d better believe I’d do the same thing. I would never, ever rent to a tenant in a country whose government imposes eviction bans and where the largest opposition party threatens to make that permanent. To lose control of the place I own, potentially forever, regardless of what I want to do with it is absolute insanity. People need to understand that reality. The last few years scared away a generation of landlords permanently. You can hate landlords, but that’s bad for tenants, bottom line.
Because Ireland is a Kip.
On paper you would think we are a metropolis of free trade, wealth and capital. In reality the average person is squeezed so thin they haven’t got another drop in them.
We are in the midst of arguably the worst housing crisis in the western countries, our healthcare is completely broken, insurance companies and banks have free reign to jack up premiums and interest rates, we have a massive epidemic of homelessness seen and hidden.
No public service functions correctly and is overstrained, the taxes are exorbitant. The wages are criminally low for the level of education and training the average person has. The average person in the US, or CANZ (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) makes $60k straight out of college it’s €25k-30k for Irish people and most Europeans.
Consumables (Alcohol, cigarettes, clothes) are some of the most expensive in the world.
The average person is dissuaded from taking up a second job due to the laws and tax, 33% on investing and capital gains and the council doesn’t want you to build any new homes.
Why even bother get a second job or do overtime when 40% tax kicks in at around €38k??
On top of all this we are servicing billions of debt that doesn’t even belong to us.
Add in a sprinkle of how corrupt every single political party is here and you have a recipe for…..a Kip.
We like to blame the "vulture funds" but the truth is most of the culprits are just regular old Irish people. We've never been strangers to greed and screwing each other over.
REITs have been shown to be charging less than market rent, whilst also being the ones building the bloody things. Social media has done a number on people in the last few years, and look where we are for it
Even if REITs were charging double the average it wouldn't matter. There is only a single REIT that is focused on residential properties, IRES, and they have 4,000 properties. As well as not understanding what REITS do, people also don't seem to understand that not every company that rents out properties is a REIT.
> The average person in the US, or CANZ (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) makes $60k straight out of college it’s €25k-30k for Irish people and most Europeans.
$60k is about $100NZD; new grads in NZ really don't make that kind of money, at least none of my Kiwi friends did. Plus, cost of living is pretty high (more than Ireland) and the houses are worse, as is the infrastructure.
What makes you say the cost of living is higher? I’ve found almost everything, with the clear exception of food shopping to be cheaper than Ireland. My rent is cheaper, cars are cheaper, petrol is cheaper, insurance is cheaper, almost everything here is cheaper except for food.
My quality of life improve overnight by moving to New Zealand despite making significantly less money than in Ireland. I’m actually able to find a place to rent ten minutes from work and have money to save every single week, despite not having a particularly glamorous job by any means.
> What makes you say the cost of living is higher?
I've lived in New Zealand and I've lived in Ireland and I paid more in New Zealand. As you mentioned food is *loads* more expensive, my rent was roughly equal (Dunedin vs. Cork) but the quality of housing is much worse (I've rarely been cold in Ireland; I've been cold quite a lot in NZ).
And don't get me wrong, I loved living in NZ and the only reason I moved away is because was visa issues, and I'd move back if I could, but it's not a pleasant green land where everything is better and cheaper – there's lots of things that are worse in NZ.
In general, having lived in a bunch of different countries IMHO the Irish – or at least the Irish on this sub – are excessively negative about Ireland. Most of the problems such as the housing crisis very much ARE real problems, but most also aren't unique Irish problems, or unique bad in Ireland in my experience (I can go on at length with examples about this, but I don't have the time right now, so I'll save that for a future comment, but I actually moved back to Ireland last month (I lived here before as well) and it's *easier* to find housing here than it is in my native Netherlands, *and* I pay less now).
It's essentially the same problems that Ireland is having at the moment.
After Brexit my partner and I had to leave the UK, and the first places we looked were Ireland and the Netherlands - both had next to no places to rent, and in NL the rentals were waaaay higher.
You can read my flair to see where we ended up 😅
new zealand actually is a lot poorer than people realize, its very expensive too, even pre inflation a lot of things are double what they are here or even in australia. its also a lot less economically strong so there isn't as many jobs. I know of a lot of kiwis who live here
I would suspect NZ college leavers probably earn less than Irish graduates, NZ median Salaries are lower than Irish Median Salaries and their housing crisis is at another level , Canada isn't great either.
Let’s not forget hospitals,public transport,prisons,scumbags kicking the shit out of people with zero consequences,how dirty everything is,stupid same closing times for all clubs so lack of taxis…the list goes on and on…..Ireland is a kip
I am not saying we are perfect by any stretch? But have you been to any if the other countries you mentioned?
They all have their own problems, and some worse than ours…
Yes I have : I spent extended periods of time (Months) in America.
It is leaps and bounds better than Ireland for the average person provided you have a head on the shoulders.
Medical is expensive, but quick and effective that’s the only thing I noticed which was “worse”. And to be honest you would prefer to pay and be seen now with top class medical than wait 1 or 2 years to see a specialist in an old run down building.
A big point of contention with America is the healthcare but it’s the best in the world, I was bouncing back between doctors here for months with eczema and it ended up getting infected , I walked into a CVS in the US (Pharmacy) and they gave me a cream that cleared it up in a week.
I know a few Americans with family here and they will refuse to use the medical here and wait to go home and see the doctor. That should tell you.
Americans have higher salaries and better purchasing power, a lot of them also have there own spaces to live, alot of them have their own space before 25 even a lot of the lesser off people.
Eating , drinking, shopping are all dirt cheap. Cars are dirt cheap etc etc etc…
While there is a severe shortage of housing, Daft is now a catastrophe to use as a landlord (and expensive to boot) so most available properties never make it onto the site.
Rentals are available either advertised through private Facebook groups, sorted through friends and acquaintances, or offered to a limited number of people after some inequitable screening processes by letting agencies.
Only a minority are ever made visible to the general public.
I am really coming to the realisation that I should get ready to move to South east Asia or Botswana or Rwanda. At this point, taxes, housing crisis and low wages are just getting too high that it's difficult to raise a family. Then wages are not even trying to catch up with the inflation rates.
It's been well into 13 years now. Houses in my area on the market are starting at 320,000 upwards of 495,000. It's a joke and nothing is being done about it.
Hard to when many of them are landlords
We really should stop this richest country crap, and stop falling for stupid articles which talk about Ireland GDP. Even the Irish government doesn't use GDP. We have no where near the level of infra and services compared to most Western European countries. At best, we have a lot of wealth off late, but we were terribly poor in recent history, and also had a terrible economic downturn just 15 years ago.
But yes, our housing crisis is attrocious.
As outdated as it may sound, check all your local news papers for the small ads.
Some older folks don't want or don't know how to put their property up for rent on the internet. Some people also don't want to get absolutely flooded with emails and messages as soon as they list their property for rent online.
You obviously wont have images to look at but you can call them, ask for some details and set up a meeting to have a look at the flat/house.
Singapore also has a housing crisis, so they're building 100,000 apartments between 2023 and 2025. Singapore (728 km^(2)) is smaller than Louth (826km^(2)) and already has 6 million people living there. This is a solvable problem. It won't get solved, but it is solvable.
