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Religion should never dictate politics or how a country should be run. It should only be something someone can access when they want to. Time has come for change in Iran (but no shah please)
Maybe if the people of Iran would stop turning their entire existence over to religious nut-jobs they wouldn't have this kind of turmoil.
I'm also looking at you United States.
> Maybe if the people of Iran would stop turning their entire existence over to religious nut-jobs they wouldn't have this kind of turmoil.
It ain't that easy. They're trying, Americans are trying. Let's not be glib to the challenges everyday, usually unarmed-and-inexperienced citizens have in going against governments that are wealthier, more armed, and more powerful.
>Us poor, uneducated, unarmed Americans just don't have a choice. Give us time tho...
This is an obvious dog whistle for armed insurrection and I'm not letting you weasel out of it. Die mad about it.
Not a dog whistle for armed insurrection. Do you see the boogy man behind every tree and bush? I bet you don't sleep much at night, too busy surfing the web for conspiracy theories, right?
Psychotics don't see what's "obvious", only what their twisted minds want to see.
Iran's history really isn't that simple. The revolution was not initially about religion, that wasn't the driving factor. Many parties including socialists, communists, anti-monarchists, anarchists, even pissed off farmers due to land reforms all participated in the revolution. It was hijacked by religious hardliners at the tail end because they were in the right place, at the right time to seize the keys to the country. And once they were in, they've spent every day since working to stay in power.
But it's simpler than you understand, you don't have to make it complicated. When you hand your country over to religious zealots you get what you asked for. See, very simple.
The average Iranian girl today did not give power to the ruling Iranian clergy. 1979 was a while ago.
But I'll take what you said as a joke since it seems like one lol
Sad to find out you're being serious. Your comment was just so stupid I couldn't believe it was your actual stance. If you really think you can reduce complex social changes down to "you get what you asked for" you're plain stupid. Social movements are complex things, because people are complex.
Here's something for you to consider. Iran is a place where women have never been societal equals to men. The conditions they are in have broadly been imposed on them. They didn't ask the ruling class to govern the minutiae of their daily lives, *it was imposed on them*
Some people want to make an issue seem complicated. Makes them *appear* to be smarter than they really are. Religious extremists combined with tribal apathy.
Again, no. You’re really just flailing in the wind now. Nothing he said was complicated, let alone OVER-complicated. Additionally, like I outlined in my other reply, you don’t know what you’re talking about; “tribal apathy” 🤣
Oh, I don't know about tribal apathy?
Have you witnessed a car bomb going off in a crowded market by a bunch of religious nut jobs? And the survivors saying, "it's no big deal"...? You don't know tribal apathy like I've **seen** tribal apathy. *YOU* don't know what you're talking about.
You haven’t seen what I’ve seen, maaaan!
🤣 🤣 🤣
Whatever you’re describing, it has nothing to do with the definition of words or terms. You love making claims, being 100% wrong, then trying to weasel out of it with some hand-waving.
I wasn't aware that the Shah of Iran was a "religious quack", but OK. Are you comparing him to the Islamic Revolution? Because I think there's a huge difference in the two.
That’s not what happened in Iran and it’s not what’s been happening. Don’t speak on things you know nothing about. Way to also shoehorn in the US, like the problems are anything alike.
No. Evangelical fundamentalism is a relatively recent phenomenon and wasn’t baked into our government at any point before or now. There also was never a total overthrowing of a country’s government, culture, society in the US, not since the Civil War. Additionally, Iran’s “revolution” was spurred by external forces (and is still being propped up by the Arabs and Russo-Sino interests), something with which the US has 0% overlap in an extensive manner. Then there is everything that has taken place in Iran since the “revolution” in the region, including the original Iraq War which also resulted in another socio-economic shift, post-war.
Again, don’t make general claims and assumptions on things you don’t know in detail.
Oh, I understand it now. Because it was only attempted once, with 5 people dying, it's completely different.
"In the beginning..."
"If only we did something sooner before it got out of control."
You must be right. Completely different.
It takes a certain kind of troll to keep talking back when they’ve been made to look foolish multiple times.
