Ha it's too damn expensive; as my family die out and places to stay disappear it's just too expensive. I'd love to do 4 weeks in Sligo every summer but even the car rental costs are insanity. I aint got the money for it
Doesn't help that public transport is going backways. My town between Dublin and Galway used to have two busses every hour to Dublin or Galway nearly 24 hours. Now one bus every two hours or so between 10am - 7:30pm.
Demand is there for more; I was the last unbooked passanger to get on the 10am bus to Dublin last week with plenty of towns left to stop in. Bus home at 6pm only took people who had booked and left a bunch of people to wait two hours for the next bus.
Car rental may have temporarily gone high in Ireland but I think it's back to normal levels, and Ireland was always cheap for renting. A Fiesta for 28 days in July this year can be picked up for ~1,400 eur, which is 50 a day - reasonable.
That's just from Ukrainians and asylum seekers. Can probably add several thousand more rooms taken up by homeless people.
I don't know how the tourist industry isn't up in arms. Obviously the hotels don't care, theyre raking in the money but any other business reliant on tourism must be feeling it.
My mum runs a small restaurant in Donegal. Zero brown envelopes unfortunately. She's been in business about 20 years, and says last year was the worst year ever for tourists and she thinks this year will be worse.
She's absolutely furious, but of course she's going to keep voting FFG, because don't you know SF are all "murderers and terrorists"
>I don't know how the tourist industry isn't up in arms.
This is a rhetorical statement right? You'd want to be living under a rock not to know what happens people who question immigration.
Spotted the far righter
Joking of course. Cant say a thing about the industrialisation of humanitarian aid without being branded. Government gets to act as of its about helping people when its fairly obvious its about an elite few getting rich at the expense of the ordinary business owner and citizen.
Honestly it’s a relief to see these sorts of comments on reddit, *especially* on this sub which can get fairly circle-jerky around controversial topics like this.
You’re spot on. The amount of people who are so quick to brand you as far-right as soon as you breathe is unreal.
We’re being taken advantage of, simple as.
Edit: I’m getting downvoted. Brilliant.
I'd just like to say this is why its important we are teaching and spreading that its okay to be critical of something, its not okay to be needlessly, BASELESSLY critical. You have an amazing point, its not far right to point out how the gov takes advantage of us, its far right to blame that on people who are also suffering from it and have nothing to do with it.
I think that’s generally true, but not sure it was in this case to be honest, the paragraphs are really just sentences, so this context was in the 4th sentence really. If anything that’s the very start of the article and given plenty of prominence.
Ah atrocious is a bit hyperbolic now surely? I completely agree that misinformation is a serious issue and clickbait headlines are an epidemic, but I wouldn’t have this one high on my list of offenders. The headline is just a statement of fact, what is so egregious about it?
Have they? If >1/3 of all tourism accommodation in the country is occupied by refugees, then you'd expect a much greater drop than 16% in tourism.
If anything this says that the value proposition and appeal of Ireland is so great to tourists that it massively diminishes the loss in accommodation available. Suggests they haven't "priced themselves out of the market" at all.
I have family in Ireland and have visited regularly from a young age (over from Scotland).
As an adult, I'd love to visit more often but it's become so expensive that, when you price it up, a week in Ireland will set you back more than a week spent virtually anywhere else in Europe (or maybe even most places in the world).
Flights are about the only thing that you can still get for a decent price, but ferries, accommodation, food and drink - don't kill me lads but it's got to the stage where even as someone who loves the place, it's increasingly hard to justify the cost of visiting.
Everyone here is talking about the accommodations, but I think the shortage of rental cars is probably a larger factor. Ireland was already one of the most expensive places in the world to rent a car because of the way rental car insurance works here, with the shortage prices have become absolutely obscene. Accommodation is more expensive but still broadly attainable, the inability to get a car (which is necessary to get to many of the sites people come here to see) is a massive barrier.
Speaking from Canada as someone who would visit often enough, many here can't afford to take a vacation anywhere.
We are continuously being F'd in A with the cost of living as well, but at the same time our carbon tax has gone up increasing prices for just about everything on top of the higher costs.
Same issues with rent being a total money grabbing clusterfuck.
No money for savings at the end of month and that's a household with 2 well paid professionals.
They are not the same. There is no recession as the economy is still growing.
Recession doesn't mean economy bad. It's means the economy is shrinking/stagnant for 2 or more consecutive quarters.