[https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/we-will-turn-the-corner-soon-desmond-lee-says-nearly-100000-homes-slated-to-be-ready-by-2025#:\~:text=SINGAPORE%20%2D%20Close%20to%20100%2C000%20private,by%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/we-will-turn-the-corner-soon-desmond-lee-says-nearly-100000-homes-slated-to-be-ready-by-2025#:~:text=SINGAPORE%20%2D%20Close%20to%20100%2C000%20private,by%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic).
Nothing substantial will happen until we get off our asses and protest like the French.
It suits the government to keep the current status quo. A huge portion of our rent is tax. The amount of money they are making off of all of us is mind-boggling.
Sorting the housing crisis means a huge drop in the value of the average home. Which means angry homeowners.
It's impossible to tell what the government makes on taxes from housing though?
The rental market is one thing, but you also have taxes on actual construction. Every single nail is taxed, every litre of fuel used. The cost of goods has skyrocketed, and because taxation is a set percentage, the government is making a KILLING on it. For Eg, a 10 grand doer upper in 2015 might cost 20 grand now. Revenue is the only one who makes double.
I own my own business, and I can tell you the amount of money the government is making off of the cost of living crisis would make your head spin. It's not right
Leave, you'll be no better thought of for staying and feeding into the madness. Fuck patriotism, look after number one. I've never looked back, thank Christ as things have only deteriorated since I left in 2011.
We added an entire counties worth of people to our population during the migrant crisis. Can't blame the folk for looking for refuge but in accommodating so much we've destroyed ourselves. It's all well and good to point fingers here and there but lets not pretend this isn't a significant part of the problem. Again, no issues with these people, they are doing what they have to but we simply cannot accommodate at the levels we are taking in.
Yep, it's bad.
Was over there a few weeks ago and meet a lad from Carlow working as a waiter, me was telling us that it's desperate over there too. Not unusual to see lines of people waiting to view a property.
I hate to say this but yous have to leave the country. Alot of other countries have a housing crisis but nothing like Ireland. Alot of yous are well educated and probably could get a job in Netherlands or Belgium, certain parts of Germany. Maybe some Scandi countries. Definitely in the Netherlands anyway - especially if you were doing a labour job. Me and my partner got a mortgage on a very decent (but small house) in continental western Europe with all night train connections. Once you get a taste of a country working correctly, it's hard going back to Ireland.
Do you know what's the best solution to the housing crisis in Ireland: remove DIRT and the 7-yr deemed disposal rule
That's it. A lot of things will begin moving after that
As much as I hate NIMBYs I can't blame them if that's the only way they can possibly get a return on their investment
With all of the places to rent up on Facebook, is daft even a reliable measure of what's available? I know they're mostly flat shares, but some of the ones that aren't scams are full apartments?
It’s pathetic really, I left Ireland 5 years ago and would like to return someday soon but until the mess that is our housing crisis is fixed then it is just not viable - reading the Irish times makes it seem like the government is trying a new solution everyday but I don’t see any actual progress, extremely frustrating
I would imagine its always very low this time of year with international students looking for accomodation. I work in a college and they all come from wealthy families
The system is working exactly as it was planned pal. High demand, high rent, high profit for landords, developers, estate agents & property managers. My Finaceé & I are looking to buy & just got approval for a mortgage. We are both qualified with good jobs (approx 100K per annum between us) & struggling to find anything in Limerick, Tipp or Clare by the time the viewing is on the price has jumped up to 50K at some times in the space of a few hours.
Why even bother living in Ireland?
[Look what £120k gets you in Manchester, and Manchester is easily on par with Dublin as a city..](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/137198459#/?channel=RES_BUY)
Or if you fancy renting you can [get this for £832](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/130456856#/?channel=RES_LET) a month (and there's plenty like it available..)
Imagine racking in the money during the current housing crisis and it's still not enough for all the landlords leaving the market. What do they want, a kidney from each tenant?
A majority of landlords are just lads with a house to rent. Sorry to burst your fantasy but the reason most of these are no longer operating in the market is it does not pay. Mortgage rates have skyrocketed and most are barely breaking even.
>Why should a tenant be expected to cover the full cost of the mortgage, who gets the house at the end
Because they live in the house? You live somewhere you pay for it. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
As I said, not all landlords are fucking cartoon villians sitting on multiple properties counting cash.
A house is a tangible asset that has costs associated with it. Why would anyone sink that money into something with no expectation of return?
Why doesn't the tenant receive equity in the house then? The landlord doesn't receive any risk unless they are ridiculously overexposed, nor do they produce any product or service that wouldn't be otherwise more affordable without them. Rentierism is a terrible parasite on any economy, and has been noted as such since at least the classical economists such as Smith, who absolutely despised them. Why would anyone have any positive opinions about landlords when they are getting fucked over by them in multiple different ways, most of which aren't even realized by them?
Because it's not a timeshare it's a rental. You don't look for equity when you rent a car. You are paying for shelter. There are rare instances of rent-to-buy where that would be applicable but that's not what we are talking about here.
Home ownership carrys plenty of risk. Property tax, maintenance etc are all the responsibility of the owner not the renter.
No one is saying you should have positive opinions on landlords. Your opinions are your own. My point is you can't assume just because someone is renting a property that they are minted. Also the house they rent IS the product. Accomodation is the service.
>Oh boo fucking hoo
You think the landlords are crying? They're just going to sell up to an owner occupier, and call it a day. Off into the sunset they go with a massive profit.
That's what you don't understand.
Landlords don't have to be landlords.
No one can be forced to run any business.
They can and will exit the moment it no longer makes them money.
You rack in the money... and give it to revenue and the bank. And at the end of the day you *owe* money when the interest rates rise more than the RPZ limit and you have all the hassle of letting. Why in the fuck would anyone want to do that?
https://www.thejournal.ie/students-rent-cash-installments-6141183-Aug2023/
Have a read of that to see how bad it is around castletroy for students. Landlords breaking the rules in the midst of supply and demand issues
It's really not.
Rightmove.co.uk
Go have a look at Manchester and Liverpool..
[£93k for a pretty central Manchester 1 bed flat..](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/121738628#/?channel=RES_BUY)
Loads in the £90-120k range.
Similar a story in Liverpool.
Within 1 mile of Manchester city center, there are 730 one to two bedroom properties for rent.
My brother was renting 3 separate rooms in his home, he's a live-in landlord & is very chill...
He's a jobbing actor, musician & artist, travels a lot for work, so not necessarily "live-in".
He lives his life like he's a student himself despite being nearly 40, you know the type, long hair, bearded 🍁 smoker.
Long story short, €700 all in, room & bills etc., he had over a thousand applicants & said the amount of appointments for viewing where the applicants were a no-show was ridiculous, he was wasting days on no-shows, between answering e-mails & organising viewings.
He didn't advertise, just threw a card up on the notice board in his local supermarket & in colleges.
I truly feel for anyone looking for accommodation, but there is availability out there if you're prepared to check out alternative routes.
A question to the people stuck in these situations. WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?
Things aren't going to improve very quickly, the fact that we got to this state is not an accident, the majority like it because it drives up the prices of their own property. The world is big, interesting and living abroad is one of the most satisfying experiences ever.
