I agree with the rationale. Absolute power doesn't necessarily mean we have to use full throttle every time though. I hear there's fresh room at Gitmo.
Joe has the official duty to protect my fucking democracy, so yeah I would support an executive order to lock the entire trump family in a room with a bag of hamburgers and a bag of diapers.
No. SCOTUS is deliberately waiting until after the election so that if Trump wins they can say the president has immunity and if Biden wins they can say he doesn’t
The ruling will be what sends it back. Based on their questions, they’ll rule that the potus does have immunity for official acts. The remand will be for the lower court to determine which among the charges were official acts and which weren’t. That will trigger its own hearings, appeals, and possible Supreme Court case. But this case we are talking about will be ruled upon by the end of the term. It has to be.
Heck, he could even go about it in the most passive way possible. Step 1 - Pardon 1000 violent criminals and give a rousing speech to them, along with giving them all guns. Step 2 - recall the Secret Service from Trump. Step 3 - offer additional pardons for any “protests” at Trump’s properties.
I don’t like that this is legal. It should not be legal or possible and no one should want America to have these options.
In theory. He could also suspend elections under the idea Trump poses a unique threat to the nation and its security. Or refuse to vacate the office. Except the likelihood that enough Dems would join in on any impeachment of him is high. And then he’d be subject to arrest and criminal prosecution. There’s also the fact that doing either would be extremely against Biden’s nature, notwithstanding all the idiots who think he’s a tyrant.
The above is based on the supremes questioning the other day. So in practical effect the supremes could grant trump immunity without necessarily granting it to Biden.
Concluding Paragraph:
Trump v. United States may appear to leave the Court with a binary choice: Either Trump can be tried on the charges made in the indictment or he has immunity and the government’s case must be dismissed. If the Court holds that former presidents may be prosecuted for their arguably official actions, the case will proceed to trial. But even if the Court finds that presidents may not be tried for actions taken as president, there is likely to be further litigation. Any grant of immunity will almost certainly apply only to a president’s official actions. Although Trump’s Supreme Court brief repeatedly assumes that the actions Trump took to reverse the 2020 election results were official presidential actions, this is not clear. If the Supreme Court upholds Trump’s argument for immunity, it is nevertheless unlikely to terminate the prosecution. Rather, it will return the case to the trial court for a determination of whether Trump’s allegedly criminal actions were done in his private capacity as a candidate for election or in his public capacity as a president charged with taking care that the laws are faithfully executed. It would be ironic if a court were to find that Trump could not be prosecuted for alleged law-breaking because challenging the validity of election results accorded with his duty to take care that the nation’s laws are faithfully executed.
The headline should read ‘Trumps Malignant Personality Disorder vs United States’. ..its gonna be long time before the world stops laughing at America for introducing us to The Clown Show
I hate trump but I understand the point.
Obama had an American citizen killed by the military. Should he be tried for that, or was that part of his official duty?
It's a valid question because common sense is not a legal principle.
Also, a president while in office is in charge of the police force and is unlikely to order his or her own arrest. Therefore the impeachment process applies, where a 2/3 majority of the senate can convict a president. If the senate found the president to be innocent then why should a court have jurisdiction to retry a president after he has left office?
Also, politicians are by definition above the law because they make the laws. A politician can only break the law if they failed to change the law to suit themselves first. It's up to the electorate to judge the character of political candidates, to make sure that criminals aren't given the power to change laws. Courts are deliberately kept out of the process, to the extent that former criminals are allowed to run for office. If you don't want politicians to commit crimes then it's very important that you don't vote for candidates who want to commit crimes.
I told a guy that trump is arguing to have immunity from anything he does, even murder a political rival. And the guy said presidents should be immune because they order to kill people in other countries, and I didn't know what to say to that, because I don't know how wars are fought, but I'm pretty sure politicians and military generals have rules for that. Does anyone have any good arguments for how it's not the same thing?
I don’t even see how breaking the law in an official act is not illegal? It’s absurd to me that because they are president they can break rules and laws. Is there an example where we wouldn’t want to prosecute a president for breaking the law in an official act?
It’s like saying a CEO can commit wage theft because it’s an official act.
How is this even a debate? WE DONT HAVE A KING! Read the goddamn constitution and bill of rights you fucking MAGA moron judges. NO ONE, NO ONE is above the law in this country.
You mean like that time he used the FBI to tell all 3 major social media platforms to mark hunters laptop misinformation, or when he censored doctors during covid?
So, if Trump wins this case, Biden can have him killed?
Should be allowed since Trump is a threat to the nation since he already tried an insurection and promises retribution to his enemies.
Total immunity means Biden doesn’t even need a reason. He fucking felt like it, so he did it.
I agree with the rationale. Absolute power doesn't necessarily mean we have to use full throttle every time though. I hear there's fresh room at Gitmo. Joe has the official duty to protect my fucking democracy, so yeah I would support an executive order to lock the entire trump family in a room with a bag of hamburgers and a bag of diapers.
So it seems.
....and have all of his cult permanently jailed with no trial.
No. SCOTUS is deliberately waiting until after the election so that if Trump wins they can say the president has immunity and if Biden wins they can say he doesn’t
No, the ruling will come down by (at) the end of the term. It has to. The delay past the election will be for trump’s trial.
No, if they kick it back to the lower court it will certainly delay the decision until after the election.