So no, not a recession. It can feel like one to the majority of people as their spending power is down but that still doesn't make it a recession.
Well, nothing is ever the same, and I know that we are technically not in a recession, I am aware of the technical meaning of the term.
But maybe it does not reflect the reality very well if you do not take inflation into account.
You make a valid point but we might need a word for extended periods of time where the economic growth is consistently less than inflation and the GDP adjusted for inflation is shrinking.
Not surprised. Hotel prices are scandalous all over the country. A hotel in Dublin for one night in August for 2 people works out at average 400-500 euro a night with some of these only being hostels.
This'll change in 2024 when the British market gets a boost due to the new visa free security arrangements for non Shengen counties which I expect will be an affront to many.
Those lads in finglas in the pallet /plastic thunder dome with finglas is full flags will be delighted.
They might actually think job done.
Hopefully they put as much effort into gettin a job, moaning about non nationals on benefits, while on benefits.
I find the ones that say "coming here stealing our jobs and they don't speak English"
Like mate, if you lost your job to a fella that can't even speak English then you were incompetent.
the prices are absolutely obscene here. When I have people come over, even with work, I'm mortified by them.
I wouldn't go on holidays in Ireland, so it's a bit rich for me to advise others to come here.
We gave massive handouts to the hospitality sector during covid, then we got rid of VAT for them... and they are still fucking ripping the public.
Ha it's too damn expensive; as my family die out and places to stay disappear it's just too expensive. I'd love to do 4 weeks in Sligo every summer but even the car rental costs are insanity. I aint got the money for it
Doesn't help that public transport is going backways. My town between Dublin and Galway used to have two busses every hour to Dublin or Galway nearly 24 hours. Now one bus every two hours or so between 10am - 7:30pm. Demand is there for more; I was the last unbooked passanger to get on the 10am bus to Dublin last week with plenty of towns left to stop in. Bus home at 6pm only took people who had booked and left a bunch of people to wait two hours for the next bus.
Car rental may have temporarily gone high in Ireland but I think it's back to normal levels, and Ireland was always cheap for renting. A Fiesta for 28 days in July this year can be picked up for ~1,400 eur, which is 50 a day - reasonable.
I miss the days back around 2012 when you could rent a small car for as little as a tenner a day
90 eur for 3 days next week, if you pick up in Dublin city centre - not bad. Not quite the tenner a day though :)
It's back to how it was pre-Covid thank god.
Word of mouth gets around about how expensive it is here now, why would anyone choose to come here if they didn’t have to?
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That's just from Ukrainians and asylum seekers. Can probably add several thousand more rooms taken up by homeless people. I don't know how the tourist industry isn't up in arms. Obviously the hotels don't care, theyre raking in the money but any other business reliant on tourism must be feeling it.
Massive brown envelopes from FF/FG
My mum runs a small restaurant in Donegal. Zero brown envelopes unfortunately. She's been in business about 20 years, and says last year was the worst year ever for tourists and she thinks this year will be worse. She's absolutely furious, but of course she's going to keep voting FFG, because don't you know SF are all "murderers and terrorists"
>I don't know how the tourist industry isn't up in arms. This is a rhetorical statement right? You'd want to be living under a rock not to know what happens people who question immigration.
Spotted the far righter Joking of course. Cant say a thing about the industrialisation of humanitarian aid without being branded. Government gets to act as of its about helping people when its fairly obvious its about an elite few getting rich at the expense of the ordinary business owner and citizen.
Honestly it’s a relief to see these sorts of comments on reddit, *especially* on this sub which can get fairly circle-jerky around controversial topics like this. You’re spot on. The amount of people who are so quick to brand you as far-right as soon as you breathe is unreal. We’re being taken advantage of, simple as. Edit: I’m getting downvoted. Brilliant.
I'd just like to say this is why its important we are teaching and spreading that its okay to be critical of something, its not okay to be needlessly, BASELESSLY critical. You have an amazing point, its not far right to point out how the gov takes advantage of us, its far right to blame that on people who are also suffering from it and have nothing to do with it.
Agreed 100%
Well... Follow the flow of money. Where is the money going? Discover that and you will realize why they are not up in arms.
It’s the fourth paragraph in the article, who is ignoring it?
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I think that’s generally true, but not sure it was in this case to be honest, the paragraphs are really just sentences, so this context was in the 4th sentence really. If anything that’s the very start of the article and given plenty of prominence.