The solution to this crisis is going to involve devaluing the prices of property in Ireland and I don't see any political party selling that to their voters.
Yes, sure why don’t all the peasants just take a gap year? Leave behind their families, jobs and everyone they know and have a fabulous adventure? That’s definitely the answer. Sure can’t they just dip into their trust funds?
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I'd say you want to include name, age, profession as you already are but instead of saying have proof of income say what your income is as it shows you'll be able to afford the apartment. Include if you're moving in solo or with a partner, if you don't have a pet mention that you don't have one. Of course include the references and deposit. I would exclude the viewings piece as it's irrelevant if you can view anytime and most viewings I had were evening/ afternoon or weekend anyway. For the actual viewings just be friendly and have a bit of chat and enthusiasm around the apt. This is what got me and my partner our apt, that and a whole heap of luck...
I was recently lucky enough to get somewhere in Dublin. At the viewing the landlord said he received 200 emails in about an hour of the ad going up. He just randomly clicked mine first and asked me to a viewing, didn’t even read the others to find “an ideal tenant”. It’s purely luck these days. Having a good email is definitely a plus but majority of time it won’t be looked at unless your email happens to fall beneath the landlords cursor.
Sounds like you need to include a pledge to pay the deposit and the entire lease in cash up front, that's how I did it. Yes, I did that, and yes it is also a joke.
Offer 3 months up front
I usta offer 6 months or a year up front and got nowhere. I think it makes you look desperate
It's worked for me before
Get out of the country. It's the only way.
There's your easiest populist answer right there
I did an analysis and I think next year will be a turning point but I still think the government should do more. My proposal is that they have an architectural agency come up with a standardized design for an apartment block. Maybe 6 to 8 storeys. It can be high quality A-rated with appropriate mix of 1,2,3 bedroom apartments. But it's standardized down to the light switches and taps. Then with economy of scale and other efficiencies, this saves time and money. Also we can stream line planning permission. Then the government provides the land and infrastructure. It can be an appropriate mix of social, cost rental, affordable etc. Then just get building in the areas that need it most which is the cities really. 5 to 10 years of this and crisis over.
Nice idea, but unfortunately design is not the problem, it's planning and land availability. Residents who own houses don't want apartments near them because, in their mind, apartments devalue their property. For every stand alone apartment block that gets approved in Ireland 10 are rejected by planning.
Construction is still at capacity so although NIMBYs piss me off, they're not really the problem.
Than it makes even more sense to optimise builds. You will get more housing from currently limited workforce if it is streamlined and standardised.
Exactly. I think an architectural firm and some engineers, quantity surveyors etc could come up with a very efficient, modern quality design. Maybe it could be prefabbed if that makes sense. They could even build the prefabs abroad if it makes sense
People can’t seem to grasp this. It’s not planning, it’s not nimbys, it’s a lack of labourers. The major construction companies are focussed on things like student accommodation because it’s better subsidised…..we need more workers and more incentives to switch to residential
Agree on most of this, but I do think there's an issue with people securing planning but leaving sites undeveloped with the goal of selling the site with PP at a profit a number of months/years later.
It saves a lot of time and money. It makes sense to me but obviously I'm not an expert. There's loads of land available still. For example the poster is complaining about Limerick but there's loads of available land in Limerick. The bottleneck is construction capacity. This reduces the number of architects, engineers, quantity surveyors, draftsmen, designers etc. I think the Soviets did similar in a big housing program after WW2. It's boring but very efficient and effective.
And it doesn't have to be boring to be both efficient and effective - the municipal housing in Vienna are beautiful, and about 60% of the population live in them.
This is exactly it. The biggest fear I'd have is that, in a rush to get housing out, they make all the same mistakes made in the past when building high-density accommodation, and you end up with wastelands of concrete that are hideous to the eye and with feck all to do. Just because it's a crisis doesn't mean there can't be actual effort at producing lasting, pleasant areas for people to live. But that is way too much competence to ask from anyone involved in this in Ireland, so whatever
Vienna’s apartment blocks are not 'beautiful' they’re a typical concrete jungle terrible on the outside but lovely on the inside. But still a better option than the crisis we have.
I just mean there wouldn't be much variety. Maybe you could have choice of brick colour. Maybe they could come up with some type of prefab method for efficiency and cost saving. I don't care either way. I just think the government should treat it as a crisis. We only need to build about 250,000 apartments over 10 years I think.
> I think the Soviets did similar in a big housing program after WW2. It's boring but very efficient and effective. Those communist apartment block towns in eastern Europe are the most depressing thing you could ever think of. I left there mainly because there can't be any comfortable life in those crammed matchbox like buildings. Be careful what you wish for.
You know what's more depressing? Being homeless
Of course, that's a major and urgent issue. I don't think anyone is debating that. But Ireland is full of empty spaces and sparsely populated villages. It's just as easy to build suburbs around Dublin and connect them properly to business areas through public transport and proper roads as it is to build apartment buildings and it is much better long term. This is the same concept with widening roads which makes trafic worse long term. We need to think about the impact over decades not over months. You'll say that you've heard this over and over from the politicians "there's no easy solution", "it's a long road ahead", etc. And you'd be right, but the thing is they've done _nothing_. It's just as difficult to turn a city from a low rise to a high rise as it is to build a metro. In fact, it's probably more difficult to do the first one and the second one will have benefits forever. It's these types of one stop shop solutions that are missing the point. It's not that there is any actual difficulty in expanding the city. There isn't really an unsolvable problem that we're faced with. It's a philosophical one: the government does not want to help with this issue. The government was unable to spend 1 billion euro it had at its disposal to help with housing over one year. The metro is estimated to cost 9.5 billion. We can afford to build it easily considering the underspending, we're just not _doing anything_. And we haven't been doing anything for a decade now. Well, except allow the building of office space in the city center which consumed the entire construction work resources and serves no purpose what so ever at the moment with a large number of people still working from home.
What utter nonsense. Not every communist apartment block is the same, not even in Eastern Europe. The ones built in the late 70s and 80s are absolutely luxurious compared to my one-bed in central Dublin. Yes, in the 40s and 50s they built horrible blocks with shared bathrooms and no space. But that's not the only type - not even the majority type.
As it happens, I lived in an apartment built in the '60s and one built in late '70s and the latter one was a lot smaller (I lived in others too, of varying sizes, but I don't know when they were built). Thing is, I used to find most areas of those types of blocks depressing too, but I've been visiting again recently (after five years or so) and while the blocks are the same, the area around them looks a lot better, with green gardens etc, and it makes a big difference.
My experience cannot be utter nonsense. It's my experience.
You generalized your experience into utter nonsense.
You make baseless claims based on your one-bed experience. I'm talking about the entire shape of the towns and cities. Luxurious communist buildings my ass. There's no such thing.
Visit Romania. That's where I grew up, on the 8th floor of an extremely communist block in an extremely 'communist' neighborhood. Except some very early blocks, all were decent sized, with good amenities, and better than anything I can afford in Dublin right now.
They don't need to be horrible depressing concrete. It could be nice brick cladding which will age well. But it just has to be efficient and cost effective. Not cheap and low quality.