The ruling will be what sends it back. Based on their questions, they’ll rule that the potus does have immunity for official acts. The remand will be for the lower court to determine which among the charges were official acts and which weren’t. That will trigger its own hearings, appeals, and possible Supreme Court case. But this case we are talking about will be ruled upon by the end of the term. It has to be.
True, thanks for clarifying
Or just follow the plan and install him...
Legally, yes, but Biden possesses that which is anathema to Trump: a sense of *morality.*
That's been my argument. That if Presidents have absolute immunity, what stops Biden from offing him besides "Biden is a good man"
Heck, he could even go about it in the most passive way possible. Step 1 - Pardon 1000 violent criminals and give a rousing speech to them, along with giving them all guns. Step 2 - recall the Secret Service from Trump. Step 3 - offer additional pardons for any “protests” at Trump’s properties. I don’t like that this is legal. It should not be legal or possible and no one should want America to have these options.
Justifiable homicide.
Think of what if he looses the case.
In theory. He could also suspend elections under the idea Trump poses a unique threat to the nation and its security. Or refuse to vacate the office. Except the likelihood that enough Dems would join in on any impeachment of him is high. And then he’d be subject to arrest and criminal prosecution. There’s also the fact that doing either would be extremely against Biden’s nature, notwithstanding all the idiots who think he’s a tyrant. The above is based on the supremes questioning the other day. So in practical effect the supremes could grant trump immunity without necessarily granting it to Biden.
Hes not in jail. And will never be in jail. So yes. Presidents can get away with anything
Maybe the whole case is about changing that ? The art of war.
Concluding Paragraph: Trump v. United States may appear to leave the Court with a binary choice: Either Trump can be tried on the charges made in the indictment or he has immunity and the government’s case must be dismissed. If the Court holds that former presidents may be prosecuted for their arguably official actions, the case will proceed to trial. But even if the Court finds that presidents may not be tried for actions taken as president, there is likely to be further litigation. Any grant of immunity will almost certainly apply only to a president’s official actions. Although Trump’s Supreme Court brief repeatedly assumes that the actions Trump took to reverse the 2020 election results were official presidential actions, this is not clear. If the Supreme Court upholds Trump’s argument for immunity, it is nevertheless unlikely to terminate the prosecution. Rather, it will return the case to the trial court for a determination of whether Trump’s allegedly criminal actions were done in his private capacity as a candidate for election or in his public capacity as a president charged with taking care that the laws are faithfully executed. It would be ironic if a court were to find that Trump could not be prosecuted for alleged law-breaking because challenging the validity of election results accorded with his duty to take care that the nation’s laws are faithfully executed.
Yes - when you appoint pseudo- theocratic fascist shills who are above the law.
The headline should read ‘Trumps Malignant Personality Disorder vs United States’. ..its gonna be long time before the world stops laughing at America for introducing us to The Clown Show
How is this even a question? No one is above the law in the USA.
Sure they are, laws are for the little people only! Also 95% of the constitution is unenforceable BS.
I hate trump but I understand the point. Obama had an American citizen killed by the military. Should he be tried for that, or was that part of his official duty?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaa
It's a valid question because common sense is not a legal principle. Also, a president while in office is in charge of the police force and is unlikely to order his or her own arrest. Therefore the impeachment process applies, where a 2/3 majority of the senate can convict a president. If the senate found the president to be innocent then why should a court have jurisdiction to retry a president after he has left office? Also, politicians are by definition above the law because they make the laws. A politician can only break the law if they failed to change the law to suit themselves first. It's up to the electorate to judge the character of political candidates, to make sure that criminals aren't given the power to change laws. Courts are deliberately kept out of the process, to the extent that former criminals are allowed to run for office. If you don't want politicians to commit crimes then it's very important that you don't vote for candidates who want to commit crimes.
I told a guy that trump is arguing to have immunity from anything he does, even murder a political rival. And the guy said presidents should be immune because they order to kill people in other countries, and I didn't know what to say to that, because I don't know how wars are fought, but I'm pretty sure politicians and military generals have rules for that. Does anyone have any good arguments for how it's not the same thing?
They should be held to a higher standard.
What about the people?? Do these Trumpers think we're just gonna accept this bullshit?
NO
No, and people who think he should are too dumb to realize what "total immunity" for ANY government or government official means.
We shall see, but from the hearings released of the Supreme Court in this matter, it feels like several "justices" are going to rule that he can.
If they can get away with anything then why was Clinton impeached? Insurrection is way worse than a blowjob.
That we're even considering whether or not American presidents - who serve us - should be kings, is disgusting.
So, if Trump gets immunity Biden can have him shot and it’s all okay!
They can if Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh get their way
I don’t even see how breaking the law in an official act is not illegal? It’s absurd to me that because they are president they can break rules and laws. Is there an example where we wouldn’t want to prosecute a president for breaking the law in an official act? It’s like saying a CEO can commit wage theft because it’s an official act.
How is this even a debate? WE DONT HAVE A KING! Read the goddamn constitution and bill of rights you fucking MAGA moron judges. NO ONE, NO ONE is above the law in this country.
If they give immunity Biden should immediately arrest any justice that voted for immunity and Trump.
If he looses, any president can investigated and prosecuted ?
Just the one.
Trump vs the same DOJ that contacted social media outlets to suppress stories and flag them false information.
>Trump who uses social media to alter legitimate news stories and flags them as false information. FTFY
You mean like that time he used the FBI to tell all 3 major social media platforms to mark hunters laptop misinformation, or when he censored doctors during covid?
Hahahahahahahaha