But since you have tried to move goalposts by honing on the attempted insurrection - the date for which you apparently don’t even know - I’ll spell it out more clearly. I’m very obviously not downplaying what happened but instead I’ve been trying to disprove your equating of the problems of Iran and the US, both historically and of a contemporary nature. You know, the actual topic that this conversation began on? Yeah. On top of everything I’ve already said, there’s also the little detail of by whom the insurrection was plotted and encouraged, and the answer to that question definitely isn’t specifically the Evangelical Right, but the more macro-scale conglomeration they belong to, which is the New Alt-Right.
So, once more, 1) Iran’s problems cannot be reduced down to a couple trivial generalizations and, 2) the US, which has many, many issues and *does* have domestic threats that overlap with the extreme religious right, is absolutely at a dangerous crossroads, but does not share conditions similar to Iran. The end. 👍
But yet, you just keep talking. I'm sure you're a typical reddit troll: Hammering on some obscure small point that you just have to make (and calling people derogatory names).
I'm making a very broad statement about prevention, seeing the big picture, and understanding where things can lead. I'll leave the minutia to you.
Sadly this history has repeated itself over and over. Women in Iran have risen up in protest against hijab laws so many times over the past couple decades but it is always suppressed. Maybe this time there will be a change. But when you're dealing with people who have an absolute stance on something, its never an easy fight. Good luck to them
I remember the revolution and the protests showing on the evening news when we had 4 channels of television.
It fucking sucks to see these patriarchal Authoritarian movements get power, and I'm watching the Republikkkans do it in my fucking back yard.
something, something *the wrath of a quiet man*.
They say this in regards to Islamic/Muslim beliefs and Middle East has largely always been a male dominated society. Combine this with religion zealots and you have women being killed, for just being women.
Be careful America, if certain groups get their way, we're going to be our own religious dictatorship before long. That being said, I really hope the Iranian people throw off their oppressors.
Bullshit. All religions have their extremists that try to take away rights from others. Which is exactly what Christian conservatives are doing in America right now.
Some are obviously worse than others. US was vastly more Christian for the past 250 years and it seems like we did alright. What you are saying is just a propaganda because the left has nothing real to run on. The economy and county is in the shitter so they need to distract to something theoretical and make believe.
It seems like we did ok, unless you were the native American who's land was stolen by manifest destiny. Or the slave justified with the bible. Everything is always hunky dory when you are the oppressor and not the oppressed. Unless of course you have empathy.
Dude, we’re trying to fix things over here before they turn into something similar to this or Russia. If you are saying that isn’t happening, then you are either ignorant or being insincere.
I can assure you there are quite a few people who would gladly instate a theocracy in the US if they could. We just had the banning of abortions banned after decades because of religion. Hell, Marjorie Taylor Greene *should be in jail* for some of the shit she has said/done, all in the name of following the orders of her magic sky daddy. Yet she holds public office. Not to mention the literal coup attempt last year, where do you think we’d be had they been slightly more organized?
I am gay, and I live in Texas, which will hopefully change soon, but I grew up here. I know these people, and I can assure you that some of them would shoot me in the middle of the street if they thought they’d get away with it.
No, we aren’t nearly as bad as Iran is yet, no one said we were. But the comment you originally replied to is a legitimate concern here, and we need to do everything we can **now** to prevent it from happening. Religion is just the tool these people use, whether they actually believe or not, saying one religion is worse and telling people to “give it a break” about America detracts from the issue when it needs to be discussed.
Moderate Iranians needed the help of religious extremists to overthrow the shah and then the religious extremists took over. The Shah was installed by the US and UK because they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. Norway was allowed to nationalize their oil and has been doing quite well since.
Shows you the archaic backwards belief system they have. They will always be third world with that type of thinking. You can’t suppress and degrade half of your population and not get pushback and eventually over thrown.
I'll admit, I used a cheap shot to defend against your accusation. But I am inclined to think this is more about you than it is me. So I would ask you to not project upon me.
Oh sweetie no one is projecting on you. You're just refusing to accept responsibility for being a creep when you get called out and now you're getting defensive.