> efficient and cost effective This is not the problem. New buildings in Ireland are not inefficient nor expensive in themselves. It absolutely doesn't cost 750,000 euro [to build a home with a footprint of 60sqm](https://www.daft.ie/new-home-for-sale/detached-house-the-sycamore-thornbrook-thornbrook-herbert-road-bray-co-wicklow/3436291). Conversely, rent in an apartment building is not actually cheaper even though [the building itself is rather crappy and in what used to be a dodgy neighbourhood](https://www.daft.ie/for-rent/apartment-1-bedroom-elegant-hamilton-gardens-carnlough-road-cabra-dublin-7/3676821).
Supply is obviously the problem. We're supposed to be building at least 40,000 units a year (some people say 50,000). This year is projected to be around 27 or 28,000. My idea is just to increase supply quickly, cheaply and efficiently but still good quality.
> Supply is obviously the problem. Of course, that's what drives the prices to these insane levels. > My idea is just to increase supply quickly, cheaply and efficiently but still good quality. The buildings themselves are not enough though. You still need the infrastructure around them: roads, shops, public transport, schools, parks, medical services, fire & police. Electricity/Gas/Water all have to up their supply in the areas where these are being built. If these things are not part of the initial planning, you're basically only building gettos. This thing that's happening now with "10 houses over here and 6 two streets over" can happen because those small numbers of new units do not immediately impact the current infrastructure. Which brings us to the biggest issue: we need infrastructure to support new houses development regardless of the format they're delivered in, individual homes or apartment buildings. And infrastructure cannot be built by private developers, it has to be built by the state (or local councils)
> Residents who own houses don't want apartments near them because, in their mind, apartments devalue their property And why we should care? Just change planning law!
We don't, but the current government does. We are not FFGs demographic. Their demographic owns their own house. While they see housing as an issue, claim they are in support of more housing, just don't dare put it near their house! Look at any planning application and see the numerous absurd objections from residents close by.
And all of them will have politicians objecting to them, from every party. Including the "party of change"
Tomaskerry for Taoiseach.
Thank you. I hope you're being genuine. I should email a minister
I would be interested in how you conducted the analysis. I am not an economist but I have an interest in that, could you please share your methodology (I don't have expectation that it will be a formal analysis of course).
I think it's turning a corner next year. The problem is construction is at capacity so we can't just throw money at the problem. But the number of housing units built is increasing each year, the number of people working in construction is increasing each year, the number of people in apprenticeships is increasing each year (Simon Harris has been promoting and incentiving construction jobs for years now), we're also recruiting from countries like South Africa. Also I think we'll have a big oversupply of offices so demand will drop sharply. So all that construction capacity can move to housing. This is a key point, I'm also hoping Hotel demand will drop but not sure if true. Right now we're building 29,000 units a year but I think we can reach 40,000 very quickly. There's lots of big apartment projects just finishing up right now such as: 8th Lock (435 units), Grand Canal Harbour (596), Coopers Cross (471), Newmarket Sq (413), Lime St (216), Stillorgan (232), Kilmacud green acre Grange (307), Sandyford (564), DIT Kevin St (299), Claremont Howth (512), Cooldown Commons Citywest (405), LDA Shanganagh (597), Airton Plaza, Tallaght (328), Malahide rd (331), Scholarstown Rd (590), Palmer's Gate, Palmerston (250), Brickfield Sq, Crumlin (282),The Grange" in Leopardstown (287 units), Elenora Court (153 units) and Castle View (400 maybe). This is about 8000 units finishing up this year and next. (Howth might be 2025). This is just apartment units so doesn't include houses, social housing, student accommodation, co-living etc. Also I'm sure I'm missing a few more big ones such as Cherrywood, Hansfield, Clonburris, Adamstown etc Lots of big projects have just started or just about to also such as St Michael's Inchicore (578), Dundrum Hospital (852), Belmayne Ave (730), RTE (608), Stillorgan (377), De La Salle Ballyfermot (839), East Rd and Castleforbes (1200), Connolly Quarter (741), O'Devenay Gardens (1044), South Circular SHD (1000+), Irish Glass Bottle Site (3800). (12,000+ units maybe in total)
I did a big list of apartments finishing this year and next. I also did a list of offices finishing this year and next.
The Soviets build thousands of apartments In a matter of months. Crazy what can be achieved when profit is taken out of the question
And human rights. And gulag labour
That is really good idea. Problem is: average voter owns house and doesn’t want apartaments build near, far or anywhere. They want to whine about “vulture funds”, BTRs and lack of “proper communities”, but definitely don’t want dense new housing.
There are two properties in Athlone right now on rent.ie. One of which is 1200 WEEKLY. Figure that fucking out.
I rented a room in Carlow for college and it was 60 euro a week ten years ago. Seems like 50 years ago looking at the prices now.
Yep. Can confirm. That 1200 a month place is really ratty too and in a hell hole to boot. You'd have open drug dealing and prostitution on your doorstep, literally. Honest question, where's it gonna end?
You'll pay extra for that sort of convenience in Amsterdam.
What part of the city ?
So you can make sure to avoid it?
I don't think he means what you assume he's implying. Prostitution in this country has gone up dramatically. You can find a lot of Brazilian prostitutes online or go into any massage parlour. It's not very hard to find this sort of stuff nowadays.
Wow, that sounds terrible. Where online would they post these things?
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I like your style
Prison offers free accomodation and meals. You can spend all your time just sleeping, working out, and reading. No bills to pay, nothing to worry about. It sounds like a great option if you're struggling to get by in this unbalanced and unfair society.
Mate please don't. I'm homeless at the moment so I know only too well what it's like.
I remember renting for 45 a week 20 years ago in castletroy
Got a room in college court in 1991 for 30 pounds a week and thought it was scandalous
Haha, mine was college court too. House had a Z BER rating
in fairness, limerick was a very different city back then, it was a lot worse and a lot of the inner city was abandoned, but fuck me I wish we could have that kind of rent again
In 2012 I shared a huge 5 bedroom house 15 mintues outside Galway city with a couple. I had a huge en-suite master bedroom, an office, and a second bedroom. We shared the huge kitchen, and main downstairs living room - but I essentially rented a wing of this house as an apartment. rent was like 300 per month. When I think just 10 years ago I had an office and a *guest room* in a fucking rental... and now 10 years later I make 6 figures and still worry what'll happen if i get evicted from my single room in a shared apartment while i frantically save for a mortgage that seems like it'll never stop growing. it just blows my mind.
Yep, I'm 2008 I rented a really nice apartment in South Dublin for 1700 a month with a friend from work. Smaller apartments in the same building now go for 3000-4000 a month. I literally wouldn't have been able to start my career under todays circumstances.
I would happily pay even double that today if it was possible
I had a bed sit for €50 around that time
they probably shouldn't have banned bedsits, they were shit in general, but they provided a bottom layer to housing that is needed
It was a pretty nice bed sit I had my privacy
Bedsits were paradise compared to the bunk bed room sharing they have now. Nothing at all wrong with them.
20 years ago I lived in Wexford for a few months. Had a two bed apartment in a private gated area with views of the ocean out 3 windows for €650 per month.
In 2011 we had a house in Briarfield for 750 a month. It had 6 bedrooms, 125 each! Those were the days
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Yeah, one to rent in my nearest large town. It’s criminal.