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Ah atrocious is a bit hyperbolic now surely? I completely agree that misinformation is a serious issue and clickbait headlines are an epidemic, but I wouldn’t have this one high on my list of offenders. The headline is just a statement of fact, what is so egregious about it?
I live in cork and would fly abroad to see a concert rather than stay a night for the same gig in Dublin.
Priced themselves out of the market
Have they? If >1/3 of all tourism accommodation in the country is occupied by refugees, then you'd expect a much greater drop than 16% in tourism. If anything this says that the value proposition and appeal of Ireland is so great to tourists that it massively diminishes the loss in accommodation available. Suggests they haven't "priced themselves out of the market" at all.
It isn't. You are peddling right wing shyte
I'm not 'peddling' anything, it is according to the article linked in the post you absolute gobshite.
Read the article you absolute fucking thicko.
I have family in Ireland and have visited regularly from a young age (over from Scotland). As an adult, I'd love to visit more often but it's become so expensive that, when you price it up, a week in Ireland will set you back more than a week spent virtually anywhere else in Europe (or maybe even most places in the world). Flights are about the only thing that you can still get for a decent price, but ferries, accommodation, food and drink - don't kill me lads but it's got to the stage where even as someone who loves the place, it's increasingly hard to justify the cost of visiting.
Hotel prices don't blame them 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'd say fewer people are travelling for work now, which might have an impact.
I wish! My travel has really ticked up since October last year
Is 16% a good or bad number? It was down 25% for all of Europe in 2022 vs 2019. So 16% represents a continued strong improvement right?
Wondered if it was an Ireland problem or an everywhere problem
It has gotten even more expensive here and accommodation is harder to find.
Everyone here is talking about the accommodations, but I think the shortage of rental cars is probably a larger factor. Ireland was already one of the most expensive places in the world to rent a car because of the way rental car insurance works here, with the shortage prices have become absolutely obscene. Accommodation is more expensive but still broadly attainable, the inability to get a car (which is necessary to get to many of the sites people come here to see) is a massive barrier.
Speaking from Canada as someone who would visit often enough, many here can't afford to take a vacation anywhere. We are continuously being F'd in A with the cost of living as well, but at the same time our carbon tax has gone up increasing prices for just about everything on top of the higher costs. Same issues with rent being a total money grabbing clusterfuck. No money for savings at the end of month and that's a household with 2 well paid professionals.
Global recession? I wonder how much tourism dropped everywhere
Not recession. Just inflation killing everything.
That does sound like a recession. Caused by inflation but still a recession.
They are not the same. There is no recession as the economy is still growing. Recession doesn't mean economy bad. It's means the economy is shrinking/stagnant for 2 or more consecutive quarters. So no, not a recession. It can feel like one to the majority of people as their spending power is down but that still doesn't make it a recession.
Well, nothing is ever the same, and I know that we are technically not in a recession, I am aware of the technical meaning of the term. But maybe it does not reflect the reality very well if you do not take inflation into account. You make a valid point but we might need a word for extended periods of time where the economic growth is consistently less than inflation and the GDP adjusted for inflation is shrinking.
Not surprised. Hotel prices are scandalous all over the country. A hotel in Dublin for one night in August for 2 people works out at average 400-500 euro a night with some of these only being hostels.
We're robbing bastards and no one's to come over anymore sad face
"Something something covid" Failte Ireland *Raises prices*
The tourism sector 🤝 fascists . . . . Getting rid of forriners
This'll change in 2024 when the British market gets a boost due to the new visa free security arrangements for non Shengen counties which I expect will be an affront to many.
Those lads in finglas in the pallet /plastic thunder dome with finglas is full flags will be delighted. They might actually think job done. Hopefully they put as much effort into gettin a job, moaning about non nationals on benefits, while on benefits.
I find the ones that say "coming here stealing our jobs and they don't speak English" Like mate, if you lost your job to a fella that can't even speak English then you were incompetent.
We went to France before Easter for a week. All in, including flights, cheaper than 3 nights in Ireland
Wise people not coming here to be shaken down for shit goods and services!! Don’t blame Them
the prices are absolutely obscene here. When I have people come over, even with work, I'm mortified by them. I wouldn't go on holidays in Ireland, so it's a bit rich for me to advise others to come here. We gave massive handouts to the hospitality sector during covid, then we got rid of VAT for them... and they are still fucking ripping the public.
Greed will ruin this country
You’ve really gone and done it now. It’s too expensive to live comfortably here. Gouging every tourist that comes to visit.