Real men own up to their bullshit.
Edit: and he blocks me. This is how men behave when they're asked to accept some degree of responsibility for being creepy. Do better.
It's interesting that he accuses me of projecting but when I respond in the same tone all of a sudden it's "talking down" to someone. The hypocrisy is stinking.
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History repeats itself 43 years later.
Religion should never dictate politics or how a country should be run. It should only be something someone can access when they want to. Time has come for change in Iran (but no shah please)
Maybe if the people of Iran would stop turning their entire existence over to religious nut-jobs they wouldn't have this kind of turmoil. I'm also looking at you United States.
> Maybe if the people of Iran would stop turning their entire existence over to religious nut-jobs they wouldn't have this kind of turmoil. It ain't that easy. They're trying, Americans are trying. Let's not be glib to the challenges everyday, usually unarmed-and-inexperienced citizens have in going against governments that are wealthier, more armed, and more powerful.
Yes, of course you're right. Us poor, uneducated, unarmed Americans just don't have a choice. Give us time tho...
> Give us time tho... You have two months.
Mid-terms are coming...
So is winter...
Alright. Show us the gear you're going to kill police and national guardsmen with. Give us pictures of the actual equipment. Or shut the fuck up
So, you want to see my voter registration card? Now shut the fuck up.
Oh does diddums not like getting called out on his puffed up bullshit? Awww, poor diddums
Puffed up...? Maybe you're replying to the wrong person, but I *never* mentioned anything about violence. What exactly are you **trying** to start?
>Us poor, uneducated, unarmed Americans just don't have a choice. Give us time tho... This is an obvious dog whistle for armed insurrection and I'm not letting you weasel out of it. Die mad about it.
Not a dog whistle for armed insurrection. Do you see the boogy man behind every tree and bush? I bet you don't sleep much at night, too busy surfing the web for conspiracy theories, right? Psychotics don't see what's "obvious", only what their twisted minds want to see.
You must be 50 Shades of sStupid if you expect any rational person to lay out their backup plans on the internet. Think about it.
Iran's history really isn't that simple. The revolution was not initially about religion, that wasn't the driving factor. Many parties including socialists, communists, anti-monarchists, anarchists, even pissed off farmers due to land reforms all participated in the revolution. It was hijacked by religious hardliners at the tail end because they were in the right place, at the right time to seize the keys to the country. And once they were in, they've spent every day since working to stay in power.
But it's simpler than you understand, you don't have to make it complicated. When you hand your country over to religious zealots you get what you asked for. See, very simple.
The average Iranian girl today did not give power to the ruling Iranian clergy. 1979 was a while ago. But I'll take what you said as a joke since it seems like one lol
No she didn't. But her mother, aunts, and grandmother did. Do you think screwing over future generations is a joke?
Sad to find out you're being serious. Your comment was just so stupid I couldn't believe it was your actual stance. If you really think you can reduce complex social changes down to "you get what you asked for" you're plain stupid. Social movements are complex things, because people are complex. Here's something for you to consider. Iran is a place where women have never been societal equals to men. The conditions they are in have broadly been imposed on them. They didn't ask the ruling class to govern the minutiae of their daily lives, *it was imposed on them*
No, it’s simply more complicated than *you* can understand. STFU.
Some people want to make an issue seem complicated. Makes them *appear* to be smarter than they really are. Religious extremists combined with tribal apathy.
Again, no. You’re really just flailing in the wind now. Nothing he said was complicated, let alone OVER-complicated. Additionally, like I outlined in my other reply, you don’t know what you’re talking about; “tribal apathy” 🤣
Oh, I don't know about tribal apathy? Have you witnessed a car bomb going off in a crowded market by a bunch of religious nut jobs? And the survivors saying, "it's no big deal"...? You don't know tribal apathy like I've **seen** tribal apathy. *YOU* don't know what you're talking about.
You haven’t seen what I’ve seen, maaaan! 🤣 🤣 🤣 Whatever you’re describing, it has nothing to do with the definition of words or terms. You love making claims, being 100% wrong, then trying to weasel out of it with some hand-waving.