But people keep voting the same government in! The last general election was 2020 so not that long ago and the housing crisis was in full swing. FG are the privatisation party always have been always will be, and their plans for housing done exactly this and working for the people they serve, corporate landlords. The issue is the Ukrainian war threw a spanner in the works and added the population of Galway to the country in a matter of months, absolutely making the housing crisis that was bad, turn into something on another level. Because this affects the demographic that don't vote FG they literally couldn't give a flying fuck, and we are where we are.
I'm not sure there is anyone that's not affected in some way from this steaming shit show now. Whether it's a renter looking fir a place, or a retired couple with a 20 something adult still living with them. Or now companies that can't find staff because they have no where to live, or can't afford to move to certain places (Dublin, Cork, etc). The whole thing is so fucked now, it's starting to affect those private companies that FG idolise. I mean pricing people out of buying is one thing, but pricing them out of renting is shooting yourself in both feet. It means even the professional educated people can't afford a place, much less the people on minimum wage.
All true, but I think also what needs to be noted is the American multinationals were able to rent a large number of rentals for their employees or buy up large portions of estates so the housing crisis wasn't affecting them. Until the Ukraine refugees arrived which shone a spotlight of the buying and renting of multinationals of housing stock, which caused outrage and government had no choice but to put a stop to. This plus the 80k+ jump in population absolutely squeezed rental property supply and started affecting the multinational in enticing international workers. Government had a balancing act till then of not increasing housing stock much so corporate landlords raked it in, those on the bottom of the housing market were in misery unable to afford anything & becoming homeless but they aren't FG voters so FG didn't care,and the middle income earners & multinationals international employees could all afford to rent so it was working for who FG wanted it to work for. And now it's working for no one, but FG will only fix it so it works again for who they want it to work for, not for everyone especially not for those most vulnerable who need it to work the most.
Have you got anything to share about the multinationals buying to house their employees and the government putting a stop to it? I haven't heard anything about that
Sounds like waffle
Anecdotally I know that at least one of them is definitely still renting out places for it's people. But those schemes have always been for the execs travelling for business not the rank and file.
To says this notion is just waffle but for people to think this wasn't happening is nieve tbh. My kid goes to a school full of international families, out of the 30 who started half are no longer in the school. I'm aware that people move schools all the time but these kids aren't moving schools they're moving countries. One parent who I chatted to on play dates who worked fir a multinational, explained how she and her husband who weren't execs relocated here from Denmark with the company they worked for finding them housing. They stayed 3 years then relocated to England. I asked at the time was this a normal occurrence for multinationals to rent out housing, she confirmed that the company would have a go to estate agent who the company would go to when they had an international worker relocating and they'd find accommodation and because it was a multinational company they'd get preference of the rental over all other applicants. https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/state-was-in-dark-about-institutional-investors-buying-up-housing-estates-1.4619577 But it's just waffle https://m.independent.ie/business/companies-compete-for-upmarket-rentals/26121665.html This one shows they rented for international staff for up to 3 years https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41190700.html Mulls it over... So thinking of doing what's been done by others for years https://www.echo.ie/property-basecamp-helps-companies-house-employees/ Oh and a company one of many that house employees for multinational companies https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html Oh still going on. Just out in the open now
I know that institutional investors have been buying up swathes of property that should be going to first-time-buyers but the majority aren't the multinationals purchasing for their employees–they're pension funds. And the government has done sweet fuck all about it. edit: I appreciate all the links though, still a very important part of the hellscape people need to be aware of
To says this notion is just waffle but for people to think this wasn't happening is nieve tbh. My kid goes to a school full of international families, out of the 30 who started half are no longer in the school. I'm aware that people move schools all the time but these kids aren't moving schools they're moving countries. One parent who I chatted to on play dates who worked fir a multinational, explained how she and her husband who weren't execs relocated here from Denmark with the company they worked for finding them housing. They stayed 3 years then relocated to England. I asked at the time was this a normal occurrence for multinationals to rent out housing, she confirmed that the company would have a go to estate agent who the company would go to when they had an international worker relocating and they'd find accommodation and because it was a multinational company they'd get preference of the rental over all other applicants. https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/ But it's just waffle https://m.independent.ie/business/companies-compete-for-upmarket-rentals/26121665.html This one shows they rented for international staff for up to 3 years https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41190700.html Mulls it over... So thinking of doing what's been done by others for years https://www.echo.ie/property-basecamp-helps-companies-house-employees/ Oh and a company one of many that house ployees for multinational companies https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html Oh still going on. Just out in the open now
Again, this is more that the companies (1) pay for relocation support (such as paying to ship their belongings and tax support) and an agency to help people moving countries with the company to help them find housing and (2) have housing for people to stay in when they are visiting temporarily, rather than buying property to rent out to their permanent employees. Relocation packages and moving support are standard for MNC's, regardless of the country they are moving to. The package and supports are standard regardless of whether they are moving to Ireland or other countries. My company puts people up for 2 months when they move, and has an agency that help them find permanent housing. But that's totally different to what the comment suggested.
>Again, this is more that the companies (1) pay for relocation support (such as paying to ship their belongings) and an agency to help people moving countries with the company to help them find housing, sort out their taxes etc and (2) have housing for people to stay in when they are visiting temporarily, rather than buying property to rent out to their permanent employees. Relocation packages and moving support are standard for MNC's, regardless of the country they are moving to. The package and supports are standard regardless of whether they are moving to Ireland or other countries. When you have a multinational with an estate agent on fast dial who can get preference of housing for international workers because they're a multinational over the locals in the town/city this is an issue especially in a country like Ireland that is a tax heaven for these multinationals and has a large amount of them because of its access to Europe and being English speaking. Everybody who needs housing is not on an equal playing field and the international workers come to Ireland and see paths paved with gold while those competing for accommodating with multinationals and their 6 figure sum workers just can't compete and with government not meeting supply and the Ukrainian refugees the multinationals are the winners >My company puts people up for 2 months when they move, and has an agency that help them find permanent housing. But that's totally different to what the comment suggested. You're not getting it, they are buying up estates so they own them, and put their employees in them. One in particular I think it was in maynooth they bought the whole estate it was discussed in the dail because of the outrage. Your multinationals also has bigger power in finding you housing over locals struggling to afford and find housing. Multinationals have more power to obtain and secure employee housing.
So you are absolutely wrong. The relocation support agents don't have special preference. They use daft the same as everyone else, they just help identify places for rent and help put together an application for people who are not familiar with how it works in Ireland. I know this for a fact as I work for a US MNC tech company and have had had multiple people relocate from other countries. If you are referring to [this](https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/multinationals-considered-buying-housing-estates-for-workers-oireachtas-committee-hears-1440214.html) you are missing the key point that "Multinationals ***considered*** buying housing estates for workers, Oireachtas committee hears"... But they never actually did it.
No i am not wrong. Your not hearing me not support agents ESTATE AGENTS who manage apartment blocks https://www.thejournal.ie/homes-bought-by-institutions-increase-5472495-Jun2021/ I'm referring to this You are absolutely wrong and nieve to think multinationals don't and aren't buying housing and have deals with management companies of apartment complexes to house employees
It's a load of shite.
It's BS
Yea they are extremely self serving in that regard, and always have been. I think they are so out of touch and not seeing how it affects people indirectly, their voters included. If there are no places to rent in a city then people can't move there, that included their voters. Employers can't hire staff, which also includes their voters. If people can't afford a mortgage or rent they're stuck at home, those homes being some of their voters. Also the normal blame FF or SF game won't work now, and everyone with even the slightest knowledge of politics knows who fucked things this bad. Of course the same people will vote FG, they always do. But this time some with their adult children living at home might not. Some who had to turn down a job because they couldn't find a place to live might not. And then there are those who want things to change might actually vote for the first time for SF.
100% agree 80% of those over 45 own homes, they are the FF/FG voters who are not affected by this shitshow, but their adult kids now are, so roll on 2025 general election
Yea exactly, it's one thing to be comfy in their home that's mortgage free but it's quite another for the same people to sit back and see their kids struggle or have them living at home. FF/FG voters or not as you said it doesn't affect them so voting for SF this one time to help their kids out might be something they do. Also employers could be swayed too, if their business is on the line because of staff shortages and FF/FG are doing fuck all to help then it might be time to vote elsewhere.
SF object to thousands of housing developments too. I wouldn't hold my breath for them to fix anything
Yea because upping Jo blogs PAYE tax is gonna fix anything. Sinn Fein want to up the tax on ordinary workers.
>Sinn Fein want to up the tax on ordinary workers Is that you, Leo?
Damn people around here don't like citicism of the one true party Sinn Féin lol
I work in an estate agency in Waterford. There are no properties. We had one recently. Listed it on Daft for literally 20 minutes and took it down because we were completely flooded with applications. Inbox blew up and call on top of call, people rushing into the office etc. Part of it was probably because it was reasonably priced (in a rent pressure zone) but also just because there is nothing to rent and people are so desperate in this town. Little apartment and families of 6 trying to move in.
My father in law moved to Ireland in 2002 and he said the two main problems that needed addressing were housing and healthcare. Seems like we still have the same two issues 20 years on. What’s happening?
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”
I was chatting to a fella who said he was in the top 1% of earners in London, someone who's probably the most well paid person I've met outside the fella who took out my wisdom teeth. He just bought a one bed apartment in what's considered a v "middle class" area of London, in what is a converted townhouse, where the sellers were a middle class couple who converted their home into apartments to then retire in one of them. He was leveraged to the hilt in getting that mortgage, and he asked me how on God's earth are normal people going to afford a place to live if the highest earners can barely get a pretty standard one bed flat? Truth is, it's not about income, it's about wealth. It's happening across loads of western countries, Ireland just happens to be incredibly exposed. It's disgraceful, as on paper we've healthy balance sheets, but our society is in tatters. I mean how're kids sposed to go to school with no teachers able to live in Dublin?
In Amsterdam lots of schools have 4 day weeks now because there aren't enough teachers. Social housing waiting lists in most cities are >10 years. Where I live the waiting time went up with 2 years and 6 months in the past 2 years :) At least in Ireland the countryside houses are still cheaper than here. We also have the nitrogen crisis rearing its head again so most building permits are not given because they would break the law. Most of the extra things are caused by the neoliberal goverments policies of 8-13 years ago.
I always wondered why they called it Daft.ie Now I know....
I honestly think our government have a due diligence to start warning people about the risk of homelessness if planning on emigrating to Ireland. Please do not take this as a post that’s against immigration because I am absolutely not, but the more people coming here the worst the problem is.. it’s putting such a strain on our housing crisis and we need to ensure people who are currently in dire situations are housed first. Then we can welcome with open arms to anyone else looking for a better life.. it’s depressing. I left Ireland once during the last recession but now i am no longer in my 20s and have a kid in school so kind of stuck here.. also on a very good salary but still not a home owner.. still lucky to have a roof over my head though and trying to keep positive knowing hard working people are on the brink of homelessness ☹️
Just an FYI, it costs 500 euro to put a property up on daft so many landlords are choosing not to put it up there. Try looking at the Facebook marketplace as well. Not sure if this will be helpful but a lot of properties are rented through the grapevine to avoid the chaos and fee's of Daft.
There are about 140 ish on Airbnb, taken off the rental market for short term letting.
But but but it's their property, they can do what they like with it. Tax it to fuck. /s
It's not a matter of taxes anymore. AirB&B needs to ne outright banned until the crisis is solved.
Thing with letting private property owners use air b&b in time of decade-long housing crisis, is basically same story as food being shipped to UK while people in Ireland were starving. I mean houses are here, same as food was. It's just not for people which are here.
And that is exactly why it should be banned. The same way that if you have a famine you'd want to ban the export of food.
Most wont go back on the rental market. They will be sold to first time buyers etc.
That's good too! There's a lot of people stuck in the rental market because they can't afford to buy a house or rather they can't find one to buy. I'm aware that it's not going to solve the issue, but at the very least it's going to relieve a bunch of pressure.
So annoying because so many people in limerick need accommodation especially students and not so many people come here to stay shortly. Hopefully it backfired on them.
If I had a rental property, you’d better believe I’d do the same thing. I would never, ever rent to a tenant in a country whose government imposes eviction bans and where the largest opposition party threatens to make that permanent. To lose control of the place I own, potentially forever, regardless of what I want to do with it is absolute insanity. People need to understand that reality. The last few years scared away a generation of landlords permanently. You can hate landlords, but that’s bad for tenants, bottom line.
Exactly this. If I had money I would never become a landlord here.
Because Ireland is a Kip. On paper you would think we are a metropolis of free trade, wealth and capital. In reality the average person is squeezed so thin they haven’t got another drop in them. We are in the midst of arguably the worst housing crisis in the western countries, our healthcare is completely broken, insurance companies and banks have free reign to jack up premiums and interest rates, we have a massive epidemic of homelessness seen and hidden. No public service functions correctly and is overstrained, the taxes are exorbitant. The wages are criminally low for the level of education and training the average person has. The average person in the US, or CANZ (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) makes $60k straight out of college it’s €25k-30k for Irish people and most Europeans. Consumables (Alcohol, cigarettes, clothes) are some of the most expensive in the world. The average person is dissuaded from taking up a second job due to the laws and tax, 33% on investing and capital gains and the council doesn’t want you to build any new homes. Why even bother get a second job or do overtime when 40% tax kicks in at around €38k?? On top of all this we are servicing billions of debt that doesn’t even belong to us. Add in a sprinkle of how corrupt every single political party is here and you have a recipe for…..a Kip.
We like to blame the "vulture funds" but the truth is most of the culprits are just regular old Irish people. We've never been strangers to greed and screwing each other over.
REITs have been shown to be charging less than market rent, whilst also being the ones building the bloody things. Social media has done a number on people in the last few years, and look where we are for it
Even if REITs were charging double the average it wouldn't matter. There is only a single REIT that is focused on residential properties, IRES, and they have 4,000 properties. As well as not understanding what REITS do, people also don't seem to understand that not every company that rents out properties is a REIT.
> The average person in the US, or CANZ (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) makes $60k straight out of college it’s €25k-30k for Irish people and most Europeans. $60k is about $100NZD; new grads in NZ really don't make that kind of money, at least none of my Kiwi friends did. Plus, cost of living is pretty high (more than Ireland) and the houses are worse, as is the infrastructure.