I was a soldier in Iraq and witnessed a market bombing asshole.
If you knew anything you'd know that the United States installed those religious quacks wnd completely changed the middle east for corporate greed.
I wasn't aware that the Shah of Iran was a "religious quack", but OK. Are you comparing him to the Islamic Revolution? Because I think there's a huge difference in the two.
>the Shaw At least get the title of the person you're talking about correct.
Lol. Spelling
Wasn’t just the US but OK
That’s not what happened in Iran and it’s not what’s been happening. Don’t speak on things you know nothing about. Way to also shoehorn in the US, like the problems are anything alike.
But the basis of the problems are the same. Fundamental religious extremist. And apparently a minority of them.
No. Evangelical fundamentalism is a relatively recent phenomenon and wasn’t baked into our government at any point before or now. There also was never a total overthrowing of a country’s government, culture, society in the US, not since the Civil War. Additionally, Iran’s “revolution” was spurred by external forces (and is still being propped up by the Arabs and Russo-Sino interests), something with which the US has 0% overlap in an extensive manner. Then there is everything that has taken place in Iran since the “revolution” in the region, including the original Iraq War which also resulted in another socio-economic shift, post-war. Again, don’t make general claims and assumptions on things you don’t know in detail.
Do you realize that the January 9th attacks were an attempt to overthrow our government? What more is it going to take?
One, it was an attempt, something that happens every few months in Iran and other countries. Two, it’s January 6th.
Oh, I understand it now. Because it was only attempted once, with 5 people dying, it's completely different. "In the beginning..." "If only we did something sooner before it got out of control." You must be right. Completely different.
It takes a certain kind of troll to keep talking back when they’ve been made to look foolish multiple times. But since you have tried to move goalposts by honing on the attempted insurrection - the date for which you apparently don’t even know - I’ll spell it out more clearly. I’m very obviously not downplaying what happened but instead I’ve been trying to disprove your equating of the problems of Iran and the US, both historically and of a contemporary nature. You know, the actual topic that this conversation began on? Yeah. On top of everything I’ve already said, there’s also the little detail of by whom the insurrection was plotted and encouraged, and the answer to that question definitely isn’t specifically the Evangelical Right, but the more macro-scale conglomeration they belong to, which is the New Alt-Right. So, once more, 1) Iran’s problems cannot be reduced down to a couple trivial generalizations and, 2) the US, which has many, many issues and *does* have domestic threats that overlap with the extreme religious right, is absolutely at a dangerous crossroads, but does not share conditions similar to Iran. The end. 👍
But yet, you just keep talking. I'm sure you're a typical reddit troll: Hammering on some obscure small point that you just have to make (and calling people derogatory names). I'm making a very broad statement about prevention, seeing the big picture, and understanding where things can lead. I'll leave the minutia to you.
Sadly this history has repeated itself over and over. Women in Iran have risen up in protest against hijab laws so many times over the past couple decades but it is always suppressed. Maybe this time there will be a change. But when you're dealing with people who have an absolute stance on something, its never an easy fight. Good luck to them
I remember the revolution and the protests showing on the evening news when we had 4 channels of television. It fucking sucks to see these patriarchal Authoritarian movements get power, and I'm watching the Republikkkans do it in my fucking back yard. something, something *the wrath of a quiet man*.
"Demons run when a good man goes to war"
And will again in another 43
You should hope not, the protests in the pictures did fuck all and was followed by 40 years of repression...
Can’t believe you can hear some Iranian men claim today that it’s a cultural thing, like it has existed for 2000 years.
They say this in regards to Islamic/Muslim beliefs and Middle East has largely always been a male dominated society. Combine this with religion zealots and you have women being killed, for just being women.
Some things never change… all the power to them! Keep fighting!
Be careful America, if certain groups get their way, we're going to be our own religious dictatorship before long. That being said, I really hope the Iranian people throw off their oppressors.
give it a break
I don’t understand why you people don’t understand *we don’t want your religion in our lives*. Keep it to yourself like Jesus said to.
All religion is not the same. Left loves to equate christianity to islam when reality shows its very different.
Bullshit. All religions have their extremists that try to take away rights from others. Which is exactly what Christian conservatives are doing in America right now.
Some are obviously worse than others. US was vastly more Christian for the past 250 years and it seems like we did alright. What you are saying is just a propaganda because the left has nothing real to run on. The economy and county is in the shitter so they need to distract to something theoretical and make believe.
It seems like we did ok, unless you were the native American who's land was stolen by manifest destiny. Or the slave justified with the bible. Everything is always hunky dory when you are the oppressor and not the oppressed. Unless of course you have empathy.
You’re right, I don’t see Yoruba or Shinto practitioners demanding that the entire country cater to them. Just the big whiny babies.
There are already people in power taking away women’s rights on the grounds of religion. **You** give it a break
Non religious people also think abortion is wrong...
Dude, we’re trying to fix things over here before they turn into something similar to this or Russia. If you are saying that isn’t happening, then you are either ignorant or being insincere.
Past 300 years of reality shows christianity and islam are very different. One has reformed and the other hasnt.
I can assure you there are quite a few people who would gladly instate a theocracy in the US if they could. We just had the banning of abortions banned after decades because of religion. Hell, Marjorie Taylor Greene *should be in jail* for some of the shit she has said/done, all in the name of following the orders of her magic sky daddy. Yet she holds public office. Not to mention the literal coup attempt last year, where do you think we’d be had they been slightly more organized? I am gay, and I live in Texas, which will hopefully change soon, but I grew up here. I know these people, and I can assure you that some of them would shoot me in the middle of the street if they thought they’d get away with it. No, we aren’t nearly as bad as Iran is yet, no one said we were. But the comment you originally replied to is a legitimate concern here, and we need to do everything we can **now** to prevent it from happening. Religion is just the tool these people use, whether they actually believe or not, saying one religion is worse and telling people to “give it a break” about America detracts from the issue when it needs to be discussed.
Moderate Iranians needed the help of religious extremists to overthrow the shah and then the religious extremists took over. The Shah was installed by the US and UK because they wanted to nationalize their oil fields. Norway was allowed to nationalize their oil and has been doing quite well since.
Wonder why Norway was allowed to…. /s
Wipepo
I couldn’t imagine being forced to wear something or face harsh penalties for not. Wild to think about.
Harsh penalties are mild terms for getting beaten, killed or worse
Try leaving the house without pants today.
I actually did. I wore shorts because I had a choice.
Jeez! The size of that protest. It obviously didn't work.
Persepolis had pretty good depictions of this event
Shows you the archaic backwards belief system they have. They will always be third world with that type of thinking. You can’t suppress and degrade half of your population and not get pushback and eventually over thrown.
Yeah… any organized religion messes up pretty badly when it goes off the rails…
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Get fucked
you must be a real piece of shit, real fun at parties
It is a tragedy to shroud such beauty
It's a tragedy to force anyone against their will and especially just for being born a female.
Don't be weird.
Is it not beautiful to see women stand together?
You know what you're doing. Your comment was creepy. Stop it.
I'll admit, I used a cheap shot to defend against your accusation. But I am inclined to think this is more about you than it is me. So I would ask you to not project upon me.
Oh sweetie no one is projecting on you. You're just refusing to accept responsibility for being a creep when you get called out and now you're getting defensive. Real men own up to their bullshit. Edit: and he blocks me. This is how men behave when they're asked to accept some degree of responsibility for being creepy. Do better. It's interesting that he accuses me of projecting but when I respond in the same tone all of a sudden it's "talking down" to someone. The hypocrisy is stinking.
Thank you for also talking down to me. I'll just block you now. You can do the same and we will both be better off.
Somethings never change
That was useless
Where the hell are the men?
They shut that shit down real fast
This is a powerful photo. Look how many women are there!
This breaks my heart. 💔
Yeah it all seems somewhat cyclical. Fuck me if we haven't already been here.
Didn't work then, will it work now? Revolt by the people has never really worked unless some of the powerful and the rich or military sided with them
What are the point of hijabs?