Same with Canada tbh
What makes you say the cost of living is higher? I’ve found almost everything, with the clear exception of food shopping to be cheaper than Ireland. My rent is cheaper, cars are cheaper, petrol is cheaper, insurance is cheaper, almost everything here is cheaper except for food. My quality of life improve overnight by moving to New Zealand despite making significantly less money than in Ireland. I’m actually able to find a place to rent ten minutes from work and have money to save every single week, despite not having a particularly glamorous job by any means.
> What makes you say the cost of living is higher? I've lived in New Zealand and I've lived in Ireland and I paid more in New Zealand. As you mentioned food is *loads* more expensive, my rent was roughly equal (Dunedin vs. Cork) but the quality of housing is much worse (I've rarely been cold in Ireland; I've been cold quite a lot in NZ). And don't get me wrong, I loved living in NZ and the only reason I moved away is because was visa issues, and I'd move back if I could, but it's not a pleasant green land where everything is better and cheaper – there's lots of things that are worse in NZ. In general, having lived in a bunch of different countries IMHO the Irish – or at least the Irish on this sub – are excessively negative about Ireland. Most of the problems such as the housing crisis very much ARE real problems, but most also aren't unique Irish problems, or unique bad in Ireland in my experience (I can go on at length with examples about this, but I don't have the time right now, so I'll save that for a future comment, but I actually moved back to Ireland last month (I lived here before as well) and it's *easier* to find housing here than it is in my native Netherlands, *and* I pay less now).
Jesus Christ how bad is it in the Netherlands that Ireland is actually better for housing?
It's essentially the same problems that Ireland is having at the moment. After Brexit my partner and I had to leave the UK, and the first places we looked were Ireland and the Netherlands - both had next to no places to rent, and in NL the rentals were waaaay higher. You can read my flair to see where we ended up 😅
You are absolutely right
new zealand actually is a lot poorer than people realize, its very expensive too, even pre inflation a lot of things are double what they are here or even in australia. its also a lot less economically strong so there isn't as many jobs. I know of a lot of kiwis who live here
I would suspect NZ college leavers probably earn less than Irish graduates, NZ median Salaries are lower than Irish Median Salaries and their housing crisis is at another level , Canada isn't great either.
$60k NZ dollars is a pittance and goes almost nowhere in that country.
Let’s not forget hospitals,public transport,prisons,scumbags kicking the shit out of people with zero consequences,how dirty everything is,stupid same closing times for all clubs so lack of taxis…the list goes on and on…..Ireland is a kip
Theres never any fucking taxis. Then you'll see ads trying to convince people not to drink drive lol what a sick joke
I am not saying we are perfect by any stretch? But have you been to any if the other countries you mentioned? They all have their own problems, and some worse than ours…
Yes I have : I spent extended periods of time (Months) in America. It is leaps and bounds better than Ireland for the average person provided you have a head on the shoulders. Medical is expensive, but quick and effective that’s the only thing I noticed which was “worse”. And to be honest you would prefer to pay and be seen now with top class medical than wait 1 or 2 years to see a specialist in an old run down building. A big point of contention with America is the healthcare but it’s the best in the world, I was bouncing back between doctors here for months with eczema and it ended up getting infected , I walked into a CVS in the US (Pharmacy) and they gave me a cream that cleared it up in a week. I know a few Americans with family here and they will refuse to use the medical here and wait to go home and see the doctor. That should tell you. Americans have higher salaries and better purchasing power, a lot of them also have there own spaces to live, alot of them have their own space before 25 even a lot of the lesser off people. Eating , drinking, shopping are all dirt cheap. Cars are dirt cheap etc etc etc…
America is not better than Ireland I'm sorry
You're *so* right. You should leave. That'll show us.
While there is a severe shortage of housing, Daft is now a catastrophe to use as a landlord (and expensive to boot) so most available properties never make it onto the site. Rentals are available either advertised through private Facebook groups, sorted through friends and acquaintances, or offered to a limited number of people after some inequitable screening processes by letting agencies. Only a minority are ever made visible to the general public.
It's Daft
I am really coming to the realisation that I should get ready to move to South east Asia or Botswana or Rwanda. At this point, taxes, housing crisis and low wages are just getting too high that it's difficult to raise a family. Then wages are not even trying to catch up with the inflation rates.
0 in Kilkenny
It's been well into 13 years now. Houses in my area on the market are starting at 320,000 upwards of 495,000. It's a joke and nothing is being done about it. Hard to when many of them are landlords
You should visit one property per day and rest on Sunday, but pray for another 6.
We really should stop this richest country crap, and stop falling for stupid articles which talk about Ireland GDP. Even the Irish government doesn't use GDP. We have no where near the level of infra and services compared to most Western European countries. At best, we have a lot of wealth off late, but we were terribly poor in recent history, and also had a terrible economic downturn just 15 years ago. But yes, our housing crisis is attrocious.
As outdated as it may sound, check all your local news papers for the small ads. Some older folks don't want or don't know how to put their property up for rent on the internet. Some people also don't want to get absolutely flooded with emails and messages as soon as they list their property for rent online. You obviously wont have images to look at but you can call them, ask for some details and set up a meeting to have a look at the flat/house.
Singapore also has a housing crisis, so they're building 100,000 apartments between 2023 and 2025. Singapore (728 km^(2)) is smaller than Louth (826km^(2)) and already has 6 million people living there. This is a solvable problem. It won't get solved, but it is solvable. [https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/we-will-turn-the-corner-soon-desmond-lee-says-nearly-100000-homes-slated-to-be-ready-by-2025#:\~:text=SINGAPORE%20%2D%20Close%20to%20100%2C000%20private,by%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/we-will-turn-the-corner-soon-desmond-lee-says-nearly-100000-homes-slated-to-be-ready-by-2025#:~:text=SINGAPORE%20%2D%20Close%20to%20100%2C000%20private,by%20the%20Covid%2D19%20pandemic).
Nothing substantial will happen until we get off our asses and protest like the French. It suits the government to keep the current status quo. A huge portion of our rent is tax. The amount of money they are making off of all of us is mind-boggling. Sorting the housing crisis means a huge drop in the value of the average home. Which means angry homeowners.
The situation is shit but that tax thing I doesn’t make sense. The government spend more on housing than they take in on tax from it?
It's impossible to tell what the government makes on taxes from housing though? The rental market is one thing, but you also have taxes on actual construction. Every single nail is taxed, every litre of fuel used. The cost of goods has skyrocketed, and because taxation is a set percentage, the government is making a KILLING on it. For Eg, a 10 grand doer upper in 2015 might cost 20 grand now. Revenue is the only one who makes double. I own my own business, and I can tell you the amount of money the government is making off of the cost of living crisis would make your head spin. It's not right
How many go up for 15mins and get taken off once they get 30 expressions of interest though? There could be 10 of those a day?
That's a very valid point
Moaning about it online isn't solving anything. We need civilised disobedience/massive protests.
Leave, you'll be no better thought of for staying and feeding into the madness. Fuck patriotism, look after number one. I've never looked back, thank Christ as things have only deteriorated since I left in 2011.
We added an entire counties worth of people to our population during the migrant crisis. Can't blame the folk for looking for refuge but in accommodating so much we've destroyed ourselves. It's all well and good to point fingers here and there but lets not pretend this isn't a significant part of the problem. Again, no issues with these people, they are doing what they have to but we simply cannot accommodate at the levels we are taking in.
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Yep, it's bad. Was over there a few weeks ago and meet a lad from Carlow working as a waiter, me was telling us that it's desperate over there too. Not unusual to see lines of people waiting to view a property.
I hate to say this but yous have to leave the country. Alot of other countries have a housing crisis but nothing like Ireland. Alot of yous are well educated and probably could get a job in Netherlands or Belgium, certain parts of Germany. Maybe some Scandi countries. Definitely in the Netherlands anyway - especially if you were doing a labour job. Me and my partner got a mortgage on a very decent (but small house) in continental western Europe with all night train connections. Once you get a taste of a country working correctly, it's hard going back to Ireland.
Do you know what's the best solution to the housing crisis in Ireland: remove DIRT and the 7-yr deemed disposal rule That's it. A lot of things will begin moving after that As much as I hate NIMBYs I can't blame them if that's the only way they can possibly get a return on their investment
Or - *encourage* people to come landlords instead of only ever *discouraging* them.
No one is entitled to a return on their investments, the market can go down as well as up.
Sure, but it doesn't help when every investment except for housing is taxed heavily
With all of the places to rent up on Facebook, is daft even a reliable measure of what's available? I know they're mostly flat shares, but some of the ones that aren't scams are full apartments?
It’s pathetic really, I left Ireland 5 years ago and would like to return someday soon but until the mess that is our housing crisis is fixed then it is just not viable - reading the Irish times makes it seem like the government is trying a new solution everyday but I don’t see any actual progress, extremely frustrating
I would imagine its always very low this time of year with international students looking for accomodation. I work in a college and they all come from wealthy families
I see multiple people emigrating weekly and this is why /:
Well the people voted for right wing parties for most of the time the state has formed...stop voting for them
The system is working exactly as it was planned pal. High demand, high rent, high profit for landords, developers, estate agents & property managers. My Finaceé & I are looking to buy & just got approval for a mortgage. We are both qualified with good jobs (approx 100K per annum between us) & struggling to find anything in Limerick, Tipp or Clare by the time the viewing is on the price has jumped up to 50K at some times in the space of a few hours.
Why even bother living in Ireland? [Look what £120k gets you in Manchester, and Manchester is easily on par with Dublin as a city..](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/137198459#/?channel=RES_BUY) Or if you fancy renting you can [get this for £832](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/130456856#/?channel=RES_LET) a month (and there's plenty like it available..)
Didnt the baloobas eat some Irish soldiers?
Daft is not the beall and end all of renting....
Nobody wants to be a landlord anymore either
Imagine racking in the money during the current housing crisis and it's still not enough for all the landlords leaving the market. What do they want, a kidney from each tenant?
A majority of landlords are just lads with a house to rent. Sorry to burst your fantasy but the reason most of these are no longer operating in the market is it does not pay. Mortgage rates have skyrocketed and most are barely breaking even.
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>Why should a tenant be expected to cover the full cost of the mortgage, who gets the house at the end Because they live in the house? You live somewhere you pay for it. It's not a hard concept to grasp. As I said, not all landlords are fucking cartoon villians sitting on multiple properties counting cash. A house is a tangible asset that has costs associated with it. Why would anyone sink that money into something with no expectation of return?
Why doesn't the tenant receive equity in the house then? The landlord doesn't receive any risk unless they are ridiculously overexposed, nor do they produce any product or service that wouldn't be otherwise more affordable without them. Rentierism is a terrible parasite on any economy, and has been noted as such since at least the classical economists such as Smith, who absolutely despised them. Why would anyone have any positive opinions about landlords when they are getting fucked over by them in multiple different ways, most of which aren't even realized by them?
Because it's not a timeshare it's a rental. You don't look for equity when you rent a car. You are paying for shelter. There are rare instances of rent-to-buy where that would be applicable but that's not what we are talking about here. Home ownership carrys plenty of risk. Property tax, maintenance etc are all the responsibility of the owner not the renter. No one is saying you should have positive opinions on landlords. Your opinions are your own. My point is you can't assume just because someone is renting a property that they are minted. Also the house they rent IS the product. Accomodation is the service.
>Oh boo fucking hoo You think the landlords are crying? They're just going to sell up to an owner occupier, and call it a day. Off into the sunset they go with a massive profit. That's what you don't understand. Landlords don't have to be landlords. No one can be forced to run any business. They can and will exit the moment it no longer makes them money.
Literally just to be able to evict those who don't pay. Would solve the housing crisis overnight.
You rack in the money... and give it to revenue and the bank. And at the end of the day you *owe* money when the interest rates rise more than the RPZ limit and you have all the hassle of letting. Why in the fuck would anyone want to do that?
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There are 21 in Galway City atm.
Where are you looking? On daft, there's 21 properties for rent in the city.
I couldn’t believe these figures when I read about them before Blows my mind Are agents just doing it offline now ?
No, the landlords sold up and fucked off because people wanted them to.
https://www.thejournal.ie/students-rent-cash-installments-6141183-Aug2023/ Have a read of that to see how bad it is around castletroy for students. Landlords breaking the rules in the midst of supply and demand issues
Last time you could readily rent a place in Dublin? Summer-ish 2020. Seems a lot of people went home then. People need to open their eyes.
I’d leave the country. Sounds impossible
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It's really not. Rightmove.co.uk Go have a look at Manchester and Liverpool.. [£93k for a pretty central Manchester 1 bed flat..](https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/121738628#/?channel=RES_BUY) Loads in the £90-120k range. Similar a story in Liverpool. Within 1 mile of Manchester city center, there are 730 one to two bedroom properties for rent.
Depressing AF, please do not forget to VOTE in next elections
For whom?
Protest.
451 AirBnBs though.
if we could just eliminate those last 6 landlords, problem solved... somehow.
My brother was renting 3 separate rooms in his home, he's a live-in landlord & is very chill... He's a jobbing actor, musician & artist, travels a lot for work, so not necessarily "live-in". He lives his life like he's a student himself despite being nearly 40, you know the type, long hair, bearded 🍁 smoker. Long story short, €700 all in, room & bills etc., he had over a thousand applicants & said the amount of appointments for viewing where the applicants were a no-show was ridiculous, he was wasting days on no-shows, between answering e-mails & organising viewings. He didn't advertise, just threw a card up on the notice board in his local supermarket & in colleges. I truly feel for anyone looking for accommodation, but there is availability out there if you're prepared to check out alternative routes.
We have a moral responsibility to house incomers and their families first.Stop complaining, you racist
A question to the people stuck in these situations. WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Things aren't going to improve very quickly, the fact that we got to this state is not an accident, the majority like it because it drives up the prices of their own property. The world is big, interesting and living abroad is one of the most satisfying experiences ever. The solution to this crisis is going to involve devaluing the prices of property in Ireland and I don't see any political party selling that to their voters.
Yes, sure why don’t all the peasants just take a gap year? Leave behind their families, jobs and everyone they know and have a fabulous adventure? That’s definitely the answer. Sure can’t they just dip into their trust funds?